Guest guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Survival is the main priority of any animal. All organs, all senses, all mental faculties are tuned to survive. From fruit fly to man, the brain is hardwired to identify any new sensory input as coming from an agency that could be a possible predator, or food source. Regarding a rustling sound vaguely heard, a movement perceived by the corner of the eye, or a faint smell as coming from an inanimate source could be a fatal mistake. So animals are wired to entificate all sensory input as predator or prey. We have carried that compulsion to the intellectual realm. We entificate every mental event. We can't help ourselves. Most of all we feel compelled to entificate our mental processes with an identity. This is socially very useful, but causes us a lot of unnecessary suffering. We could say we cannot end suffering without understanding that identification and entification are only mental tools to survive. Pete is not an entity, it's just a tool. I understand that, yet the tool can not be discarded for good. I can understand there is no one in my brain, I can feel that way when alone, but socially, instinctively, I pick up the tool as I'd get dressed to answer the door. So, its fine to understand and feel that we have no identity, but the moment we have to deal with another, we must pick up the tool of identification and be someone, and treat the other the same way. To expect otherwise is to daydream and confabulate. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:54 PM Survival, Entification, and Identification Survival is the main priority of any animal. All organs, all senses, all mental faculties are tuned to survive. From fruit fly to man, the brain is hardwired to identify any new sensory input as coming from an agency that could be a possible predator, or food source. Regarding a rustling sound vaguely heard, a movement perceived by the corner of the eye, or a faint smell as coming from an inanimate source could be a fatal mistake. So animals are wired to entificate all sensory input as predator or prey. We have carried that compulsion to the intellectual realm. We entificate every mental event. We can't help ourselves. Most of all we feel compelled to entificate our mental processes with an identity. This is socially very useful, but causes us a lot of unnecessary suffering. We could say we cannot end suffering without understanding that identification and entification are only mental tools to survive. Pete is not an entity, it's just a tool. I understand that, yet the tool can not be discarded for good. geo> Up to here agreed. I can understand there is no one in my brain, I can feel that way when alone, but socially, instinctively, I pick up the tool as I'd get dressed to answer the door. geo> Now this depends to what extent this " contraction " into a personality takes place. In one extreme of the pole there is a full blown contraction and one is totaly asleep, reacting as any other human being that believes to be some inner entity. On the other extreme one does not loose sight of the totality of consicousness as one impersonal event and the " personality " one wears on is not allowed to contract into a full blown inner separate entity - as Castaneda calls it " controled folly " . One must experiment with this, try and try...and one may be suprised by the results. You may be looking at a familiar person and feel as if you have never seen him/her before - you are awake. == So, its fine to understand and feel that we have no identity, but the moment we have to deal with another, we must pick up the tool of identification and be someone, and treat the other the same way. To expect otherwise is to daydream and confabulate. Pete geo> You came to a conclusion too soon. It is all based in thoughts and concepts and your own inefficiency in staying awake. Experiment with it, and you will see that there is no such boundary: 58.4% of the times I will stay awake the rest no. There are things in the universe that even pete does not know. :>)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:54 PM > Survival, Entification, and Identification > > > geo> You came to a conclusion too soon. It is all based in thoughts and > concepts and your own inefficiency in staying awake. Experiment with it, and > you will see that there is no such boundary: 58.4% of the times I will stay > awake the rest no. There are things in the universe that even pete does not > know. :>)) > And now, Geo, Tell us what things are in the unuverse which you know about but Pete doesn't. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > cerosoul > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:54 PM > > Survival, Entification, and Identification > > > > > > geo> You came to a conclusion too soon. It is all based in thoughts and > > concepts and your own inefficiency in staying awake. Experiment with it, and > > you will see that there is no such boundary: 58.4% of the times I will stay > > awake the rest no. There are things in the universe that even pete does not > > know. :>)) > > > > > And now, Geo, > > Tell us what things are in the unuverse which you know about but Pete doesn't. > > Werner > Well......I met Pete. And I can tell you.... ....he knows nothing. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > cerosoul > > > Nisargadatta > > > Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:54 PM > > > Survival, Entification, and Identification > > > > > > > > > geo> You came to a conclusion too soon. It is all based in thoughts and > > > concepts and your own inefficiency in staying awake. Experiment with it, and > > > you will see that there is no such boundary: 58.4% of the times I will stay > > > awake the rest no. There are things in the universe that even pete does not > > > know. :>)) > > > > > > > > > And now, Geo, > > > > Tell us what things are in the unuverse which you know about but Pete doesn't. > > > > Werner > > > > > > Well......I met Pete. > And I can tell you.... > ...he knows nothing. > > > > > > > And its damned refreshing to sit with someone who knows nothing. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > And its damned refreshing to sit with someone who knows nothing. > > > > > toombaru I prefer a cold iced tea, but whatever turns ya crank ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Survival is the main priority of any animal. > All organs, all senses, all mental faculties > are tuned to survive. From fruit fly to man, > the brain is hardwired to identify any new > sensory input as coming from an agency that > could be a possible predator, or food source. > > Regarding a rustling sound vaguely heard, > a movement perceived by the corner of the eye, or > a faint smell as coming from an inanimate source > could be a fatal mistake. So animals are wired > to entificate all sensory input as predator or > prey. > > We have carried that compulsion to the intellectual > realm. We entificate every mental event. We can't > help ourselves. Most of all we feel compelled to > entificate our mental processes with an identity. > This is socially very useful, but causes us a > lot of unnecessary suffering. > > We could say we cannot end suffering without > understanding that identification and entification > are only mental tools to survive. > > Pete is not an entity, it's just a tool. I understand > that, yet the tool can not be discarded for good. > > I can understand there is no one in my brain, I can > feel that way when alone, but socially, instinctively, > I pick up the tool as I'd get dressed to answer the > door. > > So, its fine to understand and feel that we have no > identity, but the moment we have to deal with another, > we must pick up the tool of identification and be > someone, and treat the other the same way. > > To expect otherwise is to daydream and confabulate. > > Pete > as long there is " someone " expecting....whatever.....there is this your animal " survival " programm running..... .... do you expect/need " others " to read " you " ?... .... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Survival is the main priority of any animal. > > All organs, all senses, all mental faculties > > are tuned to survive. From fruit fly to man, > > the brain is hardwired to identify any new > > sensory input as coming from an agency that > > could be a possible predator, or food source. > > > > Regarding a rustling sound vaguely heard, > > a movement perceived by the corner of the eye, or > > a faint smell as coming from an inanimate source > > could be a fatal mistake. So animals are wired > > to entificate all sensory input as predator or > > prey. > > > > We have carried that compulsion to the intellectual > > realm. We entificate every mental event. We can't > > help ourselves. Most of all we feel compelled to > > entificate our mental processes with an identity. > > This is socially very useful, but causes us a > > lot of unnecessary suffering. > > > > We could say we cannot end suffering without > > understanding that identification and entification > > are only mental tools to survive. > > > > Pete is not an entity, it's just a tool. I understand > > that, yet the tool can not be discarded for good. > > > > I can understand there is no one in my brain, I can > > feel that way when alone, but socially, instinctively, > > I pick up the tool as I'd get dressed to answer the > > door. > > > > So, its fine to understand and feel that we have no > > identity, but the moment we have to deal with another, > > we must pick up the tool of identification and be > > someone, and treat the other the same way. > > > > To expect otherwise is to daydream and confabulate. > > > > Pete > > > > > as long there is " someone " expecting....whatever.....there is this your animal " survival " programm running..... > > ... > > do you expect/need " others " to read " you " ?... > > ... > > > > > > Marc On a list like this, apparently that is the expectation for many. People tend to tell 'others' what they aren't 'hearing' themselves. It's a situation both of 'conflict' and 'contradiction', until it dissolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Survival is the main priority of any animal. > > > All organs, all senses, all mental faculties > > > are tuned to survive. From fruit fly to man, > > > the brain is hardwired to identify any new > > > sensory input as coming from an agency that > > > could be a possible predator, or food source. > > > > > > Regarding a rustling sound vaguely heard, > > > a movement perceived by the corner of the eye, or > > > a faint smell as coming from an inanimate source > > > could be a fatal mistake. So animals are wired > > > to entificate all sensory input as predator or > > > prey. > > > > > > We have carried that compulsion to the intellectual > > > realm. We entificate every mental event. We can't > > > help ourselves. Most of all we feel compelled to > > > entificate our mental processes with an identity. > > > This is socially very useful, but causes us a > > > lot of unnecessary suffering. > > > > > > We could say we cannot end suffering without > > > understanding that identification and entification > > > are only mental tools to survive. > > > > > > Pete is not an entity, it's just a tool. I understand > > > that, yet the tool can not be discarded for good. > > > > > > I can understand there is no one in my brain, I can > > > feel that way when alone, but socially, instinctively, > > > I pick up the tool as I'd get dressed to answer the > > > door. > > > > > > So, its fine to understand and feel that we have no > > > identity, but the moment we have to deal with another, > > > we must pick up the tool of identification and be > > > someone, and treat the other the same way. > > > > > > To expect otherwise is to daydream and confabulate. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > as long there is " someone " expecting....whatever.....there is this your animal " survival " programm running..... > > > > ... > > > > do you expect/need " others " to read " you " ?... > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > On a list like this, apparently that is the expectation for many. > > People tend to tell 'others' what they aren't 'hearing' themselves. > > It's a situation both of 'conflict' and 'contradiction', until it dissolves. > from a " total understanding " to an " don't understanding anything " ?.... again and again?.... .... i think, Tim, that if you weren't " enlightened " ....you would Do exactly the Same (in here)...everywhere " you " are.... ..... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Survival is the main priority of any animal. > > > > All organs, all senses, all mental faculties > > > > are tuned to survive. From fruit fly to man, > > > > the brain is hardwired to identify any new > > > > sensory input as coming from an agency that > > > > could be a possible predator, or food source. > > > > > > > > Regarding a rustling sound vaguely heard, > > > > a movement perceived by the corner of the eye, or > > > > a faint smell as coming from an inanimate source > > > > could be a fatal mistake. So animals are wired > > > > to entificate all sensory input as predator or > > > > prey. > > > > > > > > We have carried that compulsion to the intellectual > > > > realm. We entificate every mental event. We can't > > > > help ourselves. Most of all we feel compelled to > > > > entificate our mental processes with an identity. > > > > This is socially very useful, but causes us a > > > > lot of unnecessary suffering. > > > > > > > > We could say we cannot end suffering without > > > > understanding that identification and entification > > > > are only mental tools to survive. > > > > > > > > Pete is not an entity, it's just a tool. I understand > > > > that, yet the tool can not be discarded for good. > > > > > > > > I can understand there is no one in my brain, I can > > > > feel that way when alone, but socially, instinctively, > > > > I pick up the tool as I'd get dressed to answer the > > > > door. > > > > > > > > So, its fine to understand and feel that we have no > > > > identity, but the moment we have to deal with another, > > > > we must pick up the tool of identification and be > > > > someone, and treat the other the same way. > > > > > > > > To expect otherwise is to daydream and confabulate. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > as long there is " someone " expecting....whatever.....there is this your animal " survival " programm running..... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > do you expect/need " others " to read " you " ?... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > On a list like this, apparently that is the expectation for many. > > > > People tend to tell 'others' what they aren't 'hearing' themselves. > > > > It's a situation both of 'conflict' and 'contradiction', until it dissolves. > > > > > from a " total understanding " to an " don't understanding > anything " ?.... > > again and again?.... From a " total understanding " to a " don't understand anything " to " don't need to understand anything " . On that third point, the " again and again " dissolves. What arises after that, arises. What occurs, occurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > i think, Tim, that if you weren't " enlightened " ....you would Do > exactly the Same (in here)...everywhere " you " are.... Certainly true... and did, all the time. If there's such a thing like 'enlightenment' here, it wasn't asked for, or wanted... in fact happened after being away from the spiritual lists for five years, and on a collision course with death. Nobody wants it... spiritual seeking is the world's strangest thing. Everybody is seeking what they're avoiding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > do you expect/need " others " to read " you " ?... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc P: Yes. > > > > > > > > >TIM: from a " total understanding " to an " don't understanding > > anything " ?.... > > > > again and again?.... > > From a " total understanding " to a " don't understand anything " to " don't need to understand anything " . > > On that third point, the " again and again " dissolves. > > What arises after that, arises. What occurs, occurs. P: Yes, before you masturbated to had an orgasm, now masturbation just arises again, and again. LOL > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > do you expect/need " others " to read " you " ?... > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > P: Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >TIM: from a " total understanding " to an " don't understanding > > > anything " ?.... > > > > > > again and again?.... > > > > From a " total understanding " to a " don't understand anything " to " don't need to understand anything " . > > > > On that third point, the " again and again " dissolves. > > > > What arises after that, arises. What occurs, occurs. > > P: Yes, before you masturbated to had an orgasm, > now masturbation just arises again, and again. LOL ^^ A perfect example of " self-amusement " :-p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Survival is the main priority of any animal. > > > > > All organs, all senses, all mental faculties > > > > > are tuned to survive. From fruit fly to man, > > > > > the brain is hardwired to identify any new > > > > > sensory input as coming from an agency that > > > > > could be a possible predator, or food source. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding a rustling sound vaguely heard, > > > > > a movement perceived by the corner of the eye, or > > > > > a faint smell as coming from an inanimate source > > > > > could be a fatal mistake. So animals are wired > > > > > to entificate all sensory input as predator or > > > > > prey. > > > > > > > > > > We have carried that compulsion to the intellectual > > > > > realm. We entificate every mental event. We can't > > > > > help ourselves. Most of all we feel compelled to > > > > > entificate our mental processes with an identity. > > > > > This is socially very useful, but causes us a > > > > > lot of unnecessary suffering. > > > > > > > > > > We could say we cannot end suffering without > > > > > understanding that identification and entification > > > > > are only mental tools to survive. > > > > > > > > > > Pete is not an entity, it's just a tool. I understand > > > > > that, yet the tool can not be discarded for good. > > > > > > > > > > I can understand there is no one in my brain, I can > > > > > feel that way when alone, but socially, instinctively, > > > > > I pick up the tool as I'd get dressed to answer the > > > > > door. > > > > > > > > > > So, its fine to understand and feel that we have no > > > > > identity, but the moment we have to deal with another, > > > > > we must pick up the tool of identification and be > > > > > someone, and treat the other the same way. > > > > > > > > > > To expect otherwise is to daydream and confabulate. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as long there is " someone " expecting....whatever.....there is this your animal " survival " programm running..... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > do you expect/need " others " to read " you " ?... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > On a list like this, apparently that is the expectation for many. > > > > > > People tend to tell 'others' what they aren't 'hearing' themselves. > > > > > > It's a situation both of 'conflict' and 'contradiction', until it dissolves. > > > > > > > > > from a " total understanding " to an " don't understanding > > anything " ?.... > > > > again and again?.... > > From a " total understanding " to a " don't understand anything " to " don't need to understand anything " . > > On that third point, the " again and again " dissolves. > > What arises after that, arises. What occurs, occurs. to understand that you don't need to understand anything? .....look like there are indeed some more contradictions to (dis)solve.... Marc Ps: nothing " arises " ....nor " occurs " ......which couldn't be understood with total non-understanding lol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Survival is the main priority of any animal. > > > > > > All organs, all senses, all mental faculties > > > > > > are tuned to survive. From fruit fly to man, > > > > > > the brain is hardwired to identify any new > > > > > > sensory input as coming from an agency that > > > > > > could be a possible predator, or food source. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding a rustling sound vaguely heard, > > > > > > a movement perceived by the corner of the eye, or > > > > > > a faint smell as coming from an inanimate source > > > > > > could be a fatal mistake. So animals are wired > > > > > > to entificate all sensory input as predator or > > > > > > prey. > > > > > > > > > > > > We have carried that compulsion to the intellectual > > > > > > realm. We entificate every mental event. We can't > > > > > > help ourselves. Most of all we feel compelled to > > > > > > entificate our mental processes with an identity. > > > > > > This is socially very useful, but causes us a > > > > > > lot of unnecessary suffering. > > > > > > > > > > > > We could say we cannot end suffering without > > > > > > understanding that identification and entification > > > > > > are only mental tools to survive. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete is not an entity, it's just a tool. I understand > > > > > > that, yet the tool can not be discarded for good. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can understand there is no one in my brain, I can > > > > > > feel that way when alone, but socially, instinctively, > > > > > > I pick up the tool as I'd get dressed to answer the > > > > > > door. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, its fine to understand and feel that we have no > > > > > > identity, but the moment we have to deal with another, > > > > > > we must pick up the tool of identification and be > > > > > > someone, and treat the other the same way. > > > > > > > > > > > > To expect otherwise is to daydream and confabulate. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as long there is " someone " expecting....whatever.....there is this your animal " survival " programm running..... > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > do you expect/need " others " to read " you " ?... > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > On a list like this, apparently that is the expectation for many. > > > > > > > > People tend to tell 'others' what they aren't 'hearing' themselves. > > > > > > > > It's a situation both of 'conflict' and 'contradiction', until it dissolves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > from a " total understanding " to an " don't understanding > > > anything " ?.... > > > > > > again and again?.... > > > > From a " total understanding " to a " don't understand anything " to " don't need to understand anything " . > > > > On that third point, the " again and again " dissolves. > > > > What arises after that, arises. What occurs, occurs. > > > to understand that you don't need to understand anything? > > ....look like there are indeed some more contradictions to (dis)solve.... > > > Marc > > > Ps: nothing " arises " ....nor " occurs " ......which couldn't be understood with total non-understanding > > lol One has wandered far, far away from 'reality'. A flood of awareness rushes in. One had no clue it was possible to wander this far away from 'what actually is'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Survival is the main priority of any animal. > > > > > > > All organs, all senses, all mental faculties > > > > > > > are tuned to survive. From fruit fly to man, > > > > > > > the brain is hardwired to identify any new > > > > > > > sensory input as coming from an agency that > > > > > > > could be a possible predator, or food source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding a rustling sound vaguely heard, > > > > > > > a movement perceived by the corner of the eye, or > > > > > > > a faint smell as coming from an inanimate source > > > > > > > could be a fatal mistake. So animals are wired > > > > > > > to entificate all sensory input as predator or > > > > > > > prey. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have carried that compulsion to the intellectual > > > > > > > realm. We entificate every mental event. We can't > > > > > > > help ourselves. Most of all we feel compelled to > > > > > > > entificate our mental processes with an identity. > > > > > > > This is socially very useful, but causes us a > > > > > > > lot of unnecessary suffering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We could say we cannot end suffering without > > > > > > > understanding that identification and entification > > > > > > > are only mental tools to survive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete is not an entity, it's just a tool. I understand > > > > > > > that, yet the tool can not be discarded for good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can understand there is no one in my brain, I can > > > > > > > feel that way when alone, but socially, instinctively, > > > > > > > I pick up the tool as I'd get dressed to answer the > > > > > > > door. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, its fine to understand and feel that we have no > > > > > > > identity, but the moment we have to deal with another, > > > > > > > we must pick up the tool of identification and be > > > > > > > someone, and treat the other the same way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To expect otherwise is to daydream and confabulate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as long there is " someone " expecting....whatever.....there is this your animal " survival " programm running..... > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > do you expect/need " others " to read " you " ?... > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > On a list like this, apparently that is the expectation for many. > > > > > > > > > > People tend to tell 'others' what they aren't 'hearing' themselves. > > > > > > > > > > It's a situation both of 'conflict' and 'contradiction', until it dissolves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from a " total understanding " to an " don't understanding > > > > anything " ?.... > > > > > > > > again and again?.... > > > > > > From a " total understanding " to a " don't understand anything " to " don't need to understand anything " . > > > > > > On that third point, the " again and again " dissolves. > > > > > > What arises after that, arises. What occurs, occurs. > > > > > > to understand that you don't need to understand anything? > > > > ....look like there are indeed some more contradictions to (dis)solve.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: nothing " arises " ....nor " occurs " ......which couldn't be understood with total non-understanding > > > > lol > > One has wandered far, far away from 'reality'. > > A flood of awareness rushes in. > > One had no clue it was possible to wander this far away from 'what actually is'. > it's impossible to wander far from " reality " for real... some know/understand it some don't Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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