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So often one can read from people who have put there nose a bit into non-dual

literatur that there are no objects.

 

But that is only half truth.

 

What we see as an object in reality is the subject. Why ?

 

It is because consciousness is totally subjective. The brain is assoziating and

comparing sensory input with its memory and then the result is made conscious.

 

There are as many realities as there are people. Everyone sees an object through

subejective eyes and that's why an object never is seen as an objective object

but only as an subjective object.

 

To say that there are no objects is wrong. There are objects but they all are

subjective objects. Each object respresents the subject which is looking at it.

 

Which means > The Object Is The Subject <.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> So often one can read from people who have put there nose a bit into non-dual

literatur that there are no objects.

>

> But that is only half truth.

>

> What we see as an object in reality is the subject. Why ?

>

> It is because consciousness is totally subjective. The brain is assoziating

and comparing sensory input with its memory and then the result is made

conscious.

>

> There are as many realities as there are people. Everyone sees an object

through subejective eyes and that's why an object never is seen as an objective

object but only as an subjective object.

>

> To say that there are no objects is wrong. There are objects but they all are

subjective objects. Each object respresents the subject which is looking at it.

>

> Which means > The Object Is The Subject <.

>

> Werner

 

 

That's right, Werner.

 

You are reading yourself when you read these posts.

 

You are responding to your own subjective impression of you.

 

And the brain you imagine to be doing the reading, isn't doing the reading.

 

It is another object that you've subjectively supplied to yourself.

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > So often one can read from people who have put there nose a bit into

non-dual literatur that there are no objects.

> >

> > But that is only half truth.

> >

> > What we see as an object in reality is the subject. Why ?

> >

> > It is because consciousness is totally subjective. The brain is assoziating

and comparing sensory input with its memory and then the result is made

conscious.

> >

> > There are as many realities as there are people. Everyone sees an object

through subejective eyes and that's why an object never is seen as an objective

object but only as an subjective object.

> >

> > To say that there are no objects is wrong. There are objects but they all

are subjective objects. Each object respresents the subject which is looking at

it.

> >

> > Which means > The Object Is The Subject <.

> >

> > Werner

>

>

> That's right, Werner.

>

> You are reading yourself when you read these posts.

>

> You are responding to your own subjective impression of you.

>

> And the brain you imagine to be doing the reading, isn't doing the reading.

>

> It is another object that you've subjectively supplied to yourself.

>

> - D -

 

BS! Dan is a brain denying that he's a brain.

Worse than a Christian believing Adam is

his oldest ancestor instead of an ape.

 

>

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > So often one can read from people who have put there nose a bit into

non-dual literatur that there are no objects.

> > >

> > > But that is only half truth.

> > >

> > > What we see as an object in reality is the subject. Why ?

> > >

> > > It is because consciousness is totally subjective. The brain is

assoziating and comparing sensory input with its memory and then the result is

made conscious.

> > >

> > > There are as many realities as there are people. Everyone sees an object

through subejective eyes and that's why an object never is seen as an objective

object but only as an subjective object.

> > >

> > > To say that there are no objects is wrong. There are objects but they all

are subjective objects. Each object respresents the subject which is looking at

it.

> > >

> > > Which means > The Object Is The Subject <.

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> >

> > That's right, Werner.

> >

> > You are reading yourself when you read these posts.

> >

> > You are responding to your own subjective impression of you.

> >

> > And the brain you imagine to be doing the reading, isn't doing the reading.

> >

> > It is another object that you've subjectively supplied to yourself.

> >

> > - D -

>

> BS! Dan is a brain denying that he's a brain.

> Worse than a Christian believing Adam is

> his oldest ancestor instead of an ape.

 

 

Pete -

 

One keeps repeating this about oneself like a mantra. Like the Cowardly Lion in

the forest: " I do believe in brains, I do believe in brains, I do, I do. "

 

I guess it shows that one can quote all the Zen stories and poems that one

likes, and still have a pet concept that is key to the sense of reality.

 

Wouldn't want to lose that conceptual anchor now, would one?

 

But meanwhile, keep telling oneself " I am just helping everyone by contradicting

them and bringing uncertainty, just like the Zen masters of antiquity who were

so cool. "

 

Smiles,

 

-- D --

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > So often one can read from people who have put there nose a bit into

non-dual literatur that there are no objects.

> > > >

> > > > But that is only half truth.

> > > >

> > > > What we see as an object in reality is the subject. Why ?

> > > >

> > > > It is because consciousness is totally subjective. The brain is

assoziating and comparing sensory input with its memory and then the result is

made conscious.

> > > >

> > > > There are as many realities as there are people. Everyone sees an object

through subejective eyes and that's why an object never is seen as an objective

object but only as an subjective object.

> > > >

> > > > To say that there are no objects is wrong. There are objects but they

all are subjective objects. Each object respresents the subject which is looking

at it.

> > > >

> > > > Which means > The Object Is The Subject <.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > >

> > >

> > > That's right, Werner.

> > >

> > > You are reading yourself when you read these posts.

> > >

> > > You are responding to your own subjective impression of you.

> > >

> > > And the brain you imagine to be doing the reading, isn't doing the

reading.

> > >

> > > It is another object that you've subjectively supplied to yourself.

> > >

> > > - D -

> >

> > BS! Dan is a brain denying that he's a brain.

> > Worse than a Christian believing Adam is

> > his oldest ancestor instead of an ape.

>

>

> Pete -

>

> One keeps repeating this about oneself like a mantra. Like the Cowardly Lion

in the forest: " I do believe in brains, I do believe in brains, I do, I do. "

>

> I guess it shows that one can quote all the Zen stories and poems that one

likes, and still have a pet concept that is key to the sense of reality.

>

> Wouldn't want to lose that conceptual anchor now, would one?

>

> But meanwhile, keep telling oneself " I am just helping everyone by

contradicting them and bringing uncertainty, just like the Zen masters of

antiquity who were so cool. "

>

> Smiles,

>

> -- D --

>

 

 

yes....

why does the brain of Pete need the brain of all this zen masters....?

 

is his brain not enough clear without the brain of zen masters?...

 

does his ignorant brain need to hide behind the ones of his beloved zen

masters....when he is bubbling his words of no meaning all around the web?....

 

....

 

;)

 

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > So often one can read from people who have put there nose a bit into

non-dual literatur that there are no objects.

> > > >

> > > > But that is only half truth.

> > > >

> > > > What we see as an object in reality is the subject. Why ?

> > > >

> > > > It is because consciousness is totally subjective. The brain is

assoziating and comparing sensory input with its memory and then the result is

made conscious.

> > > >

> > > > There are as many realities as there are people. Everyone sees an object

through subejective eyes and that's why an object never is seen as an objective

object but only as an subjective object.

> > > >

> > > > To say that there are no objects is wrong. There are objects but they

all are subjective objects. Each object respresents the subject which is looking

at it.

> > > >

> > > > Which means > The Object Is The Subject <.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > >

> > >

> > > That's right, Werner.

> > >

> > > You are reading yourself when you read these posts.

> > >

> > > You are responding to your own subjective impression of you.

> > >

> > > And the brain you imagine to be doing the reading, isn't doing the

reading.

> > >

> > > It is another object that you've subjectively supplied to yourself.

> > >

> > > - D -

> >

> > BS! Dan is a brain denying that he's a brain.

> > Worse than a Christian believing Adam is

> > his oldest ancestor instead of an ape.

>

>

> Pete -

>

> One keeps repeating this about oneself like a mantra. Like the Cowardly Lion

in the forest: " I do believe in brains, I do believe in brains, I do, I do. "

>

 

 

 

 

 

Try thinking your way through without your brain.

 

Let us know how that works out for ya.

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > So often one can read from people who have put there nose a bit into

non-dual literatur that there are no objects.

> > > > >

> > > > > But that is only half truth.

> > > > >

> > > > > What we see as an object in reality is the subject. Why ?

> > > > >

> > > > > It is because consciousness is totally subjective. The brain is

assoziating and comparing sensory input with its memory and then the result is

made conscious.

> > > > >

> > > > > There are as many realities as there are people. Everyone sees an

object through subejective eyes and that's why an object never is seen as an

objective object but only as an subjective object.

> > > > >

> > > > > To say that there are no objects is wrong. There are objects but they

all are subjective objects. Each object respresents the subject which is looking

at it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Which means > The Object Is The Subject <.

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > That's right, Werner.

> > > >

> > > > You are reading yourself when you read these posts.

> > > >

> > > > You are responding to your own subjective impression of you.

> > > >

> > > > And the brain you imagine to be doing the reading, isn't doing the

reading.

> > > >

> > > > It is another object that you've subjectively supplied to yourself.

> > > >

> > > > - D -

> > >

> > > BS! Dan is a brain denying that he's a brain.

> > > Worse than a Christian believing Adam is

> > > his oldest ancestor instead of an ape.

> >

> >

> > Pete -

> >

> > One keeps repeating this about oneself like a mantra. Like the Cowardly

Lion in the forest: " I do believe in brains, I do believe in brains, I do, I

do. "

> Try thinking your way through without your brain.

>

> Let us know how that works out for ya.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

 

There isn't anything to think through.

 

 

Although, I guess there is for you, or you wouldn't be advising it.

 

Let us know how that works out for ya.

 

 

- D -

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