Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > indeed, you sound like somebody who need to participate on this great show.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, reminds me of Ed Sullivan, " tonight we've got a really big sheeewww... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good company?.....mmhhh....i don't know, when i think about all this pseudo enlightened people.....wanting to sell more of this their nice books..... > > > > > > > > > > Well, people get into groups to create a culture or subculture. Like when they used to follow the Greatful Dead around on tour. > > > > > > > > > > If " enlightenment " and " nonduality " form a way to make and participate in a subculture, then we need a different word for whatever it is that doesn't depend on culture. > > > > > > > > > > How about " Herbie " ? > > > > > > > > > > Only, now there will be books about Herbie, and people making systems to get to Herbie, and people wanting to get together to talk about Herbie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Herbie " ?...ok > > > > > > > > the connection, relation, common ground, peace, the love, the passion, .....between " nondualists " and all this " scientific people " > > > > ....their common BUSINESS is growing nicely this days..... > > > > > > > > this need another thousands of books....movies....DVDs.....Sites.....Blogs.....Cafeterias.....Ashrams.....and mainly BUYERS of this! > > > > > > > > great business.....in the name of " Herbie " ..... > > > > > > > > " enlightenment " is whole of the mystery which make all this united people follow their business > > > > > > > > in the name of " Herbie " ?....lol > > > > > > > > but ok, why not, .... > > > > > > > > everything is possible.....with or without " Herbie " ....like ever before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Sure. > > > > > > And commerce keeps the engines of the economy moving. If the economy stagnates, people are harmed in various ways (loss of job, inability to feed and clothe children, unable to get health care, etc.). > > > > > > Of course, one can differentiate between types of commerce that require someone to be hurt (e.g., theft, manipulation, cheating, imposing, abusing, demeaning) and types of commerce that don't require any harm (building, growing, dispersing useful goods, feeding, clothing, healing). > > > > > > If people sell books, that doesn't hurt anyone. If the books don't suggest ways to abuse, hurt, steal, kill, etc., then the books simply are providing whatever information is in them to be taken in by the reader. No harm in this. > > > > > > There are many forms of legitimate commerce. All part of the energy flow of the human economy. > > > > > > Money represents energy. > > > > > > The human community is a movement of energy. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > would say, nothing bad about some " peaceful " business.... > > as long one don't expect to change the nature and ground of a dual world > > > > an appearent world is always based on duality.... > > > > no books, inventions, science can ever change such fact > > > > it only can advise (appearent) people to learn about such nature of appearences. > > > > .... > > > > money and/is energy? > > > > yes....in a certain sense....people are driven by " money " ..... > > > > so, money must be an important issue to people....at this times and centuries... > > > > but this doesn't mean that such values will remain for endless times.... > > > > it's kind of " fashion " ....and " passion " .....which easily can be lost......by whatever worldly attitudes and " destiny " > > > > > > Marc > > Yes, duality is duality. > > No need to change duality into something else. > > It is what it is. > > Nonduality isn't outside of, beyond, or opposed to nonduality. > > > > Values are imaginary, and values change. > > Something existing for all time is a human imagining. > > Humans feel insignificant and insecure, so humans construct ideas about something that can exist for all time. > > > Humans want to be remembered, want to be significant, want to put their name on something. Hence, all kinds of grandiose political and religious claims, and all kinds of conflicts and wars. > > > Now, it's corporations. > > Corporate logos are everywhere you look. > > > > The corporation - the new human version of immortality. > > > All human attempts to establish something that will go on and on, that will maintain its significance, must fail. > > > In the failure of such attempts, there is great beauty. > > > -- D -- > non-duality includes duality it doesn't make sense to fight on the worldly battlefield in shouting loudly " non-duality non-duality! " .... a world doesn't work ....and wouldn't be a world....if there were Silence .... instead, it would be heaven .... where there is heaven....there is no world.... .... the world is only an appearent heaven.... .... Marc Ps: Dan, you look concerned about " humans " and " money " and " corporations " and other worldly issues of/about some " values " ...?.... why? 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Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > non-duality includes duality Nonduality doesn't include anything. If it included something, it would be dual. > > it doesn't make sense to fight on the worldly battlefield in shouting loudly " non-duality non-duality! " > There isn't any such thing as non-duality to shout about. > a world doesn't work ....and wouldn't be a world....if there were Silence > The silence that doesn't come into being, never leaves. Regardless of worlds you see or don't see or that are there or aren't there (for you). > > instead, it would be heaven There is no " would be " ... only *is* . > > where there is heaven....there is no world.... Just *is* - nothing to negate or get rid of. > the world is only an appearent heaven.... Appearances can only be deceiving if there is someone there to be deceived by them. > Ps: Dan, you look concerned about " humans " and " money " and " corporations " and other worldly issues of/about some " values " ...?.... > > why? Why does a Dan that you constructed appear to be a certain way to you, to the one who is aware of that Dan-construct? I would say, because you constructed that Dan to look that way to you. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > non-duality includes duality > > > Nonduality doesn't include anything. > > If it included something, it would be dual. > > > > > it doesn't make sense to fight on the worldly battlefield in shouting loudly " non-duality non-duality! " > > > > There isn't any such thing as non-duality to shout about. > > > > a world doesn't work ....and wouldn't be a world....if there were Silence > > > > The silence that doesn't come into being, never leaves. > > Regardless of worlds you see or don't see or that are there or aren't there (for you). > > > > > > instead, it would be heaven > > There is no " would be " ... only *is* . > > > > > where there is heaven....there is no world.... > > Just *is* - nothing to negate or get rid of. > > > > the world is only an appearent heaven.... > > Appearances can only be deceiving if there is someone there to be deceived by them. > > > Ps: Dan, you look concerned about " humans " and " money " and " corporations " and other worldly issues of/about some " values " ...?.... > > > > why? > > Why does a Dan that you constructed appear to be a certain way to you, to the one who is aware of that Dan-construct? > > I would say, because you constructed that Dan to look that way to you. > > > - D - > ok, then... " Dan " construction can leave....and be dissolved.... there is even not a " me " who could care about... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > ok, then... > > " Dan " construction can leave....and be dissolved.... > > there is even not a " me " who could care about... > > > > Marc Before beginning, this is. Smiles to you, too -- - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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