Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Nisargadatta said that even after final understanding devotion of his Guru, Sri Siddharameshwar has not left him and hold him tight. Unknown (or I dont exist) is vijnana, it is ok, final, nothing else, but still there is devotion (or I am He). Maharaj closest disciples, which are not followers, but Gurus, said me, that Maharaj prostrated before picture of his Guru many, many times daily. Ando not only before this picture, but before his codisciples, Nivritinath samadhi and others jnanis... So why to continue in this dry thinking and not just declare awe to Guru, from whom you received knowledge? This conference is focused on Nisargadatta teaching, but I miss real devotee of this Mahatma - dont forget that there is no diference between devotee and Guru ... So why not open widely our heart and restart:) new conference of formless beings sharing love, help and peace Jai Guru Ales ____________ > Od: "toombaru" <lastrain > Komu: Nisargadatta > Datum: 25.09.2009 16:52 > Předmět: Re: NDS, Toomb, Anna & Pete > Nisargadatta , <alesadamek wrote: > > > There is a reason that those who understand don't hang out together. > > toombaru > > ________ > > > Nisargadatta, Ranjit, Kasidheshwar, Bainath and other codisciples of Siddharameshwar and also Gurus (Guru-bhandus) meet together during some celebration in Bombay, Bhagevadi, Patrhi, Inchigiri - just to celebrate Guru purnima, Jayanthi or Punyathithi of thei Master of Master of ther Master. In India it has tradition and nothing unnatural in it. > > So Stefan Wollinsky invited others to celebrate Maharaj and his unique teaching. Stefan is my co-disciple, if this occassion in California would be focused on singing bhajans, listening teaching of my Guru, prostration, puja, aratis, I would also come > > Jai Guru > > Ales > Nisargadatta didn't teach people to band together in a cult following. Followers are followers. If you want this thing......you will have to leave all your teachers behind and strike out into the Great Unknown-Unknowable......alone. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , <alesadamek wrote: > > Nisargadatta said that even after final understanding devotion of > his Guru, Sri Siddharameshwar has not left him and hold him tight. > Unknown (or I dont exist) is vijnana, it is ok, final, nothing > else, but still there is devotion (or I am He). Maharaj closest > disciples, which are not followers, but Gurus, said me, that > Maharaj prostrated before picture of his Guru many, many times > daily. Yes, that was Nis's 'thing'... " to each their own " , as far as that sort of thing goes, I say. > So why to continue in this dry thinking and not just declare awe to > Guru, from whom you received knowledge? One is, of course, free to do so, or not do so. Why recommend to 'others' something or another? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , <alesadamek wrote: > > Nisargadatta said that even after final understanding devotion of his Guru, Sri Siddharameshwar has not left him and hold him tight. Unknown (or I dont exist) is vijnana, it is ok, final, nothing else, but still there is devotion (or I am He). Maharaj closest disciples, which are not followers, but Gurus, said me, that Maharaj prostrated before picture of his Guru many, many times daily. Ando not only before this picture, but before his codisciples, Nivritinath samadhi and others jnanis... > > So why to continue in this dry thinking and not just declare awe to Guru, from whom you received knowledge? > > This conference is focused on Nisargadatta teaching, but I miss real devotee of this Mahatma - dont forget that there is no diference between devotee and Guru ... > > So why not open widely our heart and restart:) > > new conference of formless beings sharing love, help and peace > > Jai Guru > > Ales > Do you try to copy everything that your guru did? Do you smoke cigarettes? Do you sell cigarettes for a living? Do you worship the radio that brings you the Sunday morning sermon? Nisargadatta was the vehicle through which the Ultimate Understanding passed and you are the vessel into which it flowed. If there is no difference between you.......when you adore his picture......you are in love with the image of your self....... If you continue to hold onto any'thing'.....including the love for your guru........you are stuck in the tarpit dream. I would suggest that you can step out of the tracks that your guru left........and explore the edge of Awareness. But the world will never be your own....will never be the pristine ever-emerging-freshness.........looking through the eyes of your guru. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , <alesadamek@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta said that even after final understanding devotion of > > his Guru, Sri Siddharameshwar has not left him and hold him tight. > Unknown (or I dont exist) is vijnana, it is ok, final, nothing > > else, but still there is devotion (or I am He). Maharaj closest > > disciples, which are not followers, but Gurus, said me, that > > Maharaj prostrated before picture of his Guru many, many times > > daily. > > Yes, that was Nis's 'thing'... " to each their own " , as far as that sort of thing goes, I say. > > > So why to continue in this dry thinking and not just declare awe to > Guru, from whom you received knowledge? > > One is, of course, free to do so, or not do so. Why recommend to 'others' something or another? > Each culture has vast meme-complexes that do not translate to other cultures. The East Indian spiritual traditions are alien to the western mind. It is extremely unlikely that the Western mind can grasp the essence of Zen or the subtle nuances of the guru-disciple relationship. When an individual from one culture attempts to copy what is perceived to be a method to attain the spiritual understanding of anther culture......the results are a pantomime of the original intent. Those of us on this side of the pond can follow only so far the traditions of another world view.......after that......we must cut our own path through the mnemonic debris. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , <alesadamek@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta said that even after final understanding devotion of > > > his Guru, Sri Siddharameshwar has not left him and hold him tight. > Unknown (or I dont exist) is vijnana, it is ok, final, nothing > > > else, but still there is devotion (or I am He). Maharaj closest > > > disciples, which are not followers, but Gurus, said me, that > > > Maharaj prostrated before picture of his Guru many, many times > > > daily. > > > > Yes, that was Nis's 'thing'... " to each their own " , as far as that sort of thing goes, I say. > > > > > So why to continue in this dry thinking and not just declare awe to > Guru, from whom you received knowledge? > > > > One is, of course, free to do so, or not do so. Why recommend to 'others' something or another? > > > > > > Each culture has vast meme-complexes that do not translate to other cultures. > > The East Indian spiritual traditions are alien to the western mind. > > It is extremely unlikely that the Western mind can grasp the essence of Zen or the subtle nuances of the guru-disciple relationship. > > When an individual from one culture attempts to copy what is perceived to be a method to attain the spiritual understanding of anther culture......the results are a pantomime of the original intent. > > Those of us on this side of the pond can follow only so far the traditions of another world view.......after that......we must cut our own path through the mnemonic debris. > > > toombaru True, although if one is attracted, there's nothing wrong with it. If it's to show off to others, rather than a feeling of actual devotion, it's foolishness, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 I dont want to recommend to others what to do, I just want to say that i am happy that all is as it is. So thanks to us! We are not separeta, we are One and no goal is there, nothing to change, nothing to reach, nothing to worship --- It is beautiful, is not it? And this is thanks to grace of my Guru, just because of it Jai Guru ____________ > Od: "Tim G." <fewtch > Komu: Nisargadatta > Datum: 25.09.2009 17:50 > Předmět: Re: devotion after realization > Nisargadatta , <alesadamek wrote: > > Nisargadatta said that even after final understanding devotion of > his Guru, Sri Siddharameshwar has not left him and hold him tight. > Unknown (or I dont exist) is vijnana, it is ok, final, nothing > else, but still there is devotion (or I am He). Maharaj closest > disciples, which are not followers, but Gurus, said me, that > Maharaj prostrated before picture of his Guru many, many times > daily. Yes, that was Nis's 'thing'... "to each their own", as far as that sort of thing goes, I say. > So why to continue in this dry thinking and not just declare awe to > Guru, from whom you received knowledge? One is, of course, free to do so, or not do so. Why recommend to 'others' something or another? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , <alesadamek wrote: > > I dont want to recommend to others what to do, I just want to say that i am happy that all is as it is. So thanks to us! We are not separeta, we are One and no goal is there, nothing to change, nothing to reach, nothing to worship --- It is beautiful, is not it? > > And this is thanks to grace of my Guru, just because of it > > Jai Guru Well, good... from here, this feeling toward one's guru is fine... nothing is to be rejected, and what reason to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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