Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 advaitin , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: advaitin , " Nathan Port " <eport924> wrote: > > > Namaste, > > > > Simply put, of course people with desires don't want > enlightenment, > > it is a desireless, mindless, and attributeless state-- inexplicable. > > Many people who claim to be non dual also do not with the pure Nir > > Guna state, they aim for the Sakti/Saguna State of Sat-Cit- Ananada. > > Any trace of modification whether it be Sakti or Mind is not full > > realisation. > > > Greetings, > > I understand that the ego doesn't want enlightenment, but can't it > still be said to be desirable and 'good'? > > You say that sat-chit-ananda is only in the sakti/saguna state, but > Shankara says in viveka-chudamani: " The 'I'-consciousness is now > rooted in the body. Merge this consciousness in the Atman, which is > absolute existence, knowledge, and bliss. " > > Regards, > Nathan Namaste, Sankara taught at different levels depending on the audience, as do all Masters. The achievment of merging the 'I' means there is no small I and only the larger I which is aware of its illusory condition or non happening. On dropping the body the entire creation disappears as never happening....So Moksha is two instantaneous steps..........ONS...Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 U.G.: If we free ourselves from one illusion, we always replace it with another. If we brush aside or drop one belief, we will always replace that belief with another belief. Questioner: Immediately ? U.G.: Immediately. The fact is that we don't want to be free. What is responsible for our problems is the fear of losing what we have and what we know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > U.G.: If we free ourselves from one illusion, we always replace it with another. If we brush aside or drop one belief, we will always replace that belief with another belief. > > Questioner: Immediately ? > > U.G.: Immediately. The fact is that we don't want to be free. What is responsible for our problems is the fear of losing what we have and what we know. > We are not other than what we think we have and what we think we know. If we lose that.......we lose our self. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > U.G.: If we free ourselves from one illusion, we always replace it with another. If we brush aside or drop one belief, we will always replace that belief with another belief. > > > > Questioner: Immediately ? > > > > U.G.: Immediately. The fact is that we don't want to be free. What is responsible for our problems is the fear of losing what we have and what we know. > > > > > > We are not other than what we think we have and what we think we know. > If we lose that.......we lose our self. > > > > > > toombaru > some loose such self....at the end of " life " .... some loose such self before the end of " life " .... ..... some are running whole life long after " peace " .... some just get It.... Marc Ps: some others even aren't running after " peace " .....and try to " hold on " .....in writing one book after the other.... And then, meeting with others of same kind.....sharing exactly the same misery going on within/by themself.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > U.G.: If we free ourselves from one illusion, we always replace it with another. If we brush aside or drop one belief, we will always replace that belief with another belief. > > Questioner: Immediately ? > > U.G.: Immediately. The fact is that we don't want to be free. What is responsible for our problems is the fear of losing what we have and what we know. We are afraid of the actuality of our experience. And that actuality is fear. Thus, we look for " experts " to give us " answers. " We look for a new way to think and talk. We don't want what is, the way it is - without any experts, without any new way to think and talk - just what is. And guess what? This " we " that doesn't want what is -- isn't in " what is " ... It's just what it is. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > U.G.: If we free ourselves from one illusion, we always replace it with another. If we brush aside or drop one belief, we will always replace that belief with another belief. > > Questioner: Immediately ? > > U.G.: Immediately. The fact is that we don't want to be free. What is responsible for our problems is the fear of losing what we have and what we know. We are afraid of the actuality of our experience. And that actuality is fear. Thus, we look for " experts " to give us " answers. " We look for a new way to think and talk. We don't want what is, the way it is - without any experts, without any new way to think and talk - just what is. And guess what? This " we " that doesn't want what is -- isn't in " what is " ... It's just what it is. - D - --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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