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U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the

questioner, is at stake.

 

Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic.

 

U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic thing,

because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious to you:

the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience yourself.

 

Q: Once you dare question it, then what?

 

U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action.

 

Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare?

 

U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the answer for

itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay there. You are

waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When both these areas

prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question? The rejection is

not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of others, but

because they are not valid as far as I am concerned.

 

So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All outside help

is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here at all -- they

are linked together; you really can't separate them.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the

questioner, is at stake.

>

> Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic.

>

> U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic thing,

because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious to you:

the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience yourself.

>

> Q: Once you dare question it, then what?

>

> U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action.

>

> Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare?

>

> U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the answer for

itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay there. You are

waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When both these areas

prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question? The rejection is

not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of others, but

because they are not valid as far as I am concerned.

>

> So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All outside

help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here at all --

they are linked together; you really can't separate them.

>

 

 

Many thanks, Tim,

 

for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing him.

 

Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that UG is a

perfect help to achieve it.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the

questioner, is at stake.

> >

> > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic.

> >

> > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic thing,

because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious to you:

the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience yourself.

> >

> > Q: Once you dare question it, then what?

> >

> > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action.

> >

> > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare?

> >

> > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the answer

for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay there. You

are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When both these

areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question? The rejection

is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of others, but

because they are not valid as far as I am concerned.

> >

> > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All outside

help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here at all --

they are linked together; you really can't separate them.

> >

>

>

> Many thanks, Tim,

>

> for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing him.

>

> Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that UG is a

perfect help to achieve it.

>

> Werner

>

 

 

 

What happens when all the crutches are gone?

 

~A

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Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the

questioner, is at stake.

> >

> > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic.

> >

> > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic thing,

because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious to you:

the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience yourself.

> >

> > Q: Once you dare question it, then what?

> >

> > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action.

> >

> > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare?

> >

> > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the answer

for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay there. You

are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When both these

areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question? The rejection

is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of others, but

because they are not valid as far as I am concerned.

> >

> > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All outside

help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here at all --

they are linked together; you really can't separate them.

> >

>

>

> Many thanks, Tim,

>

> for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing him.

>

> Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that UG is a

perfect help to achieve it.

>

> Werner

>

 

 

 

What can be known about an imaginary entity?

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the

questioner, is at stake.

> > >

> > > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic.

> > >

> > > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic

thing, because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious

to you: the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience

yourself.

> > >

> > > Q: Once you dare question it, then what?

> > >

> > > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action.

> > >

> > > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare?

> > >

> > > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the answer

for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay there. You

are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When both these

areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question? The rejection

is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of others, but

because they are not valid as far as I am concerned.

> > >

> > > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All outside

help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here at all --

they are linked together; you really can't separate them.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Many thanks, Tim,

> >

> > for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing him.

> >

> > Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that UG is

a perfect help to achieve it.

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

>

>

> What happens when all the crutches are gone?

>

> ~A

>

 

 

 

 

One is released from the concentration camp.

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the

questioner, is at stake.

> > >

> > > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic.

> > >

> > > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic

thing, because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious

to you: the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience

yourself.

> > >

> > > Q: Once you dare question it, then what?

> > >

> > > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action.

> > >

> > > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare?

> > >

> > > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the answer

for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay there. You

are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When both these

areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question? The rejection

is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of others, but

because they are not valid as far as I am concerned.

> > >

> > > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All outside

help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here at all --

they are linked together; you really can't separate them.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Many thanks, Tim,

> >

> > for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing him.

> >

> > Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that UG is

a perfect help to achieve it.

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

>

>

> What happens when all the crutches are gone?

>

> ~A

>

 

 

Throw them away and you will know.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the

questioner, is at stake.

> > >

> > > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic.

> > >

> > > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic

thing, because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious

to you: the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience

yourself.

> > >

> > > Q: Once you dare question it, then what?

> > >

> > > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action.

> > >

> > > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare?

> > >

> > > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the answer

for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay there. You

are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When both these

areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question? The rejection

is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of others, but

because they are not valid as far as I am concerned.

> > >

> > > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All outside

help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here at all --

they are linked together; you really can't separate them.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Many thanks, Tim,

> >

> > for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing him.

> >

> > Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that UG is

a perfect help to achieve it.

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

>

>

> What can be known about an imaginary entity?

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

 

Just think of Mickey Mouse and you will know.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the

questioner, is at stake.

> > > >

> > > > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic.

> > > >

> > > > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic

thing, because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious

to you: the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience

yourself.

> > > >

> > > > Q: Once you dare question it, then what?

> > > >

> > > > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action.

> > > >

> > > > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare?

> > > >

> > > > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the

answer for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay

there. You are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When

both these areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question?

The rejection is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of

others, but because they are not valid as far as I am concerned.

> > > >

> > > > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All

outside help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here

at all -- they are linked together; you really can't separate them.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Many thanks, Tim,

> > >

> > > for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing him.

> > >

> > > Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that UG

is a perfect help to achieve it.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > What happens when all the crutches are gone?

> >

> > ~A

> >

>

>

> Throw them away and you will know.

>

> Werner

>

 

 

The answer is *nothing*. Does that coincide with what you know,

Werner?

 

~A

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning,

the questioner, is at stake.

> > > > >

> > > > > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic.

> > > > >

> > > > > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic

thing, because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious

to you: the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience

yourself.

> > > > >

> > > > > Q: Once you dare question it, then what?

> > > > >

> > > > > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the

action.

> > > > >

> > > > > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare?

> > > > >

> > > > > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the

answer for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay

there. You are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When

both these areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question?

The rejection is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of

others, but because they are not valid as far as I am concerned.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All

outside help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here

at all -- they are linked together; you really can't separate them.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks, Tim,

> > > >

> > > > for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing

him.

> > > >

> > > > Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that

UG is a perfect help to achieve it.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > What happens when all the crutches are gone?

> > >

> > > ~A

> > >

> >

> >

> > Throw them away and you will know.

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

>

> The answer is *nothing*. Does that coincide with what you know,

> Werner?

>

> ~A

>

 

 

No, it doesn't, Anna. There always has happened something.

 

Seems you never threw away crutches.

 

What about starting with throwing away your fancy God you believe in ?

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning,

the questioner, is at stake.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic

thing, because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious

to you: the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience

yourself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Q: Once you dare question it, then what?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the

action.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the

answer for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay

there. You are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When

both these areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question?

The rejection is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of

others, but because they are not valid as far as I am concerned.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All

outside help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here

at all -- they are linked together; you really can't separate them.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Many thanks, Tim,

> > > > >

> > > > > for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing

him.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that

UG is a perfect help to achieve it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What happens when all the crutches are gone?

> > > >

> > > > ~A

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Throw them away and you will know.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> >

> >

> > The answer is *nothing*. Does that coincide with what you know,

> > Werner?

> >

> > ~A

> >

>

>

> No, it doesn't, Anna. There always has happened something.

>

> Seems you never threw away crutches.

>

> What about starting with throwing away your fancy God you believe in ?

>

> Werner

>

 

 

Let me be more explicit Werner: I am sitting here typing this note.

63 years of life *happened*. And now I'm finished with this note

and am pressing send.

 

 

~Anna

 

p.s. You didn't even get my drift. Must be the language barrier. Read it

again.

 

Nor do I need to throw away or keep anything on *your* say-so, thank you very

much.

 

 

 

~A

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is

questioning, the questioner, is at stake.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that

basic thing, because that is going to destroy something there which is very

precious to you: the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you

experience yourself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Q: Once you dare question it, then what?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the

action.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out

the answer for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay

there. You are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When

both these areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question?

The rejection is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of

others, but because they are not valid as far as I am concerned.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All

outside help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here

at all -- they are linked together; you really can't separate them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many thanks, Tim,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing

him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think

that UG is a perfect help to achieve it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Werner

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > What happens when all the crutches are gone?

> > > > >

> > > > > ~A

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Throw them away and you will know.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The answer is *nothing*. Does that coincide with what you know,

> > > Werner?

> > >

> > > ~A

> > >

> >

> >

> > No, it doesn't, Anna. There always has happened something.

> >

> > Seems you never threw away crutches.

> >

> > What about starting with throwing away your fancy God you believe in ?

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

>

 

 

 

 

So......a cluster of memories can selectively remove some of themselves to

improve its imagined condition?

 

 

I never knew that.

 

 

:-0

 

 

 

toombaru

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