Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the questioner, is at stake. Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic. U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic thing, because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious to you: the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience yourself. Q: Once you dare question it, then what? U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action. Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare? U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the answer for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay there. You are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When both these areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question? The rejection is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of others, but because they are not valid as far as I am concerned. So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All outside help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here at all -- they are linked together; you really can't separate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the questioner, is at stake. > > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic. > > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic thing, because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious to you: the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience yourself. > > Q: Once you dare question it, then what? > > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action. > > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare? > > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the answer for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay there. You are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When both these areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question? The rejection is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of others, but because they are not valid as far as I am concerned. > > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All outside help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here at all -- they are linked together; you really can't separate them. > Many thanks, Tim, for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing him. Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that UG is a perfect help to achieve it. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the questioner, is at stake. > > > > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic. > > > > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic thing, because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious to you: the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience yourself. > > > > Q: Once you dare question it, then what? > > > > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action. > > > > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare? > > > > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the answer for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay there. You are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When both these areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question? The rejection is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of others, but because they are not valid as far as I am concerned. > > > > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All outside help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here at all -- they are linked together; you really can't separate them. > > > > > Many thanks, Tim, > > for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing him. > > Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that UG is a perfect help to achieve it. > > Werner > What happens when all the crutches are gone? ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the questioner, is at stake. > > > > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic. > > > > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic thing, because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious to you: the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience yourself. > > > > Q: Once you dare question it, then what? > > > > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action. > > > > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare? > > > > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the answer for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay there. You are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When both these areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question? The rejection is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of others, but because they are not valid as far as I am concerned. > > > > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All outside help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here at all -- they are linked together; you really can't separate them. > > > > > Many thanks, Tim, > > for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing him. > > Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that UG is a perfect help to achieve it. > > Werner > What can be known about an imaginary entity? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the questioner, is at stake. > > > > > > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic. > > > > > > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic thing, because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious to you: the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience yourself. > > > > > > Q: Once you dare question it, then what? > > > > > > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action. > > > > > > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare? > > > > > > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the answer for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay there. You are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When both these areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question? The rejection is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of others, but because they are not valid as far as I am concerned. > > > > > > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All outside help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here at all -- they are linked together; you really can't separate them. > > > > > > > > > Many thanks, Tim, > > > > for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing him. > > > > Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that UG is a perfect help to achieve it. > > > > Werner > > > > > > What happens when all the crutches are gone? > > ~A > One is released from the concentration camp. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the questioner, is at stake. > > > > > > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic. > > > > > > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic thing, because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious to you: the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience yourself. > > > > > > Q: Once you dare question it, then what? > > > > > > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action. > > > > > > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare? > > > > > > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the answer for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay there. You are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When both these areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question? The rejection is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of others, but because they are not valid as far as I am concerned. > > > > > > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All outside help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here at all -- they are linked together; you really can't separate them. > > > > > > > > > Many thanks, Tim, > > > > for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing him. > > > > Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that UG is a perfect help to achieve it. > > > > Werner > > > > > > What happens when all the crutches are gone? > > ~A > Throw them away and you will know. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the questioner, is at stake. > > > > > > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic. > > > > > > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic thing, because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious to you: the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience yourself. > > > > > > Q: Once you dare question it, then what? > > > > > > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action. > > > > > > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare? > > > > > > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the answer for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay there. You are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When both these areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question? The rejection is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of others, but because they are not valid as far as I am concerned. > > > > > > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All outside help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here at all -- they are linked together; you really can't separate them. > > > > > > > > > Many thanks, Tim, > > > > for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing him. > > > > Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that UG is a perfect help to achieve it. > > > > Werner > > > > > > What can be known about an imaginary entity? > > > > > toombaru > Just think of Mickey Mouse and you will know. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the questioner, is at stake. > > > > > > > > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic. > > > > > > > > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic thing, because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious to you: the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience yourself. > > > > > > > > Q: Once you dare question it, then what? > > > > > > > > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action. > > > > > > > > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare? > > > > > > > > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the answer for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay there. You are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When both these areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question? The rejection is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of others, but because they are not valid as far as I am concerned. > > > > > > > > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All outside help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here at all -- they are linked together; you really can't separate them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks, Tim, > > > > > > for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing him. > > > > > > Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that UG is a perfect help to achieve it. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > What happens when all the crutches are gone? > > > > ~A > > > > > Throw them away and you will know. > > Werner > The answer is *nothing*. Does that coincide with what you know, Werner? ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the questioner, is at stake. > > > > > > > > > > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic. > > > > > > > > > > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic thing, because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious to you: the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience yourself. > > > > > > > > > > Q: Once you dare question it, then what? > > > > > > > > > > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action. > > > > > > > > > > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare? > > > > > > > > > > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the answer for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay there. You are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When both these areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question? The rejection is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of others, but because they are not valid as far as I am concerned. > > > > > > > > > > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All outside help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here at all -- they are linked together; you really can't separate them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks, Tim, > > > > > > > > for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing him. > > > > > > > > Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that UG is a perfect help to achieve it. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What happens when all the crutches are gone? > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > Throw them away and you will know. > > > > Werner > > > > > The answer is *nothing*. Does that coincide with what you know, > Werner? > > ~A > No, it doesn't, Anna. There always has happened something. Seems you never threw away crutches. What about starting with throwing away your fancy God you believe in ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the questioner, is at stake. > > > > > > > > > > > > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic. > > > > > > > > > > > > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic thing, because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious to you: the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Once you dare question it, then what? > > > > > > > > > > > > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action. > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare? > > > > > > > > > > > > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the answer for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay there. You are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When both these areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question? The rejection is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of others, but because they are not valid as far as I am concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All outside help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here at all -- they are linked together; you really can't separate them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks, Tim, > > > > > > > > > > for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing him. > > > > > > > > > > Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that UG is a perfect help to achieve it. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What happens when all the crutches are gone? > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > Throw them away and you will know. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > The answer is *nothing*. Does that coincide with what you know, > > Werner? > > > > ~A > > > > > No, it doesn't, Anna. There always has happened something. > > Seems you never threw away crutches. > > What about starting with throwing away your fancy God you believe in ? > > Werner > Let me be more explicit Werner: I am sitting here typing this note. 63 years of life *happened*. And now I'm finished with this note and am pressing send. ~Anna p.s. You didn't even get my drift. Must be the language barrier. Read it again. Nor do I need to throw away or keep anything on *your* say-so, thank you very much. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U.G.: You see, the existence of the very thing that is questioning, the questioner, is at stake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Questioner: Yes, exactly, that produces a lot of panic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U.G.: You see, that is the trouble: you dare not question that basic thing, because that is going to destroy something there which is very precious to you: the continuity of yourself as you know yourself and as you experience yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Once you dare question it, then what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U.G.: " Then what? " is absent. Then it begins to act. That is the action. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: I very much want to dare. Is there a way to dare? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U.G.: The question itself has the inherent capacity to find out the answer for itself. You see, if there is no answer, the question can't stay there. You are waiting for an answer either from outside or from inside. When both these areas prove to be of no use at all, what happens to that question? The rejection is not because I don't agree with the statements or experiences of others, but because they are not valid as far as I am concerned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, it may be true, but it is not valid, so I reject them all. All outside help is finished for me. When that goes, there is no helplessness here at all -- they are linked together; you really can't separate them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks, Tim, > > > > > > > > > > > > for your UG quotes. It would be great if you could go on with citing him. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nis himself stressed the importance of self-knowledge and I think that UG is a perfect help to achieve it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What happens when all the crutches are gone? > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Throw them away and you will know. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > The answer is *nothing*. Does that coincide with what you know, > > > Werner? > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't, Anna. There always has happened something. > > > > Seems you never threw away crutches. > > > > What about starting with throwing away your fancy God you believe in ? > > > > Werner > > > > So......a cluster of memories can selectively remove some of themselves to improve its imagined condition? I never knew that. :-0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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