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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " .

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> This explains why I babble so much ;-).

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Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to

speak......or not speak.

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " .

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> > This explains why I babble so much ;-).

> >

Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to

speak......or not speak.

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> toombaru

 

There is no external agency commanding anyone to speak.

 

Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote:

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> > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " .

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> > > This explains why I babble so much ;-).

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speak......or not speak.

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> > toombaru

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> There is no external agency commanding anyone to speak.

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> Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so.

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" All-that-is " implies no agency.

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote:

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> > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " .

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> > There is no external agency commanding anyone to speak.

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> > Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so.

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> " All-that-is " implies no agency.

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> toombaru

 

" All-that-is " strikes me as the same thing as 'God', or 'the Absolute'.

 

It's all a game of language and concept.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> > > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " .

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> > > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to

speak......or not speak.

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> > > There is no external agency commanding anyone to speak.

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> > " All-that-is " implies no agency.

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> " All-that-is " strikes me as the same thing as 'God', or 'the Absolute'.

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> It's all a game of language and concept.

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All-that-is is simply all that is.

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " .

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> > > > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-).

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> > > > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to

speak......or not speak.

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> > > > There is no external agency commanding anyone to speak.

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> > > > Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so.

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> > > " All-that-is " implies no agency.

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> > " All-that-is " strikes me as the same thing as 'God', or 'the Absolute'.

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> > It's all a game of language and concept.

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> All-that-is is simply all that is.

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> toombaru

 

Mmkay, so describe it. What is this " all-that-is " object?

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote:

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> > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > > > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " .

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> > > > > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-).

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> > > > > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to

speak......or not speak.

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> > > > > > toombaru

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> > > > > There is no external agency commanding anyone to speak.

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> > > > > Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so.

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> > > > " All-that-is " implies no agency.

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> > > > toombaru

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> > > " All-that-is " strikes me as the same thing as 'God', or 'the Absolute'.

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> > > It's all a game of language and concept.

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> > All-that-is is simply all that is.

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> > toombaru

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> Mmkay, so describe it. What is this " all-that-is " object?

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Everything conceivable.

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " .

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> > > > > > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-).

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> > > > > > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is

to speak......or not speak.

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> > > > > > > toombaru

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> > > > > > There is no external agency commanding anyone to speak.

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> > > > > > Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so.

> > > > > >

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> > > > > " All-that-is " implies no agency.

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> > > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > > > " All-that-is " strikes me as the same thing as 'God', or 'the Absolute'.

> > > >

> > > > It's all a game of language and concept.

> > > >

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> > > All-that-is is simply all that is.

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> > > toombaru

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> > Mmkay, so describe it. What is this " all-that-is " object?

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Everything conceivable.

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>

> toombaru

 

That's all that isn't, isn't it?

 

If it's in memory, it's a memory and thus in the past, and thus gone without a

trace.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote:

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> > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote:

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> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-).

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> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by

all-that-is to speak......or not speak.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no external agency commanding anyone to speak.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " All-that-is " implies no agency.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > toombaru

> > > > >

> > > > > " All-that-is " strikes me as the same thing as 'God', or 'the

Absolute'.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's all a game of language and concept.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > All-that-is is simply all that is.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > > Mmkay, so describe it. What is this " all-that-is " object?

> > >

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> >

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> > Everything conceivable.

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> >

> > toombaru

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> That's all that isn't, isn't it?

>

> If it's in memory, it's a memory and thus in the past, and thus gone without a

trace.

>

 

 

 

If it's conceivable.....it ain't real.

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote:

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> > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote:

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> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-).

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> > > > > > > > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by

all-that-is to speak......or not speak.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is no external agency commanding anyone to speak.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " All-that-is " implies no agency.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " All-that-is " strikes me as the same thing as 'God', or 'the

Absolute'.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's all a game of language and concept.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > All-that-is is simply all that is.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > > > Mmkay, so describe it. What is this " all-that-is " object?

> > > >

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> > > Everything conceivable.

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> > > toombaru

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> > That's all that isn't, isn't it?

> >

> > If it's in memory, it's a memory and thus in the past, and thus gone without

a trace.

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> If it's conceivable.....it ain't real.

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> toombaru

 

If that amounts to a conceptual understanding (rather than an actual dying to

the past, or release of memory), it doesn't seem here to mean much.

 

After all, " real " is a concept too ;-). As is 'unreal'.

 

One could say there's the necessary, and the unnecessary.

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " .

> >

> > This explains why I babble so much ;-).

> >

Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to

speak......or not speak.

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

That's right.

 

All that is, is is-ing.

 

Its is-ing is things happening, nothing happening.

 

Is it is or is it ain't?

 

Saying one word is too much, and a million paintings are not enough.

 

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote:

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> >

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> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " .

> > >

> > > This explains why I babble so much ;-).

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to

speak......or not speak.

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> > toombaru

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> That's right.

>

> All that is, is is-ing.

>

> Its is-ing is things happening, nothing happening.

>

> Is it is or is it ain't?

>

> Saying one word is too much, and a million paintings are not enough.

>

>

> - D -

>

 

 

 

Depends on how we fill in our *time* on heaven, hell and earth.

 

To say *how* and that that is *choiceless* to speak out of one side

of one's creation, to say *how* is replete with choices speaks from

one side of one's creation.

 

We'll never quite know who creates what and why.

 

And least this is my observation of the Isness that is.

 

 

~A

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Nisargadatta , "toombaru" <lastrain wrote:> Nisargadatta , "Tim G." <fewtch@> wrote:> > "They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know".> > This explains why I babble so much ;-). > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to speak......or not speak.> toombaru> Dan wrote,

> That's right.> All that is, is is-ing.> Its is-ing is things happening, nothing happening.> Is it is or is it ain't?> Saying one word is too much, and a million paintings are not enough.> - D -

 

Reminds me of a saying in AA (Alcoholicis Anonymous)...

"One drink is too many and a million is not enough!" :-))

 

Also, to shift to another subject...

"Honesty without compassion is still a form of violence!"

 

~M

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Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " .

> > > This explains why I babble so much ;-).

>

> > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to

speak......or not speak.

>

> > toombaru

> > Dan wrote,

> > That's right.

> > All that is, is is-ing.

> > Its is-ing is things happening, nothing happening.

> > Is it is or is it ain't?

> > Saying one word is too much, and a million paintings are not enough.

> > - D -

>

> Reminds me of a saying in AA (Alcoholicis Anonymous)...

> " One drink is too many and a million is not enough! " :-))

>

> Also, to shift to another subject...

> " Honesty without compassion is still a form of violence! "

>

> ~M

>

 

 

 

 

 

The sense of self is violence.

 

 

 

toombaru

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those who know dont speak for words cant transmit the real , it can only point toward it

said by an enlightened one --- On Sat, 3/10/09, Tim G. <fewtch wrote:

Tim G. <fewtch Re: Knowing and speakingNisargadatta Date: Saturday, 3 October, 2009, 12:01 AM

Nisargadatta, "toombaru" <lastrain@.. .> wrote:>> > > Nisargadatta, "Tim G." <fewtch@> wrote:> >> > "They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know".> > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-).> >> > > > > > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to speak......or not speak.> > > > > toombaruThere is no external agency commanding anyone to

speak.Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so.

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