Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " . This explains why I babble so much ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " . > > This explains why I babble so much ;-). > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to speak......or not speak. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " . > > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-). > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to speak......or not speak. > > > > > toombaru There is no external agency commanding anyone to speak. Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " . > > > > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to speak......or not speak. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > There is no external agency commanding anyone to speak. > > Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so. > " All-that-is " implies no agency. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " . > > > > > > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to speak......or not speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > There is no external agency commanding anyone to speak. > > > > Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so. > > > > > > " All-that-is " implies no agency. > > > > > toombaru " All-that-is " strikes me as the same thing as 'God', or 'the Absolute'. It's all a game of language and concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " . > > > > > > > > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to speak......or not speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > There is no external agency commanding anyone to speak. > > > > > > Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so. > > > > > > > > > > > " All-that-is " implies no agency. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > " All-that-is " strikes me as the same thing as 'God', or 'the Absolute'. > > It's all a game of language and concept. > All-that-is is simply all that is. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " . > > > > > > > > > > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to speak......or not speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > There is no external agency commanding anyone to speak. > > > > > > > > Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " All-that-is " implies no agency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > " All-that-is " strikes me as the same thing as 'God', or 'the Absolute'. > > > > It's all a game of language and concept. > > > > > > All-that-is is simply all that is. > > > > toombaru Mmkay, so describe it. What is this " all-that-is " object? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to speak......or not speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > There is no external agency commanding anyone to speak. > > > > > > > > > > Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " All-that-is " implies no agency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > " All-that-is " strikes me as the same thing as 'God', or 'the Absolute'. > > > > > > It's all a game of language and concept. > > > > > > > > > > > All-that-is is simply all that is. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Mmkay, so describe it. What is this " all-that-is " object? > Everything conceivable. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to speak......or not speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no external agency commanding anyone to speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " All-that-is " implies no agency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > " All-that-is " strikes me as the same thing as 'God', or 'the Absolute'. > > > > > > > > It's all a game of language and concept. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All-that-is is simply all that is. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Mmkay, so describe it. What is this " all-that-is " object? > > Everything conceivable. > > > toombaru That's all that isn't, isn't it? If it's in memory, it's a memory and thus in the past, and thus gone without a trace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to speak......or not speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no external agency commanding anyone to speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " All-that-is " implies no agency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > " All-that-is " strikes me as the same thing as 'God', or 'the Absolute'. > > > > > > > > > > It's all a game of language and concept. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All-that-is is simply all that is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Mmkay, so describe it. What is this " all-that-is " object? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything conceivable. > > > > > > toombaru > > That's all that isn't, isn't it? > > If it's in memory, it's a memory and thus in the past, and thus gone without a trace. > If it's conceivable.....it ain't real. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to speak......or not speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no external agency commanding anyone to speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " All-that-is " implies no agency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > " All-that-is " strikes me as the same thing as 'God', or 'the Absolute'. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all a game of language and concept. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All-that-is is simply all that is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Mmkay, so describe it. What is this " all-that-is " object? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything conceivable. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > That's all that isn't, isn't it? > > > > If it's in memory, it's a memory and thus in the past, and thus gone without a trace. > > > > > > If it's conceivable.....it ain't real. > > > > toombaru If that amounts to a conceptual understanding (rather than an actual dying to the past, or release of memory), it doesn't seem here to mean much. After all, " real " is a concept too ;-). As is 'unreal'. One could say there's the necessary, and the unnecessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " . > > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-). > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to speak......or not speak. > > > > > toombaru That's right. All that is, is is-ing. Its is-ing is things happening, nothing happening. Is it is or is it ain't? Saying one word is too much, and a million paintings are not enough. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " . > > > > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to speak......or not speak. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > That's right. > > All that is, is is-ing. > > Its is-ing is things happening, nothing happening. > > Is it is or is it ain't? > > Saying one word is too much, and a million paintings are not enough. > > > - D - > Depends on how we fill in our *time* on heaven, hell and earth. To say *how* and that that is *choiceless* to speak out of one side of one's creation, to say *how* is replete with choices speaks from one side of one's creation. We'll never quite know who creates what and why. And least this is my observation of the Isness that is. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , "toombaru" <lastrain wrote:> Nisargadatta , "Tim G." <fewtch@> wrote:> > "They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know".> > This explains why I babble so much ;-). > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to speak......or not speak.> toombaru> Dan wrote, > That's right.> All that is, is is-ing.> Its is-ing is things happening, nothing happening.> Is it is or is it ain't?> Saying one word is too much, and a million paintings are not enough.> - D - Reminds me of a saying in AA (Alcoholicis Anonymous)... "One drink is too many and a million is not enough!" :-)) Also, to shift to another subject... "Honesty without compassion is still a form of violence!" ~M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > " They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know " . > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-). > > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to speak......or not speak. > > > toombaru > > Dan wrote, > > That's right. > > All that is, is is-ing. > > Its is-ing is things happening, nothing happening. > > Is it is or is it ain't? > > Saying one word is too much, and a million paintings are not enough. > > - D - > > Reminds me of a saying in AA (Alcoholicis Anonymous)... > " One drink is too many and a million is not enough! " :-)) > > Also, to shift to another subject... > " Honesty without compassion is still a form of violence! " > > ~M > The sense of self is violence. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 those who know dont speak for words cant transmit the real , it can only point toward it said by an enlightened one --- On Sat, 3/10/09, Tim G. <fewtch wrote: Tim G. <fewtch Re: Knowing and speakingNisargadatta Date: Saturday, 3 October, 2009, 12:01 AM Nisargadatta, "toombaru" <lastrain@.. .> wrote:>> > > Nisargadatta, "Tim G." <fewtch@> wrote:> >> > "They who know, don't speak. They who speak, don't know".> > > > This explains why I babble so much ;-).> >> > > > > > > Those who know that nobody knows.....are commanded by all-that-is to speak......or not speak.> > > > > toombaruThere is no external agency commanding anyone to speak.Nor is there an internal agency saying anyone should do so. Now, send attachments up to 25MB with India Mail. Learn how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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