Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 NondualitySalon , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: NondualitySalon , " Tbony " <tonyco@> wrote: > > > > > > NondualitySalon > [NondualitySalon ] On Behalf Of edareo > Saturday, 3 October 2009 2:18 p.m. > NondualitySalon > [Nonduality Salon] Re: Experience without an inside or outside > NondualitySalon > <NondualitySalon%40> , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > NondualitySalon > <NondualitySalon%40> , " edareo " <edare@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Indeed, clarity is present...including all that is said and not said. > > > > > > > > > E. > > > > A person can think about what has been said, but what has been said is the > past, and so is the someone considering it. > > > > Clarity, being present, has nothing to think about, and no past to deal > with. > > > > Nothing has been said for clarity to deal with. > > > > Clarity isn't information processing. > > > > Thoughts come and go in clarity, but they aren't about anything. > > > > There isn't anything for a thought to be about. > > > > > > - D - > > > > Saying " There isn't anything for a thought to be about, " is a thought > constructed from word memory and intention to convey meaning. Yet it > pretends to be meaningless. > > E. > > > > T: Dear E, > > Yes I reckon so too. > > A lot of such posts (with the greatest respect) seem such a useless waste of > bandwidth. > > Tboni Most of this talk ('nondual' or otherwise) seems to be about getting something from 'out there' (an other), or a self giving something to an other 'out there'. As if there were actually energy coming in from 'out there' somewhere, or energy actually draining off, going 'out there' over the Internet from me to you. It's all imaginary. There's little or nothing to discuss in the absence of 'self and other' games. As Dan says, there's nothing for a thought to be 'about'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 NondualitySalon , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: NondualitySalon , " edareo " <edare@> wrote: > > > > NondualitySalon , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > " One sees one's own thoughts, nothing else. " > > > > Will that work where people want open communication? > > E. Communication is what it is. The 'other' will interpret, however they happen to. Trying to conform " oneself " to fit to another, to 'fit in', is to attempt the impossible, to try and read someone's mind, to try and be in someone's shoes, when all one is ever in is one's own. Communication is only open when one isn't attempting the impossible, in order to try and be seen a certain way in someone else's eyes. Then, one is 'being oneself', being whatever one is, and communication is as open as it will ever be. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > NondualitySalon , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > NondualitySalon , " edareo " <edare@> wrote: > > > > > > > > NondualitySalon , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > " One sees one's own thoughts, nothing else. " > > > > > > > > Will that work where people want open communication? > > > > E. > > Communication is what it is. > > The 'other' will interpret, however they happen to. > > Trying to conform " oneself " to fit to another, to 'fit in', is to attempt the impossible, to try and read someone's mind, to try and be in someone's shoes, when all one is ever in is one's own. > > Communication is only open when one isn't attempting the impossible, in order to try and be seen a certain way in someone else's eyes. > > Then, one is 'being oneself', being whatever one is, and communication is as open as it will ever be. > > --- End forwarded message --- > Living in a Nazi concentration camp would be a great chance, Tim, to practically find out if your wonderful idea is true or not: Trying to conform " oneself " to fit to another, to 'fit in', is to attempt the impossible, to try and read someone's mind, to try and be in someone's shoes, when all one is ever in is one's own. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > NondualitySalon , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > NondualitySalon , " edareo " <edare@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > NondualitySalon , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > " One sees one's own thoughts, nothing else. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Will that work where people want open communication? > > > > > > E. > > > > Communication is what it is. > > > > The 'other' will interpret, however they happen to. > > > > Trying to conform " oneself " to fit to another, to 'fit in', is to attempt the impossible, to try and read someone's mind, to try and be in someone's shoes, when all one is ever in is one's own. > > > > Communication is only open when one isn't attempting the impossible, in order to try and be seen a certain way in someone else's eyes. > > > > Then, one is 'being oneself', being whatever one is, and communication is as open as it will ever be. > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > Living in a Nazi concentration camp would be a great chance, Tim, to practically find out if your wonderful idea is true or not: > > Trying to conform " oneself " to fit to another, to 'fit in', is to attempt the impossible, to try and read someone's mind, to try and be in someone's shoes, when all one is ever in is one's own. > > Werner > greetings to Werners concentration camp... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Living in a Nazi concentration camp would be a great chance, Tim, to > practically find out if your wonderful idea is true or not: Ahh shucks, I can't go back into the past. Guess I'll just have to " be here now " . No other choice ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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