Enlightenment Doesn't Equal Liberation (for Toom too)

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

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> the world is filled up with such beings...

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> more or less intelligent....

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> more or less enlightened...

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> more or less free....

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> etc...

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> ....

 

Yes, the above is an example of the belief in limited beings. Of a scale of

judgment of these supposed beings, based on one's own arbitrary and assumptive

" more or less " scale.

 

> We are talking in here....because of an appearent world...

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> Some are more attached to...like others.

 

And by what measure is " someone else's " attachment judged?

 

By one's own, of course.

 

And so, " I " am the only limitation. Ever.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

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> >

> > the world is filled up with such beings...

> >

> > more or less intelligent....

> >

> > more or less enlightened...

> >

> > more or less free....

> >

> > etc...

> >

> > ....

>

> Yes, the above is an example of the belief in limited beings. Of a scale of

judgment of these supposed beings, based on one's own arbitrary and assumptive

" more or less " scale.

>

> > We are talking in here....because of an appearent world...

> >

> > Some are more attached to...like others.

>

> And by what measure is " someone else's " attachment judged?

>

> By one's own, of course.

>

> And so, " I " am the only limitation. Ever.

>

 

 

impossible to judge?...

 

si si...it's very easy to judge within an appearent world...

 

sharing some common spaces (for some duration of time)

 

....

 

but if you like...and insist, Tim

 

open all the prison doors...

 

and join the worldly party...

 

....

 

lol

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

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> impossible to judge?...

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> si si...it's very easy to judge within an appearent world...

 

To whom is an apparent world?

 

" To me " .

 

And so, the world is not independent of " me " .

 

To believe in a " separate world/beings " is the belief in my own separation, as a

being.

 

There is no separate world, because there are no separate beings.

 

> but if you like...and insist, Tim

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> open all the prison doors...

>

> and join the worldly party...

 

I can't join what I am.

 

I was never apart to join it.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > impossible to judge?...

> >

> > si si...it's very easy to judge within an appearent world...

>

> To whom is an apparent world?

>

> " To me " .

>

> And so, the world is not independent of " me " .

>

> To believe in a " separate world/beings " is the belief in my own separation, as

a being.

>

> There is no separate world, because there are no separate beings.

>

> > but if you like...and insist, Tim

> >

> > open all the prison doors...

> >

> > and join the worldly party...

>

> I can't join what I am.

>

> I was never apart to join it.

>

Tim....take it easy

 

....

 

 

we aren't neither this appearent world...nor this two appearent bubbling

people....for real!

 

....

 

anything else...is of worldly speculations...and lead, for some...

 

to the mentionned " edge " ...as for example...

 

....

 

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

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> > > but if you like...and insist, Tim

> > >

> > > open all the prison doors...

> > >

> > > and join the worldly party...

> >

> > I can't join what I am.

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> > I was never apart to join it.

> >

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> Tim....take it easy

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> ...

 

" Tim " is actually at peace.

 

He is resting in peace, having gone to the graveyard ;-).

 

But he seems to still exist as a projection, like a ghost.

 

Like whenever somebody feels uneasy in conversation, they say " Tim, take it

easy " . Even though it is the uneasiness of the respondent.