Enlightenment Doesn't Equal Liberation (for nobody, at peace)

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

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> > > > but if you like...and insist, Tim

> > > >

> > > > open all the prison doors...

> > > >

> > > > and join the worldly party...

> > >

> > > I can't join what I am.

> > >

> > > I was never apart to join it.

> > >

> >

> > Tim....take it easy

> >

> > ...

>

> " Tim " is actually at peace.

>

> He is resting in peace, having gone to the graveyard ;-).

>

> But he seems to still exist as a projection, like a ghost.

>

> Like whenever somebody feels uneasy in conversation, they say " Tim, take it

easy " . Even though it is the uneasiness of the respondent.

>

 

 

ok, " Tim at peace "

 

wish further nice talk to/from/by whatever ghosts in here....

 

....

 

 

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > > but if you like...and insist, Tim

> > > > >

> > > > > open all the prison doors...

> > > > >

> > > > > and join the worldly party...

> > > >

> > > > I can't join what I am.

> > > >

> > > > I was never apart to join it.

> > > >

> > >

> > > Tim....take it easy

> > >

> > > ...

> >

> > " Tim " is actually at peace.

> >

> > He is resting in peace, having gone to the graveyard ;-).

> >

> > But he seems to still exist as a projection, like a ghost.

> >

> > Like whenever somebody feels uneasy in conversation, they say " Tim, take it

easy " . Even though it is the uneasiness of the respondent.

> >

>

>

> ok, " Tim at peace "

>

> wish further nice talk to/from/by whatever ghosts in here....

>

> ...

>

>

>

>

>

> Marc

 

There are none separate from (what is taken to be) " Marc " . And never have been,

and never will be. As there are no actually separate beings.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

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> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > but if you like...and insist, Tim

> > > > > >

> > > > > > open all the prison doors...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and join the worldly party...

> > > > >

> > > > > I can't join what I am.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was never apart to join it.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Tim....take it easy

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > >

> > > " Tim " is actually at peace.

> > >

> > > He is resting in peace, having gone to the graveyard ;-).

> > >

> > > But he seems to still exist as a projection, like a ghost.

> > >

> > > Like whenever somebody feels uneasy in conversation, they say " Tim, take

it easy " . Even though it is the uneasiness of the respondent.

> > >

> >

> >

> > ok, " Tim at peace "

> >

> > wish further nice talk to/from/by whatever ghosts in here....

> >

> > ...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Marc

>

> There are none separate from (what is taken to be) " Marc " . And never have

been, and never will be. As there are no actually separate beings.

>

 

 

" who " told this....to " whom " ?.....

 

lol

 

 

....

 

Yes!, Tim!...we are both Unlimited beings!

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

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> " who " told this....to " whom " ?.....

>

> lol

>

>

> ...

>

> Yes!, Tim!...we are both Unlimited beings!

>

>

> Marc

 

No, Marc. We are not two separate beings.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > " who " told this....to " whom " ?.....

> >

> > lol

> >

> >

> > ...

> >

> > Yes!, Tim!...we are both Unlimited beings!

> >

> >

> > Marc

>

> No, Marc. We are not two separate beings.

>

 

Si!, Tim!

 

due to Maya...we are seperated!

 

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

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>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > " who " told this....to " whom " ?.....

> > >

> > > lol

> > >

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > Yes!, Tim!...we are both Unlimited beings!

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> > No, Marc. We are not two separate beings.

> >

>

> Si!, Tim!

>

> due to Maya...we are seperated!

>

>

>

>

> Marc

 

No, Marc. Due to Marc, we are separated.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

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> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " who " told this....to " whom " ?.....

> > > >

> > > > lol

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > Yes!, Tim!...we are both Unlimited beings!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > > No, Marc. We are not two separate beings.

> > >

> >

> > Si!, Tim!

> >

> > due to Maya...we are seperated!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Marc

>

> No, Marc. Due to Marc, we are separated.

>

 

 

then give finally up this your fiction " Marc " ...

 

whats the problem about?...

 

need realy such fiction " Marc " ...

 

....

 

 

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

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>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

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> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > " who " told this....to " whom " ?.....

> > > > >

> > > > > lol

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes!, Tim!...we are both Unlimited beings!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > No, Marc. We are not two separate beings.

> > > >

> > >

> > > Si!, Tim!

> > >

> > > due to Maya...we are seperated!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> > No, Marc. Due to Marc, we are separated.

> >

>

>

> then give finally up this your fiction " Marc " ...

 

Yes, I should.

 

Who am I?

 

Could I be the reader of this, here and now?

 

> whats the problem about?...

 

Fear.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

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> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

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> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " who " told this....to " whom " ?.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > lol

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes!, Tim!...we are both Unlimited beings!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > > No, Marc. We are not two separate beings.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Si!, Tim!

> > > >

> > > > due to Maya...we are seperated!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > > No, Marc. Due to Marc, we are separated.

> > >

> >

> >

> > then give finally up this your fiction " Marc " ...

>

> Yes, I should.

>

> Who am I?

>

> Could I be the reader of this, here and now?

>

> > whats the problem about?...

>

> Fear.

>

 

 

only " Tim " could cause fear to " Tim "

 

....

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

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>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " who " told this....to " whom " ?.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > lol

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes!, Tim!...we are both Unlimited beings!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No, Marc. We are not two separate beings.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Si!, Tim!

> > > > >

> > > > > due to Maya...we are seperated!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > No, Marc. Due to Marc, we are separated.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > then give finally up this your fiction " Marc " ...

> >

> > Yes, I should.

> >

> > Who am I?

> >

> > Could I be the reader of this, here and now?

> >

> > > whats the problem about?...

> >

> > Fear.

> >

>

>

> only " Tim " could cause fear to " Tim "

>

> ...

 

Exactly so.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " who " told this....to " whom " ?.....

> > > >

> > > > lol

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > Yes!, Tim!...we are both Unlimited beings!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > > No, Marc. We are not two separate beings.

> > >

> >

> > Si!, Tim!

> >

> > due to Maya...we are seperated!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Marc

>

> No, Marc. Due to Marc, we are separated.

>

 

 

Tim,

 

There is a delicious apple waiting. Who do you think should better bite into it

you or Marc ?

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

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>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > " who " told this....to " whom " ?.....

> > > > >

> > > > > lol

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes!, Tim!...we are both Unlimited beings!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > No, Marc. We are not two separate beings.

> > > >

> > >

> > > Si!, Tim!

> > >

> > > due to Maya...we are seperated!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> > No, Marc. Due to Marc, we are separated.

> >

>

>

> Tim,

>

> There is a delicious apple waiting. Who do you think should better > bite into

it you or Marc ?

>

> Werner

 

The one who says " there is a delicious apple waiting " , the one came up with the

idea and who knows about the apple, knows the mental picture of it, knows the

conceptual taste of it... only 'He' can bite.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " who " told this....to " whom " ?.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > lol

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes!, Tim!...we are both Unlimited beings!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > > No, Marc. We are not two separate beings.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Si!, Tim!

> > > >

> > > > due to Maya...we are seperated!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > > No, Marc. Due to Marc, we are separated.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Tim,

> >

> > There is a delicious apple waiting. Who do you think should better > bite

into it you or Marc ?

> >

> > Werner

>

> The one who says " there is a delicious apple waiting " , the one came up with

the idea and who knows about the apple, knows the mental picture of it, knows

the conceptual taste of it... only 'He' can bite.

>

 

 

You are a coward, Tim, hiding his cowardice behind non-dual bull.

 

I wonder when you will wake up to stop that shit, at leat in conversations.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

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>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " who " told this....to " whom " ?.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > lol

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes!, Tim!...we are both Unlimited beings!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No, Marc. We are not two separate beings.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Si!, Tim!

> > > > >

> > > > > due to Maya...we are seperated!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > No, Marc. Due to Marc, we are separated.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Tim,

> > >

> > > There is a delicious apple waiting. Who do you think should better > bite

into it you or Marc ?

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> > The one who says " there is a delicious apple waiting " , the one came up with

the idea and who knows about the apple, knows the mental picture of it, knows

the conceptual taste of it... only 'He' can bite.

> >

>

>

> You are a coward, Tim, hiding his cowardice behind non-dual bull.

>

> I wonder when you will wake up to stop that shit, at leat in conversations.

>

> Werner

>

 

 

it's all about the misery of this self important " enlightened " beings.....

 

 

lol

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

>

>

> it's all about the misery of this self important " enlightened "

> beings.....

>

>

> lol

 

What does the misery of these 'enlightened beings' feel like?

 

It must feel a little like Marc's misery.

 

lol

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > it's all about the misery of this self important " enlightened "

> > beings.....

> >

> >

> > lol

>

> What does the misery of these 'enlightened beings' feel like?

>

> It must feel a little like Marc's misery.

>

> lol

>

 

 

ahhh.....this omkara datta....means, " Tim " ....who is telling that he is

enlightened all around......

 

isn't That a great misery and a shame for all Liberation and Peace?....

 

lol

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

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>

>

> ahhh.....this omkara datta....means, " Tim " ....who is telling that

> he is enlightened all around......

 

Hey, listen up, everybody:

 

*** I am not enlightened ***

 

Spread it around! ;-).

 

lol

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > ahhh.....this omkara datta....means, " Tim " ....who is telling that

> > he is enlightened all around......

>

> Hey, listen up, everybody:

>

> *** I am not enlightened ***

>

> Spread it around! ;-).

>

> lol

>

 

 

I don't care about " enlightened " people...

 

not very interesting...

 

 

 

Marc

 

 

Ps: ciao bubbling Tim

 

enough of this your beloved worldly bubbles

 

tea time is over

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> >

>

> > You are a coward, Tim, hiding his cowardice behind non-dual bull.

> >

> > I wonder when you will wake up to stop that shit, at leat in

> > conversations.

> >

> > Werner

>

> I don't care. Wonder away.

 

P.S. I would consider the possibility, Werner, that being interested in

" persons " and whether they're cowards, etc. and at the same time being very

disinterested in " nonduality " , enough to call it " bull " , means that one has no

interest in nonduality -- but instead is interested in duality.

 

In that case, there are dating services, places one can go to seek others and

bolster one's own self image, and a " nondual list " of any kind is a very silly

place to hang out.

 

Really, I'm being serious. What is the point, if interested specifically in

" duality " ( " me and you " or " me vs. you " ) to post on a list related to

nonduality, of a teacher that specifically taught " there is no self " ?

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> >

> > > You are a coward, Tim, hiding his cowardice behind non-dual bull.

> > >

> > > I wonder when you will wake up to stop that shit, at leat in

> > > conversations.

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> > I don't care. Wonder away.

>

> P.S. I would consider the possibility, Werner, that being interested in

" persons " and whether they're cowards, etc. and at the same time being very

disinterested in " nonduality " , enough to call it " bull " , means that one has no

interest in nonduality -- but instead is interested in duality.

>

> In that case, there are dating services, places one can go to seek others and

bolster one's own self image, and a " nondual list " of any kind is a very silly

place to hang out.

>

> Really, I'm being serious. What is the point, if interested specifically in

" duality " ( " me and you " or " me vs. you " ) to post on a list related to

nonduality, of a teacher that specifically taught " there is no self " ?

>

 

 

Ok, ok, Tim,

 

I think I will eat that delicious apple waiting for us and you go on babbling

non-dual.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > You are a coward, Tim, hiding his cowardice behind non-dual bull.

> > > >

> > > > I wonder when you will wake up to stop that shit, at leat in

> > > > conversations.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > >

> > > I don't care. Wonder away.

> >

> > P.S. I would consider the possibility, Werner, that being interested in

" persons " and whether they're cowards, etc. and at the same time being very

disinterested in " nonduality " , enough to call it " bull " , means that one has no

interest in nonduality -- but instead is interested in duality.

> >

> > In that case, there are dating services, places one can go to seek others

and bolster one's own self image, and a " nondual list " of any kind is a very

silly place to hang out.

> >

> > Really, I'm being serious. What is the point, if interested specifically in

" duality " ( " me and you " or " me vs. you " ) to post on a list related to

nonduality, of a teacher that specifically taught " there is no self " ?

> >

>

>

> Ok, ok, Tim,

>

> I think I will eat that delicious apple waiting for us and you go

> on babbling non-dual.

>

> Werner

 

Which one of us is " I " and which one " you " ?

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> >

> > > You are a coward, Tim, hiding his cowardice behind non-dual bull.

> > >

> > > I wonder when you will wake up to stop that shit, at leat in

> > > conversations.

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> > I don't care. Wonder away.

>

> P.S. I would consider the possibility, Werner, that being interested in

" persons " and whether they're cowards, etc. and at the same time being very

disinterested in " nonduality " , enough to call it " bull " , means that one has no

interest in nonduality -- but instead is interested in duality.

>

> In that case, there are dating services, places one can go to seek others and

bolster one's own self image, and a " nondual list " of any kind is a very silly

place to hang out.

>

> Really, I'm being serious. What is the point, if interested specifically in

" duality " ( " me and you " or " me vs. you " ) to post on a list related to

nonduality, of a teacher that specifically taught " there is no self " ?

>

 

 

some are hanging endlessly around on this fantastic discover.....described as

" consciousness = content "

 

kind of non-duality.....yes

 

....

 

but thats all what is concerned about names, formes, bodies, limited

spaces.......concluded as " world " .

 

....

 

as " you = world "

 

....

 

" me " = " world "

 

....

 

etc

 

but then we come to end...with this fantastic experiences and understandings....

 

means, there is no more enough brain to understand something about formlessness,

infinity, changelessness.

 

....

 

an appearent duality to That take place...

 

....

 

it seem...an endless issue in here...

 

....

 

 

Marc

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > You are a coward, Tim, hiding his cowardice behind non-dual bull.

> > > > >

> > > > > I wonder when you will wake up to stop that shit, at leat in

> > > > > conversations.

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > >

> > > > I don't care. Wonder away.

> > >

> > > P.S. I would consider the possibility, Werner, that being interested in

" persons " and whether they're cowards, etc. and at the same time being very

disinterested in " nonduality " , enough to call it " bull " , means that one has no

interest in nonduality -- but instead is interested in duality.

> > >

> > > In that case, there are dating services, places one can go to seek others

and bolster one's own self image, and a " nondual list " of any kind is a very

silly place to hang out.

> > >

> > > Really, I'm being serious. What is the point, if interested specifically

in " duality " ( " me and you " or " me vs. you " ) to post on a list related to

nonduality, of a teacher that specifically taught " there is no self " ?

> > >

> >

> >

> > Ok, ok, Tim,

> >

> > I think I will eat that delicious apple waiting for us and you go

> > on babbling non-dual.

> >

> > Werner

>

> Which one of us is " I " and which one " you " ?

>

 

 

Tim,

 

That question often is put by inhabitants of mental hospitals who have lost any

orientation.

 

Werner

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

>

>

> some are hanging endlessly around on this fantastic

> discover.....described as " consciousness = content "

 

Really, 'duality' is very fantastical, unreal, out of the ordinary, strange,

even twisted.

 

" non-duality " is just ordinary, really.

 

And so people hang out expecting something fantastical, unreal, out of the

ordinary, strange, even twisted, because... well, they are seeking that, to get

more of that, more and more (while complaining, of course, that it is a

suffering).

 

And so what people seek in 'nonduality', is not what it is. Nobody is actually

seeking " nonduality " . One might as well seek to end their life... as they know

it anyway.

 

> but then we come to end...with this fantastic experiences and

> understandings....

 

Yes, the adventure must end eventually, but until it really looks like a

suffering, terrible, horrible, it doesn't end. And it seems " most " get a

combination from it, some horrible, some glorious, and don't want to lose the

'glorious'.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > You are a coward, Tim, hiding his cowardice behind non-dual bull.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wonder when you will wake up to stop that shit, at leat in

> > > > > > conversations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Werner

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't care. Wonder away.

> > > >

> > > > P.S. I would consider the possibility, Werner, that being interested in

" persons " and whether they're cowards, etc. and at the same time being very

disinterested in " nonduality " , enough to call it " bull " , means that one has no

interest in nonduality -- but instead is interested in duality.

> > > >

> > > > In that case, there are dating services, places one can go to seek

others and bolster one's own self image, and a " nondual list " of any kind is a

very silly place to hang out.

> > > >

> > > > Really, I'm being serious. What is the point, if interested

specifically in " duality " ( " me and you " or " me vs. you " ) to post on a list

related to nonduality, of a teacher that specifically taught " there is no self " ?

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ok, ok, Tim,

> > >

> > > I think I will eat that delicious apple waiting for us and you go

> > > on babbling non-dual.

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> > Which one of us is " I " and which one " you " ?

> >

>

>

> Tim,

>

> That question often is put by inhabitants of mental hospitals who

> have lost any orientation.

>

> Werner

 

Could be.

 

It also could be a question based on " non-local awareness " , which isn't located

anywhere and doesn't contain either a " me " or a " you " .

 

In other words, one goes in the hospital because they need orientation, and that

makes them crazy not to have it. People also go for " de-personalization " and

" de-realization " , which isn't any different than 'advaita' really, except... the

need for a person and a personal reality isn't there anymore. Which is

" sanity " , if ya ask me.