Enlightenment Doesn't Equal Liberation (for nobody, at peace)

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

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> > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

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> > > > > > > You are a coward, Tim, hiding his cowardice behind non-dual bull.

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> > > > > > > I wonder when you will wake up to stop that shit, at leat in

> > > > > > > conversations.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't care. Wonder away.

> > > > >

> > > > > P.S. I would consider the possibility, Werner, that being interested

in " persons " and whether they're cowards, etc. and at the same time being very

disinterested in " nonduality " , enough to call it " bull " , means that one has no

interest in nonduality -- but instead is interested in duality.

> > > > >

> > > > > In that case, there are dating services, places one can go to seek

others and bolster one's own self image, and a " nondual list " of any kind is a

very silly place to hang out.

> > > > >

> > > > > Really, I'm being serious. What is the point, if interested

specifically in " duality " ( " me and you " or " me vs. you " ) to post on a list

related to nonduality, of a teacher that specifically taught " there is no self " ?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ok, ok, Tim,

> > > >

> > > > I think I will eat that delicious apple waiting for us and you go

> > > > on babbling non-dual.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > >

> > > Which one of us is " I " and which one " you " ?

> > >

> >

> >

> > Tim,

> >

> > That question often is put by inhabitants of mental hospitals who

> > have lost any orientation.

> >

> > Werner

>

> Could be.

>

> It also could be a question based on " non-local awareness " , which isn't

located anywhere and doesn't contain either a " me " or a " you " .

>

> In other words, one goes in the hospital because they need orientation, and

that makes them crazy not to have it. People also go for " de-personalization "

and " de-realization " , which isn't any different than 'advaita' really, except...

the need for a person and a personal reality isn't there anymore. Which is

" sanity " , if ya ask me.

>

 

 

Tim,

 

I warn you, stay grounded.

 

Non-dual philosophy is nice to discuss on cocktail parties but in daily life you

have to think in a dual way and you have to cope with billions of people whose

brain is functioning the same way.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

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> > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

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> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are a coward, Tim, hiding his cowardice behind non-dual

bull.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I wonder when you will wake up to stop that shit, at leat in

> > > > > > > > conversations.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't care. Wonder away.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P.S. I would consider the possibility, Werner, that being interested

in " persons " and whether they're cowards, etc. and at the same time being very

disinterested in " nonduality " , enough to call it " bull " , means that one has no

interest in nonduality -- but instead is interested in duality.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In that case, there are dating services, places one can go to seek

others and bolster one's own self image, and a " nondual list " of any kind is a

very silly place to hang out.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Really, I'm being serious. What is the point, if interested

specifically in " duality " ( " me and you " or " me vs. you " ) to post on a list

related to nonduality, of a teacher that specifically taught " there is no self " ?

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ok, ok, Tim,

> > > > >

> > > > > I think I will eat that delicious apple waiting for us and you go

> > > > > on babbling non-dual.

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > >

> > > > Which one of us is " I " and which one " you " ?

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Tim,

> > >

> > > That question often is put by inhabitants of mental hospitals who

> > > have lost any orientation.

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> > Could be.

> >

> > It also could be a question based on " non-local awareness " , which isn't

located anywhere and doesn't contain either a " me " or a " you " .

> >

> > In other words, one goes in the hospital because they need orientation, and

that makes them crazy not to have it. People also go for " de-personalization "

and " de-realization " , which isn't any different than 'advaita' really, except...

the need for a person and a personal reality isn't there anymore. Which is

" sanity " , if ya ask me.

> >

>

>

> Tim,

>

> I warn you, stay grounded.

>

> Non-dual philosophy is nice to discuss on cocktail parties but in daily life

you have to think in a dual way and you have to cope with billions of people

whose brain is functioning the same way.

>

> Werner

>

 

 

non-duality shouldn't even read and discussed endlessly....wherever

 

it's a contradiction to discuss it, already.

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

>

> > Tim,

> >

> > I warn you, stay grounded.

> >

> > Non-dual philosophy is nice to discuss on cocktail parties but in daily life

you have to think in a dual way and you have to cope with billions of people

whose brain is functioning the same way.

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

>

> non-duality shouldn't even read and discussed endlessly....wherever

>

> it's a contradiction to discuss it, already.

 

One must lose one's grounding, to gain one's Grounding.

 

This is a fact, and it is not pleasant.

 

The author went through hell to get Here. The rug is pulled out from other, and

is not replaced.

 

One never needed it.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > > Tim,

> > >

> > > I warn you, stay grounded.

> > >

> > > Non-dual philosophy is nice to discuss on cocktail parties but in daily

life you have to think in a dual way and you have to cope with billions of

people whose brain is functioning the same way.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> >

> >

> > non-duality shouldn't even read and discussed endlessly....wherever

> >

> > it's a contradiction to discuss it, already.

>

> One must lose one's grounding, to gain one's Grounding.

>

> This is a fact, and it is not pleasant.

>

> The author went through hell to get Here. The rug is pulled out from other,

and is not replaced.

>

> One never needed it.

>

 

 

if you were " Grounded " ...

 

you could leave your body...

 

like nearly all this people are doing....who reached that point

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

>

> >

> > One must lose one's grounding, to gain one's Grounding.

> >

> > This is a fact, and it is not pleasant.

> >

> > The author went through hell to get Here. The rug is pulled out from other,

and is not replaced.

> >

> > One never needed it.

> >

>

>

> if you were " Grounded " ...

>

> you could leave your body...

 

I'm no longer in a body.

 

My body is in me.

 

And so my body could leave me, yes... and that's fine, if it wants to ;-).

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > > Tim,

> > >

> > > I warn you, stay grounded.

> > >

> > > Non-dual philosophy is nice to discuss on cocktail parties but in daily

life you have to think in a dual way and you have to cope with billions of

people whose brain is functioning the same way.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> >

> >

> > non-duality shouldn't even read and discussed endlessly....wherever

> >

> > it's a contradiction to discuss it, already.

>

> One must lose one's grounding, to gain one's Grounding.

>

> This is a fact, and it is not pleasant.

>

 

 

Just mental bullshit, Tim,

 

If you seriously believe that crap your non-dual lopsided mind is whispering

then you sooner or later will get hospitalized.

 

Werner

 

 

> The author went through hell to get Here. The rug is pulled out from other,

and is not replaced.

>

> One never needed it.

>

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > One must lose one's grounding, to gain one's Grounding.

> > >

> > > This is a fact, and it is not pleasant.

> > >

> > > The author went through hell to get Here. The rug is pulled out from

other, and is not replaced.

> > >

> > > One never needed it.

> > >

> >

> >

> > if you were " Grounded " ...

> >

> > you could leave your body...

>

> I'm no longer in a body.

>

> My body is in me.

>

> And so my body could leave me, yes... and that's fine, if it wants to ;-).

>

 

 

ready for death?...

 

fine...

 

not need to fear so...

 

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > One must lose one's grounding, to gain one's Grounding.

> > > >

> > > > This is a fact, and it is not pleasant.

> > > >

> > > > The author went through hell to get Here. The rug is pulled out from

other, and is not replaced.

> > > >

> > > > One never needed it.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > if you were " Grounded " ...

> > >

> > > you could leave your body...

> >

> > I'm no longer in a body.

> >

> > My body is in me.

> >

> > And so my body could leave me, yes... and that's fine, if it wants to ;-).

> >

>

>

> ready for death?...

>

> fine...

>

> not need to fear so...

>

>

>

>

> Marc

 

One dies before one's death... but you've probably heard that one before ;-).

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > One must lose one's grounding, to gain one's Grounding.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a fact, and it is not pleasant.

> > > > >

> > > > > The author went through hell to get Here. The rug is pulled out from

other, and is not replaced.

> > > > >

> > > > > One never needed it.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > if you were " Grounded " ...

> > > >

> > > > you could leave your body...

> > >

> > > I'm no longer in a body.

> > >

> > > My body is in me.

> > >

> > > And so my body could leave me, yes... and that's fine, if it wants to ;-).

> > >

> >

> >

> > ready for death?...

> >

> > fine...

> >

> > not need to fear so...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Marc

>

> One dies before one's death... but you've probably heard that one before ;-).

>

 

 

life is based in illusory/appearent identity...

 

when such identity falls...

 

life is falling too...

 

...

 

few exceptions, yes...but rare

 

...

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

>

> Just mental bullshit, Tim,

>

> If you seriously believe that crap your non-dual lopsided mind is

> whispering then you sooner or later will get hospitalized.

>

> Werner

 

Werner, you are holding on very, very tightly, obviously.

 

If it worries you to hear about 'nondual' material, I would advise to leave the

list, really. I mean it.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Just mental bullshit, Tim,

> >

> > If you seriously believe that crap your non-dual lopsided mind is

> > whispering then you sooner or later will get hospitalized.

> >

> > Werner

>

> Werner, you are holding on very, very tightly, obviously.

>

> If it worries you to hear about 'nondual' material, I would advise > to leave

the list, really. I mean it.

 

Hopefully not too late... he's been talking about insanity, mental hospitals and

craziness all night :-/.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Just mental bullshit, Tim,

> >

> > If you seriously believe that crap your non-dual lopsided mind is

> > whispering then you sooner or later will get hospitalized.

> >

> > Werner

>

> Werner, you are holding on very, very tightly, obviously.

>

> If it worries you to hear about 'nondual' material, I would advise to leave

the list, really. I mean it.

>

 

 

Btw Tim, this is not a non-dual list but a Maharaj list.

 

And I can understand that members here rather prefer to demomstrate their mental

and intellectual qualities and capacities by babbling non-dual instead of

following the hint of Nis that self-knowledge is neccessary to fully understand

the 'I am'.

 

And therefore I won't leave but I rather will kick-ass hyper-intellectual

non-dual babblers who are so proud of their nondual-knowledge stolen from books.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

>

 

> Btw Tim, this is not a non-dual list but a Maharaj list.

>

> And I can understand that members here rather prefer to demomstrate their

mental and intellectual qualities and capacities by babbling non-dual instead of

following the hint of Nis that self-knowledge is neccessary to fully understand

the 'I am'.

>

> And therefore I won't leave but I rather will kick-ass hyper-

> intellectual non-dual babblers who are so proud of their nondual-

> knowledge stolen from books.

>

> Werner

 

Glad to see ya seem to be OK, Werner. All the talk of mental hospitals,

craziness, insanity, something is clearly bothering Werner. I am concerned, and

would like to consider to get help if something becomes 'too much' at some point

with the nondual material.

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Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Just mental bullshit, Tim,

> > >

> > > If you seriously believe that crap your non-dual lopsided mind is

> > > whispering then you sooner or later will get hospitalized.

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> > Werner, you are holding on very, very tightly, obviously.

> >

> > If it worries you to hear about 'nondual' material, I would advise to leave

the list, really. I mean it.

> >

>

>

> Btw Tim, this is not a non-dual list but a Maharaj list.

>

> And I can understand that members here rather prefer to demomstrate their

mental and intellectual qualities and capacities by babbling non-dual instead of

following the hint of Nis that self-knowledge is neccessary to fully understand

the 'I am'.

>

> And therefore I won't leave but I rather will kick-ass hyper-intellectual

non-dual babblers who are so proud of their nondual-knowledge stolen from books.

>

> Werner

>

 

 

as far we know about Werner...

 

he is the one reading....reading...and reading....and reading...

 

books and books and books....

 

....

 

why for?...

 

missing something?...

 

....

 

maybe " self-knowledge " ...?

 

....

 

lol

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

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>

>

> Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Just mental bullshit, Tim,

> > > >

> > > > If you seriously believe that crap your non-dual lopsided mind is

> > > > whispering then you sooner or later will get hospitalized.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > >

> > > Werner, you are holding on very, very tightly, obviously.

> > >

> > > If it worries you to hear about 'nondual' material, I would advise to

leave the list, really. I mean it.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Btw Tim, this is not a non-dual list but a Maharaj list.

> >

> > And I can understand that members here rather prefer to demomstrate their

mental and intellectual qualities and capacities by babbling non-dual instead of

following the hint of Nis that self-knowledge is neccessary to fully understand

the 'I am'.

> >

> > And therefore I won't leave but I rather will kick-ass hyper-intellectual

non-dual babblers who are so proud of their nondual-knowledge stolen from books.

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

>

> as far we know about Werner...

>

> he is the one reading....reading...and reading....and reading...

>

> books and books and books....

 

I guess Werner is like a movie projector, with the rest of us being the

screen... whatever is happening in the projector goes onto the screen (us), and

supposedly it's happening on the screen. But it's really happening in the

projector :-P.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Just mental bullshit, Tim,

> > > > >

> > > > > If you seriously believe that crap your non-dual lopsided mind is

> > > > > whispering then you sooner or later will get hospitalized.

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > >

> > > > Werner, you are holding on very, very tightly, obviously.

> > > >

> > > > If it worries you to hear about 'nondual' material, I would advise to

leave the list, really. I mean it.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Btw Tim, this is not a non-dual list but a Maharaj list.

> > >

> > > And I can understand that members here rather prefer to demomstrate their

mental and intellectual qualities and capacities by babbling non-dual instead of

following the hint of Nis that self-knowledge is neccessary to fully understand

the 'I am'.

> > >

> > > And therefore I won't leave but I rather will kick-ass hyper-intellectual

non-dual babblers who are so proud of their nondual-knowledge stolen from books.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> >

> >

> > as far we know about Werner...

> >

> > he is the one reading....reading...and reading....and reading...

> >

> > books and books and books....

>

> I guess Werner is like a movie projector, with the rest of us being the

screen... whatever is happening in the projector goes onto the screen (us), and

supposedly it's happening on the screen. But it's really happening in the

projector :-P.

>

 

 

Gossiper-Tim got active again and is congregating with Marc on my back.

 

Why can't you stand alone, Tim ?

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just mental bullshit, Tim,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you seriously believe that crap your non-dual lopsided mind is

> > > > > > whispering then you sooner or later will get hospitalized.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Werner

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner, you are holding on very, very tightly, obviously.

> > > > >

> > > > > If it worries you to hear about 'nondual' material, I would advise to

leave the list, really. I mean it.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Btw Tim, this is not a non-dual list but a Maharaj list.

> > > >

> > > > And I can understand that members here rather prefer to demomstrate

their mental and intellectual qualities and capacities by babbling non-dual

instead of following the hint of Nis that self-knowledge is neccessary to fully

understand the 'I am'.

> > > >

> > > > And therefore I won't leave but I rather will kick-ass

hyper-intellectual non-dual babblers who are so proud of their nondual-knowledge

stolen from books.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > as far we know about Werner...

> > >

> > > he is the one reading....reading...and reading....and reading...

> > >

> > > books and books and books....

> >

> > I guess Werner is like a movie projector, with the rest of us being the

screen... whatever is happening in the projector goes onto the screen (us), and

supposedly it's happening on the screen. But it's really happening in the

projector :-P.

> >

>

>

> Gossiper-Tim got active again and is congregating with Marc on my back.

>

> Why can't you stand alone, Tim ?

>

> Werner

 

Tim does stand alone, 99.9999999 per cent of the time. Of course, that

" .0000001 " and Werner can't resist.

 

Please do kick away... the author is unaffected. If ya get bored, then go away

and do something else, like an intelligent fellow would do.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

>

> Tim does stand alone, 99.9999999 per cent of the time. Of course, that

" .0000001 " and Werner can't resist.

>

> Please do kick away... the author is unaffected. If ya get bored,

> then go away and do something else, like an intelligent fellow would > do.

 

P.S. I find it very sad, really, that I would express concern for your state of

mind as a fellow human being, and instead of saying " thanks " Werner would go on

the attack. It shows clearly what Werner is here for, to maintain " himself "

through conflict with " other " .

 

It is a pitiable thing, really, that one would use a " nondual " list about a

famous sage to pursue a ridiculous course of attack on " others " , " kicking ass "

and such instead of looking intelligently at one's actions and behaviors that

are maintaining " self " through conflict with others. Sad.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Tim does stand alone, 99.9999999 per cent of the time. Of course, that

" .0000001 " and Werner can't resist.

> >

> > Please do kick away... the author is unaffected. If ya get bored,

> > then go away and do something else, like an intelligent fellow would > do.

>

> P.S. I find it very sad, really, that I would express concern for your state

of mind as a fellow human being, and instead of saying " thanks " Werner would go

on the attack. It shows clearly what Werner is here for, to maintain " himself "

through conflict with " other " .

>

> It is a pitiable thing, really, that one would use a " nondual " list about a

famous sage to pursue a ridiculous course of attack on " others " , " kicking ass "

and such instead of looking intelligently at one's actions and behaviors that

are maintaining " self " through conflict with others. Sad.

>

 

 

 

why are people soo complicated about self...or non-self etc...

specially this so called non-dual people...

 

The Self...some spiritual Teachers are talking about....isn't about any

individual body, mind and intellect

 

The Self has nothing in common with the appearent percieved world of such

individual body, mind, intellect ghosts...

 

The Self see much more than this little appearent world.

 

The Self see that this little appearent world is just like a little appearent

wave on the ocean.

 

The Self is seing that this little appearent individual self or ego is nothing

but a dream character....flowing through worlds by some little more or less

stron emotions flowing through the body...

 

....

 

It's necessary to make the difference between Self and self.

 

....

 

And it's necessary to don't ignore the little appearent self...talking to ghosts

in here....

 

....

 

and then even are telling...that there is no of this little appearent self.

 

.....

 

 

Sad, absurd and ridiculous such reality happening in here.

 

....

 

 

self of/about whatever imaginary worlds....

Have fun!!

 

....

 

Nobody realy who care about!

 

....

 

You are responsible about this your fun...or misery.

 

Nobody else.

 

.....

 

Nobody ever could help out anybody in such affair.

 

....

 

Even if one write/read tonnes of books.....

 

If it don't serve your fun...

 

Better to stop writing.

 

 

 

Marc

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Tim does stand alone, 99.9999999 per cent of the time. Of course, that

" .0000001 " and Werner can't resist.

> > >

> > > Please do kick away... the author is unaffected. If ya get bored,

> > > then go away and do something else, like an intelligent fellow would > do.

> >

> > P.S. I find it very sad, really, that I would express concern for your state

of mind as a fellow human being, and instead of saying " thanks " Werner would go

on the attack. It shows clearly what Werner is here for, to maintain " himself "

through conflict with " other " .

> >

> > It is a pitiable thing, really, that one would use a " nondual " list about a

famous sage to pursue a ridiculous course of attack on " others " , " kicking ass "

and such instead of looking intelligently at one's actions and behaviors that

are maintaining " self " through conflict with others. Sad.

> >

>

>

>

> why are people soo complicated about self...or non-self etc...

> specially this so called non-dual people...

>

> The Self...some spiritual Teachers are talking about....isn't about any

individual body, mind and intellect

>

> The Self has nothing in common with the appearent percieved world of such

individual body, mind, intellect ghosts...

>

> The Self see much more than this little appearent world.

>

> The Self see that this little appearent world is just like a little appearent

wave on the ocean.

>

> The Self is seing that this little appearent individual self or ego is nothing

but a dream character....flowing through worlds by some little more or less

stron emotions flowing through the body...

>

> ...

>

> It's necessary to make the difference between Self and self.

>

> ...

>

> And it's necessary to don't ignore the little appearent self...talking to

ghosts in here....

>

> ...

>

> and then even are telling...that there is no of this little appearent self.

>

> ....

>

>

> Sad, absurd and ridiculous such reality happening in here.

>

> ...

>

>

> self of/about whatever imaginary worlds....

> Have fun!!

>

> ...

>

> Nobody realy who care about!

>

> ...

>

> You are responsible about this your fun...or misery.

>

> Nobody else.

>

> ....

>

> Nobody ever could help out anybody in such affair.

>

> ...

>

> Even if one write/read tonnes of books.....

>

> If it don't serve your fun...

>

> Better to stop writing.

>

>

>

> Marc

>

 

 

Ps: at least, Werner appear to have some fun....writing in here....

 

that's already a good point...

 

....

 

there is nobody and nothing in here....

i mean in a non-dual group...

who could claim to be " this & that " and/or need anything...

what isn't already of him/herSelf

 

....

 

fun...all around and everywhere!

 

lol

 

lol

 

lolol

 

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