Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 " Self " and " other " are identical twins. Nobody cares about anybody else, because there is nobody else -- for anybody. To care about someone else, is to care about oneself. To seek love from somebody else, is to seek to love somebody else. " Self " and " other " are the exact same momentum. And in their absence -- there is nobody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > " Self " and " other " are identical twins. > > Nobody cares about anybody else, because there is nobody else -- for anybody. > > To care about someone else, is to care about oneself. > > To seek love from somebody else, is to seek to love somebody else. > > " Self " and " other " are the exact same momentum. > > And in their absence -- there is nobody. > where there is Self.....or/as Ramana....or/as Ramakrishna....or/as Nis.,.....etc there is nobody and nothing else for real .... where there isn't Self....there are plenty of others....for unreal .... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > " Self " and " other " are identical twins. > > > > Nobody cares about anybody else, because there is nobody else -- for anybody. > > > > To care about someone else, is to care about oneself. > > > > To seek love from somebody else, is to seek to love somebody else. > > > > " Self " and " other " are the exact same momentum. > > > > And in their absence -- there is nobody. > > > > > where there is Self.....or/as Ramana....or/as Ramakrishna....or/as Nis.,.....etc > > there is nobody and nothing else for real There is no Ramana, no Ramakrishna, no Nis., and they are not the Self. Look to what is perceiving or sensing or thinking about these, here and now... that is the Self, there is no other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > " Self " and " other " are identical twins. > > > > > > Nobody cares about anybody else, because there is nobody else -- for anybody. > > > > > > To care about someone else, is to care about oneself. > > > > > > To seek love from somebody else, is to seek to love somebody else. > > > > > > " Self " and " other " are the exact same momentum. > > > > > > And in their absence -- there is nobody. > > > > > > > > > where there is Self.....or/as Ramana....or/as Ramakrishna....or/as Nis.,.....etc > > > > there is nobody and nothing else for real > > There is no Ramana, no Ramakrishna, no Nis., and they are not the Self. > > Look to what is perceiving or sensing or thinking about these, here and now... that is the Self, there is no other. > ohhhhh.....you are a real hero, Tim! look....there is no Marc too! lol .... what could be the name of this your silly game? duality? .... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > " Self " and " other " are identical twins. > > > > > > > > Nobody cares about anybody else, because there is nobody else -- for anybody. > > > > > > > > To care about someone else, is to care about oneself. > > > > > > > > To seek love from somebody else, is to seek to love somebody else. > > > > > > > > " Self " and " other " are the exact same momentum. > > > > > > > > And in their absence -- there is nobody. > > > > > > > > > > > > > where there is Self.....or/as Ramana....or/as Ramakrishna....or/as Nis.,.....etc > > > > > > there is nobody and nothing else for real > > > > There is no Ramana, no Ramakrishna, no Nis., and they are not the Self. > > > > Look to what is perceiving or sensing or thinking about these, here and now... that is the Self, there is no other. > > > > ohhhhh.....you are a real hero, Tim! > > look....there is no Marc too! > > lol What is taken to be Marc, isn't Marc. What is taken to be Tim, isn't Tim. What is taken to be a description of the sky, isn't the sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > " Self " and " other " are identical twins. > > > > > > > > > > Nobody cares about anybody else, because there is nobody else -- for anybody. > > > > > > > > > > To care about someone else, is to care about oneself. > > > > > > > > > > To seek love from somebody else, is to seek to love somebody else. > > > > > > > > > > " Self " and " other " are the exact same momentum. > > > > > > > > > > And in their absence -- there is nobody. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where there is Self.....or/as Ramana....or/as Ramakrishna....or/as Nis.,.....etc > > > > > > > > there is nobody and nothing else for real > > > > > > There is no Ramana, no Ramakrishna, no Nis., and they are not the Self. > > > > > > Look to what is perceiving or sensing or thinking about these, here and now... that is the Self, there is no other. > > > > > > > ohhhhh.....you are a real hero, Tim! > > > > look....there is no Marc too! > > > > lol > > What is taken to be Marc, isn't Marc. What is taken to be Tim, isn't Tim. What is taken to be a description of the sky, isn't the sky. > true, Tim then, finally....have a normal life! do something....with, or without being the doer... nobody cares! .... have fun! .... don't worry about others .... as you endlessly repeat and explain...there are no others .... if " Tim " is doing fine... the world is doing fine! .... easy .... isn't it, Tim? .... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > true, Tim > > then, finally....have a normal life! > > do something....with, or without being the doer... My life is wonderful, Marc, thanks. Things are going very well here, and I appreciate the concern :-). > nobody cares! > > ... Marc's words certainly say otherwise. > have fun! > > ... > > don't worry about others > > ... > > as you endlessly repeat and explain...there are no others Exactly. And so, what I am talking to here is not other or apart from me. > ... > > if " Tim " is doing fine... > > the world is doing fine! Well-said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > true, Tim > > > > then, finally....have a normal life! > > > > do something....with, or without being the doer... > > My life is wonderful, Marc, thanks. Things are going very well here, and I appreciate the concern :-). > > > nobody cares! > > > > ... > > Marc's words certainly say otherwise. > > > have fun! > > > > ... > > > > don't worry about others > > > > ... > > > > as you endlessly repeat and explain...there are no others > > Exactly. And so, what I am talking to here is not other or apart from me. > > > ... > > > > if " Tim " is doing fine... > > > > the world is doing fine! > > Well-said. > you think that i would care about an imaginary " Tim " ...who take himself for " enlightened " ....?.... lol .... the reason we are all here, is fun .... and i hope we all get/have some of It... .... that's all... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > you think that i would care about an imaginary " Tim " ...who take > himself for " enlightened " ....?.... Not only is he imaginary, but he's imaginarily taking himself as 'enlightened' as well ;-). " Enlightenment " , if there can be said to be such a thing, is not to " take oneself " at all. > lol > > ... > > the reason we are all here, is fun > > ... Indeed so... and I find it fun to spout about nonduality. If ya don't like it, skip over my messages... but I say you do like it, even if only to complain, which is enjoyed :-p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > you think that i would care about an imaginary " Tim " ...who take > > himself for " enlightened " ....?.... > > Not only is he imaginary, but he's imaginarily taking himself as 'enlightened' as well ;-). > > " Enlightenment " , if there can be said to be such a thing, is not to " take oneself " at all. > > > lol > > > > ... > > > > the reason we are all here, is fun > > > > ... > > Indeed so... and I find it fun to spout about nonduality. If ya don't like it, skip over my messages... but I say you do like it, even if only to complain, which is enjoyed :-p. > sure....whenever i feel to play some nice non-dual worldly games....i read your messages..... .... wait....i remember the joke of today..... .... about Ramana to be " dead " ..... .... lol Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > > What is taken to be Marc, isn't Marc. What is taken to be Tim, isn't Tim. What is taken to be a description of the sky, isn't the sky. > > > > > And this idea makes non-dualists into self-stupifiers. They make themselves stupid. > > They make themselves stupid because they take their nice non-dual > philosophy as reality which it is in no way. It is just a > philosophy. " As long as you believe only the particular to be real, conscious and happy and reject the non-dual reality as something imagined, an abstract concept, you will find me doling out concepts and abstractions. But once you have touched the real within your own being, you will find me describing what for you is the nearest and the dearest. " -- Nisargadatta, from " I Am That " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Self " and " other " are identical twins. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody cares about anybody else, because there is nobody else -- for anybody. > > > > > > > > > > > > To care about someone else, is to care about oneself. > > > > > > > > > > > > To seek love from somebody else, is to seek to love somebody else. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Self " and " other " are the exact same momentum. > > > > > > > > > > > > And in their absence -- there is nobody. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where there is Self.....or/as Ramana....or/as Ramakrishna....or/as Nis.,.....etc > > > > > > > > > > there is nobody and nothing else for real > > > > > > > > There is no Ramana, no Ramakrishna, no Nis., and they are not the Self. > > > > > > > > Look to what is perceiving or sensing or thinking about these, here and now... that is the Self, there is no other. > > > > > > > > > > ohhhhh.....you are a real hero, Tim! > > > > > > look....there is no Marc too! > > > > > > lol > > > > What is taken to be Marc, isn't Marc. What is taken to be Tim, isn't Tim. What is taken to be a description of the sky, isn't the sky. > > > > > And this idea makes non-dualists into self-stupifiers. They make themselves stupid. > > They make themselves stupid because they take their nice non-dual philosophy as reality which it is in no way. It is just a philosophy. > > What non-duaist no longer see: > > 1) There are as many realities as there are people. There is no such thing as an universal absolute reality. > > 2) We are social beings and are interacting with othes by using strategies which are aimed to help to survive. > > The motivation when using the non-dual philosophy to deny the existence of 'others' is to escape all painful and confusing conflicts when innteracting with those 'others'. > > That's why one can call non-dualists just to be escapists. > > Werner > yes, there are as many realities as there are people a super ego is fighting/concerned always with/about many of other realities and people .... for one very good reason .... 3 possibilities: 1) one fight and is doing the same as others do 2) one fight such attitudes of appearent non-sense 3) one just go away...leave the battlefield ..... only the one leaving the battlefield could discover " something else " .... some never have left any battlefield some sometimes left or fighted some appearent non-sense in fights some forever have left the battlefield ..... maybe we have a mixture of it here.... ....on the battlefield Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > What non-duaist no longer see: > > > > 1) There are as many realities as there are people. I say there are no verbal realities at all, and so there are as many falsehoods as there are people. Although all these falsehoods are based on the same " self/other " mechanism, which is in turn based on taking memory and projection as truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > Yes, Tim, and thanks for that Nis excerpt which I appreciate. > > Do you see your mind's trick ? > > Nis practiced for three years several hours a day to concentrate on and to observe the 'I am' til he realized his own non-exsitence, to be the unborn. > > But you are just licking the honey of Nis's findings and you never > have done the tedious work which Nis did. Oh, haven't I? Tell me what work I've done, and haven't done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, Tim, and thanks for that Nis excerpt which I appreciate. > > > > Do you see your mind's trick ? > > > > Nis practiced for three years several hours a day to concentrate on and to observe the 'I am' til he realized his own non-exsitence, to be the unborn. > > > > But you are just licking the honey of Nis's findings and you never > > have done the tedious work which Nis did. > > Oh, haven't I? > > Tell me what work I've done, and haven't done. > You are escaping again, Tim. There is no need to fear me Tim, you just have to fear yourself and all your proud self-deception when clamping at your non-dual nonsense. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes, Tim, and thanks for that Nis excerpt which I appreciate. > > > > > > Do you see your mind's trick ? > > > > > > Nis practiced for three years several hours a day to concentrate on and to observe the 'I am' til he realized his own non-exsitence, to be the unborn. > > > > > > But you are just licking the honey of Nis's findings and you never > > > have done the tedious work which Nis did. > > > > Oh, haven't I? > > > > Tell me what work I've done, and haven't done. > > > > > You are escaping again, Tim. > > There is no need to fear me Tim, you just have to fear yourself and > all your proud self-deception when clamping at your non-dual > nonsense. > > Werner I'm so afraid of a name appearing on a computer screen " Werner " , a total stranger who isn't here, who I don't know and will never know... LOL. You're a silly fellow, Werner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Tim, and thanks for that Nis excerpt which I appreciate. > > > > > > > > Do you see your mind's trick ? > > > > > > > > Nis practiced for three years several hours a day to concentrate on and to observe the 'I am' til he realized his own non-exsitence, to be the unborn. > > > > > > > > But you are just licking the honey of Nis's findings and you never > > > > have done the tedious work which Nis did. > > > > > > Oh, haven't I? > > > > > > Tell me what work I've done, and haven't done. > > > > > > > > > You are escaping again, Tim. > > > > There is no need to fear me Tim, you just have to fear yourself and > all your proud self-deception when clamping at your non-dual > > nonsense. > > > > Werner > > I'm so afraid of a name appearing on a computer screen " Werner " , a total stranger who isn't here, who I don't know and will never know... LOL. > > You're a silly fellow, Werner. > hey hey, Master Tim! an enlightened being shouldn't see any Other " silly " fellow .... lol Marc Ps: grandiose ce cinema! the movie called: " the silly fellowers of nobody at all! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > hey hey, Master Tim! > > an enlightened being shouldn't see any Other " silly " fellow > ... > > lol > > > Marc Well, feel free to tell that to any imagined " enlightened beings " you meet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > hey hey, Master Tim! > > > > an enlightened being shouldn't see any Other " silly " fellow > > ... > > > > lol > > > > > > Marc > > Well, feel free to tell that to any imagined " enlightened beings " you meet. > imagine the world would be filled up with such " enlightened " beings....hiding behind a computer.... how could we name it...?.. hell? lol Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > hey hey, Master Tim! > > > > > > an enlightened being shouldn't see any Other " silly " fellow > > > ... > > > > > > lol > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > Well, feel free to tell that to any imagined " enlightened beings " you meet. > > > > imagine the world would be filled up with such " enlightened " beings....hiding behind a computer.... > > how could we name it...?.. > > hell? > > lol > > Marc I dunno... you could tell them how not to " hide behind a computer " when on the Internet, that would be a start ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > hey hey, Master Tim! > > > > > > > > an enlightened being shouldn't see any Other " silly " fellow > > > > ... > > > > > > > > lol > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Well, feel free to tell that to any imagined " enlightened beings " you meet. > > > > > > > imagine the world would be filled up with such " enlightened " beings....hiding behind a computer.... > > > > how could we name it...?.. > > > > hell? > > > > lol > > > > Marc > > I dunno... you could tell them how not to " hide behind a computer " when on the Internet, that would be a start ;-). > ohhhh Tim.....do you believe that there is another life....beside hiding as enlightened being behind a computer....? lol Marc Ps: now...ok, i don't realy expect any answer.... i just asked.... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hey hey, Master Tim! > > > > > > > > > > an enlightened being shouldn't see any Other " silly " fellow > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > lol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Well, feel free to tell that to any imagined " enlightened beings " you meet. > > > > > > > > > > imagine the world would be filled up with such " enlightened " beings....hiding behind a computer.... > > > > > > how could we name it...?.. > > > > > > hell? > > > > > > lol > > > > > > Marc > > > > I dunno... you could tell them how not to " hide behind a computer " when on the Internet, that would be a start ;-). > > > > ohhhh Tim.....do you believe that there is another life....beside > hiding as enlightened being behind a computer....? I told you, I'm not an enlightened being. But if ya wanna believe it... better listen closely then, instead of bitching (heheheh). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > ....non-dual nonsense. > -werny- > > Werner, if non-duality is nonsense means there is more then one. Can you enumerate them? > -geo- Verbal nonduality *is* nonsense. But it is nonsense that can 'point' to no-nonsense, and in that regard it can be useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > ....non-dual nonsense. > -werny- > > Werner, if non-duality is nonsense means there is more then one. Can you enumerate them? > -geo- > Yes, I can Geo, but not to you because you are no serious person but just a funny fault-finder. A waste of time. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > ....non-dual nonsense. > > -werny- > > > > Werner, if non-duality is nonsense means there is more then one. Can you enumerate them? > > -geo- > > > > > Yes, I can Geo, but not to you because you are no serious person but just a funny fault-finder. > > A waste of time. > > Werner So faulty he is, being a fault-finder... eh? Werner? ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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