Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > ........... > > > > Instead of calling you insane I expressed my hope that you are not. > > > > And this 'eventual insanity' was refering to your never ending absolutistic belief that 'I am you and you are me'. > > > > Werner > > All Werner seems to have to offer are insults, insinuations and accusations. > > One can't talk to such a fellow, it just doesn't work. Sorry, Werner... I'm not interested past this point. It's a surprise anybody talks to ya at all, quite honestly, with the extreme negativity and constant ego-challenges. > Don't throw temper tantrums and stop playing the offended boy, Tim. Better read this: You are consciousness. This statement tries to tell that consciousness is totally subjective. Each object projected on your retina gets associated and intepreted by your past, by your memory. It does not get associated with my meomory, with my past. When you look at a house then you are not that house. The house just gets intepreted by you subjective past. When you look at a tree then you are not that tree. When you look at a car you are not that car. And when you look at a person you are also not that person. The person just gets interpreted by your past, gets coloured and painted by your past. You are neither the house nor are you the tree and you also are not that person you look at. You simply don't exist. Consciousness (or the I am) is all there is. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ........... > > > > > > Instead of calling you insane I expressed my hope that you are not. > > > > > > And this 'eventual insanity' was refering to your never ending absolutistic belief that 'I am you and you are me'. > > > > > > Werner > > > > All Werner seems to have to offer are insults, insinuations and accusations. > > > > One can't talk to such a fellow, it just doesn't work. Sorry, Werner... I'm not interested past this point. It's a surprise anybody talks to ya at all, quite honestly, with the extreme negativity and constant ego-challenges. > > > > > Don't throw temper tantrums and stop playing the offended boy, Tim. > > Better read this: > > You are consciousness. This statement tries to tell that consciousness is totally subjective. Each object projected on your retina gets associated and intepreted by your past, by your memory. > > It does not get associated with my meomory, with my past. > > When you look at a house then you are not that house. The house just gets intepreted by you subjective past. > > When you look at a tree then you are not that tree. > > When you look at a car you are not that car. > > And when you look at a person you are also not that person. > > The person just gets interpreted by your past, gets coloured and painted by your past. > > You are neither the house nor are you the tree and you also are not that person you look at. > > You simply don't exist. Consciousness (or the I am) is all there is. > > Werner > So, Werner, when you look at Tim.... Is Tim interpreted by your past, gets coloured and painted by your past? Was/is it " Tim " " who " think/thought once that he is this tree or that person he is looking at....or is/was it once Werner?.... ..... would say.... " whoever " see some insanity in whoever.... and " whoever " see some world to be saved.... ....is seeing him/herself (by his/her memory) .... isn't it the case for you too, Werner?... .... Marc Ps: you Are your consciousness it's of non-sense to declare that such consciousness simply don't exist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Don't throw temper tantrums and stop playing the offended boy, Tim. All is well here, Werner... really. " What's here " is grounded in reality, which is why it is so solid, so certain, so unaffected by words. Werner, otoh, is " grounded " in unreality, which is why it all seems so flimsy, and why there's talk of mental hospitals, constant hostility, constant worry, etc. It's really quite simple. I can't help you, and you can't help yourself. What's there is going to have to fall apart, and it won't be pretty. Peace... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........... > > > > > > > > Instead of calling you insane I expressed my hope that you are not. > > > > > > > > And this 'eventual insanity' was refering to your never ending absolutistic belief that 'I am you and you are me'. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > All Werner seems to have to offer are insults, insinuations and accusations. > > > > > > One can't talk to such a fellow, it just doesn't work. Sorry, Werner... I'm not interested past this point. It's a surprise anybody talks to ya at all, quite honestly, with the extreme negativity and constant ego-challenges. > > > > > > > > > Don't throw temper tantrums and stop playing the offended boy, Tim. > > > > Better read this: > > > > You are consciousness. This statement tries to tell that consciousness is totally subjective. Each object projected on your retina gets associated and intepreted by your past, by your memory. > > > > It does not get associated with my meomory, with my past. > > > > When you look at a house then you are not that house. The house just gets intepreted by you subjective past. > > > > When you look at a tree then you are not that tree. > > > > When you look at a car you are not that car. > > > > And when you look at a person you are also not that person. > > > > The person just gets interpreted by your past, gets coloured and painted by your past. > > > > You are neither the house nor are you the tree and you also are not that person you look at. > > > > You simply don't exist. Consciousness (or the I am) is all there is. > > > > Werner > > > So, Werner, when you look at Tim.... > > Is Tim interpreted by your past, gets coloured and painted by your past? > > Was/is it " Tim " " who " think/thought once that he is this tree or that person he is looking at....or is/was it once Werner?.... > > .... > > would say.... " whoever " see some insanity in whoever.... > > and > > " whoever " see some world to be saved.... > > ...is seeing him/herself (by his/her memory) > > ... > > isn't it the case for you too, Werner?... > > ... > No problem with that, Marc. I several times affirmed Tim the he is right that we only can see in another what our own past material allows to see. But that was not my point. My point was that our brain greatly is capable to differ between ourselves and the other who got intepreted by our past material. If you see a car, are you that car ? If you see another person, are you that person ? Werner > > > > Marc > > > Ps: you Are your consciousness > > it's of non-sense to declare that such consciousness simply don't exist > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........... > > > > > > > > > > Instead of calling you insane I expressed my hope that you are not. > > > > > > > > > > And this 'eventual insanity' was refering to your never ending absolutistic belief that 'I am you and you are me'. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > All Werner seems to have to offer are insults, insinuations and accusations. > > > > > > > > One can't talk to such a fellow, it just doesn't work. Sorry, Werner... I'm not interested past this point. It's a surprise anybody talks to ya at all, quite honestly, with the extreme negativity and constant ego-challenges. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't throw temper tantrums and stop playing the offended boy, Tim. > > > > > > Better read this: > > > > > > You are consciousness. This statement tries to tell that consciousness is totally subjective. Each object projected on your retina gets associated and intepreted by your past, by your memory. > > > > > > It does not get associated with my meomory, with my past. > > > > > > When you look at a house then you are not that house. The house just gets intepreted by you subjective past. > > > > > > When you look at a tree then you are not that tree. > > > > > > When you look at a car you are not that car. > > > > > > And when you look at a person you are also not that person. > > > > > > The person just gets interpreted by your past, gets coloured and painted by your past. > > > > > > You are neither the house nor are you the tree and you also are not that person you look at. > > > > > > You simply don't exist. Consciousness (or the I am) is all there is. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > So, Werner, when you look at Tim.... > > > > Is Tim interpreted by your past, gets coloured and painted by your past? > > > > Was/is it " Tim " " who " think/thought once that he is this tree or that person he is looking at....or is/was it once Werner?.... > > > > .... > > > > would say.... " whoever " see some insanity in whoever.... > > > > and > > > > " whoever " see some world to be saved.... > > > > ...is seeing him/herself (by his/her memory) > > > > ... > > > > isn't it the case for you too, Werner?... > > > > ... > > > > > No problem with that, Marc. > > I several times affirmed Tim the he is right that we only can see in another what our own past material allows to see. > > But that was not my point. > > My point was that our brain greatly is capable to differ between ourselves and the other who got intepreted by our past material. > > If you see a car, are you that car ? > If you see another person, are you that person ? > > Werner > > > > > > > > >ok, right! even if one is most nondualist...like all are....and ever have been..... still, it doesn't happen that one become a car, true! " the car " is just an appearent form of ourself...(of our formless being)....we are trapped in for a while...for some reason of memory etc Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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