Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Many times you have heard nondual teachers say, consciousness is everything, but they take for granted that consciousness is a primary, not composited faculty. Phenomenologically, consciousness is dependent on memory. Imagine that you had no short memory at all, and could not remember anything from second to second. What utility or meaning would consciousness have then? Even perceiving the ceiling of your room on waking up with what you think is direct perception, is not that direct and pure. Embedded in the perception is the memory of what a ceiling is. The sight doesn't provoke the doubt, or curiosity that the seeing of something unfamiliar brings. You saw pure perception only once, and only for a few seconds. That terrible encounter happened at the moment of birth, and you screamed in terror. And that scream was a cry, a demand for meaning. Now, perception is pregnant with meaning. Even direct, un-narrated, unexplained, thoughtless perception is shaped by meaning. Form is the outline of visual meaning. Without meaning form dissolves into chaos- a landscape of blobs, splotches, and splatters of light and colors. Sometimes, on waking up, I behold such world for a few seconds. Only the visual color center of the brain seems to be functioning. The rest of the brain is not engaged. My room appears as a flat chaotic mosaic of color devoid of any meaning. There is no clue of being a Pete, or human, or even an animal. The whole world is a swirling chaos of colors. Then, a flash of panic jolts the brain, and meaning returns. I know that's what I saw at birth, and then the scream came as a cry for meaning, and meaning came in the guise of a touch- the touch of human hands, the warmth of blankets, the sound of soothing voices, And consciousness was rescued from chaos, and sent on its journey to being human. Pete ===Pete, you'd like Wilfred Sellars' _Empiricism and the Philosophy of Mind_. One of the most important (Western) philosophy books in the 20th century. He talks about the " Myth of the Given, " arguing basically that there is no such thing as a pure, non-relational, unmediated experience of any kind. --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Many times you have heard nondual teachers say, > consciousness is everything, but they take for > granted that consciousness is a primary, not > composited faculty. Phenomenologically, consciousness > is dependent on memory. Consciousness cannot be dependent on memory because that would mean that consciousness exists as a separate agent but is dependent on memory. But that is not the case. Consciousness IS memory ! What one is experiencing as consciousness is the firing of memory cells. It is this firing activity of memory cells we call consciousness. > Imagine that you had no short > memory at all, and could not remember anything from > second to second. What utility or meaning would > consciousness have then? Even perceiving the ceiling > of your room on waking up with what you think is direct > perception, is not that direct and pure. Embedded in the > perception is the memory of what a ceiling is. The sight > doesn't provoke the doubt, or curiosity that the seeing of > something unfamiliar brings. > > You saw pure perception only once, and only for a few seconds. > That terrible encounter happened at the moment of birth, and > you screamed in terror. And that scream was a cry, a demand > for meaning. > > Now, perception is pregnant with meaning. The meaning giving of perception happens because in the short term memory, also called the working memory, several aspects of the same thing which already have been stored as past memory get mixed together into one image and so produce 'meaning'. Werner > Even direct, > un-narrated, unexplained, thoughtless perception is shaped > by meaning. Form is the outline of visual meaning. Without > meaning form dissolves into chaos- a landscape of blobs, > splotches, and splatters of light and colors. Sometimes, on waking > up, I behold such world for a few seconds. Only the visual color > center of the brain seems to be functioning. The rest of the > brain is not engaged. My room appears as a flat chaotic mosaic > of color devoid of any meaning. There is no clue of being a Pete, > or human, or even an animal. The whole world is a swirling > chaos of colors. Then, a flash of panic jolts the brain, and > meaning returns. I know that's what I saw at birth, and then > the scream came as a cry for meaning, and meaning > came in the guise of a touch- the touch of human hands, > the warmth of blankets, the sound of soothing voices, And > consciousness was rescued from chaos, and sent on its journey > to being human. > > Pete > > ===Pete, you'd like Wilfred Sellars' _Empiricism and the Philosophy > of Mind_. One of the most important (Western) philosophy books in > the 20th century. He talks about the " Myth of the Given, " arguing > basically that there is no such thing as a pure, non-relational, > unmediated experience of any kind. > > --Greg > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Many times you have heard nondual teachers say, > > consciousness is everything, but they take for > > granted that consciousness is a primary, not > > composited faculty. Phenomenologically, consciousness > > is dependent on memory. > > >W: Consciousness cannot be dependent on memory because that would mean that consciousness exists as a separate agent but is dependent on memory. Werner, if you read your statement above carefully, you will see that it affirms something that is false, plus it's arguing about something I didn't write. Your statement seems to conclude that separate agents cannot depend on anything but themselves to exist. Since I know that you are writing about neurology, and not about ontology your statement is false since being conscious depends on blood supply to the brain, if your blood pressure gets too low you'll pass out. Besides, I didn't write that consciousness is a separate agent, on the contrary, I wrote it's a composited faculty. So you are arguing against your own misunderstanding of my words. > > W: But that is not the case. Consciousness IS memory ! P: I know you like to think so, but people that do not remember shit, are still conscious. True, without memory whatever one perceives has little or no meaning. I said as much, but that doesn't mean they are one and the same. > >W; What one is experiencing as consciousness is the firing of memory cells. It is this firing activity of memory cells we call consciousness. P: Yes, memory cells fire if we are conscious, and salivary glands salivate when we eat, but we don't chew food with our saliva, we need teeth and tongue too. You're being too simplistic. No one knows for sure how the brain creates consciousness. NNB > > > Imagine that you had no short > > memory at all, and could not remember anything from > > second to second. What utility or meaning would > > consciousness have then? Even perceiving the ceiling > > of your room on waking up with what you think is direct > > perception, is not that direct and pure. Embedded in the > > perception is the memory of what a ceiling is. The sight > > doesn't provoke the doubt, or curiosity that the seeing of > > something unfamiliar brings. > > > > You saw pure perception only once, and only for a few seconds. > > That terrible encounter happened at the moment of birth, and > > you screamed in terror. And that scream was a cry, a demand > > for meaning. > > > > Now, perception is pregnant with meaning. > > > The meaning giving of perception happens because in the short term memory, also called the working memory, several aspects of the same thing which already have been stored as past memory get mixed together into one image and so produce 'meaning'. > > Werner > > > > Even direct, > > un-narrated, unexplained, thoughtless perception is shaped > > by meaning. Form is the outline of visual meaning. Without > > meaning form dissolves into chaos- a landscape of blobs, > > splotches, and splatters of light and colors. Sometimes, on waking > > up, I behold such world for a few seconds. Only the visual color > > center of the brain seems to be functioning. The rest of the > > brain is not engaged. My room appears as a flat chaotic mosaic > > of color devoid of any meaning. There is no clue of being a Pete, > > or human, or even an animal. The whole world is a swirling > > chaos of colors. Then, a flash of panic jolts the brain, and > > meaning returns. I know that's what I saw at birth, and then > > the scream came as a cry for meaning, and meaning > > came in the guise of a touch- the touch of human hands, > > the warmth of blankets, the sound of soothing voices, And > > consciousness was rescued from chaos, and sent on its journey > > to being human. > > > > Pete > > > > ===Pete, you'd like Wilfred Sellars' _Empiricism and the Philosophy > > of Mind_. One of the most important (Western) philosophy books in > > the 20th century. He talks about the " Myth of the Given, " arguing > > basically that there is no such thing as a pure, non-relational, > > unmediated experience of any kind. > > > > --Greg > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Many times you have heard nondual teachers say, > > > consciousness is everything, but they take for > > > granted that consciousness is a primary, not > > > composited faculty. Phenomenologically, consciousness > > > is dependent on memory. > > > > > >W: Consciousness cannot be dependent on memory because that would mean that consciousness exists as a separate agent but is dependent on memory. > > Werner, if you read your statement above carefully, you > will see that it affirms something that is false, plus > it's arguing about something I didn't write. > > Your statement seems to conclude that separate agents > cannot depend on anything but themselves to exist. Since > I know that you are writing about neurology, and not about > ontology your statement is false since being conscious > depends on blood supply to the brain, if your blood > pressure gets too low you'll pass out. Besides, I didn't > write that consciousness is a separate agent, on the contrary, > I wrote it's a composited faculty. So you are arguing against > your own misunderstanding of my words. > > > > W: But that is not the case. Consciousness IS memory ! > > P: I know you like to think so, but people that do not > remember shit, are still conscious. True, without > memory whatever one perceives has little or no meaning. > I said as much, but that doesn't mean they are one and > the same. > > > >W; What one is experiencing as consciousness is the firing of memory cells. It is this firing activity of memory cells we call consciousness. > Read this Pete: Consciousness itself is clearly quite a controversial and subjective topic. It is thought to involve both the modern neocortex found in all higher mammals (cats, dolphins, elephants, etc) as well as certain profoundly developed sections of the brain stem only found in humans. These " overdeveloped " sections, along with the extremely pronounced encephalization and connectivity of the human forebrain, may account for our superior communicative and innovative capabilities, as well as our unique ability to harness and control emotions. But can these traits be called consciousness? Science has proven at least the existence, if not the clear definition, of consciousness. We know that people lose and regain it; that specific neuropathologies correspond with specific deficits in consciousness; and that conscious activities are impossible if key neural structures are lost. All of these ingredients indicate the presence of a direct link between the mind, human awareness, and the physical brain. Yet the subtleties of this link are still largely unknown, and questions regarding it may stump neuroscientists, psychologists, and philosophers for many years to come. Recent brain studies investigating the electromagnetic theory of consciousness explores the possibility that the electromagnetic field generated by the brain is the actual carrier of conscious experience. The starting point for the theory is the fact that every time a neuron fires it also generates a disturbance to the surrounding electromagnetic (EM) field. Information coded in neuron firing patterns accounts for how information located in millions of neurons scattered throughout the brain can be unified into a single conscious experience:the information is unified in the EM field. When neurons fire together their EM fields combine to generate stronger EM field disturbances; so synchronous neuron firing will tend to have a bigger impact on the brain's EM field (and thereby consciousness) than the firing of individual neurons. Different EM field theories disagree as to the roleof the proposed conscious EM field on brain function. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Many times you have heard nondual teachers say, > > > > consciousness is everything, but they take for > > > > granted that consciousness is a primary, not > > > > composited faculty. Phenomenologically, consciousness > > > > is dependent on memory. > > > > > > > > >W: Consciousness cannot be dependent on memory because that would mean that consciousness exists as a separate agent but is dependent on memory. > > > > Werner, if you read your statement above carefully, you > > will see that it affirms something that is false, plus > > it's arguing about something I didn't write. > > > > Your statement seems to conclude that separate agents > > cannot depend on anything but themselves to exist. Since > > I know that you are writing about neurology, and not about > > ontology your statement is false since being conscious > > depends on blood supply to the brain, if your blood > > pressure gets too low you'll pass out. Besides, I didn't > > write that consciousness is a separate agent, on the contrary, > > I wrote it's a composited faculty. So you are arguing against > > your own misunderstanding of my words. > > > > > > W: But that is not the case. Consciousness IS memory ! > > > > P: I know you like to think so, but people that do not > > remember shit, are still conscious. True, without > > memory whatever one perceives has little or no meaning. > > I said as much, but that doesn't mean they are one and > > the same. > > > > > >W; What one is experiencing as consciousness is the firing of memory cells. It is this firing activity of memory cells we call consciousness. > > > > > Read this Pete: > > Consciousness itself is clearly quite a controversial and subjective topic. It is thought to involve both the modern neocortex found in all higher mammals (cats, dolphins, elephants, etc) as well as certain profoundly developed sections of the brain stem only found in humans. These " overdeveloped " sections, along with the extremely pronounced encephalization and connectivity of the human forebrain, may account for our superior communicative and innovative capabilities, as well as our unique ability to harness and control emotions. But can these traits be called consciousness? > > Science has proven at least the existence, if not the clear definition, of consciousness. We know that people lose and regain it; that specific neuropathologies correspond with specific deficits in consciousness; and that conscious activities are impossible if key neural structures are lost. All of these ingredients indicate the presence of a direct link between the mind, human awareness, and the physical brain. Yet the subtleties of this link are still largely unknown, and questions regarding it may stump neuroscientists, psychologists, and philosophers for many years to come. > > Recent brain studies investigating the electromagnetic theory of consciousness explores the possibility that the electromagnetic field generated by the brain is the actual carrier of conscious experience. The starting point for the theory is the fact that every time a neuron > fires it also generates a disturbance to the surrounding electromagnetic (EM) field. Information coded in neuron firing patterns accounts for how information located in millions of neurons scattered throughout the brain can be unified into a single conscious experience:the information is unified in the EM field. When neurons fire together their EM fields combine to generate stronger EM field disturbances; so synchronous neuron firing will tend to have a bigger impact on the brain's EM field (and thereby consciousness) than the firing of individual neurons. Different EM field theories disagree as to the roleof the proposed conscious EM field on brain function. > > Werner P: Sounds like a plausible theory to me. Who wrote it? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Many times you have heard nondual teachers say, > > > > > consciousness is everything, but they take for > > > > > granted that consciousness is a primary, not > > > > > composited faculty. Phenomenologically, consciousness > > > > > is dependent on memory. > > > > > > > > > > > >W: Consciousness cannot be dependent on memory because that would mean that consciousness exists as a separate agent but is dependent on memory. > > > > > > Werner, if you read your statement above carefully, you > > > will see that it affirms something that is false, plus > > > it's arguing about something I didn't write. > > > > > > Your statement seems to conclude that separate agents > > > cannot depend on anything but themselves to exist. Since > > > I know that you are writing about neurology, and not about > > > ontology your statement is false since being conscious > > > depends on blood supply to the brain, if your blood > > > pressure gets too low you'll pass out. Besides, I didn't > > > write that consciousness is a separate agent, on the contrary, > > > I wrote it's a composited faculty. So you are arguing against > > > your own misunderstanding of my words. > > > > > > > > W: But that is not the case. Consciousness IS memory ! > > > > > > P: I know you like to think so, but people that do not > > > remember shit, are still conscious. True, without > > > memory whatever one perceives has little or no meaning. > > > I said as much, but that doesn't mean they are one and > > > the same. > > > > > > > >W; What one is experiencing as consciousness is the firing of memory cells. It is this firing activity of memory cells we call consciousness. > > > > > > > > > Read this Pete: > > > > Consciousness itself is clearly quite a controversial and subjective topic. It is thought to involve both the modern neocortex found in all higher mammals (cats, dolphins, elephants, etc) as well as certain profoundly developed sections of the brain stem only found in humans. These " overdeveloped " sections, along with the extremely pronounced encephalization and connectivity of the human forebrain, may account for our superior communicative and innovative capabilities, as well as our unique ability to harness and control emotions. But can these traits be called consciousness? > > > > Science has proven at least the existence, if not the clear definition, of consciousness. We know that people lose and regain it; that specific neuropathologies correspond with specific deficits in consciousness; and that conscious activities are impossible if key neural structures are lost. All of these ingredients indicate the presence of a direct link between the mind, human awareness, and the physical brain. Yet the subtleties of this link are still largely unknown, and questions regarding it may stump neuroscientists, psychologists, and philosophers for many years to come. > > > > Recent brain studies investigating the electromagnetic theory of consciousness explores the possibility that the electromagnetic field generated by the brain is the actual carrier of conscious experience. The starting point for the theory is the fact that every time a neuron > > fires it also generates a disturbance to the surrounding electromagnetic (EM) field. Information coded in neuron firing patterns accounts for how information located in millions of neurons scattered throughout the brain can be unified into a single conscious experience:the information is unified in the EM field. When neurons fire together their EM fields combine to generate stronger EM field disturbances; so synchronous neuron firing will tend to have a bigger impact on the brain's EM field (and thereby consciousness) than the firing of individual neurons. Different EM field theories disagree as to the roleof the proposed conscious EM field on brain function. > > > > Werner > > P: Sounds like a plausible theory to me. Who wrote > it? > > > Hi Pete, More here: http://www.memoryzine.com/whatisconsciousness.html Just rememeber that consciousness IS memory. Once you found that track, everything else falls in. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 > > > > P: Sounds like a plausible theory to me. Who wrote > > it? > > > > > > > > Hi Pete, > > More here: > > http://www.memoryzine.com/whatisconsciousness.html > > Just rememeber that consciousness IS memory. Once you found that track, everything else falls in. > > Werner P: LOL! The guy's name is Dr. Memory? And he sells memory products? Well, the theory still sounds good, even if the writer is a snake oil salesman. And no, consciousness is not just memory. Sorry, can't remember that. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 > > Just rememeber that consciousness IS memory. Once you found that track, > everything else falls in. > > Werner geo> Consciousness is memory. And memory stores things/data that are not consciousness. I have fallen in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > Just rememeber that consciousness IS memory. Once you found that track, > > everything else falls in. > > > > Werner > > > geo> Consciousness is memory. And memory stores things/data that are not > consciousness. I have fallen in... > Most of memory is in no way consciousness, funny Geo. But consciousness IS memory. The only you have fallen in was in your usual need to produce nonsense argumentation. Clap, clap, clap ... Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Just rememeber that consciousness IS memory. Once you found that track, > > > everything else falls in. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > geo> Consciousness is memory. And memory stores things/data that are not > > consciousness. I have fallen in... > > > > > > > Most of memory is in no way consciousness, funny Geo. But consciousness IS memory. > > The only you have fallen in was in your usual need to produce nonsense > argumentation. > > Clap, clap, clap ... > > Werner > It's difficult to speak of this inherent knowing that has returned to us... To speak with the agility of an unfettered mind and the grace that is given to us this moment to do with it what we will. And yet... ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Monday, November 02, 2009 9:29 AM > Re: Memory is All > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Just rememeber that consciousness IS memory. Once you found that track, > > > everything else falls in. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > geo> Consciousness is memory. And memory stores things/data that are not > > consciousness. I have fallen in... > > > > Most of memory is in no way consciousness, funny Geo. But consciousness IS > memeory. > > Werner > > And the rest - which is not consciousness - is what? Don't try to escape, as > always, by saying that geo wants to argue. That is just your excuse. > Don't bring some link to read either. It is all very simple. Just give a > simple answer. > -geo- > sometimes it's difficult....and too easy....to just remember that we are infinite, changeless and formless.... memory isn't only about forms....internet sites....books and books.....scriptures and scriptures.....scientists and scientists.... " Krishnamurti " ......lakes, poems and flowers....etc ..... All there Is.....within form and formlessness.... .... Is memory .... Marc Ps: nobody can escape such memory ....means, even if you deeply believe in this your limited existence, limited knowledge, ignorance etc.... this doesn't make you loose WHO you ARE....and ever have been Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 - wwoehr Nisargadatta Monday, November 02, 2009 9:29 AM Re: Memory is All Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > Just rememeber that consciousness IS memory. Once you found that track, > > everything else falls in. > > > > Werner > > > geo> Consciousness is memory. And memory stores things/data that are not > consciousness. I have fallen in... > Most of memory is in no way consciousness, funny Geo. But consciousness IS memeory. Werner And the rest - which is not consciousness - is what? Don't try to escape, as always, by saying that geo wants to argue. That is just your excuse. Don't bring some link to read either. It is all very simple. Just give a simple answer. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 > Recent brain studies investigating the electromagnetic theory of consciousness explores the possibility that the electromagnetic field generated by the brain is the actual carrier of conscious experience. The starting > point for the theory is the fact that every time a neuron> fires it also generates a disturbance to the surrounding electromagnetic (EM) field. Information coded in neuron firing patterns accounts for how information located in millions of neurons scattered throughout the > brain can be unified into a single conscious experience:the information is unified in the EM field. When neurons fire together their EM fields combine to generate stronger EM field disturbances; so synchronous neuron > firing will tend to have a bigger impact on the brain's EM field (and thereby consciousness) than the firing of individual neurons. Different EM field theories disagree as to the roleof the proposed conscious EM field > on brain function.> Werner Hi Werner, Please tell me, what IS a neuron? Thanks! ~M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Monday, November 02, 2009 11:12 AM Re: Re: Memory is All - wwoehr Nisargadatta Monday, November 02, 2009 9:29 AM Re: Memory is All Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > Just rememeber that consciousness IS memory. Once you found that track, > > everything else falls in. > > > > Werner > > > geo> Consciousness is memory. And memory stores things/data that are not > consciousness. I have fallen in... > Most of memory is in no way consciousness, funny Geo. But consciousness IS memeory. Werner And the rest - which is not consciousness - is what? Don't try to escape, as always, by saying that geo wants to argue. That is just your excuse. Don't bring some link to read either. It is all very simple. Just give a simple answer. You see werner...you think I am only picking on you but that is not the case. All my posts to you verse about the same thing, the same contradiction. In one hand you say there is nothing beyond consciousness, that that is crap, and then you say things like " most of memory is in no way consciousness... " Does that not imply that there is something other then consciousness? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > > Recent brain studies investigating the electromagnetic theory of consciousness explores the possibility that the electromagnetic field generated by the brain is the actual carrier of conscious experience. The starting > point for the theory is the fact that every time a neuron > > fires it also generates a disturbance to the surrounding electromagnetic (EM) field. Information coded in neuron firing patterns accounts for how information located in millions of neurons scattered throughout the > brain can be unified into a single conscious experience:the information is unified in the EM field. When neurons fire together their EM fields combine to generate stronger EM field disturbances; so synchronous neuron > firing will tend to have a bigger impact on the brain's EM field (and thereby consciousness) than the firing of individual neurons. Different EM field theories disagree as to the roleof the proposed conscious EM field > on brain function. > > > Werner > > Hi Werner, > > Please tell me, what IS a neuron? Thanks! > > ~M > What a neuron 'IS' is what it does. If you are interested what it does then just use Googel. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Monday, November 02, 2009 2:58 PM > Re: Memory is All > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Recent brain studies investigating the electromagnetic theory of > > > consciousness explores the possibility that the electromagnetic field > > > generated by the brain is the actual carrier of conscious experience. > > > The starting > point for the theory is the fact that every time a neuron > > > fires it also generates a disturbance to the surrounding electromagnetic > > > (EM) field. Information coded in neuron firing patterns accounts for how > > > information located in millions of neurons scattered throughout the > > > > brain can be unified into a single conscious experience:the information > > > is unified in the EM field. When neurons fire together their EM fields > > > combine to generate stronger EM field disturbances; so synchronous > > > neuron > firing will tend to have a bigger impact on the brain's EM > > > field (and thereby consciousness) than the firing of individual neurons. > > > Different EM field theories disagree as to the roleof the proposed > > > conscious EM field > on brain function. > > > > > Werner > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > Please tell me, what IS a neuron? Thanks! > > > > ~M > > > > What a neuron 'IS' is what it does. > > If you are interested what it does then just use Googel. > > Werner > > Werner has a complex. He thinks everybody is picking on him. He does not > realize that this complex is the best excuse his ego found to perpetuate > itself - this way he doesn't have to answer difficult questions. > -geo- > Ay, Geo, why gossipping ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 - wwoehr Nisargadatta Monday, November 02, 2009 2:58 PM Re: Memory is All Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > > Recent brain studies investigating the electromagnetic theory of > > consciousness explores the possibility that the electromagnetic field > > generated by the brain is the actual carrier of conscious experience. > > The starting > point for the theory is the fact that every time a neuron > > fires it also generates a disturbance to the surrounding electromagnetic > > (EM) field. Information coded in neuron firing patterns accounts for how > > information located in millions of neurons scattered throughout the > > > brain can be unified into a single conscious experience:the information > > is unified in the EM field. When neurons fire together their EM fields > > combine to generate stronger EM field disturbances; so synchronous > > neuron > firing will tend to have a bigger impact on the brain's EM > > field (and thereby consciousness) than the firing of individual neurons. > > Different EM field theories disagree as to the roleof the proposed > > conscious EM field > on brain function. > > > Werner > > Hi Werner, > > Please tell me, what IS a neuron? Thanks! > > ~M > What a neuron 'IS' is what it does. If you are interested what it does then just use Googel. Werner Werner has a complex. He thinks everybody is picking on him. He does not realize that this complex is the best excuse his ego found to perpetuate itself - this way he doesn't have to answer difficult questions. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 - wwoehr Nisargadatta Monday, November 02, 2009 3:36 PM Re: Memory is All Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Monday, November 02, 2009 2:58 PM > Re: Memory is All > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Recent brain studies investigating the electromagnetic theory of > > > consciousness explores the possibility that the electromagnetic field > > > generated by the brain is the actual carrier of conscious experience. > > > The starting > point for the theory is the fact that every time a > > > neuron > > > fires it also generates a disturbance to the surrounding > > > electromagnetic > > > (EM) field. Information coded in neuron firing patterns accounts for > > > how > > > information located in millions of neurons scattered throughout the > > > > brain can be unified into a single conscious experience:the > > > information > > > is unified in the EM field. When neurons fire together their EM fields > > > combine to generate stronger EM field disturbances; so synchronous > > > neuron > firing will tend to have a bigger impact on the brain's EM > > > field (and thereby consciousness) than the firing of individual > > > neurons. > > > Different EM field theories disagree as to the roleof the proposed > > > conscious EM field > on brain function. > > > > > Werner > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > Please tell me, what IS a neuron? Thanks! > > > > ~M > > > > What a neuron 'IS' is what it does. > > If you are interested what it does then just use Googel. > > Werner > > Werner has a complex. He thinks everybody is picking on him. He does not > realize that this complex is the best excuse his ego found to perpetuate > itself - this way he doesn't have to answer difficult questions. > -geo- > Ay, Geo, why gossipping ? Werner What gossip???!!! This is an open forum. Everyone reads all posts anyway..... -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Monday, November 02, 2009 3:36 PM > Re: Memory is All > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > wwoehr > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, November 02, 2009 2:58 PM > > Re: Memory is All > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recent brain studies investigating the electromagnetic theory of > > > > consciousness explores the possibility that the electromagnetic field > > > > generated by the brain is the actual carrier of conscious experience. > > > > The starting > point for the theory is the fact that every time a > > > > neuron > > > > fires it also generates a disturbance to the surrounding > > > > electromagnetic > > > > (EM) field. Information coded in neuron firing patterns accounts for > > > > how > > > > information located in millions of neurons scattered throughout the > > > > > brain can be unified into a single conscious experience:the > > > > information > > > > is unified in the EM field. When neurons fire together their EM fields > > > > combine to generate stronger EM field disturbances; so synchronous > > > > neuron > firing will tend to have a bigger impact on the brain's EM > > > > field (and thereby consciousness) than the firing of individual > > > > neurons. > > > > Different EM field theories disagree as to the roleof the proposed > > > > conscious EM field > on brain function. > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > Please tell me, what IS a neuron? Thanks! > > > > > > ~M > > > > > > > What a neuron 'IS' is what it does. > > > > If you are interested what it does then just use Googel. > > > > Werner > > > > Werner has a complex. He thinks everybody is picking on him. He does not > > realize that this complex is the best excuse his ego found to perpetuate > > itself - this way he doesn't have to answer difficult questions. > > -geo- > > > > Ay, Geo, why gossipping ? > > Werner > > What gossip???!!! This is an open forum. Everyone reads all posts > anyway..... > -geo- > maybe Werner should try to write and meet with this loving experts..... wait...i forgot the name of the group... it's one of this HippieSalons.... you know... .... or you forgot?.. .... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > wwoehr > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, November 02, 2009 3:36 PM > > Re: Memory is All > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > wwoehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, November 02, 2009 2:58 PM > > > Re: Memory is All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recent brain studies investigating the electromagnetic theory of > > > > > consciousness explores the possibility that the electromagnetic field > > > > > generated by the brain is the actual carrier of conscious experience. > > > > > The starting > point for the theory is the fact that every time a > > > > > neuron > > > > > fires it also generates a disturbance to the surrounding > > > > > electromagnetic > > > > > (EM) field. Information coded in neuron firing patterns accounts for > > > > > how > > > > > information located in millions of neurons scattered throughout the > > > > > > brain can be unified into a single conscious experience:the > > > > > information > > > > > is unified in the EM field. When neurons fire together their EM fields > > > > > combine to generate stronger EM field disturbances; so synchronous > > > > > neuron > firing will tend to have a bigger impact on the brain's EM > > > > > field (and thereby consciousness) than the firing of individual > > > > > neurons. > > > > > Different EM field theories disagree as to the roleof the proposed > > > > > conscious EM field > on brain function. > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > > > Please tell me, what IS a neuron? Thanks! > > > > > > > > ~M > > > > > > > > > > What a neuron 'IS' is what it does. > > > > > > If you are interested what it does then just use Googel. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Werner has a complex. He thinks everybody is picking on him. He does not > > > realize that this complex is the best excuse his ego found to perpetuate > > > itself - this way he doesn't have to answer difficult questions. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Ay, Geo, why gossipping ? > > > > Werner > > > > What gossip???!!! This is an open forum. Everyone reads all posts > > anyway..... > > -geo- > > > maybe Werner should try to write and meet with this loving experts..... > > wait...i forgot the name of the group... > > it's one of this HippieSalons.... > > you know... > > ... > > or you forgot?.. > > ... > > lol > Ay ladies, still congretating on my shoulders and gossipping your usual yada yada ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > wwoehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, November 02, 2009 3:36 PM > > > Re: Memory is All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > wwoehr > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, November 02, 2009 2:58 PM > > > > Re: Memory is All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recent brain studies investigating the electromagnetic theory of > > > > > > consciousness explores the possibility that the electromagnetic field > > > > > > generated by the brain is the actual carrier of conscious experience. > > > > > > The starting > point for the theory is the fact that every time a > > > > > > neuron > > > > > > fires it also generates a disturbance to the surrounding > > > > > > electromagnetic > > > > > > (EM) field. Information coded in neuron firing patterns accounts for > > > > > > how > > > > > > information located in millions of neurons scattered throughout the > > > > > > > brain can be unified into a single conscious experience:the > > > > > > information > > > > > > is unified in the EM field. When neurons fire together their EM fields > > > > > > combine to generate stronger EM field disturbances; so synchronous > > > > > > neuron > firing will tend to have a bigger impact on the brain's EM > > > > > > field (and thereby consciousness) than the firing of individual > > > > > > neurons. > > > > > > Different EM field theories disagree as to the roleof the proposed > > > > > > conscious EM field > on brain function. > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me, what IS a neuron? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > ~M > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a neuron 'IS' is what it does. > > > > > > > > If you are interested what it does then just use Googel. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Werner has a complex. He thinks everybody is picking on him. He does not > > > > realize that this complex is the best excuse his ego found to perpetuate > > > > itself - this way he doesn't have to answer difficult questions. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Ay, Geo, why gossipping ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > What gossip???!!! This is an open forum. Everyone reads all posts > > > anyway..... > > > -geo- > > > > > maybe Werner should try to write and meet with this loving experts..... > > > > wait...i forgot the name of the group... > > > > it's one of this HippieSalons.... > > > > you know... > > > > ... > > > > or you forgot?.. > > > > ... > > > > lol > > > > > Ay ladies, > > still congretating on my shoulders and gossipping your usual yada yada ? > ladies?... memory problems?... .... yeah....but, Werner... why not joining the HippieSalon?.... talking to the streets etc... .... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 > Hi Werner,> > Please tell me, what IS a neuron? Thanks!> > ~M>> What a neuron 'IS' is what it does.> If you are interested what it does then just use Googel.> Werner Nice try...but no cigar! Now, please tell me what anything, anything at all, whether it's a proces or whatever, or even a "doingness", what it IS. ~M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > Please tell me, what IS a neuron? Thanks! > > > > ~M > > > > > What a neuron 'IS' is what it does. > > If you are interested what it does then just use Googel. > > Werner > > Nice try...but no cigar! Now, please tell me what anything, anything at all, whether it's a proces or whatever, or even a " doingness " , what it IS. > > ~M > I don't need a cigar, Michael, Smoke that cigar yourself and shut up. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 > > Hi Werner,> > Please tell me, what IS a neuron? Thanks! > > ~M> > What a neuron 'IS' is what it does. > > If you are interested what it does then just use Googel.> > Werner> Nice try...but no cigar! Now, please tell me what anything, anything at all, whether it's a proces or whatever, or even a "doingness", what it IS.> ~M > Just smoke that cigar and shut up.> Werner So, given your (lack of) responses to a simple question, either you don't know or ryou efuse to say. My guess is that it's both. And, instead of directly answering the question, you resort to being aggressive and demanding! ~M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > Please tell me, what IS a neuron? Thanks! > > > > ~M > > > What a neuron 'IS' is what it does. > > > > If you are interested what it does then just use Googel. > > > Werner > > > Nice try...but no cigar! Now, please tell me what anything, anything at all, whether it's a proces or whatever, or even a " doingness " , what it IS. > > ~M > > > Just smoke that cigar and shut up. > > Werner > > So, given your (lack of) responses to a simple question, either you don't know or ryou efuse to say. My guess is that it's both. Your guess is just specualtion. Michael. I don't quite see what you want from me or what you want to sell to me. I haven't asked you for anything, or did I ? And I repeat again that that I am not interested in your cigars. Offer your cigars elsewhere. And if you feel aggressive because of my rebuff then that's your problem. Werner > And, instead of directly answering the question, you resort to being aggressive and demanding! > > ~M > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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