Guest guest Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 Questioner: In my daily actions much goes by habit, automatically. I am aware of the general purpose, but not of each movement in detail. As my consciousness broadens and deepens, details tend to recede, leaving me free for the general trends. Does not the same happens to a jnani, but more so? Nisargadatta: On the level of consciousness -- yes. In the supreme state, no. This state is entirely one and indivisible, a single solid block of reality. The only way of knowing it is to be it. The mind cannot reach it. To perceive it does not need the senses; to know it, does not need the mind. -- from " I Am That " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:20 PM tonight's Nisargadatta Questioner: In my daily actions much goes by habit, automatically. I am aware of the general purpose, but not of each movement in detail. As my consciousness broadens and deepens, details tend to recede, leaving me free for the general trends. Does not the same happens to a jnani, but more so? Nisargadatta: On the level of consciousness -- yes. In the supreme state, no. This state is entirely one and indivisible, a single solid block of reality. The only way of knowing it is to be it. The mind cannot reach it. To perceive it does not need the senses; to know it, does not need the mind. -- from " I Am That " How strange...The most obvious gets lost, buried midst little insignificant concerns. Nothing is without it. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 In Tao Te Ching, " p'u " the original uncarved block. Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. Nonetheless, it remains as is, uncarved. The original chaos, the nondivided, that was " destroyed " by poking holes in it. The holes being the sense organs. Sensing hasn't destroyed it, but the impression of a world to exist in makes it seem like a new reality was substituted. - Dan - (nothing new below) Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Questioner: In my daily actions much goes by habit, automatically. I am aware of the general purpose, but not of each movement in detail. As my consciousness broadens and deepens, details tend to recede, leaving me free for the general trends. Does not the same happens to a jnani, but more so? > > Nisargadatta: On the level of consciousness -- yes. In the supreme state, no. This state is entirely one and indivisible, a single solid block of reality. The only way of knowing it is to be it. The mind cannot reach it. To perceive it does not need the senses; to know it, does not need the mind. > > -- from " I Am That " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Automatically perceiving the world of the past. Reacting automatically to confirm the reality of that world. Sudden awareness: That which was so confirmed by actions and reactions, emotional pain, conflict, stress, mental discriminations - that world is not, has never had its own existence, was always fabricated through a kind of collusion with the unreal. The real, the actual, remains undisturbed, as is. The consciousness of the autopilot can never know this. Its collusion with the unreal, is investing in a bank that has no vault to hold one's wealth. - D - (nothing new below) Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Questioner: In my daily actions much goes by habit, automatically. I am aware of the general purpose, but not of each movement in detail. As my consciousness broadens and deepens, details tend to recede, leaving me free for the general trends. Does not the same happens to a jnani, but more so? > > Nisargadatta: On the level of consciousness -- yes. In the supreme state, no. This state is entirely one and indivisible, a single solid block of reality. The only way of knowing it is to be it. The mind cannot reach it. To perceive it does not need the senses; to know it, does not need the mind. > > -- from " I Am That " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > In Tao Te Ching, " p'u " the original uncarved block. > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > Nonetheless, it remains as is, uncarved. > > The original chaos, the nondivided, that was " destroyed " by poking > holes in it. > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. Indeed, as I'm not sure I'd use the noun " chaos " to describe it ;-). The only word that comes to mind here, is 'real'. " It " is unimaginably real. " It " is all there is. " I " am " it " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > In Tao Te Ching, " p'u " the original uncarved block. > > > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > > > Nonetheless, it remains as is, uncarved. > > > > The original chaos, the nondivided, that was " destroyed " by poking > holes in it. > > > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > Indeed, as I'm not sure I'd use the noun " chaos " to describe it ;-). > > The only word that comes to mind here, is 'real'. > > " It " is unimaginably real. " It " is all there is. > > " I " am " it " . Yes, in Chinese, the term " chaos " was used differently than its common usage in our culture now, which means something like " disorder " and " unpredictable " in the negative sense. The Tao's use of the Chinese term for " chaos " has to do with " spontaneity " and " nondivision " - in the sense of the " original totality of all possibilities. " When you juxtapose as mutually inclusive the " uncarved block " and " chaos " as nondivided, you get something unimaginable, total, inclusive of all possible possibilities, all possible manifestation and action, spontaneous - and yet, at rest, undivided, apperceived, non-doing. - Dan - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > In Tao Te Ching, " p'u " the original uncarved block. > > > > > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > > > > > Nonetheless, it remains as is, uncarved. > > > > > > The original chaos, the nondivided, that was " destroyed " by poking > holes in it. > > > > > > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > > > Indeed, as I'm not sure I'd use the noun " chaos " to describe it ;-). > > > > The only word that comes to mind here, is 'real'. > > > > " It " is unimaginably real. " It " is all there is. > > > > " I " am " it " . > > Yes, in Chinese, the term " chaos " was used differently than its common usage in our culture now, which means something like " disorder " and " unpredictable " in the negative sense. > > The Tao's use of the Chinese term for " chaos " has to do with " spontaneity " and " nondivision " - in the sense of the " original totality of all possibilities. " > > When you juxtapose as mutually inclusive the " uncarved block " and " chaos " as nondivided, you get something unimaginable, total, inclusive of all possible possibilities, all possible manifestation and action, spontaneous - and yet, at rest, undivided, apperceived, non-doing. > > - Dan - P.S. When running across Nisargadatta quotes reminiscent of Tao te Ching - it is like hearing a chord of resonance that is timeless, transcultural, keeps being heard. A kind of feeling like " ah yes, that chord - there it is ... " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > In Tao Te Ching, " p'u " the original uncarved block. > > > > > > > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, it remains as is, uncarved. > > > > > > > > The original chaos, the nondivided, that was " destroyed " by poking > holes in it. > > > > > > > > > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > > > > > Indeed, as I'm not sure I'd use the noun " chaos " to describe it ;-). > > > > > > The only word that comes to mind here, is 'real'. > > > > > > " It " is unimaginably real. " It " is all there is. > > > > > > " I " am " it " . > > > > Yes, in Chinese, the term " chaos " was used differently than its common usage in our culture now, which means something like " disorder " and " unpredictable " in the negative sense. > > > > The Tao's use of the Chinese term for " chaos " has to do with " spontaneity " and " nondivision " - in the sense of the " original totality of all possibilities. " > > > > When you juxtapose as mutually inclusive the " uncarved block " and " chaos " as nondivided, you get something unimaginable, total, inclusive of all possible possibilities, all possible manifestation and action, spontaneous - and yet, at rest, undivided, apperceived, non-doing. > > > > - Dan - > > > P.S. When running across Nisargadatta quotes reminiscent of Tao te Ching - it is like hearing a chord of resonance that is timeless, transcultural, keeps being heard. A kind of feeling like " ah yes, that chord - there it is ... " > Indeed... 'what's real' can only be 'what's real', everywhere and at all times. " Being " can only be " being " , everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Monday, November 09, 2009 10:09 PM Re: tonight's Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > In Tao Te Ching, " p'u " the original uncarved block. > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > Nonetheless, it remains as is, uncarved. > > The original chaos, the nondivided, that was " destroyed " by poking > holes > in it. > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. Indeed, as I'm not sure I'd use the noun " chaos " to describe it ;-). The only word that comes to mind here, is 'real'. " It " is unimaginably real. " It " is all there is. " I " am " it " . geo> Right now the word that comes to me is " unchanging beingness " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Monday, November 09, 2009 10:09 PM > Re: tonight's Nisargadatta > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > In Tao Te Ching, " p'u " the original uncarved block. > > > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > > > Nonetheless, it remains as is, uncarved. > > > > The original chaos, the nondivided, that was " destroyed " by poking > holes > > in it. > > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > Indeed, as I'm not sure I'd use the noun " chaos " to describe it ;-). > > The only word that comes to mind here, is 'real'. > > " It " is unimaginably real. " It " is all there is. > > " I " am " it " . > > geo> Right now the word that comes to me is " unchanging beingness " > Changing or unchanging, it isn't 'elsewhere'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:58 AM Re: tonight's Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Monday, November 09, 2009 10:09 PM > Re: tonight's Nisargadatta > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > In Tao Te Ching, " p'u " the original uncarved block. > > > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > > > Nonetheless, it remains as is, uncarved. > > > > The original chaos, the nondivided, that was " destroyed " by poking > > > holes > > in it. > > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > Indeed, as I'm not sure I'd use the noun " chaos " to describe it ;-). > > The only word that comes to mind here, is 'real'. > > " It " is unimaginably real. " It " is all there is. > > " I " am " it " . > > geo> Right now the word that comes to me is " unchanging beingness " > Changing or unchanging, it isn't 'elsewhere'. geo> qualitiless existence per se... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:58 AM > Re: tonight's Nisargadatta > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, November 09, 2009 10:09 PM > > Re: tonight's Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > In Tao Te Ching, " p'u " the original uncarved block. > > > > > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > > > > > Nonetheless, it remains as is, uncarved. > > > > > > The original chaos, the nondivided, that was " destroyed " by poking > > > > holes > > > in it. > > > > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > > > Indeed, as I'm not sure I'd use the noun " chaos " to describe it ;-). > > > > The only word that comes to mind here, is 'real'. > > > > " It " is unimaginably real. " It " is all there is. > > > > " I " am " it " . > > > > geo> Right now the word that comes to me is " unchanging beingness " > > > > Changing or unchanging, it isn't 'elsewhere'. > > geo> qualitiless existence per se... Yes, it's like a quality-less clear space, in which appear/disappear qualities. Which are not at all different than the space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:15 AM Re: Re: tonight's Nisargadatta - Tim G. Nisargadatta Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:58 AM Re: tonight's Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Monday, November 09, 2009 10:09 PM > Re: tonight's Nisargadatta > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > In Tao Te Ching, " p'u " the original uncarved block. > > > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > > > Nonetheless, it remains as is, uncarved. > > > > The original chaos, the nondivided, that was " destroyed " by poking > > > holes > > in it. > > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > Indeed, as I'm not sure I'd use the noun " chaos " to describe it ;-). > > The only word that comes to mind here, is 'real'. > > " It " is unimaginably real. " It " is all there is. > > " I " am " it " . > > geo> Right now the word that comes to me is " unchanging beingness " > Changing or unchanging, it isn't 'elsewhere'. geo> The non-elsewhere-ness is the unchangingness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:15 AM > Re: Re: tonight's Nisargadatta > > > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:58 AM > Re: tonight's Nisargadatta > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, November 09, 2009 10:09 PM > > Re: tonight's Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > In Tao Te Ching, " p'u " the original uncarved block. > > > > > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > > > > > Nonetheless, it remains as is, uncarved. > > > > > > The original chaos, the nondivided, that was " destroyed " by poking > > > > holes > > > in it. > > > > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > > > Indeed, as I'm not sure I'd use the noun " chaos " to describe it ;-). > > > > The only word that comes to mind here, is 'real'. > > > > " It " is unimaginably real. " It " is all there is. > > > > " I " am " it " . > > > > geo> Right now the word that comes to me is " unchanging beingness " > > > > Changing or unchanging, it isn't 'elsewhere'. > > geo> The non-elsewhere-ness is the unchangingness. Its unchangingness is change, and its changingness is unchanging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:15 AM > > Re: Re: tonight's Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:58 AM > > Re: tonight's Nisargadatta > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Tim G. > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, November 09, 2009 10:09 PM > > > Re: tonight's Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > In Tao Te Ching, " p'u " the original uncarved block. > > > > > > > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, it remains as is, uncarved. > > > > > > > > The original chaos, the nondivided, that was " destroyed " by poking > > > > > holes > > > > in it. > > > > > > > Once you explain it, you're trying to carve it. > > > > > > Indeed, as I'm not sure I'd use the noun " chaos " to describe it ;-). > > > > > > The only word that comes to mind here, is 'real'. > > > > > > " It " is unimaginably real. " It " is all there is. > > > > > > " I " am " it " . > > > > > > geo> Right now the word that comes to me is " unchanging beingness " > > > > > > > Changing or unchanging, it isn't 'elsewhere'. > > > > geo> The non-elsewhere-ness is the unchangingness. > > Its unchangingness is change, and its changingness is unchanging. > The silence is immense. Neither 'me' nor 'you' are in it. " There " is here, and " here " is here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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