Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > why gosh the bet here is.. > > that you've been at this stuff for several weeks by now. > > no wonder you're an expert! > -babaca bbb- > > Prey tell me dear babaca...how many more weeks are needed to be the week-less? How much time will I need more to be timeless...please tell me babaca bbb... > Babacão. > -geo- well firstly geo i don't " prey " on anyone.. nor do i even know how to " prey tell " ...you or anyone else. so i'll just leave you alone and won't " prey " on you at all. i'm not hunting for geos today anyway. but now.... " pray " tell me geo.. what in the world..or elsewhere for that matter.. gives you the slightest notion.. that you have attained or become " timeless " or " week-less " . you put too much stock in yourself guy. you're just an ordinary person living an ordinary life.. and you possess no special attributes or powers. so get real and quit bullshitting. you're being ridiculous! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 yet in Actuality... between " this creation of division " .. and.. " just a flow of a little of everything " .. not a Moment of difference Arises. the " real-time bastard.. is not other than the most subliminal Divine. let " Us " here together once again ponder the words of the sage.. Franklin-Merrell-Wolff.. baba's first..last...and only mentor: APHORISMS ON CONSCIOUSNESS-WITHOUT-AN-OBJECT .. 1. Consciousness-without-an-object is. ---Here we call it awareness, ultimate, absolute. .. 2. Before objects were, Consciousness-without-an-object is. ---Awareness, here. .. 3. Though objects seem to exist, Consciousness-without-an-object is. .. 4. When objects vanish, yet remaining through all unaffected, Consciousness-without-an-object is. .. 5. Outside of Consciousness-without-an-object nothing is. .. 6. Within the bosom of Consciousness-without-an-object lies the power of awareness that projects objects. --Here we would say: Within the bosom of Awareness lies the power of Consciousness that projects objects. .. 7. When objects are projected, the power of awareness as subject is presupposed, yet Consciousness-without-an-object remains unchanged. --Correct. Just swapp the words. .. 8. When consciousness of objects is born, then, likewise, consciousness of absence of objects arises. .. 9. Consciousness of objects is the Universe. .. 10. Consciousness of absence of objects is Nirvana. --Awareness, here. .. 11. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lie both the Universe and Nirvana, yet to Consciousness-without-an-object these two are the same. ..---Awareness 12. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of Time. .. 13. When awareness cognizes Time then knowledge of Timelessness is born. .. 14. To be aware of Time is to be aware of the Universe, and to be aware of the Universe is to be aware of Time. --T be conscious of Time is to be conscious of the Universe, and to be conscius of the Universe is to be conscious of Time. .. 15. To realize Timelessness is to attain Nirvana. .. 16. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference between Time and Timelessness. .. 17. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of the world-containing Space. .. .---Yes. Within the absolute/awareness - which is beyond space. 18. When awareness cognizes the world-containing Space then knowledge of the Spatial Void is born. .. 19. To be aware of the world-containing Space is to be aware of the Universe of Objects. .. 20. To realize the Spatial Void is to awaken to Nirvanic Consciousness. .. NIrvanic consciousness= awareness, absolute. 21. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference between the world-containing Space and the Spatial Void. .. 22. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the Seed of Law. ..---Yes. " Law " is the impersonal flow of least resistence inherent to awareness/absolute. 23. When consciousness of objects is born the Law is invoked as a Force tending ever toward Equilibrium. .. 24. All objects exist as tensions within Consciousness-without-an-object that tend ever to flow into their own complements or others. .. 25. The ultimate effect of the flow of all objects into their complements is mutual cancellation in complete Equilibrium. .. 26. Consciousness of the field of tensions is the Universe. .. 27. Consciousness of Equilibrium is Nirvana. .. 28. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither tension nor Equilibrium. .. 29. The state of tensions is the state of ever-becoming. .. 30. Ever-becoming is endless-dying. .. 31. So the state of consciousness of objects is a state of ever-renewing promises that pass into death at the moment of fulfillment. .. 32. Thus when consciousness is attached to objects the agony of birth and death never ceases. .. 33. In the state of Equilibrium where birth cancels death the deathless Bliss of Nirvana is realized. .. 34. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither agony nor bliss. .. 35. Out of the Great Void, which is Consciousness-without-an-object, the Universe is creatively projected. .. 36. The Universe as experienced is the created negation that ever resists. .. 37. The creative act is bliss, the resistance, unending pain. .. 38. Endless resistance is the Universe of experience, the agony of crucifixion. .. 39. Ceaseless creativeness is Nirvana, the Bliss beyond human conceiving. .. 40. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither creativeness nor resistance. .. 41. Ever-becoming and ever-ceasing-to-be are endless action. .. 42. When ever-becoming cancels the ever-ceasing-to-be then Rest is realized. .. 43. Ceaseless action is the Universe. .. 44. Unending Rest is Nirvana. .. 45. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither Action nor Rest. .. 46. When consciousness is attached to objects it is restricted through the forms imposed by the world-containing Space, by Time, and by Law. .. 47. When consciousness is disengaged from objects, Liberation from the forms of the world-containing Space, of Time, and of Law is attained. .. 48. Attachment to objects is consciousness bound within the Universe. .. 49. Liberation from such attachment is the State of unlimited Nirvanic Freedom. .. 50. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither bondage nor freedom. .. 51. Consciousness-without-an-object may be symbolized by a SPACE that is unaffected by the presence or absence of objects, for which there is neither Time nor Timelessness, neither a world-containing Space nor a Spatial Void, neither Tension nor Equilibrium, neither Resistance nor Creativeness, neither Agony nor Bliss, neither Action nor Rest, and neither Restriction nor Freedom. .. 52. As the GREAT SPACE is not to be identified with the Universe, so neither is It to be identified with any Self. .. 53. The GREAT SPACE is not God, but the comprehender of all Gods, as well as of all lesser creatures. .. 54. The GREAT SPACE, or Consciousness-without-an-object, is the Sole Reality upon which all objects and all selves depend and derive their existence. .. 55. The GREAT SPACE comprehends both the Path of the Universe and the Path of Nirvana. .. 56. Beside the GREAT SPACE there is none other. .. OM TAT SAT geo>Well bob....all you have to do is change the expression Consciousness-without-an-object to Awareness or Absolute and you will se that many of us have been saying what is writen above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Friday, December 11, 2009 1:53 PM > Re: Attachment > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > BobN > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, December 11, 2009 1:20 PM > > Re: Attachment > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > yet in Actuality... > > > > > > between " this creation of division " .. > > > > > > and.. > > > > > > " just a flow of a little of everything " .. > > > > > > not a Moment of difference Arises. > > > > > > the " real-time bastard.. > > > > > > is not other than the most subliminal Divine. > > > > > > let " Us " here together once again ponder the words of the sage.. > > > > > > Franklin-Merrell-Wolff.. > > > > > > baba's first..last...and only mentor: > > > > > > APHORISMS ON CONSCIOUSNESS-WITHOUT-AN-OBJECT > > > > > > . > > > > > > 1. Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > > > ---Here we call it awareness, ultimate, absolute. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 2. Before objects were, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > > > ---Awareness, here. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 3. Though objects seem to exist, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 4. When objects vanish, yet remaining through all unaffected, > > > Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 5. Outside of Consciousness-without-an-object nothing is. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 6. Within the bosom of Consciousness-without-an-object lies the power of > > > awareness that projects objects. > > > > > > --Here we would say: Within the bosom of Awareness lies the power of > > > Consciousness that projects objects. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 7. When objects are projected, the power of awareness as subject is > > > presupposed, yet Consciousness-without-an-object remains unchanged. > > > > > > --Correct. Just swapp the words. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 8. When consciousness of objects is born, then, likewise, consciousness > > > of > > > absence of objects arises. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 9. Consciousness of objects is the Universe. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 10. Consciousness of absence of objects is Nirvana. > > > > > > --Awareness, here. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 11. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lie both the Universe and > > > Nirvana, yet to Consciousness-without-an-object these two are the same. > > > > > > .---Awareness > > > > > > 12. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of Time. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 13. When awareness cognizes Time then knowledge of Timelessness is born. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 14. To be aware of Time is to be aware of the Universe, and to be aware > > > of > > > the Universe is to be aware of Time. > > > > > > --T be conscious of Time is to be conscious of the Universe, and to be > > > conscius of the Universe is to be conscious of Time. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 15. To realize Timelessness is to attain Nirvana. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 16. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference > > > between > > > Time and Timelessness. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 17. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of the > > > world-containing Space. > > > > > > . .---Yes. Within the absolute/awareness - which is beyond space. > > > > > > > > > 18. When awareness cognizes the world-containing Space then knowledge of > > > the > > > Spatial Void is born. > > > > > > . > > > 19. To be aware of the world-containing Space is to be aware of the > > > Universe > > > of Objects. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 20. To realize the Spatial Void is to awaken to Nirvanic Consciousness. > > > > > > . NIrvanic consciousness= awareness, absolute. > > > > > > 21. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference > > > between > > > the world-containing Space and the Spatial Void. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 22. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the Seed of Law. > > > > > > .---Yes. " Law " is the impersonal flow of least resistence inherent to > > > awareness/absolute. > > > > > > 23. When consciousness of objects is born the Law is invoked as a Force > > > tending ever toward Equilibrium. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 24. All objects exist as tensions within Consciousness-without-an-object > > > that tend ever to flow into their own complements or others. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 25. The ultimate effect of the flow of all objects into their > > > complements > > > is > > > mutual cancellation in complete Equilibrium. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 26. Consciousness of the field of tensions is the Universe. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 27. Consciousness of Equilibrium is Nirvana. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 28. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither tension nor > > > Equilibrium. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 29. The state of tensions is the state of ever-becoming. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 30. Ever-becoming is endless-dying. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 31. So the state of consciousness of objects is a state of ever-renewing > > > promises that pass into death at the moment of fulfillment. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 32. Thus when consciousness is attached to objects the agony of birth > > > and > > > death never ceases. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 33. In the state of Equilibrium where birth cancels death the deathless > > > Bliss of Nirvana is realized. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 34. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither agony nor bliss. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 35. Out of the Great Void, which is Consciousness-without-an-object, the > > > Universe is creatively projected. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 36. The Universe as experienced is the created negation that ever > > > resists. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 37. The creative act is bliss, the resistance, unending pain. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 38. Endless resistance is the Universe of experience, the agony of > > > crucifixion. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 39. Ceaseless creativeness is Nirvana, the Bliss beyond human > > > conceiving. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 40. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither > > > creativeness > > > nor resistance. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 41. Ever-becoming and ever-ceasing-to-be are endless action. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 42. When ever-becoming cancels the ever-ceasing-to-be then Rest is > > > realized. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 43. Ceaseless action is the Universe. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 44. Unending Rest is Nirvana. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 45. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither Action nor Rest. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 46. When consciousness is attached to objects it is restricted through > > > the > > > forms imposed by the world-containing Space, by Time, and by Law. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 47. When consciousness is disengaged from objects, Liberation from the > > > forms > > > of the world-containing Space, of Time, and of Law is attained. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 48. Attachment to objects is consciousness bound within the Universe. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 49. Liberation from such attachment is the State of unlimited Nirvanic > > > Freedom. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 50. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither bondage nor freedom. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 51. Consciousness-without-an-object may be symbolized by a SPACE that is > > > unaffected by the presence or absence of objects, for which there is > > > neither > > > Time nor Timelessness, neither a world-containing Space nor a Spatial > > > Void, > > > neither Tension nor Equilibrium, neither Resistance nor Creativeness, > > > neither Agony nor Bliss, neither Action nor Rest, and neither > > > Restriction > > > nor Freedom. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 52. As the GREAT SPACE is not to be identified with the Universe, so > > > neither > > > is It to be identified with any Self. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 53. The GREAT SPACE is not God, but the comprehender of all Gods, as > > > well > > > as > > > of all lesser creatures. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 54. The GREAT SPACE, or Consciousness-without-an-object, is the Sole > > > Reality > > > upon which all objects and all selves depend and derive their existence. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 55. The GREAT SPACE comprehends both the Path of the Universe and the > > > Path > > > of Nirvana. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 56. Beside the GREAT SPACE there is none other. > > > > > > . > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > > > > > geo>Well bob....all you have to do is change the expression > > > Consciousness-without-an-object to Awareness or Absolute and you will se > > > that many of us have been saying what is writen above. > > > > " many of us " ???? > > > > OMG! > > > > there's no use in even trying. > > > > ok geo. > > > > stay where you are. > > > > All Will Be Well.. > > > > all manner of " thing " will be well. > > > > Merry Christmas geo...and enjoy the dream fella... > > > > where " you " can continue to believe " you " have a handle on " THIS " . > > > > and " you " can continue to pridefully defend.. > > > > what " you " and " many of you " have been saying. > > > > why gosh the bet here is.. > > > > that you've been at this stuff for several weeks by now. > > > > no wonder you're an expert! > > > > no wonder " you " should be and should have been " listened to " ... > > > > by all the " others " that are not the " many of us " . > > > > actually..there's no " Wonder " in " you " at all. > > > > Ho Ho Ho! > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > > OK....SOME of us is better. > > But would it be too big a leap to swapp those expressions one for the > > other? > > Yes....it seems it would for you. > > -geo- > > oh no geo. > > i'm sure you're right. > > damn straight man! > > you know if i just changed a few words around then the words of.. > > oh i don't know..let's say.. > > Socrates..Plato..Aristotle..Plotinus..Leibniz..Berkley..Hume.. > > Rousseau..Spinoza..Kant...Locke..Hegel..Fichte..Kierkegaard.. > > Nietzsche..James...Russell..Wittgenstein..Heidegger..Sartre.. > > yoiu know..that crew.. > > well hell that's what you or many of you have been saying all along. > > and if you changed a few notes around.. > > my songs are exactly like the works of.. > > Bach..Beethoven...Mozart..Handel...Tchaikovsky..Haydn.. > > and most of the others. > > look geo.. > > i'm not going to hold back exactly how i feel about what you said. > > you're a goddamn idiot. > > grow up.... and maybe grow some brains for crizsakes! > > .b b.b. > > Baba bbb o babaca > -geo- well now.. there you go displaying that golden intellect of yours again. no wonder you have such a high opinion of yourself. watch out though geo.. i think that's fool's gold you've got. :-) ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 - BobN Nisargadatta Friday, December 11, 2009 1:20 PM Re: Attachment Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > yet in Actuality... > > between " this creation of division " .. > > and.. > > " just a flow of a little of everything " .. > > not a Moment of difference Arises. > > the " real-time bastard.. > > is not other than the most subliminal Divine. > > let " Us " here together once again ponder the words of the sage.. > > Franklin-Merrell-Wolff.. > > baba's first..last...and only mentor: > > APHORISMS ON CONSCIOUSNESS-WITHOUT-AN-OBJECT > > . > > 1. Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > ---Here we call it awareness, ultimate, absolute. > > . > > 2. Before objects were, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > ---Awareness, here. > > . > > 3. Though objects seem to exist, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > . > > 4. When objects vanish, yet remaining through all unaffected, > Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > . > > 5. Outside of Consciousness-without-an-object nothing is. > > . > > 6. Within the bosom of Consciousness-without-an-object lies the power of > awareness that projects objects. > > --Here we would say: Within the bosom of Awareness lies the power of > Consciousness that projects objects. > > . > > 7. When objects are projected, the power of awareness as subject is > presupposed, yet Consciousness-without-an-object remains unchanged. > > --Correct. Just swapp the words. > > . > > 8. When consciousness of objects is born, then, likewise, consciousness of > absence of objects arises. > > . > > 9. Consciousness of objects is the Universe. > > . > > 10. Consciousness of absence of objects is Nirvana. > > --Awareness, here. > > . > > 11. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lie both the Universe and > Nirvana, yet to Consciousness-without-an-object these two are the same. > > .---Awareness > > 12. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of Time. > > . > > 13. When awareness cognizes Time then knowledge of Timelessness is born. > > . > > 14. To be aware of Time is to be aware of the Universe, and to be aware of > the Universe is to be aware of Time. > > --T be conscious of Time is to be conscious of the Universe, and to be > conscius of the Universe is to be conscious of Time. > > . > > 15. To realize Timelessness is to attain Nirvana. > > . > > 16. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference between > Time and Timelessness. > > . > > 17. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of the > world-containing Space. > > . .---Yes. Within the absolute/awareness - which is beyond space. > > > 18. When awareness cognizes the world-containing Space then knowledge of > the > Spatial Void is born. > > . > 19. To be aware of the world-containing Space is to be aware of the > Universe > of Objects. > > . > > 20. To realize the Spatial Void is to awaken to Nirvanic Consciousness. > > . NIrvanic consciousness= awareness, absolute. > > 21. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference between > the world-containing Space and the Spatial Void. > > . > > 22. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the Seed of Law. > > .---Yes. " Law " is the impersonal flow of least resistence inherent to > awareness/absolute. > > 23. When consciousness of objects is born the Law is invoked as a Force > tending ever toward Equilibrium. > > . > > 24. All objects exist as tensions within Consciousness-without-an-object > that tend ever to flow into their own complements or others. > > . > > 25. The ultimate effect of the flow of all objects into their complements > is > mutual cancellation in complete Equilibrium. > > . > > 26. Consciousness of the field of tensions is the Universe. > > . > > 27. Consciousness of Equilibrium is Nirvana. > > . > > 28. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither tension nor > Equilibrium. > > . > > 29. The state of tensions is the state of ever-becoming. > > . > > 30. Ever-becoming is endless-dying. > > . > > 31. So the state of consciousness of objects is a state of ever-renewing > promises that pass into death at the moment of fulfillment. > > . > > 32. Thus when consciousness is attached to objects the agony of birth and > death never ceases. > > . > > 33. In the state of Equilibrium where birth cancels death the deathless > Bliss of Nirvana is realized. > > . > > 34. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither agony nor bliss. > > . > > 35. Out of the Great Void, which is Consciousness-without-an-object, the > Universe is creatively projected. > > . > > 36. The Universe as experienced is the created negation that ever resists. > > . > > 37. The creative act is bliss, the resistance, unending pain. > > . > > 38. Endless resistance is the Universe of experience, the agony of > crucifixion. > > . > > 39. Ceaseless creativeness is Nirvana, the Bliss beyond human conceiving. > > . > > 40. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither creativeness > nor resistance. > > . > > 41. Ever-becoming and ever-ceasing-to-be are endless action. > > . > > 42. When ever-becoming cancels the ever-ceasing-to-be then Rest is > realized. > > . > > 43. Ceaseless action is the Universe. > > . > > 44. Unending Rest is Nirvana. > > . > > 45. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither Action nor Rest. > > . > > 46. When consciousness is attached to objects it is restricted through the > forms imposed by the world-containing Space, by Time, and by Law. > > . > > 47. When consciousness is disengaged from objects, Liberation from the > forms > of the world-containing Space, of Time, and of Law is attained. > > . > > 48. Attachment to objects is consciousness bound within the Universe. > > . > > 49. Liberation from such attachment is the State of unlimited Nirvanic > Freedom. > > . > > 50. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither bondage nor freedom. > > . > > 51. Consciousness-without-an-object may be symbolized by a SPACE that is > unaffected by the presence or absence of objects, for which there is > neither > Time nor Timelessness, neither a world-containing Space nor a Spatial > Void, > neither Tension nor Equilibrium, neither Resistance nor Creativeness, > neither Agony nor Bliss, neither Action nor Rest, and neither Restriction > nor Freedom. > > . > > 52. As the GREAT SPACE is not to be identified with the Universe, so > neither > is It to be identified with any Self. > > . > > 53. The GREAT SPACE is not God, but the comprehender of all Gods, as well > as > of all lesser creatures. > > . > > 54. The GREAT SPACE, or Consciousness-without-an-object, is the Sole > Reality > upon which all objects and all selves depend and derive their existence. > > . > > 55. The GREAT SPACE comprehends both the Path of the Universe and the Path > of Nirvana. > > . > > 56. Beside the GREAT SPACE there is none other. > > . > > OM TAT SAT > > geo>Well bob....all you have to do is change the expression > Consciousness-without-an-object to Awareness or Absolute and you will se > that many of us have been saying what is writen above. " many of us " ???? OMG! there's no use in even trying. ok geo. stay where you are. All Will Be Well.. all manner of " thing " will be well. Merry Christmas geo...and enjoy the dream fella... where " you " can continue to believe " you " have a handle on " THIS " . and " you " can continue to pridefully defend.. what " you " and " many of you " have been saying. why gosh the bet here is.. that you've been at this stuff for several weeks by now. no wonder you're an expert! no wonder " you " should be and should have been " listened to " ... by all the " others " that are not the " many of us " . actually..there's no " Wonder " in " you " at all. Ho Ho Ho! :-) ..b b.b. OK....SOME of us is better. But would it be too big a leap to swapp those expressions one for the other? Yes....it seems it would for you. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 why gosh the bet here is..that you've been at this stuff for several weeks by now.no wonder you're an expert!-babaca bbb- Prey tell me dear babaca...how many more weeks are needed to be the week-less? How much time will I need more to be timeless...please tell me babaca bbb... Babacão. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 - BobN Nisargadatta Friday, December 11, 2009 1:53 PM Re: Attachment Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Friday, December 11, 2009 1:20 PM > Re: Attachment > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > yet in Actuality... > > > > between " this creation of division " .. > > > > and.. > > > > " just a flow of a little of everything " .. > > > > not a Moment of difference Arises. > > > > the " real-time bastard.. > > > > is not other than the most subliminal Divine. > > > > let " Us " here together once again ponder the words of the sage.. > > > > Franklin-Merrell-Wolff.. > > > > baba's first..last...and only mentor: > > > > APHORISMS ON CONSCIOUSNESS-WITHOUT-AN-OBJECT > > > > . > > > > 1. Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > ---Here we call it awareness, ultimate, absolute. > > > > . > > > > 2. Before objects were, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > ---Awareness, here. > > > > . > > > > 3. Though objects seem to exist, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > . > > > > 4. When objects vanish, yet remaining through all unaffected, > > Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > . > > > > 5. Outside of Consciousness-without-an-object nothing is. > > > > . > > > > 6. Within the bosom of Consciousness-without-an-object lies the power of > > awareness that projects objects. > > > > --Here we would say: Within the bosom of Awareness lies the power of > > Consciousness that projects objects. > > > > . > > > > 7. When objects are projected, the power of awareness as subject is > > presupposed, yet Consciousness-without-an-object remains unchanged. > > > > --Correct. Just swapp the words. > > > > . > > > > 8. When consciousness of objects is born, then, likewise, consciousness > > of > > absence of objects arises. > > > > . > > > > 9. Consciousness of objects is the Universe. > > > > . > > > > 10. Consciousness of absence of objects is Nirvana. > > > > --Awareness, here. > > > > . > > > > 11. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lie both the Universe and > > Nirvana, yet to Consciousness-without-an-object these two are the same. > > > > .---Awareness > > > > 12. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of Time. > > > > . > > > > 13. When awareness cognizes Time then knowledge of Timelessness is born. > > > > . > > > > 14. To be aware of Time is to be aware of the Universe, and to be aware > > of > > the Universe is to be aware of Time. > > > > --T be conscious of Time is to be conscious of the Universe, and to be > > conscius of the Universe is to be conscious of Time. > > > > . > > > > 15. To realize Timelessness is to attain Nirvana. > > > > . > > > > 16. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference > > between > > Time and Timelessness. > > > > . > > > > 17. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of the > > world-containing Space. > > > > . .---Yes. Within the absolute/awareness - which is beyond space. > > > > > > 18. When awareness cognizes the world-containing Space then knowledge of > > the > > Spatial Void is born. > > > > . > > 19. To be aware of the world-containing Space is to be aware of the > > Universe > > of Objects. > > > > . > > > > 20. To realize the Spatial Void is to awaken to Nirvanic Consciousness. > > > > . NIrvanic consciousness= awareness, absolute. > > > > 21. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference > > between > > the world-containing Space and the Spatial Void. > > > > . > > > > 22. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the Seed of Law. > > > > .---Yes. " Law " is the impersonal flow of least resistence inherent to > > awareness/absolute. > > > > 23. When consciousness of objects is born the Law is invoked as a Force > > tending ever toward Equilibrium. > > > > . > > > > 24. All objects exist as tensions within Consciousness-without-an-object > > that tend ever to flow into their own complements or others. > > > > . > > > > 25. The ultimate effect of the flow of all objects into their > > complements > > is > > mutual cancellation in complete Equilibrium. > > > > . > > > > 26. Consciousness of the field of tensions is the Universe. > > > > . > > > > 27. Consciousness of Equilibrium is Nirvana. > > > > . > > > > 28. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither tension nor > > Equilibrium. > > > > . > > > > 29. The state of tensions is the state of ever-becoming. > > > > . > > > > 30. Ever-becoming is endless-dying. > > > > . > > > > 31. So the state of consciousness of objects is a state of ever-renewing > > promises that pass into death at the moment of fulfillment. > > > > . > > > > 32. Thus when consciousness is attached to objects the agony of birth > > and > > death never ceases. > > > > . > > > > 33. In the state of Equilibrium where birth cancels death the deathless > > Bliss of Nirvana is realized. > > > > . > > > > 34. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither agony nor bliss. > > > > . > > > > 35. Out of the Great Void, which is Consciousness-without-an-object, the > > Universe is creatively projected. > > > > . > > > > 36. The Universe as experienced is the created negation that ever > > resists. > > > > . > > > > 37. The creative act is bliss, the resistance, unending pain. > > > > . > > > > 38. Endless resistance is the Universe of experience, the agony of > > crucifixion. > > > > . > > > > 39. Ceaseless creativeness is Nirvana, the Bliss beyond human > > conceiving. > > > > . > > > > 40. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither > > creativeness > > nor resistance. > > > > . > > > > 41. Ever-becoming and ever-ceasing-to-be are endless action. > > > > . > > > > 42. When ever-becoming cancels the ever-ceasing-to-be then Rest is > > realized. > > > > . > > > > 43. Ceaseless action is the Universe. > > > > . > > > > 44. Unending Rest is Nirvana. > > > > . > > > > 45. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither Action nor Rest. > > > > . > > > > 46. When consciousness is attached to objects it is restricted through > > the > > forms imposed by the world-containing Space, by Time, and by Law. > > > > . > > > > 47. When consciousness is disengaged from objects, Liberation from the > > forms > > of the world-containing Space, of Time, and of Law is attained. > > > > . > > > > 48. Attachment to objects is consciousness bound within the Universe. > > > > . > > > > 49. Liberation from such attachment is the State of unlimited Nirvanic > > Freedom. > > > > . > > > > 50. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither bondage nor freedom. > > > > . > > > > 51. Consciousness-without-an-object may be symbolized by a SPACE that is > > unaffected by the presence or absence of objects, for which there is > > neither > > Time nor Timelessness, neither a world-containing Space nor a Spatial > > Void, > > neither Tension nor Equilibrium, neither Resistance nor Creativeness, > > neither Agony nor Bliss, neither Action nor Rest, and neither > > Restriction > > nor Freedom. > > > > . > > > > 52. As the GREAT SPACE is not to be identified with the Universe, so > > neither > > is It to be identified with any Self. > > > > . > > > > 53. The GREAT SPACE is not God, but the comprehender of all Gods, as > > well > > as > > of all lesser creatures. > > > > . > > > > 54. The GREAT SPACE, or Consciousness-without-an-object, is the Sole > > Reality > > upon which all objects and all selves depend and derive their existence. > > > > . > > > > 55. The GREAT SPACE comprehends both the Path of the Universe and the > > Path > > of Nirvana. > > > > . > > > > 56. Beside the GREAT SPACE there is none other. > > > > . > > > > OM TAT SAT > > > > geo>Well bob....all you have to do is change the expression > > Consciousness-without-an-object to Awareness or Absolute and you will se > > that many of us have been saying what is writen above. > > " many of us " ???? > > OMG! > > there's no use in even trying. > > ok geo. > > stay where you are. > > All Will Be Well.. > > all manner of " thing " will be well. > > Merry Christmas geo...and enjoy the dream fella... > > where " you " can continue to believe " you " have a handle on " THIS " . > > and " you " can continue to pridefully defend.. > > what " you " and " many of you " have been saying. > > why gosh the bet here is.. > > that you've been at this stuff for several weeks by now. > > no wonder you're an expert! > > no wonder " you " should be and should have been " listened to " ... > > by all the " others " that are not the " many of us " . > > actually..there's no " Wonder " in " you " at all. > > Ho Ho Ho! > > :-) > > .b b.b. > > OK....SOME of us is better. > But would it be too big a leap to swapp those expressions one for the > other? > Yes....it seems it would for you. > -geo- oh no geo. i'm sure you're right. damn straight man! you know if i just changed a few words around then the words of.. oh i don't know..let's say.. Socrates..Plato..Aristotle..Plotinus..Leibniz..Berkley..Hume.. Rousseau..Spinoza..Kant...Locke..Hegel..Fichte..Kierkegaard.. Nietzsche..James...Russell..Wittgenstein..Heidegger..Sartre.. yoiu know..that crew.. well hell that's what you or many of you have been saying all along. and if you changed a few notes around.. my songs are exactly like the works of.. Bach..Beethoven...Mozart..Handel...Tchaikovsky..Haydn.. and most of the others. look geo.. i'm not going to hold back exactly how i feel about what you said. you're a goddamn idiot. grow up.... and maybe grow some brains for crizsakes! ..b b.b. Baba bbb o babaca -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 - BobN Nisargadatta Friday, December 11, 2009 2:10 PM Re: Attachment Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Friday, December 11, 2009 1:53 PM > Re: Attachment > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > BobN > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, December 11, 2009 1:20 PM > > Re: Attachment > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > yet in Actuality... > > > > > > between " this creation of division " .. > > > > > > and.. > > > > > > " just a flow of a little of everything " .. > > > > > > not a Moment of difference Arises. > > > > > > the " real-time bastard.. > > > > > > is not other than the most subliminal Divine. > > > > > > let " Us " here together once again ponder the words of the sage.. > > > > > > Franklin-Merrell-Wolff.. > > > > > > baba's first..last...and only mentor: > > > > > > APHORISMS ON CONSCIOUSNESS-WITHOUT-AN-OBJECT > > > > > > . > > > > > > 1. Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > > > ---Here we call it awareness, ultimate, absolute. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 2. Before objects were, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > > > ---Awareness, here. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 3. Though objects seem to exist, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 4. When objects vanish, yet remaining through all unaffected, > > > Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 5. Outside of Consciousness-without-an-object nothing is. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 6. Within the bosom of Consciousness-without-an-object lies the power > > > of > > > awareness that projects objects. > > > > > > --Here we would say: Within the bosom of Awareness lies the power of > > > Consciousness that projects objects. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 7. When objects are projected, the power of awareness as subject is > > > presupposed, yet Consciousness-without-an-object remains unchanged. > > > > > > --Correct. Just swapp the words. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 8. When consciousness of objects is born, then, likewise, > > > consciousness > > > of > > > absence of objects arises. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 9. Consciousness of objects is the Universe. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 10. Consciousness of absence of objects is Nirvana. > > > > > > --Awareness, here. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 11. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lie both the Universe and > > > Nirvana, yet to Consciousness-without-an-object these two are the > > > same. > > > > > > .---Awareness > > > > > > 12. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of Time. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 13. When awareness cognizes Time then knowledge of Timelessness is > > > born. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 14. To be aware of Time is to be aware of the Universe, and to be > > > aware > > > of > > > the Universe is to be aware of Time. > > > > > > --T be conscious of Time is to be conscious of the Universe, and to be > > > conscius of the Universe is to be conscious of Time. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 15. To realize Timelessness is to attain Nirvana. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 16. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference > > > between > > > Time and Timelessness. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 17. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of the > > > world-containing Space. > > > > > > . .---Yes. Within the absolute/awareness - which is beyond space. > > > > > > > > > 18. When awareness cognizes the world-containing Space then knowledge > > > of > > > the > > > Spatial Void is born. > > > > > > . > > > 19. To be aware of the world-containing Space is to be aware of the > > > Universe > > > of Objects. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 20. To realize the Spatial Void is to awaken to Nirvanic > > > Consciousness. > > > > > > . NIrvanic consciousness= awareness, absolute. > > > > > > 21. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference > > > between > > > the world-containing Space and the Spatial Void. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 22. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the Seed of Law. > > > > > > .---Yes. " Law " is the impersonal flow of least resistence inherent to > > > awareness/absolute. > > > > > > 23. When consciousness of objects is born the Law is invoked as a > > > Force > > > tending ever toward Equilibrium. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 24. All objects exist as tensions within > > > Consciousness-without-an-object > > > that tend ever to flow into their own complements or others. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 25. The ultimate effect of the flow of all objects into their > > > complements > > > is > > > mutual cancellation in complete Equilibrium. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 26. Consciousness of the field of tensions is the Universe. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 27. Consciousness of Equilibrium is Nirvana. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 28. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither tension > > > nor > > > Equilibrium. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 29. The state of tensions is the state of ever-becoming. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 30. Ever-becoming is endless-dying. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 31. So the state of consciousness of objects is a state of > > > ever-renewing > > > promises that pass into death at the moment of fulfillment. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 32. Thus when consciousness is attached to objects the agony of birth > > > and > > > death never ceases. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 33. In the state of Equilibrium where birth cancels death the > > > deathless > > > Bliss of Nirvana is realized. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 34. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither agony nor bliss. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 35. Out of the Great Void, which is Consciousness-without-an-object, > > > the > > > Universe is creatively projected. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 36. The Universe as experienced is the created negation that ever > > > resists. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 37. The creative act is bliss, the resistance, unending pain. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 38. Endless resistance is the Universe of experience, the agony of > > > crucifixion. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 39. Ceaseless creativeness is Nirvana, the Bliss beyond human > > > conceiving. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 40. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither > > > creativeness > > > nor resistance. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 41. Ever-becoming and ever-ceasing-to-be are endless action. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 42. When ever-becoming cancels the ever-ceasing-to-be then Rest is > > > realized. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 43. Ceaseless action is the Universe. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 44. Unending Rest is Nirvana. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 45. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither Action nor Rest. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 46. When consciousness is attached to objects it is restricted through > > > the > > > forms imposed by the world-containing Space, by Time, and by Law. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 47. When consciousness is disengaged from objects, Liberation from the > > > forms > > > of the world-containing Space, of Time, and of Law is attained. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 48. Attachment to objects is consciousness bound within the Universe. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 49. Liberation from such attachment is the State of unlimited Nirvanic > > > Freedom. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 50. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither bondage nor > > > freedom. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 51. Consciousness-without-an-object may be symbolized by a SPACE that > > > is > > > unaffected by the presence or absence of objects, for which there is > > > neither > > > Time nor Timelessness, neither a world-containing Space nor a Spatial > > > Void, > > > neither Tension nor Equilibrium, neither Resistance nor Creativeness, > > > neither Agony nor Bliss, neither Action nor Rest, and neither > > > Restriction > > > nor Freedom. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 52. As the GREAT SPACE is not to be identified with the Universe, so > > > neither > > > is It to be identified with any Self. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 53. The GREAT SPACE is not God, but the comprehender of all Gods, as > > > well > > > as > > > of all lesser creatures. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 54. The GREAT SPACE, or Consciousness-without-an-object, is the Sole > > > Reality > > > upon which all objects and all selves depend and derive their > > > existence. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 55. The GREAT SPACE comprehends both the Path of the Universe and the > > > Path > > > of Nirvana. > > > > > > . > > > > > > 56. Beside the GREAT SPACE there is none other. > > > > > > . > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > > > > > geo>Well bob....all you have to do is change the expression > > > Consciousness-without-an-object to Awareness or Absolute and you will > > > se > > > that many of us have been saying what is writen above. > > > > " many of us " ???? > > > > OMG! > > > > there's no use in even trying. > > > > ok geo. > > > > stay where you are. > > > > All Will Be Well.. > > > > all manner of " thing " will be well. > > > > Merry Christmas geo...and enjoy the dream fella... > > > > where " you " can continue to believe " you " have a handle on " THIS " . > > > > and " you " can continue to pridefully defend.. > > > > what " you " and " many of you " have been saying. > > > > why gosh the bet here is.. > > > > that you've been at this stuff for several weeks by now. > > > > no wonder you're an expert! > > > > no wonder " you " should be and should have been " listened to " ... > > > > by all the " others " that are not the " many of us " . > > > > actually..there's no " Wonder " in " you " at all. > > > > Ho Ho Ho! > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > > OK....SOME of us is better. > > But would it be too big a leap to swapp those expressions one for the > > other? > > Yes....it seems it would for you. > > -geo- > > oh no geo. > > i'm sure you're right. > > damn straight man! > > you know if i just changed a few words around then the words of.. > > oh i don't know..let's say.. > > Socrates..Plato..Aristotle..Plotinus..Leibniz..Berkley..Hume.. > > Rousseau..Spinoza..Kant...Locke..Hegel..Fichte..Kierkegaard.. > > Nietzsche..James...Russell..Wittgenstein..Heidegger..Sartre.. > > yoiu know..that crew.. > > well hell that's what you or many of you have been saying all along. > > and if you changed a few notes around.. > > my songs are exactly like the works of.. > > Bach..Beethoven...Mozart..Handel...Tchaikovsky..Haydn.. > > and most of the others. > > look geo.. > > i'm not going to hold back exactly how i feel about what you said. > > you're a goddamn idiot. > > grow up.... and maybe grow some brains for crizsakes! > > .b b.b. > > Baba bbb o babaca > -geo- well now.. there you go displaying that golden intellect of yours again. no wonder you have such a high opinion of yourself. watch out though geo.. i think that's fool's gold you've got. :-) ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Friday, December 11, 2009 2:10 PM > Re: Attachment > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > BobN > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, December 11, 2009 1:53 PM > > Re: Attachment > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > BobN > > > Nisargadatta > > > Friday, December 11, 2009 1:20 PM > > > Re: Attachment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > yet in Actuality... > > > > > > > > between " this creation of division " .. > > > > > > > > and.. > > > > > > > > " just a flow of a little of everything " .. > > > > > > > > not a Moment of difference Arises. > > > > > > > > the " real-time bastard.. > > > > > > > > is not other than the most subliminal Divine. > > > > > > > > let " Us " here together once again ponder the words of the sage.. > > > > > > > > Franklin-Merrell-Wolff.. > > > > > > > > baba's first..last...and only mentor: > > > > > > > > APHORISMS ON CONSCIOUSNESS-WITHOUT-AN-OBJECT > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 1. Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > > > > > ---Here we call it awareness, ultimate, absolute. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 2. Before objects were, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > > > > > ---Awareness, here. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 3. Though objects seem to exist, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 4. When objects vanish, yet remaining through all unaffected, > > > > Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 5. Outside of Consciousness-without-an-object nothing is. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 6. Within the bosom of Consciousness-without-an-object lies the power > > > > of > > > > awareness that projects objects. > > > > > > > > --Here we would say: Within the bosom of Awareness lies the power of > > > > Consciousness that projects objects. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 7. When objects are projected, the power of awareness as subject is > > > > presupposed, yet Consciousness-without-an-object remains unchanged. > > > > > > > > --Correct. Just swapp the words. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 8. When consciousness of objects is born, then, likewise, > > > > consciousness > > > > of > > > > absence of objects arises. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 9. Consciousness of objects is the Universe. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 10. Consciousness of absence of objects is Nirvana. > > > > > > > > --Awareness, here. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 11. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lie both the Universe and > > > > Nirvana, yet to Consciousness-without-an-object these two are the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > .---Awareness > > > > > > > > 12. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of Time. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 13. When awareness cognizes Time then knowledge of Timelessness is > > > > born. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 14. To be aware of Time is to be aware of the Universe, and to be > > > > aware > > > > of > > > > the Universe is to be aware of Time. > > > > > > > > --T be conscious of Time is to be conscious of the Universe, and to be > > > > conscius of the Universe is to be conscious of Time. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 15. To realize Timelessness is to attain Nirvana. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 16. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference > > > > between > > > > Time and Timelessness. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 17. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of the > > > > world-containing Space. > > > > > > > > . .---Yes. Within the absolute/awareness - which is beyond space. > > > > > > > > > > > > 18. When awareness cognizes the world-containing Space then knowledge > > > > of > > > > the > > > > Spatial Void is born. > > > > > > > > . > > > > 19. To be aware of the world-containing Space is to be aware of the > > > > Universe > > > > of Objects. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 20. To realize the Spatial Void is to awaken to Nirvanic > > > > Consciousness. > > > > > > > > . NIrvanic consciousness= awareness, absolute. > > > > > > > > 21. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference > > > > between > > > > the world-containing Space and the Spatial Void. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 22. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the Seed of Law. > > > > > > > > .---Yes. " Law " is the impersonal flow of least resistence inherent to > > > > awareness/absolute. > > > > > > > > 23. When consciousness of objects is born the Law is invoked as a > > > > Force > > > > tending ever toward Equilibrium. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 24. All objects exist as tensions within > > > > Consciousness-without-an-object > > > > that tend ever to flow into their own complements or others. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 25. The ultimate effect of the flow of all objects into their > > > > complements > > > > is > > > > mutual cancellation in complete Equilibrium. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 26. Consciousness of the field of tensions is the Universe. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 27. Consciousness of Equilibrium is Nirvana. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 28. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither tension > > > > nor > > > > Equilibrium. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 29. The state of tensions is the state of ever-becoming. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 30. Ever-becoming is endless-dying. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 31. So the state of consciousness of objects is a state of > > > > ever-renewing > > > > promises that pass into death at the moment of fulfillment. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 32. Thus when consciousness is attached to objects the agony of birth > > > > and > > > > death never ceases. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 33. In the state of Equilibrium where birth cancels death the > > > > deathless > > > > Bliss of Nirvana is realized. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 34. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither agony nor bliss. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 35. Out of the Great Void, which is Consciousness-without-an-object, > > > > the > > > > Universe is creatively projected. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 36. The Universe as experienced is the created negation that ever > > > > resists. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 37. The creative act is bliss, the resistance, unending pain. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 38. Endless resistance is the Universe of experience, the agony of > > > > crucifixion. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 39. Ceaseless creativeness is Nirvana, the Bliss beyond human > > > > conceiving. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 40. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is neither > > > > creativeness > > > > nor resistance. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 41. Ever-becoming and ever-ceasing-to-be are endless action. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 42. When ever-becoming cancels the ever-ceasing-to-be then Rest is > > > > realized. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 43. Ceaseless action is the Universe. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 44. Unending Rest is Nirvana. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 45. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither Action nor Rest. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 46. When consciousness is attached to objects it is restricted through > > > > the > > > > forms imposed by the world-containing Space, by Time, and by Law. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 47. When consciousness is disengaged from objects, Liberation from the > > > > forms > > > > of the world-containing Space, of Time, and of Law is attained. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 48. Attachment to objects is consciousness bound within the Universe. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 49. Liberation from such attachment is the State of unlimited Nirvanic > > > > Freedom. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 50. But Consciousness-without-an-object is neither bondage nor > > > > freedom. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 51. Consciousness-without-an-object may be symbolized by a SPACE that > > > > is > > > > unaffected by the presence or absence of objects, for which there is > > > > neither > > > > Time nor Timelessness, neither a world-containing Space nor a Spatial > > > > Void, > > > > neither Tension nor Equilibrium, neither Resistance nor Creativeness, > > > > neither Agony nor Bliss, neither Action nor Rest, and neither > > > > Restriction > > > > nor Freedom. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 52. As the GREAT SPACE is not to be identified with the Universe, so > > > > neither > > > > is It to be identified with any Self. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 53. The GREAT SPACE is not God, but the comprehender of all Gods, as > > > > well > > > > as > > > > of all lesser creatures. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 54. The GREAT SPACE, or Consciousness-without-an-object, is the Sole > > > > Reality > > > > upon which all objects and all selves depend and derive their > > > > existence. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 55. The GREAT SPACE comprehends both the Path of the Universe and the > > > > Path > > > > of Nirvana. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > 56. Beside the GREAT SPACE there is none other. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > > > > > > > geo>Well bob....all you have to do is change the expression > > > > Consciousness-without-an-object to Awareness or Absolute and you will > > > > se > > > > that many of us have been saying what is writen above. > > > > > > " many of us " ???? > > > > > > OMG! > > > > > > there's no use in even trying. > > > > > > ok geo. > > > > > > stay where you are. > > > > > > All Will Be Well.. > > > > > > all manner of " thing " will be well. > > > > > > Merry Christmas geo...and enjoy the dream fella... > > > > > > where " you " can continue to believe " you " have a handle on " THIS " . > > > > > > and " you " can continue to pridefully defend.. > > > > > > what " you " and " many of you " have been saying. > > > > > > why gosh the bet here is.. > > > > > > that you've been at this stuff for several weeks by now. > > > > > > no wonder you're an expert! > > > > > > no wonder " you " should be and should have been " listened to " ... > > > > > > by all the " others " that are not the " many of us " . > > > > > > actually..there's no " Wonder " in " you " at all. > > > > > > Ho Ho Ho! > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > OK....SOME of us is better. > > > But would it be too big a leap to swapp those expressions one for the > > > other? > > > Yes....it seems it would for you. > > > -geo- > > > > oh no geo. > > > > i'm sure you're right. > > > > damn straight man! > > > > you know if i just changed a few words around then the words of.. > > > > oh i don't know..let's say.. > > > > Socrates..Plato..Aristotle..Plotinus..Leibniz..Berkley..Hume.. > > > > Rousseau..Spinoza..Kant...Locke..Hegel..Fichte..Kierkegaard.. > > > > Nietzsche..James...Russell..Wittgenstein..Heidegger..Sartre.. > > > > yoiu know..that crew.. > > > > well hell that's what you or many of you have been saying all along. > > > > and if you changed a few notes around.. > > > > my songs are exactly like the works of.. > > > > Bach..Beethoven...Mozart..Handel...Tchaikovsky..Haydn.. > > > > and most of the others. > > > > look geo.. > > > > i'm not going to hold back exactly how i feel about what you said. > > > > you're a goddamn idiot. > > > > grow up.... and maybe grow some brains for crizsakes! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Baba bbb o babaca > > -geo- > > well now.. > > there you go displaying that golden intellect of yours again. > > no wonder you have such a high opinion of yourself. > > watch out though geo.. > > i think that's fool's gold you've got. > > :-) > > .b b.b. > > Who got it? > -geo- duh.. YOU did geo. YOU have fool's gold that you think has value. it doesn't. it's a common as nails and cheap too. now give me some of that trite: " but there is no 'me' " stuff. and then i'll ask: " well who's answering then " ? then you'll say: " it's the timeless and week-less " .. and i'll say: " well i wasn't talking to 'them'.... and besides you are not 'timeless and weekless' " .. and you'll say: " yes but that's who's answering " .. and you'll " think " you're being astute. but you'll just be being boring and brainless again. you take pride in the most inane stuff. and you can't even see that you are stroking that ego.. without any justification i might add.. and then you'll go on to say you're above it all. crap..pure and simple! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Couple a years ago I would talk a lot about nothingness and > > > > > > > > emptiness and not distinguish between them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A person, familiar with buddhism, kindly told me a couple of > > > > > > > > times or more that in buddhism emptiness and nothingness are > > > > > > > > not the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never really understood the difference till last night. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What happened last night? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Nothing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. You have hereby answered your own question to me: > > > > > what is the difference between emptiness and nothingness. > > > > > Thanks vm - always appreciate it when others do the hard > > > > > work for me ... if you will excuse du conventional lingo. > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > P: No, I didn't answer, but I could, since you don't want > > > > to. Emptiness in Buddhist is a concept that indicates > > > > lack of independent self-hood. When a Buddhist says, all > > > > things are empty, it means no thing can exist of itself, > > > > but comes into being in relation. This applies even to > > > > Buddhahood, and emptiness itself. Nothing means total absence, > > > > including the absence of the presence of absence. > > > > > > > > Nothingness, of course, doesn't exist. A perfect vacuum has been > > > > demonstrated to have the negative energy of virtual particles > > > > appearing and disappearing in space. Nothing is just another > > > > word for unconsciousness, total not knowing. Of course, I'm > > > > not saying my understanding is th same as yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the explanation. > > > > > > Our understanding is not different from one another regarding > > > emptiness and nothingness. > > > > > > Will try to remember the expression " self-hood " . I never know > > > what to call it. > > > > > > The whole thing became clear to me in a dream this morning. I > > > am talking about the difference between dream where self-hood > > > is present - and dream when self-hood is absent, and there is > > > but relating without a relator (self, observer, thinker etc.) > > > Empty center. At a certain point in the dream a self-creature > > > entered which created incredible havoc - because the self was > > > like outside the dream and interfering with what was going on > > > from its apparently outside-of-the-dream position. The result > > > was conflict of course as always, when there is this distance > > > between one and one, which makes for the illusion that one is > > > two - but then the whole dream is an illusion already so what > > > the heck - except the dream is much nicer, when there is only > > > one present - when it is but one presence -- relating with it > > > self. > > > > > > It (little red selfhood) came (not a surprise) in the form of > > > thinking, speculation, reflection about what was taking place > > > in the dream. > > > > > > > > And most important - qua this creation of division which breeds > > confusion and conflict -- this " self " wants to be in control of > > the confusion which its very own entering the stage has created > > and what used to be " just a flow of a little of everything " now becomes a veritable battle-field. > > > > -Lene > > > yet in Actuality... > > between " this creation of division " .. > > and.. > > " just a flow of a little of everything " .. > > not a Moment of difference Arises. > > the " real-time bastard.. > > is not other than the most subliminal Divine. > > let " Us " here together once again ponder the words of the sage.. > > Franklin-Merrell-Wolff.. > > baba's first..last...and only mentor: > > APHORISMS ON CONSCIOUSNESS-WITHOUT-AN-OBJECT > > • > > 1. Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > • > > 2. Before objects were, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > • > > 3. Though objects seem to exist, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > • > > 4. When objects vanish, yet remaining through all unaffected, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > • > > 5. Outside of Consciousness-without-an-object nothing is. > > • > > 6. Within the bosom of Consciousness-without-an-object lies the power of awareness that projects objects. > > • > > 7. When objects are projected, the power of awareness as subject is presupposed, yet Consciousness-without-an-object remains unchanged. > > • > > 8. When consciousness of objects is born, then, likewise, consciousness of absence of objects arises. > > • > > 9. Consciousness of objects is the Universe. > > • > > 10. Consciousness of absence of objects is Nirvana. > > • > > 11. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lie both the Universe and Nirvana, yet to Consciousness-without-an-object these two are the same. > > • > > 12. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of Time. > > • > > 13. When awareness cognizes Time then knowledge of Timelessness is born. > > • > > 14. To be aware of Time is to be aware of the Universe, and to be aware of the Universe is to be aware of Time. > > • > > 15. To realize Timelessness is to attain Nirvana. > > • > > 16. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference between Time and Timelessness. > > • > > 17. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of the world-containing Space. > > • > > 18. When awareness cognizes the world-containing Space then knowledge of the Spatial Void is born. > > • > > 19. To be aware of the world-containing Space is to be aware of the Universe of Objects. > > • > > 20. To realize the Spatial Void is to awaken to Nirvanic Consciousness. > > • > > 21. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference between the world-containing Space and the Spatial Void. > > • > > 22. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the Seed of Law. > > • > > 23. When consciousness of objects is born the Law is invoked as a Force tending ever toward Equilibrium. Yeah, that is me all right. Born on the 23rd I always skim lists like this with numbers till I get to the no. 23. If what it says there is true - I guess the rest of it is too It is a long list and I will read it carefully when/if I get the opportunity. Thank you Bob - have a nice one. -Lene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Couple a years ago I would talk a lot about nothingness and > > > > > > > > > emptiness and not distinguish between them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A person, familiar with buddhism, kindly told me a couple of > > > > > > > > > times or more that in buddhism emptiness and nothingness are > > > > > > > > > not the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never really understood the difference till last night. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What happened last night? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Nothing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. You have hereby answered your own question to me: > > > > > > what is the difference between emptiness and nothingness. > > > > > > Thanks vm - always appreciate it when others do the hard > > > > > > work for me ... if you will excuse du conventional lingo. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > P: No, I didn't answer, but I could, since you don't want > > > > > to. Emptiness in Buddhist is a concept that indicates > > > > > lack of independent self-hood. When a Buddhist says, all > > > > > things are empty, it means no thing can exist of itself, > > > > > but comes into being in relation. This applies even to > > > > > Buddhahood, and emptiness itself. Nothing means total absence, > > > > > including the absence of the presence of absence. > > > > > > > > > > Nothingness, of course, doesn't exist. A perfect vacuum has been > > > > > demonstrated to have the negative energy of virtual particles > > > > > appearing and disappearing in space. Nothing is just another > > > > > word for unconsciousness, total not knowing. Of course, I'm > > > > > not saying my understanding is th same as yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the explanation. > > > > > > > > Our understanding is not different from one another regarding > > > > emptiness and nothingness. > > > > > > > > Will try to remember the expression " self-hood " . I never know > > > > what to call it. > > > > > > > > The whole thing became clear to me in a dream this morning. I > > > > am talking about the difference between dream where self-hood > > > > is present - and dream when self-hood is absent, and there is > > > > but relating without a relator (self, observer, thinker etc.) > > > > Empty center. At a certain point in the dream a self-creature > > > > entered which created incredible havoc - because the self was > > > > like outside the dream and interfering with what was going on > > > > from its apparently outside-of-the-dream position. The result > > > > was conflict of course as always, when there is this distance > > > > between one and one, which makes for the illusion that one is > > > > two - but then the whole dream is an illusion already so what > > > > the heck - except the dream is much nicer, when there is only > > > > one present - when it is but one presence -- relating with it > > > > self. > > > > > > > > It (little red selfhood) came (not a surprise) in the form of > > > > thinking, speculation, reflection about what was taking place > > > > in the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > And most important - qua this creation of division which breeds > > > confusion and conflict -- this " self " wants to be in control of > > > the confusion which its very own entering the stage has created > > > and what used to be " just a flow of a little of everything " now becomes a veritable battle-field. > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > yet in Actuality... > > > > between " this creation of division " .. > > > > and.. > > > > " just a flow of a little of everything " .. > > > > not a Moment of difference Arises. > > > > the " real-time bastard.. > > > > is not other than the most subliminal Divine. > > > > let " Us " here together once again ponder the words of the sage.. > > > > Franklin-Merrell-Wolff.. > > > > baba's first..last...and only mentor: > > > > APHORISMS ON CONSCIOUSNESS-WITHOUT-AN-OBJECT > > > > • > > > > 1. Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > • > > > > 2. Before objects were, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > • > > > > 3. Though objects seem to exist, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > • > > > > 4. When objects vanish, yet remaining through all unaffected, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > • > > > > 5. Outside of Consciousness-without-an-object nothing is. > > > > • > > > > 6. Within the bosom of Consciousness-without-an-object lies the power of awareness that projects objects. > > > > • > > > > 7. When objects are projected, the power of awareness as subject is presupposed, yet Consciousness-without-an-object remains unchanged. > > > > • > > > > 8. When consciousness of objects is born, then, likewise, consciousness of absence of objects arises. > > > > • > > > > 9. Consciousness of objects is the Universe. > > > > • > > > > 10. Consciousness of absence of objects is Nirvana. > > > > • > > > > 11. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lie both the Universe and Nirvana, yet to Consciousness-without-an-object these two are the same. > > > > • > > > > 12. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of Time. > > > > • > > > > 13. When awareness cognizes Time then knowledge of Timelessness is born. > > > > • > > > > 14. To be aware of Time is to be aware of the Universe, and to be aware of the Universe is to be aware of Time. > > > > • > > > > 15. To realize Timelessness is to attain Nirvana. > > > > • > > > > 16. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference between Time and Timelessness. > > > > • > > > > 17. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of the world-containing Space. > > > > • > > > > 18. When awareness cognizes the world-containing Space then knowledge of the Spatial Void is born. > > > > • > > > > 19. To be aware of the world-containing Space is to be aware of the Universe of Objects. > > > > • > > > > 20. To realize the Spatial Void is to awaken to Nirvanic Consciousness. > > > > • > > > > 21. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference between the world-containing Space and the Spatial Void. > > > > • > > > > 22. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the Seed of Law. > > > > • > > > > 23. When consciousness of objects is born the Law is invoked as a Force tending ever toward Equilibrium. > > > > > Yeah, that is me all right. Born on the 23rd I always skim lists > like this with numbers till I get to the no. 23. If what it says > there is true - I guess the rest of it is too > > It is a long list and I will read it carefully when/if I get the > opportunity. > > Thank you Bob - have a nice one. > > -Lene there is nothing beyond 23. there is nothing before 23. there is no..nor has been..a true 23. the Pointless Point.. from which some though not many... can see What they see.. What they see's THAT they see.. there' no " you " nor no " me " . opportunity knocks not twice. like the postman so nice. both and neither are true. but don't you be blue. if to skim is your whim don't go out on a limb. it matter's not a whit. this Dark never get's lit. the Dazzling Dark is not known by a lark it's felt only lightly the One sole Almighty. so now don't " you " read.. there's no need there's no need. there's no thinking there's no nothing.. no need to need feed. it's by taking no thought that the Light is Self-caught. ..b b.b. p.s. thanks for the salutation. the Only One i can take is Always a Good One. i wouldn't nor couldn't.. have " IT " any other Way. :-) [.bx3] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 > > > APHORISMS ON CONSCIOUSNESS-WITHOUT-AN-OBJECT > > > > > > • > > > > > > 1. Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 2. Before objects were, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 3. Though objects seem to exist, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 4. When objects vanish, yet remaining through all unaffected, Consciousness-without-an-object is. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 5. Outside of Consciousness-without-an-object nothing is. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 6. Within the bosom of Consciousness-without-an-object lies the power of awareness that projects objects. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 7. When objects are projected, the power of awareness as subject is presupposed, yet Consciousness-without-an-object remains unchanged. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 8. When consciousness of objects is born, then, likewise, consciousness of absence of objects arises. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 9. Consciousness of objects is the Universe. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 10. Consciousness of absence of objects is Nirvana. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 11. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lie both the Universe and Nirvana, yet to Consciousness-without-an-object these two are the same. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 12. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of Time. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 13. When awareness cognizes Time then knowledge of Timelessness is born. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 14. To be aware of Time is to be aware of the Universe, and to be aware of the Universe is to be aware of Time. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 15. To realize Timelessness is to attain Nirvana. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 16. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference between Time and Timelessness. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 17. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the seed of the world-containing Space. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 18. When awareness cognizes the world-containing Space then knowledge of the Spatial Void is born. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 19. To be aware of the world-containing Space is to be aware of the Universe of Objects. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 20. To realize the Spatial Void is to awaken to Nirvanic Consciousness. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 21. But for Consciousness-without-an-object there is no difference between the world-containing Space and the Spatial Void. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 22. Within Consciousness-without-an-object lies the Seed of Law. > > > > > > • > > > > > > 23. When consciousness of objects is born the Law is invoked as a Force tending ever toward Equilibrium. > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, that is me all right. Born on the 23rd I always skim lists > > like this with numbers till I get to the no. 23. If what it says > > there is true - I guess the rest of it is too > > > > It is a long list and I will read it carefully when/if I get the > > opportunity. > > > > Thank you Bob - have a nice one. > > > > -Lene > > > > > > there is nothing beyond 23. > > there is nothing before 23. > > there is no..nor has been..a true 23. > > > the Pointless Point.. > > from which some though not many... > > can see What they see.. > > What they see's THAT they see.. > > there' no " you " nor no " me " . > > > opportunity knocks not twice. > > like the postman so nice. > > both and neither are true. > > but don't you be blue. > > > if to skim is your whim > > don't go out on a limb. > > it matter's not a whit. > > this Dark never get's lit. > > > > the Dazzling Dark > > is not known by a lark > > it's felt only lightly > > the One sole Almighty. > > > so now don't " you " read.. there's no need there's no need. > > there's no thinking there's no nothing.. no need to need feed. > > it's by taking no thought > > that the Light is Self-caught. > > > .b b.b. > > > > p.s. > > thanks for the salutation. > > the Only One i can take is Always a Good One. > > i wouldn't nor couldn't.. > > have " IT " any other Way. > > :-) > > [.bx3] p.p.s. i should have mentioned.. before i remembered to forget.. that i forgot to remember.. the above above but not the above above that above.. was penned by an alter-Alter Ego: " Dr. Zeus " . ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Couple a years ago I would talk a lot about nothingness and > > > > > > > emptiness and not distinguish between them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A person, familiar with buddhism, kindly told me a couple of > > > > > > > times or more that in buddhism emptiness and nothingness are > > > > > > > not the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never really understood the difference till last night. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What happened last night? > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Nothing! > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. You have hereby answered your own question to me: > > > > what is the difference between emptiness and nothingness. > > > > Thanks vm - always appreciate it when others do the hard > > > > work for me ... if you will excuse du conventional lingo. > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > P: No, I didn't answer, but I could, since you don't want > > > to. Emptiness in Buddhist is a concept that indicates > > > lack of independent self-hood. When a Buddhist says, all > > > things are empty, it means no thing can exist of itself, > > > but comes into being in relation. This applies even to > > > Buddhahood, and emptiness itself. Nothing means total absence, > > > including the absence of the presence of absence. > > > > > > Nothingness, of course, doesn't exist. A perfect vacuum has been > > > demonstrated to have the negative energy of virtual particles > > > appearing and disappearing in space. Nothing is just another > > > word for unconsciousness, total not knowing. Of course, I'm > > > not saying my understanding is th same as yours. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the explanation. > > > > Our understanding is not different from one another regarding > > emptiness and nothingness. > > > > Will try to remember the expression " self-hood " . I never know > > what to call it. > > > > The whole thing became clear to me in a dream this morning. I > > am talking about the difference between dream where self-hood > > is present - and dream when self-hood is absent, and there is > > but relating without a relator (self, observer, thinker etc.) > > Empty center. At a certain point in the dream a self-creature > > entered which created incredible havoc - because the self was > > like outside the dream and interfering with what was going on > > from its apparently outside-of-the-dream position. The result > > was conflict of course as always, when there is this distance > > between one and one, which makes for the illusion that one is > > two - but then the whole dream is an illusion already so what > > the heck - except the dream is much nicer, when there is only > > one present - when it is but one presence -- relating with it > > self. > > > > It (little red selfhood) came (not a surprise) in the form of > > thinking, speculation, reflection about what was taking place > > in the dream. > > > > And most important - qua this creation of division which breeds > confusion and conflict -- this " self " wants to be in control of > the confusion which its very own entering the stage has created > and what used to be " just a flow of a little of everything " now becomes a veritable battle-field. > > -Lene P: Thanks for your answer. Emptiness and co-dependent origination go together like this in Buddhism: Awareness has no independent self. Awareness exist because the world exist, the world exist because awareness exists. Both depend on each other. They arise together luck in an inescapable sine qua non. Reactivity to the world we see abates when we realize that. Awareness and the world will forever march in luck step changing as they go. There is nothing to fight, it will change of itself like a dream. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > P: Thanks for your answer. Emptiness and co-dependent > origination go together like this in Buddhism: Awareness > has no independent self. Awareness exist because the world > exist, the world exist because awareness exists. Both > depend on each other. They arise together lock in an > inescapable sine qua non. Reactivity to the world we > see abates when we realize that. Awareness and the world > will forever march in lockstep changing as they go. > There is nothing to fight, it will change by itself like > a dream. > > geo> So that is what Buddhism says. And what you - pete - think about that? P: Obviously, I agree. Why quote something that is deemed false. Do you do post things that you think are false? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 P: Thanks for your answer. Emptiness and co-dependent origination go together like this in Buddhism: Awareness has no independent self. Awareness exist because the world exist, the world exist because awareness exists. Both depend on each other. They arise together luck in an inescapable sine qua non. Reactivity to the world we see abates when we realize that. Awareness and the world will forever march in luck step changing as they go. There is nothing to fight, it will change of itself like a dream. geo> So that is what Buddhism says. And what you - pete - think about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:32 PM Re: Attachment Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > P: Thanks for your answer. Emptiness and co-dependent > origination go together like this in Buddhism: Awareness > has no independent self. Awareness exist because the world > exist, the world exist because awareness exists. Both > depend on each other. They arise together lock in an > inescapable sine qua non. Reactivity to the world we > see abates when we realize that. Awareness and the world > will forever march in lockstep changing as they go. > There is nothing to fight, it will change by itself like > a dream. > > geo> So that is what Buddhism says. And what you - pete - think about > that? P: Obviously, I agree. Why quote something that is deemed false. Do you do post things that you think are false? geo> Don't take me wrong, I had to ask whether you agree because you more then once said that people talk about emptiness or nothingness or the absolute or awareness as if it was something. In which way your quote is different in the sense that when it refers to awareness is not treating it as something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:32 PM > Re: Attachment > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > P: Thanks for your answer. Emptiness and co-dependent > > origination go together like this in Buddhism: Awareness > > has no independent self. Awareness exist because the world > > exist, the world exist because awareness exists. Both > > depend on each other. They arise together lock in an > > inescapable sine qua non. Reactivity to the world we > > see abates when we realize that. Awareness and the world > > will forever march in lockstep changing as they go. > > There is nothing to fight, it will change by itself like > > a dream. > > > > geo> So that is what Buddhism says. And what you - pete - think about > > that? > > P: Obviously, I agree. Why quote something that is deemed > false. Do you do post things that you think are false? > > geo> Don't take me wrong, I had to ask whether you agree because you more > then once said that people talk about emptiness or nothingness or the > absolute or awareness as if it was something. In which way your quote is > different in the sense that when it refers to awareness is not treating it > as something? P: Geo, you seem to read without understanding, or you don't remember much of what you read. My statements didn't negate they are a something as sensations or concepts in a brain. My statements negate they are something outside the brain. They Are not like a super pace which contains everything. Awareness is a product of a brain, just as emotions are. Certainly it is a special product because without it no thing can be known to exist, not even time/space. Awareness and the world arise co-dependently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:36 PM > Re: Attachment > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > cerosoul > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:32 PM > > Re: Attachment > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > P: Thanks for your answer. Emptiness and co-dependent > > > origination go together like this in Buddhism: Awareness > > > has no independent self. Awareness exist because the world > > > exist, the world exist because awareness exists. Both > > > depend on each other. They arise together lock in an > > > inescapable sine qua non. Reactivity to the world we > > > see abates when we realize that. Awareness and the world > > > will forever march in lockstep changing as they go. > > > There is nothing to fight, it will change by itself like > > > a dream. > > > > > > geo> So that is what Buddhism says. And what you - pete - think about > > > that? > > > > P: Obviously, I agree. Why quote something that is deemed > > false. Do you do post things that you think are false? > > > > geo> Don't take me wrong, I had to ask whether you agree because you more > > then once said that people talk about emptiness or nothingness or the > > absolute or awareness as if it was something. In which way your quote is > > different in the sense that when it refers to awareness is not treating it > > as something? > > P: Geo, you seem to read without understanding, > or you don't remember much of what you read. > > My statements didn't negate they are a something > as sensations or concepts in a brain. My statements > negate they are something outside the brain. They > Are not like a super pace which contains everything. > > Awareness is a product of a brain, just as emotions > are. Certainly it is a special product because without > it no thing can be known to exist, not even time/space. > > Awareness and the world arise co-dependently. > > geo> " Awareness is a product of a brain, just as emotions are. " > So you are saying that the absolute is a product of the brain... P: Do you know any absolute other than the idea of an absolute, or a sensation you label that way? I have asked you this before, haven't I? Have you? Yes, or no? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:36 PM > Re: Attachment > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > cerosoul > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:32 PM > > Re: Attachment > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > P: Thanks for your answer. Emptiness and co-dependent > > > origination go together like this in Buddhism: Awareness > > > has no independent self. Awareness exist because the world > > > exist, the world exist because awareness exists. Both > > > depend on each other. They arise together lock in an > > > inescapable sine qua non. Reactivity to the world we > > > see abates when we realize that. Awareness and the world > > > will forever march in lockstep changing as they go. > > > There is nothing to fight, it will change by itself like > > > a dream. > > > > > > geo> So that is what Buddhism says. And what you - pete - think about > > > that? > > > > P: Obviously, I agree. Why quote something that is deemed > > false. Do you do post things that you think are false? > > > > geo> Don't take me wrong, I had to ask whether you agree because you more > > then once said that people talk about emptiness or nothingness or the > > absolute or awareness as if it was something. In which way your quote is > > different in the sense that when it refers to awareness is not treating it > > as something? > > P: Geo, you seem to read without understanding, > or you don't remember much of what you read. > > My statements didn't negate they are a something > as sensations or concepts in a brain. My statements > negate they are something outside the brain. They > Are not like a super pace which contains everything. > > Awareness is a product of a brain, just as emotions > are. Certainly it is a special product because without > it no thing can be known to exist, not even time/space. > > Awareness and the world arise co-dependently. > > geo> " Awareness is a product of a brain, just as emotions are. " > So you are saying that the absolute is a product of the brain... Pete.. i have been working with geo on his reading comprehension deal.. and on his pace of reading too quickly.. as well as this business of his need to too quickly reply.. before even " getting " what's been said. as you can see...he hasn't made much progress as of yet. but he's working on becoming a better student. patience is key here. geo thinks he knows what you have to say.. before you even say ANYTHING. and he has of course an answer for that. no matter what has been said.. nor what anyone ever has thought or written.. if you just swap a few words here and there.. he's already and always been saying or thinking or writing... the EXACT same thing. which is also wrong if someone else is saying it and not him. this he must negate or question immediately of course. he's not sure if he like what he already thought about.. or said or wrote BEFORE what he's replying to. if you agree with him it's ok. it seems somehow to break this vicious cycle. there are several different names for this syndrome. but if any one of those labels is designated as applying to him.. he's quick to respond that that's not true.. and that he knows more about that stuff.. than even the original theorists regarding same. and this is of course because if you just changed a word or two.. in the writings of those theorists.. they're just saying what he already and always has been saying.. but of course that theory doesn't apply to him.. because he's not the one saying as much at the time. this may..and often does..change through time. it's a process that allows him to never be wrong.. to always be right.. to have always been trying to say " whatever it is " forever.. but a process that also says that no one seems to see that. so therefore you are wrong and he is right. and naturally it took him no time whatsoever to understand this. he's timeless..space-less..energy-less..selfless too. except he gets upset if you say that that's not true. he may seem to have a prideful self.. but this is just so he can communicate with the " fallen " . he's his own teacher of the unteachable truth. it's actually quite a racket come to think of it. unfortunately he's not too successful as of yet. but keep a watchful eye on our: Son of Brazil. :-) ..b b.b. p.s. now geo relax.. have some fun. i know i'm wrong even if i'm right.. because you haven't yet said the same thing. well.. actually you have but it was about me..or whoever.. and you knew it all the time. and i just stole your previous idea by changing a word or two. smile now.. even if you didn't think about smiling first and foremost. i won't tell anyone anyway. anyway..who's to tell and who is the teller feller? i mean.. nah.. you mean what you say even if it's Moses that said it. :-) [.bx3] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:36 PM Re: Attachment Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:32 PM > Re: Attachment > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > P: Thanks for your answer. Emptiness and co-dependent > > origination go together like this in Buddhism: Awareness > > has no independent self. Awareness exist because the world > > exist, the world exist because awareness exists. Both > > depend on each other. They arise together lock in an > > inescapable sine qua non. Reactivity to the world we > > see abates when we realize that. Awareness and the world > > will forever march in lockstep changing as they go. > > There is nothing to fight, it will change by itself like > > a dream. > > > > geo> So that is what Buddhism says. And what you - pete - think about > > that? > > P: Obviously, I agree. Why quote something that is deemed > false. Do you do post things that you think are false? > > geo> Don't take me wrong, I had to ask whether you agree because you more > then once said that people talk about emptiness or nothingness or the > absolute or awareness as if it was something. In which way your quote is > different in the sense that when it refers to awareness is not treating it > as something? P: Geo, you seem to read without understanding, or you don't remember much of what you read. My statements didn't negate they are a something as sensations or concepts in a brain. My statements negate they are something outside the brain. They Are not like a super pace which contains everything. Awareness is a product of a brain, just as emotions are. Certainly it is a special product because without it no thing can be known to exist, not even time/space. Awareness and the world arise co-dependently. geo> " Awareness is a product of a brain, just as emotions are. " So you are saying that the absolute is a product of the brain... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Sunday, December 13, 2009 2:13 PM > Re: Attachment > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > cerosoul > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:36 PM > > Re: Attachment > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > cerosoul > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:32 PM > > > Re: Attachment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > P: Thanks for your answer. Emptiness and co-dependent > > > > origination go together like this in Buddhism: Awareness > > > > has no independent self. Awareness exist because the world > > > > exist, the world exist because awareness exists. Both > > > > depend on each other. They arise together lock in an > > > > inescapable sine qua non. Reactivity to the world we > > > > see abates when we realize that. Awareness and the world > > > > will forever march in lockstep changing as they go. > > > > There is nothing to fight, it will change by itself like > > > > a dream. > > > > > > > > geo> So that is what Buddhism says. And what you - pete - think about > > > > that? > > > > > > P: Obviously, I agree. Why quote something that is deemed > > > false. Do you do post things that you think are false? > > > > > > geo> Don't take me wrong, I had to ask whether you agree because you > > > more > > > then once said that people talk about emptiness or nothingness or the > > > absolute or awareness as if it was something. In which way your quote is > > > different in the sense that when it refers to awareness is not treating > > > it > > > as something? > > > > P: Geo, you seem to read without understanding, > > or you don't remember much of what you read. > > > > My statements didn't negate they are a something > > as sensations or concepts in a brain. My statements > > negate they are something outside the brain. They > > Are not like a super pace which contains everything. > > > > Awareness is a product of a brain, just as emotions > > are. Certainly it is a special product because without > > it no thing can be known to exist, not even time/space. > > > > Awareness and the world arise co-dependently. > > > > geo> " Awareness is a product of a brain, just as emotions are. " > > So you are saying that the absolute is a product of the brain... > > Pete.. > > i have been working with geo on his reading comprehension deal.. > > and on his pace of reading too quickly.. > > as well as this business of his need to too quickly reply.. > > before even " getting " what's been said. > > as you can see...he hasn't made much progress as of yet. > > but he's working on becoming a better student. > > patience is key here. > > geo thinks he knows what you have to say.. > > before you even say ANYTHING. > > and he has of course an answer for that. > > no matter what has been said.. > > nor what anyone ever has thought or written.. > > if you just swap a few words here and there.. > > he's already and always been saying or thinking or writing... > > the EXACT same thing. > > which is also wrong if someone else is saying it and not him. > > this he must negate or question immediately of course. > > he's not sure if he like what he already thought about.. > > or said or wrote BEFORE what he's replying to. > > if you agree with him it's ok. > > it seems somehow to break this vicious cycle. > > there are several different names for this syndrome. > > but if any one of those labels is designated as applying to him.. > > he's quick to respond that that's not true.. > > and that he knows more about that stuff.. > > than even the original theorists regarding same. > > and this is of course because if you just changed a word or two.. > > in the writings of those theorists.. > > they're just saying what he already and always has been saying.. > > but of course that theory doesn't apply to him.. > > because he's not the one saying as much at the time. > > this may..and often does..change through time. > > it's a process that allows him to never be wrong.. > > to always be right.. > > to have always been trying to say " whatever it is " forever.. > > but a process that also says that no one seems to see that. > > so therefore you are wrong and he is right. > > and naturally it took him no time whatsoever to understand this. > > he's timeless..space-less..energy-less..selfless too. > > except he gets upset if you say that that's not true. > > he may seem to have a prideful self.. > > but this is just so he can communicate with the " fallen " . > > he's his own teacher of the unteachable truth. > > it's actually quite a racket come to think of it. > > unfortunately he's not too successful as of yet. > > but keep a watchful eye on our: > > Son of Brazil. > > :-) > > .b b.b. > > p.s. > > now geo relax.. > > have some fun. > > i know i'm wrong even if i'm right.. > > because you haven't yet said the same thing. > > well.. > > actually you have but it was about me..or whoever.. > > and you knew it all the time. > > and i just stole your previous idea by changing a word or two. > > smile now.. > > even if you didn't think about smiling first and foremost. > > i won't tell anyone anyway. > > anyway..who's to tell and who is the teller feller? > > i mean.. > > nah.. > > you mean what you say even if it's Moses that said it. > > :-) > > [.bx3] > > I told you before: they are mixing stuff in these shit our days... > Moderation is the key...besides, joints don't have a filters so beware with > your lungs pall.... > -geo- what in the hell is that supposed to mean.. or what on earth is it saying at all? : " mixing stuff in these shit our days. " ????? " beware with your lungs pall " ???? WTF!!!? are you so upset that you just spit out garbage like this.. garbage like this that isn't even making sense? garbage like this that belies your self righteous anger?.. and all within seconds of not even trying to read and understand.. exactly what has been said and written and meant? you prove my point perfectly geo. you're about as clear and enlightened as a slug. hear now oh bullshit ego-less one.. you protest too much. you haven't the slightest notion of how to have fun either. listen geo.. quit trying to project what is apparently your drug usage onto me. i don't use them at all.. but you... by accusing me so often of same.. evidently have a serious habit in narcotic abuse. drink some of that Brazilian coffee instead chum. that's my only addiction.. but i must confess i prefer Colombian Supremo over those Brazil beans. maybe i'm beginning to understand why that is now. primarily geo.. you take yourself so seriously it's going to make you sick. and stop sending out defensive responses.. before you even understand that nothing has been said.. that requires that you must do so. you come out with shields and there aren't any weapons aimed at you. i would almost think that maybe you have WSDs (weapons of self destruction). except you would NEVER entertain the notion of causing destruction.. to your phony " self " . that in a nutshell is your problem. what the hell are you afraid of? have a smile now and again before it's too late. because sooner or later geo.. that ego thing is going to die.. and thank God or whatever you call It...for THAT. sheesh! ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:48 PM Re: Attachment Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:36 PM > Re: Attachment > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > cerosoul > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:32 PM > > Re: Attachment > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > P: Thanks for your answer. Emptiness and co-dependent > > > origination go together like this in Buddhism: Awareness > > > has no independent self. Awareness exist because the world > > > exist, the world exist because awareness exists. Both > > > depend on each other. They arise together lock in an > > > inescapable sine qua non. Reactivity to the world we > > > see abates when we realize that. Awareness and the world > > > will forever march in lockstep changing as they go. > > > There is nothing to fight, it will change by itself like > > > a dream. > > > > > > geo> So that is what Buddhism says. And what you - pete - think about > > > that? > > > > P: Obviously, I agree. Why quote something that is deemed > > false. Do you do post things that you think are false? > > > > geo> Don't take me wrong, I had to ask whether you agree because you > > more > > then once said that people talk about emptiness or nothingness or the > > absolute or awareness as if it was something. In which way your quote is > > different in the sense that when it refers to awareness is not treating > > it > > as something? > > P: Geo, you seem to read without understanding, > or you don't remember much of what you read. > > My statements didn't negate they are a something > as sensations or concepts in a brain. My statements > negate they are something outside the brain. They > Are not like a super pace which contains everything. > > Awareness is a product of a brain, just as emotions > are. Certainly it is a special product because without > it no thing can be known to exist, not even time/space. > > Awareness and the world arise co-dependently. > > geo> " Awareness is a product of a brain, just as emotions are. " > So you are saying that the absolute is a product of the brain... P: Do you know any absolute other than the idea of an absolute, or a sensation you label that way? I have asked you this before, haven't I? Have you? Yes, or no? geo> And I have answered you that all sensations and ideas are grounded on the absolute - not one or any other particular one. There is no sensation or idea that is not the absolute's awareness of perceptions. Insight into the nature of what is is not a product of the brain. Idea of an absolute is not the absolute is just an idea.You are just doing mental acrobatics/contortions to fit some conceptual notion of non-duality/absolute into the focus of the intellectual/logical mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Sunday, December 13, 2009 3:06 PM Re: Re: Attachment - cerosoul Nisargadatta Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:48 PM Re: Attachment Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:36 PM > Re: Attachment > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > cerosoul > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:32 PM > > Re: Attachment > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > P: Thanks for your answer. Emptiness and co-dependent > > > origination go together like this in Buddhism: Awareness > > > has no independent self. Awareness exist because the world > > > exist, the world exist because awareness exists. Both > > > depend on each other. They arise together lock in an > > > inescapable sine qua non. Reactivity to the world we > > > see abates when we realize that. Awareness and the world > > > will forever march in lockstep changing as they go. > > > There is nothing to fight, it will change by itself like > > > a dream. > > > > > > geo> So that is what Buddhism says. And what you - pete - think about > > > that? > > > > P: Obviously, I agree. Why quote something that is deemed > > false. Do you do post things that you think are false? > > > > geo> Don't take me wrong, I had to ask whether you agree because you > > more > > then once said that people talk about emptiness or nothingness or the > > absolute or awareness as if it was something. In which way your quote is > > different in the sense that when it refers to awareness is not treating > > it > > as something? > > P: Geo, you seem to read without understanding, > or you don't remember much of what you read. > > My statements didn't negate they are a something > as sensations or concepts in a brain. My statements > negate they are something outside the brain. They > Are not like a super pace which contains everything. > > Awareness is a product of a brain, just as emotions > are. Certainly it is a special product because without > it no thing can be known to exist, not even time/space. > > Awareness and the world arise co-dependently. > > geo> " Awareness is a product of a brain, just as emotions are. " > So you are saying that the absolute is a product of the brain... P: Do you know any absolute other than the idea of an absolute, or a sensation you label that way? I have asked you this before, haven't I? Have you? Yes, or no? geo> And I have answered you that all sensations and ideas are grounded on the absolute - not one or any other particular one. There is no sensation or idea that is not the absolute's awareness of perceptions. Insight into the nature of what is is not a product of the brain. Idea of an absolute is not the absolute is just an idea.You are just doing mental acrobatics/contortions to fit some conceptual notion of non-duality/absolute into the focus of the intellectual/logical mind. It is amazing that you don't see the absurdity of what you are saying - even intellectually. An absolute that fits " INTO " a brain (as sensation) could be the absolute? The brain then, that contains it, would be " more absolute " (???) then the absolute itself. :>) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 - BobN Nisargadatta Sunday, December 13, 2009 2:13 PM Re: Attachment Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:36 PM > Re: Attachment > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > cerosoul > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:32 PM > > Re: Attachment > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > P: Thanks for your answer. Emptiness and co-dependent > > > origination go together like this in Buddhism: Awareness > > > has no independent self. Awareness exist because the world > > > exist, the world exist because awareness exists. Both > > > depend on each other. They arise together lock in an > > > inescapable sine qua non. Reactivity to the world we > > > see abates when we realize that. Awareness and the world > > > will forever march in lockstep changing as they go. > > > There is nothing to fight, it will change by itself like > > > a dream. > > > > > > geo> So that is what Buddhism says. And what you - pete - think about > > > that? > > > > P: Obviously, I agree. Why quote something that is deemed > > false. Do you do post things that you think are false? > > > > geo> Don't take me wrong, I had to ask whether you agree because you > > more > > then once said that people talk about emptiness or nothingness or the > > absolute or awareness as if it was something. In which way your quote is > > different in the sense that when it refers to awareness is not treating > > it > > as something? > > P: Geo, you seem to read without understanding, > or you don't remember much of what you read. > > My statements didn't negate they are a something > as sensations or concepts in a brain. My statements > negate they are something outside the brain. They > Are not like a super pace which contains everything. > > Awareness is a product of a brain, just as emotions > are. Certainly it is a special product because without > it no thing can be known to exist, not even time/space. > > Awareness and the world arise co-dependently. > > geo> " Awareness is a product of a brain, just as emotions are. " > So you are saying that the absolute is a product of the brain... Pete.. i have been working with geo on his reading comprehension deal.. and on his pace of reading too quickly.. as well as this business of his need to too quickly reply.. before even " getting " what's been said. as you can see...he hasn't made much progress as of yet. but he's working on becoming a better student. patience is key here. geo thinks he knows what you have to say.. before you even say ANYTHING. and he has of course an answer for that. no matter what has been said.. nor what anyone ever has thought or written.. if you just swap a few words here and there.. he's already and always been saying or thinking or writing... the EXACT same thing. which is also wrong if someone else is saying it and not him. this he must negate or question immediately of course. he's not sure if he like what he already thought about.. or said or wrote BEFORE what he's replying to. if you agree with him it's ok. it seems somehow to break this vicious cycle. there are several different names for this syndrome. but if any one of those labels is designated as applying to him.. he's quick to respond that that's not true.. and that he knows more about that stuff.. than even the original theorists regarding same. and this is of course because if you just changed a word or two.. in the writings of those theorists.. they're just saying what he already and always has been saying.. but of course that theory doesn't apply to him.. because he's not the one saying as much at the time. this may..and often does..change through time. it's a process that allows him to never be wrong.. to always be right.. to have always been trying to say " whatever it is " forever.. but a process that also says that no one seems to see that. so therefore you are wrong and he is right. and naturally it took him no time whatsoever to understand this. he's timeless..space-less..energy-less..selfless too. except he gets upset if you say that that's not true. he may seem to have a prideful self.. but this is just so he can communicate with the " fallen " . he's his own teacher of the unteachable truth. it's actually quite a racket come to think of it. unfortunately he's not too successful as of yet. but keep a watchful eye on our: Son of Brazil. :-) ..b b.b. p.s. now geo relax.. have some fun. i know i'm wrong even if i'm right.. because you haven't yet said the same thing. well.. actually you have but it was about me..or whoever.. and you knew it all the time. and i just stole your previous idea by changing a word or two. smile now.. even if you didn't think about smiling first and foremost. i won't tell anyone anyway. anyway..who's to tell and who is the teller feller? i mean.. nah.. you mean what you say even if it's Moses that said it. :-) [.bx3] I told you before: they are mixing stuff in these shit our days... Moderation is the key...besides, joints don't have a filters so beware with your lungs pall.... -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > I told you before: they are mixing stuff in these shit our days... > > Moderation is the key...besides, joints don't have a filters so beware > > with > > your lungs pall.... > > -geo- > > what in the hell is that supposed to mean.. > > or what on earth is it saying at all? : > > " mixing stuff in these shit our days. " ????? > > " beware with your lungs pall " ???? > > WTF!!!? > > -bbb- > > ...quit trying to project what is apparently your drug usage onto me. > > i don't use them at all.. > > but you... by accusing me so often of same.. > > evidently have a serious habit in narcotic abuse. > > drink some of that Brazilian coffee instead chum. > > that's my only addiction.. > -bbb- > > Well...so you know what the hell that was supposed to mean, or what on earth > is it saying.... after all!! > Just a few lines apart.... and memory fails. > lol lol lol > -geo- are you ok? maybe this tripe is the best we can expect from you i guess. poor chap! ok then.. pretend you know what you're talking about.. pretend that you know what that was supposed to mean.. pretend that anyone else believes either of the above.. pretend that pretending is a valid system of being in the world. pretend that you are not pretending. don't wake up. that's an order and that suits you. congratulations geo.. you're a BIG success. you hide out in the same " place " .. that your nighttime dreams hide out during the day. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 > I told you before: they are mixing stuff in these shit our days... > Moderation is the key...besides, joints don't have a filters so beware > with > your lungs pall.... > -geo- what in the hell is that supposed to mean.. or what on earth is it saying at all? : " mixing stuff in these shit our days. " ????? " beware with your lungs pall " ???? WTF!!!? -bbb- ....quit trying to project what is apparently your drug usage onto me. i don't use them at all.. but you... by accusing me so often of same.. evidently have a serious habit in narcotic abuse. drink some of that Brazilian coffee instead chum. that's my only addiction.. -bbb- Well...so you know what the hell that was supposed to mean, or what on earth is it saying.... after all!! Just a few lines apart.... and memory fails. lol lol lol -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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