Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 > > P: Do you know any absolute other than the idea of an absolute, > or a sensation you label that way? I have asked you this before, > haven't I? Have you? Yes, or no? > > geo> And I have answered you that all sensations and ideas are grounded on > the absolute - not one or any other particular one. There is no sensation or > idea that is not the absolute's awareness of perceptions. Insight into the > nature of what is is not a product of the brain. Idea of an absolute is not > the absolute is just an idea.You are just doing mental > acrobatics/contortions to fit some conceptual notion of non-duality/absolute > into the focus of the intellectual/logical mind. > > It is amazing that you don't see the absurdity of what you are saying - even > intellectually. An absolute that fits " INTO " a brain (as sensation) could be > the absolute? > The brain then, that contains it, would be " more absolute " (???) then the > absolute itself. :>) P: OK, let's make it easier for you. Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? 1) What you know. 2) What you don't know. So, the world is divided into the known and the unknown. Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you call Absolute has to include everything, and you can not know everything, the absolute you talk about must be just a word in your brain. Only your brain and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said about the unknown, but that it is unknown. Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, before you reply > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:42 PM > Re: Making it easier for Geo > > > > > > > > P: Do you know any absolute other than the idea of an absolute, > > or a sensation you label that way? I have asked you this before, > > haven't I? Have you? Yes, or no? > > > > geo> And I have answered you that all sensations and ideas are grounded on > > the absolute - not one or any other particular one. There is no sensation > > or > > idea that is not the absolute's awareness of perceptions. Insight into the > > nature of what is is not a product of the brain. Idea of an absolute is > > not > > the absolute is just an idea.You are just doing mental > > acrobatics/contortions to fit some conceptual notion of > > non-duality/absolute > > into the focus of the intellectual/logical mind. > > > > It is amazing that you don't see the absurdity of what you are saying - > > even > > intellectually. An absolute that fits " INTO " a brain (as sensation) could > > be > > the absolute? > > The brain then, that contains it, would be " more absolute " (???) then the > > absolute itself. :>) > > P: OK, let's make it easier for you. > Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could > ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? > > 1) What you know. > > 2) What you don't know. > > geo> And... > > 3) The unknowable. Te unknown may be known at one point. The unknowable will > NEVER EVER be known by the brain. > > p: So, the world is divided into the known > and the unknown. > > geo> And the unknowable. > > P: Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. > No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, > you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you > call Absolute has to include everything, and you can > not know everything, the absolute you talk about must > be just a word in your brain. Only your brain > and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said > about the unknown, but that it is unknown. > > Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, > before you reply > > geo>If you happen to come up with something very complex and difficult to > grasp I might do that...but for this... > The absolute is unknowable by the human mind or brain...nonetheless it can > be realized through a faculty that I don't know how to name or define. > There is no need to sum up all the unknown items to get the mathematical > result as some absolute (I think this mathematical calculus is called to > cumulate) > ...so the mind wont even start to cumulate (it laughs at the idea instead). > You can not realize the absolute through logic - at one point that must be > left behind. something there is that is laughing at that for sure. so in a way you're right. but you're not right in the way that you think you are. because it's the actual gist of what you attempt to say.. that the joke itself is. you need to leave behind the idea that you understand.. either what's being said to you .. or what you yourself are saying. if you actually imagine that you do understand what you're saying.. and further to that you imagine that you believe it to be true.. your problem is more deep seated than you could possibly imagine. try to imagine that. try try try. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:42 PM Re: Making it easier for Geo > > P: Do you know any absolute other than the idea of an absolute, > or a sensation you label that way? I have asked you this before, > haven't I? Have you? Yes, or no? > > geo> And I have answered you that all sensations and ideas are grounded on > the absolute - not one or any other particular one. There is no sensation > or > idea that is not the absolute's awareness of perceptions. Insight into the > nature of what is is not a product of the brain. Idea of an absolute is > not > the absolute is just an idea.You are just doing mental > acrobatics/contortions to fit some conceptual notion of > non-duality/absolute > into the focus of the intellectual/logical mind. > > It is amazing that you don't see the absurdity of what you are saying - > even > intellectually. An absolute that fits " INTO " a brain (as sensation) could > be > the absolute? > The brain then, that contains it, would be " more absolute " (???) then the > absolute itself. :>) P: OK, let's make it easier for you. Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? 1) What you know. 2) What you don't know. geo> And... 3) The unknowable. Te unknown may be known at one point. The unknowable will NEVER EVER be known by the brain. p: So, the world is divided into the known and the unknown. geo> And the unknowable. P: Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you call Absolute has to include everything, and you can not know everything, the absolute you talk about must be just a word in your brain. Only your brain and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said about the unknown, but that it is unknown. Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, before you reply geo>If you happen to come up with something very complex and difficult to grasp I might do that...but for this... The absolute is unknowable by the human mind or brain...nonetheless it can be realized through a faculty that I don't know how to name or define. There is no need to sum up all the unknown items to get the mathematical result as some absolute (I think this mathematical calculus is called to cumulate) ....so the mind wont even start to cumulate (it laughs at the idea instead). You can not realize the absolute through logic - at one point that must be left behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 > > P: OK, let's make it easier for you. > Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could > ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? > > 1) What you know. > > 2) What you don't know. > > geo> And... > > 3) The unknowable. Te unknown may be known at one point. The unknowable will > NEVER EVER be known by the brain. > > p: So, the world is divided into the known > and the unknown. > > geo> And the unknowable. > > P: Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. > No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, > you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you > call Absolute has to include everything, and you can > not know everything, the absolute you talk about must > be just a word in your brain. Only your brain > and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said > about the unknown, but that it is unknown. > > Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, > before you reply > > geo>If you happen to come up with something very complex and difficult to > grasp I might do that...but for this... P: Geo, anything above " Mary has a little lamb " is too complicated for you because if it's written in English, and you can't understand shit in English. >Geo: The absolute is unknowable by the human mind or brain...nonetheless it can > be realized through a faculty that I don't know how to name or define. P: That is no different THAN ( not then) believing in Santa. > G: There is no need to sum up all the unknown items to get the mathematical > result as some absolute (I think this mathematical calculus is called to cumulate P: If it has not dawn on you yet realization is not math. > >Geo: You can not realize the absolute through logic - at one point that must be > left behind. P: Geo, wake up! You can't realize any absolute. Realization is realizing your own unreality. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > P: OK, let's make it easier for you. > Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could > ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? > > 1) What you know. > > 2) What you don't know. > > So, the world is divided into the known > and the unknown. > > Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. > No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, > you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you > call Absolute has to include everything, and you can > not know everything, the absolute you talk about must > be just a word in your brain. Only your brain > and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said > about the unknown, but that it is unknown. > > Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, > before you reply No. You know, not with anything at all. Because you are knowing, you determine there is something called a brain, and decide, based on evidence that you learn about, that if a brain is damaged, knowing is damaged. And if a brain dies,knowing dies. But all of these suppositions are based on your knowing. You can't remember a time when you weren't knowing. Funny thing about that. The unknown knowing. It's not " nothing. " And it's not " something. " - Dan - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > P: OK, let's make it easier for you. > > Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could > > ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? > > > > 1) What you know. > > > > 2) What you don't know. > > > > geo> And... > > > > 3) The unknowable. Te unknown may be known at one point. The unknowable will > > NEVER EVER be known by the brain. > > > > p: So, the world is divided into the known > > and the unknown. > > > > geo> And the unknowable. > > > > P: Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. > > No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, > > you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you > > call Absolute has to include everything, and you can > > not know everything, the absolute you talk about must > > be just a word in your brain. Only your brain > > and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said > > about the unknown, but that it is unknown. > > > > Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, > > before you reply > > > > geo>If you happen to come up with something very complex and difficult to > > grasp I might do that...but for this... > > P: Geo, anything above " Mary has a little lamb " is too > complicated for you because if it's written in English, > and you can't understand shit in English. > > >Geo: The absolute is unknowable by the human mind or brain...nonetheless it can > > be realized through a faculty that I don't know how to name or define. > > P: That is no different THAN ( not then) believing in > Santa. > > > > G: There is no need to sum up all the unknown items to get the mathematical > result as some absolute (I think this mathematical calculus is called to cumulate > > P: If it has not dawn on you yet realization is not math. > > > >Geo: You can not realize the absolute through logic - at one point that must be > > left behind. > > P: Geo, wake up! You can't realize any absolute. > Realization is realizing your own unreality. The only way to supposedly realize your unreality is to be the real. There is nothing unreal to realize anything about. This is understanding. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > P: OK, let's make it easier for you. > > Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could > > ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? > > > > 1) What you know. > > > > 2) What you don't know. > > > > So, the world is divided into the known > > and the unknown. > > > > Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. > > No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, > > you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you > > call Absolute has to include everything, and you can > > not know everything, the absolute you talk about must > > be just a word in your brain. Only your brain > > and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said > > about the unknown, but that it is unknown. > > > > Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, > > before you reply > > No. > > You know, not with anything at all. > > Because you are knowing, you determine there is something called a brain, and decide, based on evidence that you learn about, that if a brain is damaged, knowing is damaged. And if a brain dies,knowing dies. > > But all of these suppositions are based on your knowing. The above seems so obvious here, it's hard to see how anyone could conclude that an object of their knowledge (e.g. the brain) is prior to the ability to know about it. Doh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > P: OK, let's make it easier for you. > > Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could > > ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? > > > > 1) What you know. > > > > 2) What you don't know. > > > > So, the world is divided into the known > > and the unknown. > > > > Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. > > No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, > > you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you > > call Absolute has to include everything, and you can > > not know everything, the absolute you talk about must > > be just a word in your brain. Only your brain > > and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said > > about the unknown, but that it is unknown. > > > > Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, > > before you reply > > No. > > You know, not with anything at all. > > Because you are knowing, you determine there is something called a brain, and decide, based on evidence that you learn about, that if a brain is damaged, knowing is damaged. And if a brain dies,knowing dies. > > But all of these suppositions are based on your knowing. > > You can't remember a time when you weren't knowing. > > Funny thing about that. > > The unknown knowing. > > It's not " nothing. " > > And it's not " something. " > > > - Dan - and it's definitely not that nonsense. you're enthralled with what you believe is.. a negated negative. kid's stuff. bet you find spinning balls fascinating too? and and...3D pictures.. it's..it's there..but it's not..but it is.. ooooooooooh mysterious and significantly unfathomed.. in a pregnant and substantial unsubstantial way. oh wow! totally shivers man! a profound sigh of yes/no..yin/yang..yo/yo mama mia! breathtaking in a not sort of way. you know it by not knowing it when you're not there too. Yogi Berra couldn't have said it any better dan. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:59 PM > > Re: Making it easier for Geo > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > P: OK, let's make it easier for you. > > > > Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could > > > > ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? > > > > > > > > 1) What you know. > > > > > > > > 2) What you don't know. > > > > > > > > So, the world is divided into the known > > > > and the unknown. > > > > > > > > Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. > > > > No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, > > > > you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you > > > > call Absolute has to include everything, and you can > > > > not know everything, the absolute you talk about must > > > > be just a word in your brain. Only your brain > > > > and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said > > > > about the unknown, but that it is unknown. > > > > > > > > Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, > > > > before you reply > > > > > > No. > > > > > > You know, not with anything at all. > > > > > > Because you are knowing, you determine there is something called a brain, > > > and decide, based on evidence that you learn about, that if a brain is > > > damaged, knowing is damaged. And if a brain dies,knowing dies. > > > > > > But all of these suppositions are based on your knowing. > > > > The above seems so obvious here, it's hard to see how anyone could conclude > > that an object of their knowledge (e.g. the brain) is prior to the ability > > to know about it. > > > > Doh. > > > > geo> Of course. Or to suggest that the totality is a sensation in some part > > it (brain). > > > > Perception probably involves the brain... probably even awareness involves the brain. > > But it also involves the oxygen in the air -- no oxygen, no perception. > > And it involves the sun. No sunlight, no perception. > > And the oceans. And the plants. > > And the fact that the Earth is spinning. > > And a whole lot of other things. > > All of 'em, actually. but hey there all inside of the inside. and they are OnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnE! a " whole lot of 'other " things.. " All of 'em " .. even when it disagrees entirely with what was said before. it's on the inside anyway. sorta an inside job babalu! gawrsh gee! brrrrrilliant! brilliant as 2 watt bulb.. on the inside of the ONE. hey! i'm getting the hang of this bullshit! boy am i impressed with myself. golly i sure hope timmy and danny read this.. on the inside. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:45 PM Re: Making it easier for Geo Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > P: OK, let's make it easier for you. > > Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could > > ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? > > > > 1) What you know. > > > > 2) What you don't know. > > > > geo> And... > > > > 3) The unknowable. Te unknown may be known at one point. The unknowable > > will > > NEVER EVER be known by the brain. > > > > p: So, the world is divided into the known > > and the unknown. > > > > geo> And the unknowable. > > > > P: Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. > > No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, > > you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you > > call Absolute has to include everything, and you can > > not know everything, the absolute you talk about must > > be just a word in your brain. Only your brain > > and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said > > about the unknown, but that it is unknown. > > > > Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, > > before you reply > > > > geo>If you happen to come up with something very complex and difficult > > to > > grasp I might do that...but for this... > > P: Geo, anything above " Mary has a little lamb " is too > complicated for you because if it's written in English, > and you can't understand shit in English. > > >Geo: The absolute is unknowable by the human mind or brain...nonetheless > >it can > > be realized through a faculty that I don't know how to name or define. > > P: That is no different THAN ( not then) believing in > Santa. > > > > G: There is no need to sum up all the unknown items to get the > > mathematical > result as some absolute (I think this mathematical > > calculus is called to cumulate > > P: If it has not dawn on you yet realization is not math. > > > >Geo: You can not realize the absolute through logic - at one point that > >must be > > left behind. > > P: Geo, wake up! You can't realize any absolute. > Realization is realizing your own unreality. The only way to supposedly realize your unreality is to be the real. There is nothing unreal to realize anything about. This is understanding. - D - Obvious. Movement is a proof of the non-moving, false is a proof that the non-false is, the unreal is a proof of the existence of the real - what can attest that something is unreal? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:25 PM > Re: Making it easier for Geo > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:59 PM > > Re: Making it easier for Geo > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > P: OK, let's make it easier for you. > > > > Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could > > > > ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? > > > > > > > > 1) What you know. > > > > > > > > 2) What you don't know. > > > > > > > > So, the world is divided into the known > > > > and the unknown. > > > > > > > > Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. > > > > No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, > > > > you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you > > > > call Absolute has to include everything, and you can > > > > not know everything, the absolute you talk about must > > > > be just a word in your brain. Only your brain > > > > and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said > > > > about the unknown, but that it is unknown. > > > > > > > > Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, > > > > before you reply > > > > > > No. > > > > > > You know, not with anything at all. > > > > > > Because you are knowing, you determine there is something called a > > > brain, > > > and decide, based on evidence that you learn about, that if a brain is > > > damaged, knowing is damaged. And if a brain dies,knowing dies. > > > > > > But all of these suppositions are based on your knowing. > > > > The above seems so obvious here, it's hard to see how anyone could > > conclude > > that an object of their knowledge (e.g. the brain) is prior to the ability > > to know about it. > > > > Doh. > > > > geo> Of course. Or to suggest that the totality is a sensation in some > > part > > it (brain). > > > > Perception probably involves the brain... probably even awareness involves > the brain. > > But it also involves the oxygen in the air -- no oxygen, no perception. > > And it involves the sun. No sunlight, no perception. > > And the oceans. And the plants. > > And the fact that the Earth is spinning. > > And a whole lot of other things. > > All of 'em, actually. > -tim- > > All of them. The difficulty seems to be the fact that ALL perceptions and > ALL thoughts are a living testimony of the ground of being - not just some > particular. > Well...if it was easy...we would not be where we are. > -geo- where are we? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:59 PM Re: Making it easier for Geo Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > P: OK, let's make it easier for you. > > Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could > > ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? > > > > 1) What you know. > > > > 2) What you don't know. > > > > So, the world is divided into the known > > and the unknown. > > > > Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. > > No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, > > you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you > > call Absolute has to include everything, and you can > > not know everything, the absolute you talk about must > > be just a word in your brain. Only your brain > > and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said > > about the unknown, but that it is unknown. > > > > Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, > > before you reply > > No. > > You know, not with anything at all. > > Because you are knowing, you determine there is something called a brain, > and decide, based on evidence that you learn about, that if a brain is > damaged, knowing is damaged. And if a brain dies,knowing dies. > > But all of these suppositions are based on your knowing. The above seems so obvious here, it's hard to see how anyone could conclude that an object of their knowledge (e.g. the brain) is prior to the ability to know about it. Doh. geo> Of course. Or to suggest that the totality is a sensation in some part it (brain). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:25 PM Re: Making it easier for Geo Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:59 PM > Re: Making it easier for Geo > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > P: OK, let's make it easier for you. > > > Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could > > > ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? > > > > > > 1) What you know. > > > > > > 2) What you don't know. > > > > > > So, the world is divided into the known > > > and the unknown. > > > > > > Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. > > > No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, > > > you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you > > > call Absolute has to include everything, and you can > > > not know everything, the absolute you talk about must > > > be just a word in your brain. Only your brain > > > and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said > > > about the unknown, but that it is unknown. > > > > > > Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, > > > before you reply > > > > No. > > > > You know, not with anything at all. > > > > Because you are knowing, you determine there is something called a > > brain, > > and decide, based on evidence that you learn about, that if a brain is > > damaged, knowing is damaged. And if a brain dies,knowing dies. > > > > But all of these suppositions are based on your knowing. > > The above seems so obvious here, it's hard to see how anyone could > conclude > that an object of their knowledge (e.g. the brain) is prior to the ability > to know about it. > > Doh. > > geo> Of course. Or to suggest that the totality is a sensation in some > part > it (brain). > Perception probably involves the brain... probably even awareness involves the brain. But it also involves the oxygen in the air -- no oxygen, no perception. And it involves the sun. No sunlight, no perception. And the oceans. And the plants. And the fact that the Earth is spinning. And a whole lot of other things. All of 'em, actually. -tim- All of them. The difficulty seems to be the fact that ALL perceptions and ALL thoughts are a living testimony of the ground of being - not just some particular. Well...if it was easy...we would not be where we are. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > P: OK, let's make it easier for you. > > Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could > > ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? > > > > 1) What you know. > > > > 2) What you don't know. > > > > So, the world is divided into the known > > and the unknown. > > > > Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. > > No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, > > you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you > > call Absolute has to include everything, and you can > > not know everything, the absolute you talk about must > > be just a word in your brain. Only your brain > > and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said > > about the unknown, but that it is unknown. > > > > Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, > > before you reply > > No. > > You know, not with anything at all. > > Because you are knowing, you determine there is something called a brain, and decide, based on evidence that you learn about, that if a brain is damaged, knowing is damaged. And if a brain dies,knowing dies. > > But all of these suppositions are based on your knowing. > > You can't remember a time when you weren't knowing. > > Funny thing about that. > > The unknown knowing. > > It's not " nothing. " > > And it's not " something. " > > > - Dan - P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 > > > > P: Geo, wake up! You can't realize any absolute. > > Realization is realizing your own unreality. > > The only way to supposedly realize your unreality is to be the real. > > There is nothing unreal to realize anything about. > > This is understanding. > > - D - > > Obvious. Movement is a proof of the non-moving, false is a proof that the > non-false is, the unreal is a proof of the existence of the real - what can > attest that something is unreal? > -geo- P: Everything moves. Space itself expands, and everything is real, but Geo. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! D: " Someone with Alzheimer's " is something known, Pete. Not the unknown knowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! > > D: " Someone with Alzheimer's " is something known, Pete. > Not the unknown knowing. P: There is no unknown knowing as sure as there are no living fried pork chops in North Carolina. Stop playing with words. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! > > D: " Someone with Alzheimer's " is something known, Pete. > Not the unknown knowing. > Aww, leave 'im to his brain-obsession ;-). Advaita as pop-science. Someone's gotta write " nondual " sci-fi :-p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > > > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > > > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > > > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! > > > > D: " Someone with Alzheimer's " is something known, Pete. > > Not the unknown knowing. > > > > Aww, leave 'im to his brain-obsession ;-). Advaita as pop-science. Someone's gotta write " nondual " sci-fi :-p. > Ah, Gossiper-Tim tries to cement Dan's friendship on the back of Pete. You are already that old, Tim, and you are still not able to stand on your own feet. Always sticking your head together with someone else, especially with people you admire .. tz tz tz ... Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > P: OK, let's make it easier for you. > > > Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could > > > ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? > > > > > > 1) What you know. > > > > > > 2) What you don't know. > > > > > > So, the world is divided into the known > > > and the unknown. > > > > > > Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. > > > No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, > > > you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you > > > call Absolute has to include everything, and you can > > > not know everything, the absolute you talk about must > > > be just a word in your brain. Only your brain > > > and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said > > > about the unknown, but that it is unknown. > > > > > > Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, > > > before you reply > > > > No. > > > > You know, not with anything at all. > > > > Because you are knowing, you determine there is something called a brain, and decide, based on evidence that you learn about, that if a brain is damaged, knowing is damaged. And if a brain dies,knowing dies. > > > > But all of these suppositions are based on your knowing. > > > > You can't remember a time when you weren't knowing. > > > > Funny thing about that. > > > > The unknown knowing. > > > > It's not " nothing. " > > > > And it's not " something. " > > > > > > - Dan - > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! now you've got my taste buds going on overdrive! that sounds like a meat to remember. and it's a meat that keeps on giving too. geo assures us that memory is a meat too. he's going to send me a picture of some for sale there in Brazil. so..if the brains so smoked remember a taste of the brains eaten.. you get a two for one deal. the memory meat is a bonus at the point of sale. maybe that's a cure for world hunger. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 - BobN Nisargadatta Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:22 PM Re: Making it easier for Geo Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:25 PM > Re: Making it easier for Geo > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:59 PM > > Re: Making it easier for Geo > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > P: OK, let's make it easier for you. > > > > Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could > > > > ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? > > > > > > > > 1) What you know. > > > > > > > > 2) What you don't know. > > > > > > > > So, the world is divided into the known > > > > and the unknown. > > > > > > > > Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. > > > > No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, > > > > you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you > > > > call Absolute has to include everything, and you can > > > > not know everything, the absolute you talk about must > > > > be just a word in your brain. Only your brain > > > > and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said > > > > about the unknown, but that it is unknown. > > > > > > > > Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, > > > > before you reply > > > > > > No. > > > > > > You know, not with anything at all. > > > > > > Because you are knowing, you determine there is something called a > > > brain, > > > and decide, based on evidence that you learn about, that if a brain is > > > damaged, knowing is damaged. And if a brain dies,knowing dies. > > > > > > But all of these suppositions are based on your knowing. > > > > The above seems so obvious here, it's hard to see how anyone could > > conclude > > that an object of their knowledge (e.g. the brain) is prior to the > > ability > > to know about it. > > > > Doh. > > > > geo> Of course. Or to suggest that the totality is a sensation in some > > part > > it (brain). > > > > Perception probably involves the brain... probably even awareness involves > the brain. > > But it also involves the oxygen in the air -- no oxygen, no perception. > > And it involves the sun. No sunlight, no perception. > > And the oceans. And the plants. > > And the fact that the Earth is spinning. > > And a whole lot of other things. > > All of 'em, actually. > -tim- > > All of them. The difficulty seems to be the fact that ALL perceptions and > ALL thoughts are a living testimony of the ground of being - not just some > particular. > Well...if it was easy...we would not be where we are. > -geo- where are we? ..b b.b. Albuquerque Lins street, 634, Avalon - Crete. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Sunday, December 13, 2009 10:57 PM Re: Making it easier for Geo Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > P: OK, let's make it easier for you. > > Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could > > ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? > > > > 1) What you know. > > > > 2) What you don't know. > > > > So, the world is divided into the known > > and the unknown. > > > > Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. > > No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, > > you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you > > call Absolute has to include everything, and you can > > not know everything, the absolute you talk about must > > be just a word in your brain. Only your brain > > and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said > > about the unknown, but that it is unknown. > > > > Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, > > before you reply > > No. > > You know, not with anything at all. > > Because you are knowing, you determine there is something called a brain, > and decide, based on evidence that you learn about, that if a brain is > damaged, knowing is damaged. And if a brain dies,knowing dies. > > But all of these suppositions are based on your knowing. > > You can't remember a time when you weren't knowing. > > Funny thing about that. > > The unknown knowing. > > It's not " nothing. " > > And it's not " something. " > > > - Dan - P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! geo> Run pete...run... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:04 PM Re: Making it easier for Geo > > > > P: Geo, wake up! You can't realize any absolute. > > Realization is realizing your own unreality. > > The only way to supposedly realize your unreality is to be the real. > > There is nothing unreal to realize anything about. > > This is understanding. > > - D - > > Obvious. Movement is a proof of the non-moving, false is a proof that the > non-false is, the unreal is a proof of the existence of the real - what > can > attest that something is unreal? > -geo- P: Everything moves. Space itself expands, and everything is real, but Geo. geo> Of course space moves. It is not exception - it is one of the main components of consciousness/world. Or you think space is THE absolute? tsk...tsk...tsk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Monday, December 14, 2009 1:36 AM Re: Making it easier for Geo Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! > > D: " Someone with Alzheimer's " is something known, Pete. > Not the unknown knowing. P: There is no unknown knowing as sure as there are no living fried pork chops in North Carolina. Stop playing with words. geo> You really cant see it. If there is a knowing means there is the unknown. What /who else would know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 - wwoehr Nisargadatta Monday, December 14, 2009 2:50 AM Re: Making it easier for Geo Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > > > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > > > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > > > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! > > > > D: " Someone with Alzheimer's " is something known, Pete. > > Not the unknown knowing. > > > > Aww, leave 'im to his brain-obsession ;-). Advaita as pop-science. > Someone's gotta write " nondual " sci-fi :-p. > Ah, Gossiper-Tim tries to cement Dan's friendship on the back of Pete. You are already that old, Tim, and you are still not able to stand on your own feet. Always sticking your head together with someone else, especially with people you admire .. tz tz tz ... Werner You problem is that you have been badly hurt/humiliated.... and now you carry that around everywhere, alwys. We all have at some time, werner... forgive yourself darling. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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