Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:22 PM > Re: Making it easier for Geo > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:25 PM > > Re: Making it easier for Geo > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Tim G. > > > Nisargadatta > > > Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:59 PM > > > Re: Making it easier for Geo > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: OK, let's make it easier for you. > > > > > Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could > > > > > ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? > > > > > > > > > > 1) What you know. > > > > > > > > > > 2) What you don't know. > > > > > > > > > > So, the world is divided into the known > > > > > and the unknown. > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. > > > > > No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, > > > > > you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you > > > > > call Absolute has to include everything, and you can > > > > > not know everything, the absolute you talk about must > > > > > be just a word in your brain. Only your brain > > > > > and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said > > > > > about the unknown, but that it is unknown. > > > > > > > > > > Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, > > > > > before you reply > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > You know, not with anything at all. > > > > > > > > Because you are knowing, you determine there is something called a > > > > brain, > > > > and decide, based on evidence that you learn about, that if a brain is > > > > damaged, knowing is damaged. And if a brain dies,knowing dies. > > > > > > > > But all of these suppositions are based on your knowing. > > > > > > The above seems so obvious here, it's hard to see how anyone could > > > conclude > > > that an object of their knowledge (e.g. the brain) is prior to the > > > ability > > > to know about it. > > > > > > Doh. > > > > > > geo> Of course. Or to suggest that the totality is a sensation in some > > > part > > > it (brain). > > > > > > > Perception probably involves the brain... probably even awareness involves > > the brain. > > > > But it also involves the oxygen in the air -- no oxygen, no perception. > > > > And it involves the sun. No sunlight, no perception. > > > > And the oceans. And the plants. > > > > And the fact that the Earth is spinning. > > > > And a whole lot of other things. > > > > All of 'em, actually. > > -tim- > > > > All of them. The difficulty seems to be the fact that ALL perceptions and > > ALL thoughts are a living testimony of the ground of being - not just some > > particular. > > Well...if it was easy...we would not be where we are. > > -geo- > > where are we? > > .b b.b. > > Albuquerque Lins street, 634, Avalon - Crete. > -geo- that was easy. believing that it wasn't easy that anyone would know where we were... i'm now thinking..with this revelation here made so easy.. perhaps it wouldn't be too difficult to move? unless of course we didn't know where to go. but perhaps we shouldn't go there called where after all. nobody goes there anymore. it's where it's too crowded anymore forevermore. the ground of being there being all testified to and All. so..maybe not better there than there. but then too.. there was a Cretan who said all Cretans are liars. who knows? maybe we shouldn't judge where is better or worse.. or worse yet..maybe neither place is either one. either or neither there one thing certain... but it's not a thing at all. it's Popeye's dictum: " i am what's i am and that's ALL that's i am " . and we be All nothing more..nor less..then eyes that pop. now i've got to pop out of here. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 - BobN Nisargadatta Monday, December 14, 2009 5:21 AM Re: Making it easier for Geo Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > P: OK, let's make it easier for you. > > > Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could > > > ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? > > > > > > 1) What you know. > > > > > > 2) What you don't know. > > > > > > So, the world is divided into the known > > > and the unknown. > > > > > > Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. > > > No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, > > > you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you > > > call Absolute has to include everything, and you can > > > not know everything, the absolute you talk about must > > > be just a word in your brain. Only your brain > > > and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said > > > about the unknown, but that it is unknown. > > > > > > Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, > > > before you reply > > > > No. > > > > You know, not with anything at all. > > > > Because you are knowing, you determine there is something called a > > brain, and decide, based on evidence that you learn about, that if a > > brain is damaged, knowing is damaged. And if a brain dies,knowing dies. > > > > But all of these suppositions are based on your knowing. > > > > You can't remember a time when you weren't knowing. > > > > Funny thing about that. > > > > The unknown knowing. > > > > It's not " nothing. " > > > > And it's not " something. " > > > > > > - Dan - > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! now you've got my taste buds going on overdrive! that sounds like a meat to remember. and it's a meat that keeps on giving too. geo assures us that memory is a meat too. he's going to send me a picture of some for sale there in Brazil. so..if the brains so smoked remember a taste of the brains eaten.. you get a two for one deal. the memory meat is a bonus at the point of sale. maybe that's a cure for world hunger. ..b b.b. Eating memory beefs is good - you would not forget what you write just a few lines above. Like " uhhh...uiii...what in the name of god is that supposed to mean? " and then just two lines later.. " STOP ACCUSING ME OF BEING A JUNKY... " lol lol -bbb- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Monday, December 14, 2009 2:50 AM > Re: Making it easier for Geo > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > > > > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > > > > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > > > > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! > > > > > > D: " Someone with Alzheimer's " is something known, Pete. > > > Not the unknown knowing. > > > > > > > Aww, leave 'im to his brain-obsession ;-). Advaita as pop-science. > > Someone's gotta write " nondual " sci-fi :-p. > > > > Ah, Gossiper-Tim tries to cement Dan's friendship on the back of Pete. > > You are already that old, Tim, and you are still not able to stand on your > own feet. Always sticking your head together with someone else, especially > with people you admire .. tz tz tz ... > > Werner > > You problem is that you have been badly hurt/humiliated.... and now you > carry that around everywhere, alwys. We all have at some time, werner... > forgive yourself darling. > -geo- hurt..humiliated??? who's been being so kind to werner? he doesn't have enough to require forgiveness or blame for anything. but if he wants to play with himself he can of course. it's like they say: nothing ever changes. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Monday, December 14, 2009 5:21 AM > Re: Making it easier for Geo > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > P: OK, let's make it easier for you. > > > > Do you agree that EVERYTHING that could > > > > ever exist for you can be divided in two groups? > > > > > > > > 1) What you know. > > > > > > > > 2) What you don't know. > > > > > > > > So, the world is divided into the known > > > > and the unknown. > > > > > > > > Whatever you know, you can only know it with your brain. > > > > No matter how smart you may be, and how long you live, > > > > you wouldn't, ever, know EvERYTHING. Since what you > > > > call Absolute has to include everything, and you can > > > > not know everything, the absolute you talk about must > > > > be just a word in your brain. Only your brain > > > > and the unknown exist, and not a think can be said > > > > about the unknown, but that it is unknown. > > > > > > > > Now read this several times, translate into Portuguese, > > > > before you reply > > > > > > No. > > > > > > You know, not with anything at all. > > > > > > Because you are knowing, you determine there is something called a > > > brain, and decide, based on evidence that you learn about, that if a > > > brain is damaged, knowing is damaged. And if a brain dies,knowing dies. > > > > > > But all of these suppositions are based on your knowing. > > > > > > You can't remember a time when you weren't knowing. > > > > > > Funny thing about that. > > > > > > The unknown knowing. > > > > > > It's not " nothing. " > > > > > > And it's not " something. " > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! > > now you've got my taste buds going on overdrive! > > that sounds like a meat to remember. > > and it's a meat that keeps on giving too. > > geo assures us that memory is a meat too. > > he's going to send me a picture of some for sale there in Brazil. > > so..if the brains so smoked remember a taste of the brains eaten.. > > you get a two for one deal. > > the memory meat is a bonus at the point of sale. > > maybe that's a cure for world hunger. > > .b b.b. > > Eating memory beefs is good - you would not forget what you write just a few > lines above. Like " uhhh...uiii...what in the name of god is that supposed to > mean? " and then just two lines later.. " STOP ACCUSING ME OF BEING A JUNKY... " > lol lol > -bbb- whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat???? you're beginning to sound like werner. if those are the memories that are for sale in Brazil.. hold off on sending me any pictures. we already have a meat available up here... that seems to resemble your " memory meat " .. though it's not called Junky(?).. we call it " Jerky " . you know what i'm sayin'? it's from the song: " no thanks for the memories " it's salty and dried up and generally speaking worthless.. it's only good for one thing.. it makes you fart. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 > > P: There is no unknown knowing as sure as there are no > living fried pork chops in North Carolina. Stop playing > with words. > > geo> You really cant see it. If there is a knowing means there is the > unknown. What /who else would know? > P: Haha! You really can't read! I said that the unknown doesn't know, not that knowing negates unknowing. LOOK! you think knowing is very important, but it's not. It comes and goes. It doesn't last. Awareness is not important or lasting either. So what is immutable, everlasting? I give you a clue, Is not a word, and it can't be known, and there is no way to answer my question and be right. So, now, guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 ..) > >G: So answer: what is the only doer? P: Don't you know anything? There is no doer, no entity below, or above. Appearance appear by itself, of itself by itself. > > > > LOOK! you think knowing > is very important, but it's not. It comes > and goes. It doesn't last. Awareness is not > important or lasting either. So what is immutable, > everlasting? I give you a clue, Is not a word, > and it can't be known, and there is no way to > answer my question and be right. So, now, guess. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Monday, December 14, 2009 1:53 PM Re: Making it easier for Geo > > P: There is no unknown knowing as sure as there are no > living fried pork chops in North Carolina. Stop playing > with words. > > geo> You really cant see it. If there is a knowing means there is the > unknown. What /who else would know? > P: Haha! You really can't read! I said that the unknown doesn't know, not that knowing negates unknowing. geo> I read well, I understood - and you are still missing it. Think/meditate/contemplate the following: I say that know-ing, walk-ing, think-ing, piss-ing, be-ing, feel-ing...any and all INGs are actions of the absolute/unknowable. How could it be any other way?? Is there something else that can do?...that ever did?...that will do? (if one wants to consider time at all...) So answer: what is the only doer? LOOK! you think knowing is very important, but it's not. It comes and goes. It doesn't last. Awareness is not important or lasting either. So what is immutable, everlasting? I give you a clue, Is not a word, and it can't be known, and there is no way to answer my question and be right. So, now, guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > > > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > > > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > > > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! > > > > D: " Someone with Alzheimer's " is something known, Pete. > > Not the unknown knowing. > > P: There is no unknown knowing as sure as there are no > living fried pork chops in North Carolina. Stop playing > with words. It's not word-play, Pete. It's the fact that everything you know is what it is to you in the act of knowing. It is the unknown knowing simply because there isn't any known thing doing the knowing. Any known thing is an object of the knowing. - Dan - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > > > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > > > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > > > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! > > > > D: " Someone with Alzheimer's " is something known, Pete. > > Not the unknown knowing. > > > > Aww, leave 'im to his brain-obsession ;-). Advaita as pop-science. Someone's gotta write " nondual " sci-fi :-p. D: Maybe the nondual truth is in a crystal that a cat is wearing around its neck, like in Men in Black. That seems more fun, somehow, if we're looking for fun things that can store totality in them. Of course, that was only a galaxy, in Men in Black. We're talking about something much bigger and much littler than that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Monday, December 14, 2009 1:36 AM > Re: Making it easier for Geo > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > > > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > > > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > > > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! > > > > D: " Someone with Alzheimer's " is something known, Pete. > > Not the unknown knowing. > > P: There is no unknown knowing as sure as there are no > living fried pork chops in North Carolina. Stop playing > with words. > > geo> You really cant see it. If there is a knowing means there is the > unknown. What /who else would know? Geo - Yes, right on. It is real by being it. Being the unknown knowing. Otherwise, it is speculation, just some kind of weird idea. Which is imagined as something believed by a mind. Therefore, another mind can disagree with it and toss it out, as an idea that is silly and which isn't believed. But the unknown knowing is not a mind, is not picking and choosing beliefs. Because there is no belief involved, it is as it is. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > cerosoul > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, December 14, 2009 1:36 AM > > Re: Making it easier for Geo > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > > > > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > > > > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > > > > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! > > > > > > D: " Someone with Alzheimer's " is something known, Pete. > > > Not the unknown knowing. > > > > P: There is no unknown knowing as sure as there are no > > living fried pork chops in North Carolina. Stop playing > > with words. > > > > geo> You really cant see it. If there is a knowing means there is the > > unknown. What /who else would know? > > Geo - > > Yes, right on. > > It is real by being it. > > Being the unknown knowing. > > Otherwise, it is speculation, just some kind of weird idea. > > Which is imagined as something believed by a mind. > > Therefore, another mind can disagree with it and toss it out, as an idea that is silly and which isn't believed. > > But the unknown knowing is not a mind, is not picking and choosing beliefs. > > Because there is no belief involved, it is as it is. > > - D - yes and you are what you are. end of story. no need to get definitive here. that would be rude.. and besides i'd just be repeating myself.. if i where to make a comparison between you and a nitwit. there's no belief involved in that truth either. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > > > > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > > > > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > > > > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! > > > > > > D: " Someone with Alzheimer's " is something known, Pete. > > > Not the unknown knowing. > > > > P: There is no unknown knowing as sure as there are no > > living fried pork chops in North Carolina. Stop playing > > with words. > > It's not word-play, Pete. > > It's the fact that everything you know is what it is to you in the act of knowing. > > It is the unknown knowing simply because there isn't any known thing doing the knowing. > > Any known thing is an object of the knowing. > > - Dan - P: Let's once, and for all know, there is no knower whatsoever, anywhere. The unknown is not a knower, or a doer, or an ultimate entity where any buck stops. The buck* never stops anywhere. It keeps going, and going, and going at infinitum. The brain is the machine of awareness, knowing, and doing, but it contains no observer, knower, or doer. There is no ultimate wall on which the universe is painted. Everything is an appearance in endless vacuity. Appearances happen for no reason at all, there is no why, no planner, controller or even an observer of this cosmic show. The show observes itself, and appears of itself, by itself, and for itself. Sit back, grab the popcorn, and enjoy! * For non-Americans, President Truman once said, " The buck stops here " to indicate the ultimate responsibility for any decision ended at his desk. Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:56 PM Re: Making it easier for Geo Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > > > > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > > > > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > > > > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! > > > > > > D: " Someone with Alzheimer's " is something known, Pete. > > > Not the unknown knowing. > > > > P: There is no unknown knowing as sure as there are no > > living fried pork chops in North Carolina. Stop playing > > with words. > > It's not word-play, Pete. > > It's the fact that everything you know is what it is to you in the act of > knowing. > > It is the unknown knowing simply because there isn't any known thing doing > the knowing. > > Any known thing is an object of the knowing. > > - Dan - P: Let's once, and for all know, there is no knower whatsoever, anywhere. The unknown is not a knower, or a doer, or an ultimate entity where any buck stops. The buck* never stops anywhere. It keeps going, and going, and going at infinitum. The brain is the machine of awareness, knowing, and doing, but it contains no observer, knower, or doer. There is no ultimate wall on which the universe is painted. Everything is an appearance in endless vacuity. Appearances happen for no reason at all, there is no why, no planner, controller or even an observer of this cosmic show. The show observes itself, and appears of itself, by itself, and for itself. Sit back, grab the popcorn, and enjoy! * For non-Americans, President Truman once said, " The buck stops here " to indicate the ultimate responsibility for any decision ended at his desk. Pete " Everything is an appearance in endless vacuity " . You give yourself away...or you could have said " everything is an appearance " - period. But you " know " that the show is " somewhere that is not a place or time or thing or entity of any type " . You tremble at the possibility that that vacuity is your real nature. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > > > > > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > > > > > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > > > > > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! > > > > > > > > D: " Someone with Alzheimer's " is something known, Pete. > > > > Not the unknown knowing. > > > > > > P: There is no unknown knowing as sure as there are no > > > living fried pork chops in North Carolina. Stop playing > > > with words. > > > > It's not word-play, Pete. > > > > It's the fact that everything you know is what it is to you in the act of knowing. > > > > It is the unknown knowing simply because there isn't any known thing doing the knowing. > > > > Any known thing is an object of the knowing. > > > > - Dan - > > P: Let's once, and for all know, there is no knower > whatsoever, anywhere. The unknown is not a knower, > or a doer, or an ultimate entity where any buck > stops. The buck* never stops anywhere. It keeps > going, and going, and going at infinitum. D: Clearly, I'm not saying that the unknown is some kind of knower. Anything classified as a knower, is something known. There is no knower other than the known. Unknown knowing is knowing, without any sense of any thing being known or being the knower. There have been many attempts to describe it throughout the centuries, but they all necessarily fall short. Simply because, any description is something known. And yet, people who experience this knowing, or realize that this knowing constitutes their entire field of experience and memory, tend to feel compelled to express it in some way. It's entirely understandable that they attempt to express what can't be stated. Because this knowing is revolutionary in the sense that the culturally and historically supported version of knowing is overturned. Time is timeless through this knowing. No wonder " liberation, freedom, love, boundless peace " have been used as (inadequate) descriptors. > > The brain is the machine of awareness, knowing, and > doing, but it contains no observer, knower, or doer. > There is no ultimate wall on which the universe is > painted. Everything is an appearance in endless vacuity. > > Appearances happen for no reason at all, there is no > why, no planner, controller or even an observer of this > cosmic show. The show observes itself, and appears of > itself, by itself, and for itself. > > Sit back, grab the popcorn, and enjoy! As the corporal said to the private: " Be as you are. " > * For non-Americans, President Truman once said, " The > buck stops here " to indicate the ultimate responsibility > for any decision ended at his desk. Responsibility isn't passed on ad infinitum, like an imaginary hot potato. The buck stops, at the same nonlocation from which it never left. It's just impossible to say where this is. Gautama said, " nirvana. " Jesus said, " heaven. " Someone else said, " samsara is nirvana. " Someone else said, " thy kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. " - Dan - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 And yet, people who experience this knowing, or realize that this knowing constitutes their entire field of experience and memory, tend to feel compelled to express it in some way. It's entirely understandable that they attempt to express what can't be stated. Because this knowing is revolutionary in the sense that the culturally and historically supported version of knowing is overturned. Time is timeless through this knowing. No wonder "liberation, freedom, love, boundless peace" have been used as (inadequate) descriptors.-d- I was going to say something like that.... sometimes seems simple and easy to see this...but then I realize that it may not be so. I think a different kind of logic, a different kind of rationality, a different seeing...is needed that is indeed revolutionary for the usual accustomed conditioned point of view. So ...maybe, actually may seem that it is not sooo easy. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > > > > > > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > > > > > > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > > > > > > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! > > > > > > > > > > D: " Someone with Alzheimer's " is something known, Pete. > > > > > Not the unknown knowing. > > > > > > > > P: There is no unknown knowing as sure as there are no > > > > living fried pork chops in North Carolina. Stop playing > > > > with words. > > > > > > It's not word-play, Pete. > > > > > > It's the fact that everything you know is what it is to you in the act of knowing. > > > > > > It is the unknown knowing simply because there isn't any known thing doing the knowing. > > > > > > Any known thing is an object of the knowing. > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > P: Let's once, and for all know, there is no knower > > whatsoever, anywhere. The unknown is not a knower, > > or a doer, or an ultimate entity where any buck > > stops. The buck* never stops anywhere. It keeps > > going, and going, and going at infinitum. > > D: Clearly, I'm not saying that the unknown is some kind of knower. Anything classified as a knower, is something known. There is no knower other than the known. > > Unknown knowing is knowing, without any sense of any thing being > known or being the knower. Similarly, the seer is the seen, the hearer is the heard, etc. It's simply " nonseparation " or " nondivision " , an absence of partitioning of awareness into " inner/me " and " outer/it " . > There have been many attempts to describe it throughout the > centuries, but they all necessarily fall short. > > Simply because, any description is something known. Not to mention, all such attempts are taken to have been uttered by a separate knower. Or... to mention, actually, not " not to mention " ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > And yet, people who experience this knowing, or realize that this knowing constitutes their entire field of experience and memory, tend to feel compelled to express it in some way. It's entirely understandable that they attempt to express what can't be stated. Because this knowing is revolutionary in the sense that the culturally and historically supported version of knowing is overturned. Time is timeless through this knowing. No wonder " liberation, freedom, love, boundless peace " have been used as (inadequate) descriptors. > -d- > > I was going to say something like that.... sometimes seems simple and easy to see this...but then I realize that it may not be so. I think a different kind of logic, a different kind of rationality, a different seeing...is needed that is indeed revolutionary for the usual accustomed conditioned point of view. So ....maybe, actually may seem that it is not sooo easy. > -geo- both of those relatively mundane low levels of imitative cognition.. are not only easily defined but rather boring. obsequious comparisons regarding either.. one to the other are indicative of.. a complete misunderstanding. neither simple nor difficult IS the Way. it's not just before your eyes.. it's before eyes come to be. you are like children playing tag. hoping to someday be " it " . " revolutionary " !??? OMG! hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa! such cute kids! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: What does one with advanced allhammer, or is it > > > > > > > alzheimer knows bright eyes? If we know with anything > > > > > > > at all, the nursing homes would be empty, pal. Go check > > > > > > > your smoked cured brain. Uhhm! Smoked cured brain! Yum! > > > > > > > > > > > > D: " Someone with Alzheimer's " is something known, Pete. > > > > > > Not the unknown knowing. > > > > > > > > > > P: There is no unknown knowing as sure as there are no > > > > > living fried pork chops in North Carolina. Stop playing > > > > > with words. > > > > > > > > It's not word-play, Pete. > > > > > > > > It's the fact that everything you know is what it is to you in the act of knowing. > > > > > > > > It is the unknown knowing simply because there isn't any known thing doing the knowing. > > > > > > > > Any known thing is an object of the knowing. > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > P: Let's once, and for all know, there is no knower > > > whatsoever, anywhere. The unknown is not a knower, > > > or a doer, or an ultimate entity where any buck > > > stops. The buck* never stops anywhere. It keeps > > > going, and going, and going at infinitum. > > > > D: Clearly, I'm not saying that the unknown is some kind of knower. Anything classified as a knower, is something known. There is no knower other than the known. > > > > Unknown knowing is knowing, without any sense of any thing being > > known or being the knower. > > Similarly, the seer is the seen, the hearer is the heard, etc. It's simply " nonseparation " or " nondivision " , an absence of partitioning of awareness into " inner/me " and " outer/it " . > > > There have been many attempts to describe it throughout the > > centuries, but they all necessarily fall short. > > > > Simply because, any description is something known. > > Not to mention, all such attempts are taken to have been uttered by a separate knower. > > Or... to mention, actually, not " not to mention " ;-). ooooooooooooh! deeeeeeeeeeep! LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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