Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta: In reality, only the Ultimate is. The rest is a matter of name and form. And as long as you cling to the idea that only what has name and shape exists, the Supreme will appear to you nonexisting. When you understand that names and shapes are hollow shells without any content whatsoever, and what is real is nameless and formless, pure energy of life and light of consciousness, you will be at peace -- immersed in the deep silence of reality. -- From " I Am That " Yes! what else!?! .... but some champions in here are only making prove of a restless " silence of reality " .....and are appearently active into the anti-peace movement..... .... like this toomits too .... giving them the right to leave this their words of non-sense... .... all around... all around... .... without knowing about... .... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta: In reality, only the Ultimate is. The rest is a matter of name and form. And as long as you cling to the idea that only what has name and shape exists, the Supreme will appear to you nonexisting. When you understand that names and shapes are hollow shells without any content whatsoever, and what is real is nameless and formless, pure energy of life and light of consciousness, you will be at peace -- immersed in the deep silence of reality. > > -- From " I Am That " > Thanks, I knew this already. It is an excerpt from the book 'Nisargadatta in Disneyland " . Werner > > > Yes! > > what else!?! > > ... > > but some champions in here are only making prove of a restless " silence of reality " .....and are appearently active into the anti-peace movement..... > > ... > > like this toomits too > > ... > > giving them the right to leave this their words of non-sense... > > ... > > all around... > > all around... > > ... > > without knowing about... > > ... > > > > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > >(N.) >In reality, only the Ultimate is. (.b b.b.) sounds right. >(N.) >The rest is a matter of name and form. (.b b.b.) the " rest " ???????????? if only the Ultimate is.. waht the hell " rest " are we talkin' 'bout here? and what kind of " matter " is it " a matter of " >(N.) >And as long as you cling to the idea that only what has name and shape exists, the Supreme will appear to you nonexisting. (.b b.b.) so let's be clear on this.. there's the Supreme Ultimate..all " Alone-some " it is too.. but then there is (even if we don't count it..or count on it): a " you " which may or may not " cling " .. " cling " to an " idea " .. which in some funny way is separate from this " you " .. (but hey who's counting right?).. well anyway this " you " " clings " to an " idea " that entails: " name " AND " form " (TWO....count'em.. " TWO " ..DIFFERENT " aspects " ).. but then these are ONLY aspects of of a " what " which possesses them.. i.e.... " what has name and form " .. ...words straight from the Big Guy's mouth here.. and that name and form stuff's not real anyway. well anyhow..if this should be the Actual Case.. ....case for " you " .. that only those " what " s with " name " and " form " .. appearing in separation.. only if they " exist " for the non-existing " you " .. then the REAL " existing " SUPREME will appear to be.. (to the nonexistent " you " ).. non-existing just as the " you " (with many parts) is also unreal. kinda like: " That Art Thou " ... " I Am That " ...and other trifle. so it doesn't really matter much now does it. what's being said is what's real is real and what's not is not.. and both the Real and the non-real do..and don't.. realize that. oh wow! this is a real stunner! pass the bedes AND the collection plate! smoke gets in yer eye and ya just want to cry hey hey! this stuff is really on the ball! and some there are and some will come to be.. who will repeat this crap as if it was " Worthy " . LOL! only " as long as " that is.. " as long as " that is Timeless..oh yeah! >(N.) > When you understand that names and shapes are hollow shells without any content whatsoever, and what is real is nameless and formless, pure energy of life and light of consciousness, you will be at peace -- immersed in the deep silence of reality. (.b b.b.) when " you " come to " understand " .. anything even remotely like that whiz bang stuff.. you'll be at peace alright. heavenly hash delivers the same Empty punch i'm told. evidently N. couldn't find it though. from all this quoted stuff of his.. neither he was ever nor his latter day acolytes are ever.. immersed in " deep silence " .. silence neither of 'reality " .. nor silence of that other thing that they say really isn't an is. like the Energizer Bunny they never shut up. >(N.) > -- From " I Am That " (.b b.b.) i'm not. and i'm damn glad of that too. that THAT is not the Real THAT. any That which can be named is not the Real That. that's that. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta: In reality, only the Ultimate is. The rest is a matter of name and form. And as long as you cling to the idea that only what has name and shape exists, the Supreme will appear to you nonexisting. When you understand that names and shapes are hollow shells without any content whatsoever, and what is real is nameless and formless, pure energy of life and light of consciousness, you will be at peace -- immersed in the deep silence of reality. > > > > -- From " I Am That " > > > > > Thanks, > > I knew this already. It is an excerpt from the book 'Nisargadatta in Disneyland " . > > Werner thanks for the tip Goofy. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 > > Nisargadatta: In reality, only the Ultimate is. The rest is a matter of name and form. And as long as you cling to the idea that only what has name and shape exists, the Supreme will appear to you nonexisting. When you understand that names and shapes are hollow shells without any content whatsoever, and what is real is nameless and formless, pure energy of life and light of consciousness, you will be at peace -- immersed in the deep silence of reality. > > > > -- From " I Am That " > > > > > Thanks, > > I knew this already. It is an excerpt from the book 'Nisargadatta in Disneyland " . > > Werner thanks for the tip Goofy. LOL! ..b b.b. Goofy?....the banana one...or more the potatoe one?... lol Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta: In reality, only the Ultimate is. The rest is a matter of name and form. And as long as you cling to the idea that only what has name and shape exists, the Supreme will appear to you nonexisting. When you understand that names and shapes are hollow shells without any content whatsoever, and what is real is nameless and formless, pure energy of life and light of consciousness, you will be at peace -- immersed in the deep silence of reality. > > > > > > -- From " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > I knew this already. It is an excerpt from the book 'Nisargadatta in Disneyland " . > > > > Werner > > thanks for the tip Goofy. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > > > > > Goofy?....the banana one...or more the potatoe one?... > > lol > > Marc he's Mickey Mouse's dog friend.. Mickey might know. i'm leaning towards potato.. (the ears..nose..mouth..and eyes) although this particular Goofy seems sort of yellow and frightened. have we been over this before? :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta: In reality, only the Ultimate is. The rest is a matter of name and form. And as long as you cling to the idea that only what has name and shape exists, the Supreme will appear to you nonexisting. When you understand that names and shapes are hollow shells without any content whatsoever, and what is real is nameless and formless, pure energy of life and light of consciousness, you will be at peace -- immersed in the deep silence of reality. > > -- From " I Am That " > > > > Yes! > > what else!?! Quite. The relative/conventional IS the real/ultimate. What else? I guess one must be interested in death and not caring a bit about it, there can not be the slightest fear of death before it can be understood/seen that what never was born cannot die and that that's that! There! Not before and not later, only there! the time- less moment of real-ization, is presence! is name-less and there! for a breath-less moment - the name-less is all there is - the name, the shape, the form - is gone. -Lene > > ... > > but some champions in here are only making prove of a restless " silence of reality " .....and are appearently active into the anti-peace movement..... > > ... > > like this toomits too > > ... > > giving them the right to leave this their words of non-sense... > > ... > > all around... > > all around... > > ... > > without knowing about... > > ... > > > > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nice quote. I am a form that exists in a location, and can be identified and talked about. To question that apparent fact is to question everything that has been taken as real. And that question is itself " what is. " So, the question dissolves into being the resolution. - Dan - Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta: In reality, only the Ultimate is. The rest is a matter of name and form. And as long as you cling to the idea that only what has name and shape exists, the Supreme will appear to you nonexisting. When you understand that names and shapes are hollow shells without any content whatsoever, and what is real is nameless and formless, pure energy of life and light of consciousness, you will be at peace -- immersed in the deep silence of reality. > > -- From " I Am That " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > >(N.) > > >In reality, only the Ultimate is. > > > > (.b b.b.) > > sounds right. > > > > >(N.) > > >The rest is a matter of name and form. > > > > (.b b.b.) > > the " rest " ???????????? > > if only the Ultimate is.. > > waht the hell " rest " are we talkin' 'bout here? > > and what kind of " matter " is it " a matter of " > > > >(N.) > > >And as long as you cling to the idea that only what has name and shape exists, the Supreme will appear to you nonexisting. > > > (.b b.b.) > > so let's be clear on this.. > > there's the Supreme Ultimate..all " Alone-some " it is too.. > > but then there is (even if we don't count it..or count on it): > > a " you " which may or may not " cling " .. > > " cling " to an " idea " .. > > which in some funny way is separate from this " you " .. > > (but hey who's counting right?).. > > well anyway this " you " " clings " to an " idea " that entails: > > " name " AND " form " (TWO....count'em.. " TWO " ..DIFFERENT " aspects " ).. > > but then these are ONLY aspects of of a " what " which possesses them.. > > i.e.... " what has name and form " .. > > ..words straight from the Big Guy's mouth here.. > > and that name and form stuff's not real anyway. > > well anyhow..if this should be the Actual Case.. > > ...case for " you " .. > > that only those " what " s with " name " and " form " .. > > appearing in separation.. > > only if they " exist " for the non-existing " you " .. > > then the REAL " existing " SUPREME will appear to be.. > > (to the nonexistent " you " ).. > > non-existing just as the " you " (with many parts) is also unreal. > > kinda like: " That Art Thou " ... " I Am That " ...and other trifle. > > so it doesn't really matter much now does it. > > what's being said is what's real is real and what's not is not.. > > and both the Real and the non-real do..and don't.. realize that. > > oh wow! > > this is a real stunner! > > pass the bedes AND the collection plate! > > smoke gets in yer eye and ya just want to cry hey hey! > > this stuff is really on the ball! > > and some there are and some will come to be.. > > who will repeat this crap as if it was " Worthy " . > > LOL! > > only " as long as " that is.. > > " as long as " that is Timeless..oh yeah! > > > > > > >(N.) > > > When you understand that names and shapes are hollow shells without any content whatsoever, and what is real is nameless and formless, pure energy of life and light of consciousness, you will be at peace -- immersed in the deep silence of reality. > > > > > (.b b.b.) > > when " you " come to " understand " .. > > anything even remotely like that whiz bang stuff.. > > you'll be at peace alright. > > heavenly hash delivers the same Empty punch i'm told. > > evidently N. couldn't find it though. > > from all this quoted stuff of his.. > > neither he was ever nor his latter day acolytes are ever.. > > immersed in " deep silence " .. > > silence neither of 'reality " .. > > nor silence of that other thing that they say really isn't an is. > > like the Energizer Bunny they never shut up. > > > > >(N.) > > > -- From " I Am That " > > > (.b b.b.) > > i'm not. > > and i'm damn glad of that too. > > that THAT is not the Real THAT. > > any That which can be named is not the Real That. > > that's that. > > .b b.b. The real that, is this. It's not diminished when named, nor added to by being silent. Nor is it added to when named, or diminished when being silent. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta: In reality, only the Ultimate is. The rest is a matter of name and form. And as long as you cling to the idea that only what has name and shape exists, the Supreme will appear to you nonexisting. When you understand that names and shapes are hollow shells without any content whatsoever, and what is real is nameless and formless, pure energy of life and light of consciousness, you will be at peace -- immersed in the deep silence of reality. > > > > -- From " I Am That " > > > > > > > > Yes! > > > > what else!?! > > > > Quite. > > The relative/conventional IS the real/ultimate. > > What else? > > I guess one must be interested in death and not caring > a bit about it, there can not be the slightest fear of > death before it can be understood/seen that what never > was born cannot die and that that's that! > > There! Not before and not later, only there! the time- > less moment of real-ization, is presence! is name-less > and there! for a breath-less moment - the name-less is > all there is - the name, the shape, the form - is gone. > > -Lene Yes, the nameless is-ness is presence without death. And is understood as not other than who one is at the instant that fears of death, loss, pain, limitation, and illness dissolve. Fear keeps the object of the fear around. Yet, this understanding doesn't mean that there isn't death, loss, pain, limitation and illness involved in human life. These states, and their opposites, are what make human life experiential. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > >(N.) > > > > >In reality, only the Ultimate is. > > > > > > > > (.b b.b.) > > > > sounds right. > > > > > > > > >(N.) > > > > >The rest is a matter of name and form. > > > > > > > > (.b b.b.) > > > > the " rest " ???????????? > > > > if only the Ultimate is.. > > > > waht the hell " rest " are we talkin' 'bout here? > > > > and what kind of " matter " is it " a matter of " > > > > > > >(N.) > > > > >And as long as you cling to the idea that only what has name and shape exists, the Supreme will appear to you nonexisting. > > > > > > (.b b.b.) > > > > so let's be clear on this.. > > > > there's the Supreme Ultimate..all " Alone-some " it is too.. > > > > but then there is (even if we don't count it..or count on it): > > > > a " you " which may or may not " cling " .. > > > > " cling " to an " idea " .. > > > > which in some funny way is separate from this " you " .. > > > > (but hey who's counting right?).. > > > > well anyway this " you " " clings " to an " idea " that entails: > > > > " name " AND " form " (TWO....count'em.. " TWO " ..DIFFERENT " aspects " ).. > > > > but then these are ONLY aspects of of a " what " which possesses them.. > > > > i.e.... " what has name and form " .. > > > > ..words straight from the Big Guy's mouth here.. > > > > and that name and form stuff's not real anyway. > > > > well anyhow..if this should be the Actual Case.. > > > > ...case for " you " .. > > > > that only those " what " s with " name " and " form " .. > > > > appearing in separation.. > > > > only if they " exist " for the non-existing " you " .. > > > > then the REAL " existing " SUPREME will appear to be.. > > > > (to the nonexistent " you " ).. > > > > non-existing just as the " you " (with many parts) is also unreal. > > > > kinda like: " That Art Thou " ... " I Am That " ...and other trifle. > > > > so it doesn't really matter much now does it. > > > > what's being said is what's real is real and what's not is not.. > > > > and both the Real and the non-real do..and don't.. realize that. > > > > oh wow! > > > > this is a real stunner! > > > > pass the bedes AND the collection plate! > > > > smoke gets in yer eye and ya just want to cry hey hey! > > > > this stuff is really on the ball! > > > > and some there are and some will come to be.. > > > > who will repeat this crap as if it was " Worthy " . > > > > LOL! > > > > only " as long as " that is.. > > > > " as long as " that is Timeless..oh yeah! > > > > > > > > > > > > >(N.) > > > > > When you understand that names and shapes are hollow shells without any content whatsoever, and what is real is nameless and formless, pure energy of life and light of consciousness, you will be at peace -- immersed in the deep silence of reality. > > > > > > > > > > (.b b.b.) > > > > when " you " come to " understand " .. > > > > anything even remotely like that whiz bang stuff.. > > > > you'll be at peace alright. > > > > heavenly hash delivers the same Empty punch i'm told. > > > > evidently N. couldn't find it though. > > > > from all this quoted stuff of his.. > > > > neither he was ever nor his latter day acolytes are ever.. > > > > immersed in " deep silence " .. > > > > silence neither of 'reality " .. > > > > nor silence of that other thing that they say really isn't an is. > > > > like the Energizer Bunny they never shut up. > > > > > > > > >(N.) > > > > > -- From " I Am That " > > > > > > (.b b.b.) > > > > i'm not. > > > > and i'm damn glad of that too. > > > > that THAT is not the Real THAT. > > > > any That which can be named is not the Real That. > > > > that's that. > > > > .b b.b. > > > The real that, is this. It's not diminished when named, nor added to by being silent. Nor is it added to when named, or diminished when being silent. > > > - D - no. you are wrong. you don't know what the real is. that's just more of your bullshit. you don't know what you're talking about. go play that " peaceful monk " tune somewhere else. you and your game are both phony as hell. most of what you write.. is like some tawdry dime store novel rendition.. of what you've picked up in " holy books " . you reek of your own false sanctimonious crap. now bless me and forgive me and try and gain some merit points. " the 'real that is this " ..you friggin' wish danny boy. you know..as the Martha Stewart of the guru lists... you almost make me nauseous with that sort of two bit tripe. hurry now timmy.. your boyfriend has just been put in his place! LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta: In reality, only the Ultimate is. The rest is a matter of name and form. And as long as you cling to the idea that only what has name and shape exists, the Supreme will appear to you nonexisting. When you understand that names and shapes are hollow shells without any content whatsoever, and what is real is nameless and formless, pure energy of life and light of consciousness, you will be at peace -- immersed in the deep silence of reality. > > > > > > -- From " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes! > > > > > > what else!?! > > > > > > > > Quite. > > > > The relative/conventional IS the real/ultimate. > > > > What else? > > > > I guess one must be interested in death and not caring > > a bit about it, there can not be the slightest fear of > > death before it can be understood/seen that what never > > was born cannot die and that that's that! > > > > There! Not before and not later, only there! the time- > > less moment of real-ization, is presence! is name-less > > and there! for a breath-less moment - the name-less is > > all there is - the name, the shape, the form - is gone. > > > > -Lene > > Yes, the nameless is-ness is presence without death. > > And is understood as not other than who one is at the instant that fears of death, loss, pain, limitation, and illness dissolve. > > Fear keeps the object of the fear around. > > Yet, this understanding doesn't mean that there isn't death, loss, pain, limitation and illness involved in human life. These states, and their opposites, are what make human life experiential. > > > - D - do you talk like this in real life? does your wife or any of your friends ever.. kick you in your holy ass.. or laugh at you? do you ever act like a normal human being? are you phony through and through all the time? have you ever been a minister in a Baptist Congregation? do you really think people buy your nonsense? do you believe in magic? are you an old hippy? do you ever hang with rednecks? are you too good for any of the above? do you ever smell your own stink? just wondering danny. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Yes, the nameless is-ness is presence without death. > > And is understood as not other than who one is at the instant that fears of death, loss, pain, limitation, and illness dissolve. > > Fear keeps the object of the fear around. > > Yet, this understanding doesn't mean that there isn't death, loss, pain, limitation and illness involved in human life. These states, and their opposites, are what make human life experiential. > > > - D - do you talk like this in real life? does your wife or any of your friends ever.. kick you in your holy ass.. or laugh at you? do you ever act like a normal human being? are you phony through and through all the time? have you ever been a minister in a Baptist Congregation? do you really think people buy your nonsense? do you believe in magic? are you an old hippy? do you ever hang with rednecks? are you too good for any of the above? do you ever smell your own stink? just wondering danny. LOL! ..b b.b. why so bbb...? D is talking about death....pain...limitations....illness etc.... ahh...and then also about fear.... etc just this usual worldly talk.... everybody is having in hi/her restless mind... .... who is D?.. .... lol Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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