Hoping someone can help me understand a question I have

[Guest guest]

After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I just

finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this discussion

group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

Kind Regards,

Eric

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen wrote:

>

> After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I just

finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this discussion

group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> Kind Regards,

> Eric

 

 

looking for direction is the most fundamental mistake.

 

there is no difference between the holiest saint and a fetid turd.

 

suck it up and live.

 

there is nothing else.

 

end of story.

 

if you're looking for something else..

 

you'll look until you die and you'll never have lived.

 

but then...there is no choice.

 

you're a creature of time and there is no such thing as time.

 

that should tell you all you need to know re your true nature.

 

it is what it is and it is not going to change.

 

if it ever did..it wouldn't be it.

 

and you wouldn't be you.

 

and you are not you anyway.

 

just be happy with what you got.

 

and you got nothing as nothing's got you.

 

you-hoo!

 

that's who!

 

..b b.b.

[Guest guest]

After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I just

finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering

me. Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to

going into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a

pirate at the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if

at our death our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc.

disappears. It seems that the atheist who sees death as the end of

consciousness, beingness, existance, etc is no different than what

Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely I am missing something. Looking for

some direction.

Kind Regards,

Eric

 

 

I think this is a very good point that you raised. But consider: for one

death is in some point in the future, and for another death is and has

always been present, as the unchanging, unborn ground of being that one is.

Does such realization have some repercussion in ones life?

-geo-

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen wrote:

>

> After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I just

finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this discussion

group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> Kind Regards,

> Eric

>

 

 

All those differences you see and the questions and conflicts they create are

just in your head.

 

If you feel the need to solve those questions and conflicting ideas then gob

ahead. And if you have solved those contradictions and the tension they were

creating is gone then I am afraid you will seek new questions and new

contradictions because the tensions they cause give meaning to your live and the

feeling to be alive.

 

Werner

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I just

> finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

> discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering

> me. Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

> consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to

> going into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a

> pirate at the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if

> at our death our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc.

> disappears. It seems that the atheist who sees death as the end of

> consciousness, beingness, existance, etc is no different than what

> Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely I am missing something. Looking for

> some direction.

> Kind Regards,

> Eric

>

>

> I think this is a very good point that you raised. But consider: for one

> death is in some point in the future, and for another death is and has

> always been present, as the unchanging, unborn ground of being that one is.

> Does such realization have some repercussion in ones life?

> -geo-

 

 

no.

 

if it's dead it's dead...

 

no life left for repercussions.

 

there is nor has there ever been anything to recoil from.

 

that's a dead end street.

 

live and let die.

 

all else is bullshit.

 

but then again..

 

some like to live a life of bullshit.

 

let'em be.

 

or..one may get their stink all over oneself.

 

some may pretend that they are dead while alive.

 

and it's convincing too.

 

they smell like death warmed over with that bullshit belief.

 

but there's no need to pick up their disease.

 

what you see is what you get.

 

there is no santa claus...

 

but the " dead-alive " crowd will believe any hocus-pocus.

 

they want to appear mystical and knowing.

 

hahahahahaaaaaaaa!

 

if they appear anyway anyhow anywhere..

 

trust me..

 

they aren't dead.

 

they're children at play that's all.

 

this will stop of course when they die.

 

always has and always will.

 

..b b.b.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> >

> > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I just

finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this discussion

group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > Kind Regards,

> > Eric

> >

>

>

> All those differences you see and the questions and conflicts they create are

just in your head.

>

> If you feel the need to solve those questions and conflicting ideas then gob

ahead. And if you have solved those contradictions and the tension they were

creating is gone then I am afraid you will seek new questions and new

contradictions because the tensions they cause give meaning to your live and the

feeling to be alive.

>

> Werner

 

 

this is the case of course unless like werner..

 

there is no meaning to your life.

 

that's how and why he can tell you that crap.

 

..b b.b.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> >

> > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I just

finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this discussion

group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > Kind Regards,

> > Eric

>

>

> looking for direction is the most fundamental mistake.

>

> there is no difference between the holiest saint and a fetid turd.

>

> suck it up and live.

>

> there is nothing else.

>

> end of story.

>

> if you're looking for something else..

>

> you'll look until you die and you'll never have lived.

>

> but then...there is no choice.

>

> you're a creature of time and there is no such thing as time.

>

> that should tell you all you need to know re your true nature.

>

> it is what it is and it is not going to change.

>

> if it ever did..it wouldn't be it.

>

> and you wouldn't be you.

>

> and you are not you anyway.

>

> just be happy with what you got.

>

> and you got nothing as nothing's got you.

>

> you-hoo!

>

> that's who!

>

> .b b.b.

>

here here.

but " it " has a more definitive name:

awareness.

Mark

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> > >

> > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I

just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > Kind Regards,

> > > Eric

> >

> >

> > looking for direction is the most fundamental mistake.

> >

> > there is no difference between the holiest saint and a fetid turd.

> >

> > suck it up and live.

> >

> > there is nothing else.

> >

> > end of story.

> >

> > if you're looking for something else..

> >

> > you'll look until you die and you'll never have lived.

> >

> > but then...there is no choice.

> >

> > you're a creature of time and there is no such thing as time.

> >

> > that should tell you all you need to know re your true nature.

> >

> > it is what it is and it is not going to change.

> >

> > if it ever did..it wouldn't be it.

> >

> > and you wouldn't be you.

> >

> > and you are not you anyway.

> >

> > just be happy with what you got.

> >

> > and you got nothing as nothing's got you.

> >

> > you-hoo!

> >

> > that's who!

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> here here.

> but " it " has a more definitive name:

> awareness.

> Mark

 

 

 

there there..

 

i wasn't aware of that.

 

..b b.b.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I

just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > Eric

> > >

> > >

> > > looking for direction is the most fundamental mistake.

> > >

> > > there is no difference between the holiest saint and a fetid turd.

> > >

> > > suck it up and live.

> > >

> > > there is nothing else.

> > >

> > > end of story.

> > >

> > > if you're looking for something else..

> > >

> > > you'll look until you die and you'll never have lived.

> > >

> > > but then...there is no choice.

> > >

> > > you're a creature of time and there is no such thing as time.

> > >

> > > that should tell you all you need to know re your true nature.

> > >

> > > it is what it is and it is not going to change.

> > >

> > > if it ever did..it wouldn't be it.

> > >

> > > and you wouldn't be you.

> > >

> > > and you are not you anyway.

> > >

> > > just be happy with what you got.

> > >

> > > and you got nothing as nothing's got you.

> > >

> > > you-hoo!

> > >

> > > that's who!

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > here here.

> > but " it " has a more definitive name:

> > awareness.

> > Mark

>

>

>

> there there..

>

> i wasn't aware of that.

>

> .b b.b.

>

lol,well you are welcome then.

Mark

[Guest guest]

Hi Eric,

 

 

this question is crucial point of Nisargadatta teaching. I am happy that you asked this question, because I was always contemplating previously about it.

 

Maharaj gives solution. I t is like drama, you must be very attentive not to miss the point.

When questioner want to use mind and intelect for creation more and more concept, Maharaj put him back to central point - to ´I amness´.

 

There is so called ´love to be´ - strongest sense or power of illusion (maya), which want to continue as long as possible. Everybody is captured by this power and this is place where you can solve your question. Sage is released from fetter (bondage) of this illusion and he does not care if he live or not, because he is released from ´love to be´- he knows perfectly, that ´I ´ (in case of spiritual seeker or ordinary ignorant person - sage or stupid fellow) is illusory, dream, just as reflection of sun on the surface of lake or your face in the mirror. There is nothing as ´I´ who can do spiritual practice, there is no ´I´who want to have advantage above atheist or others, there is no ´I´ who want realize final truth.

 

So resume is just to be released from ´love to be´- and thene no question arise.

 

Jai Guru Maharaj

 

Ales

 

____________

> Od: "khufumen" <khufumen

> Komu: Nisargadatta

> Datum: 27.12.2009 23:22

> Předmět: Hoping someone can help me understand a question I have

>

 

 

 

 

After reading "I am That", I picked up "The Ultimate Medicine" which I just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me. Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and consciousness and the "I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness, existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

Kind Regards,

Eric

[Guest guest]

Well, it's about life, not death, isn't it? Or is death what you're primarily

concerned with? Maybe become an undertaker, so you can be around it all the

time? :-p.

 

Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen wrote:

>

> After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I just

finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this discussion

group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> Kind Regards,

> Eric

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen wrote:

>

> After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I just

finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this discussion

group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> Kind Regards,

> Eric

 

Yes, missing the oceanic allness that you are, that Nisargadatta calls

" awareness " - sometimes referred to as " nothing " (no-thing).

 

That you are, now.

 

Timeless, imperceptible, deathlessly aware.

 

- Dan -

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> >

> > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I just

finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this discussion

group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > Kind Regards,

> > Eric

>

> Yes, missing the oceanic allness that you are, that Nisargadatta calls

" awareness " - sometimes referred to as " nothing " (no-thing).

 

 

 

Ah - I had not read this before I wrote the previous message.

 

Awareness is something - not nothing.

 

Think again

 

-Lene

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

> That you are, now.

>

> Timeless, imperceptible, deathlessly aware.

>

> - Dan -

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> >

> > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I just

finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this discussion

group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > Kind Regards,

> > Eric

>

> Yes, missing the oceanic allness that you are, that Nisargadatta calls

" awareness " - sometimes referred to as " nothing " (no-thing).

>

> That you are, now.

>

> Timeless, imperceptible, deathlessly aware.

>

> - Dan -

 

 

" deathlessly " ?

 

where does death (or it's opposite) enter the picture HERE?

 

or " time " or " perception " or " awareness " ..or their opposites?

 

seems as though you are trapped at a rather low level dabbo.

 

rapturous silliness!

 

but we knew this all along..

 

in and by and with and as:

 

GNARLY NOWLINESS!

 

ooooooooooooooh you gotta love that one huh dabbo?

 

hey..

 

you're a fan of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles aren't you?

 

LOL!

 

..b b.b.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> > >

> > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I

just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > Kind Regards,

> > > Eric

> >

> > Yes, missing the oceanic allness that you are, that Nisargadatta calls

" awareness " - sometimes referred to as " nothing " (no-thing).

>

>

>

> Ah - I had not read this before I wrote the previous message.

>

> Awareness is something - not nothing.

>

> Think again

>

> -Lene

 

 

 

see there?

 

that's what i'm talkin 'bout.

 

the kid's a laugh a minute.

 

:-)

 

..b b.b.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> >

> > That you are, now.

> >

> > Timeless, imperceptible, deathlessly aware.

> >

> > - Dan -

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> BobN

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:04 PM

> Re: Hoping someone can help me understand a question

> I have

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I

> > just

> > finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

> > discussion group for help in understanding something that has been

> > bothering

> > me. Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force

> > and

> > consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to

> > going into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from

> > a

> > pirate at the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if

> > at our death our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc.

> > disappears. It seems that the atheist who sees death as the end of

> > consciousness, beingness, existance, etc is no different than what

> > Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely I am missing something. Looking

> > for

> > some direction.

> > Kind Regards,

> > Eric

> >

> >

> > I think this is a very good point that you raised. But consider: for one

> > death is in some point in the future, and for another death is and has

> > always been present, as the unchanging, unborn ground of being that one

> > is.

> > Does such realization have some repercussion in ones life?

> > -geo-

>

> no.

>

> if it's dead it's dead...

>

> no life left for repercussions.

>

> there is nor has there ever been anything to recoil from.

>

> that's a dead end street.

>

> live and let die.

>

> all else is bullshit.

>

> but then again..

>

> some like to live a life of bullshit.

>

> let'em be.

>

> or..one may get their stink all over oneself.

>

> some may pretend that they are dead while alive.

>

> and it's convincing too.

>

> they smell like death warmed over with that bullshit belief.

>

> but there's no need to pick up their disease.

>

> what you see is what you get.

>

> there is no santa claus...

>

> but the " dead-alive " crowd will believe any hocus-pocus.

>

> they want to appear mystical and knowing.

>

> hahahahahaaaaaaaa!

>

> if they appear anyway anyhow anywhere..

>

> trust me..

>

> they aren't dead.

>

> they're children at play that's all.

>

> this will stop of course when they die.

>

> always has and always will.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> Some have a very simple, totaly predictable and boring agenda: " I always

> disagree with anything anyone says anywhere in any way. I know better, and

> then quickly....I don't know. " His signature is..... LOLbbb.

> -geo-

>

 

 

A pretty precise analysis, Geo.

 

And now make the consequent next step and no longer read Bob and no longer reply

to his posts.

 

 

Werner

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> BobN

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:04 PM

> Re: Hoping someone can help me understand a question

> I have

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I

> > just

> > finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

> > discussion group for help in understanding something that has been

> > bothering

> > me. Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force

> > and

> > consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to

> > going into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from

> > a

> > pirate at the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if

> > at our death our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc.

> > disappears. It seems that the atheist who sees death as the end of

> > consciousness, beingness, existance, etc is no different than what

> > Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely I am missing something. Looking

> > for

> > some direction.

> > Kind Regards,

> > Eric

> >

> >

> > I think this is a very good point that you raised. But consider: for one

> > death is in some point in the future, and for another death is and has

> > always been present, as the unchanging, unborn ground of being that one

> > is.

> > Does such realization have some repercussion in ones life?

> > -geo-

>

> no.

>

> if it's dead it's dead...

>

> no life left for repercussions.

>

> there is nor has there ever been anything to recoil from.

>

> that's a dead end street.

>

> live and let die.

>

> all else is bullshit.

>

> but then again..

>

> some like to live a life of bullshit.

>

> let'em be.

>

> or..one may get their stink all over oneself.

>

> some may pretend that they are dead while alive.

>

> and it's convincing too.

>

> they smell like death warmed over with that bullshit belief.

>

> but there's no need to pick up their disease.

>

> what you see is what you get.

>

> there is no santa claus...

>

> but the " dead-alive " crowd will believe any hocus-pocus.

>

> they want to appear mystical and knowing.

>

> hahahahahaaaaaaaa!

>

> if they appear anyway anyhow anywhere..

>

> trust me..

>

> they aren't dead.

>

> they're children at play that's all.

>

> this will stop of course when they die.

>

> always has and always will.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> Some have a very simple, totaly predictable and boring agenda: " I always

> disagree with anything anyone says anywhere in any way. I know better, and

> then quickly....I don't know. " His signature is..... LOLbbb.

> -geo-

 

 

 

 

that's boring geoparado.

 

what " everybody " ?

 

is it your belief there are separate beings?

 

no wonder your lost on this forum.

 

and it's clear why you're such a sourpuss who never has any fun.

 

you take all this bullshit seriously...

 

but not quite as seriously as you so ridiculously take yourself.

 

now put your pout on geogenius.

 

baba loves to see Myself make an ass of itself..

 

as the " you " that " he " loves to piss off.

 

LOL!..no no wait..

 

for your pleasure let's make that:

 

ROFLMAO!

 

there you go cutie pie.

 

:-)

 

..b b.b.

[Guest guest]

-

BobN

Nisargadatta

Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:04 PM

Re: Hoping someone can help me understand a question

I have

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I

> just

> finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

> discussion group for help in understanding something that has been

> bothering

> me. Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force

> and

> consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to

> going into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from

> a

> pirate at the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if

> at our death our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc.

> disappears. It seems that the atheist who sees death as the end of

> consciousness, beingness, existance, etc is no different than what

> Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely I am missing something. Looking

> for

> some direction.

> Kind Regards,

> Eric

>

>

> I think this is a very good point that you raised. But consider: for one

> death is in some point in the future, and for another death is and has

> always been present, as the unchanging, unborn ground of being that one

> is.

> Does such realization have some repercussion in ones life?

> -geo-

 

no.

 

if it's dead it's dead...

 

no life left for repercussions.

 

there is nor has there ever been anything to recoil from.

 

that's a dead end street.

 

live and let die.

 

all else is bullshit.

 

but then again..

 

some like to live a life of bullshit.

 

let'em be.

 

or..one may get their stink all over oneself.

 

some may pretend that they are dead while alive.

 

and it's convincing too.

 

they smell like death warmed over with that bullshit belief.

 

but there's no need to pick up their disease.

 

what you see is what you get.

 

there is no santa claus...

 

but the " dead-alive " crowd will believe any hocus-pocus.

 

they want to appear mystical and knowing.

 

hahahahahaaaaaaaa!

 

if they appear anyway anyhow anywhere..

 

trust me..

 

they aren't dead.

 

they're children at play that's all.

 

this will stop of course when they die.

 

always has and always will.

 

..b b.b.

 

Some have a very simple, totaly predictable and boring agenda: " I always

disagree with anything anyone says anywhere in any way. I know better, and

then quickly....I don't know. " His signature is..... LOLbbb.

-geo-

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > BobN

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:04 PM

> > Re: Hoping someone can help me understand a question

> > I have

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I

> > > just

> > > finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

> > > discussion group for help in understanding something that has been

> > > bothering

> > > me. Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force

> > > and

> > > consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to

> > > going into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from

> > > a

> > > pirate at the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if

> > > at our death our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc.

> > > disappears. It seems that the atheist who sees death as the end of

> > > consciousness, beingness, existance, etc is no different than what

> > > Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely I am missing something. Looking

> > > for

> > > some direction.

> > > Kind Regards,

> > > Eric

> > >

> > >

> > > I think this is a very good point that you raised. But consider: for one

> > > death is in some point in the future, and for another death is and has

> > > always been present, as the unchanging, unborn ground of being that one

> > > is.

> > > Does such realization have some repercussion in ones life?

> > > -geo-

> >

> > no.

> >

> > if it's dead it's dead...

> >

> > no life left for repercussions.

> >

> > there is nor has there ever been anything to recoil from.

> >

> > that's a dead end street.

> >

> > live and let die.

> >

> > all else is bullshit.

> >

> > but then again..

> >

> > some like to live a life of bullshit.

> >

> > let'em be.

> >

> > or..one may get their stink all over oneself.

> >

> > some may pretend that they are dead while alive.

> >

> > and it's convincing too.

> >

> > they smell like death warmed over with that bullshit belief.

> >

> > but there's no need to pick up their disease.

> >

> > what you see is what you get.

> >

> > there is no santa claus...

> >

> > but the " dead-alive " crowd will believe any hocus-pocus.

> >

> > they want to appear mystical and knowing.

> >

> > hahahahahaaaaaaaa!

> >

> > if they appear anyway anyhow anywhere..

> >

> > trust me..

> >

> > they aren't dead.

> >

> > they're children at play that's all.

> >

> > this will stop of course when they die.

> >

> > always has and always will.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > Some have a very simple, totaly predictable and boring agenda: " I always

> > disagree with anything anyone says anywhere in any way. I know better, and

> > then quickly....I don't know. " His signature is..... LOLbbb.

> > -geo-

> >

>

>

> A pretty precise analysis, Geo.

>

> And now make the consequent next step and no longer read Bob and no longer

reply to his posts.

>

>

>

> Werner

 

 

aww wernie..

 

that's too bad.

 

and after all of my nice comments on your cute little hairdo too.

 

don't read this wernie!

 

that's an order.

 

i know you're good at following orders.

 

LOL!

 

..b b.b.

 

p.s.

 

put a Beatles page boy cut on that of yours.

 

it will really look a lot more like you honey pie.

 

and..you need a big nose and goofy face on it too.

 

perfection!

 

hahahahahaaaaaaaaa!

 

who loves you babe?

 

papa baba does that's who you little cuckoo.

 

you've got me under your skin!

 

[.bx3]

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> BobN

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, December 28, 2009 1:55 PM

> Re: Hoping someone can help me understand a question

> I have

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > BobN

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:04 PM

> > Re: Hoping someone can help me understand a

> > question

> > I have

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I

> > > just

> > > finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

> > > discussion group for help in understanding something that has been

> > > bothering

> > > me. Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force

> > > and

> > > consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar

> > > to

> > > going into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage

> > > from

> > > a

> > > pirate at the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices

> > > if

> > > at our death our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc.

> > > disappears. It seems that the atheist who sees death as the end of

> > > consciousness, beingness, existance, etc is no different than what

> > > Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely I am missing something. Looking

> > > for

> > > some direction.

> > > Kind Regards,

> > > Eric

> > >

> > >

> > > I think this is a very good point that you raised. But consider: for one

> > > death is in some point in the future, and for another death is and has

> > > always been present, as the unchanging, unborn ground of being that one

> > > is.

> > > Does such realization have some repercussion in ones life?

> > > -geo-

> >

> > no.

> >

> > if it's dead it's dead...

> >

> > no life left for repercussions.

> >

> > there is nor has there ever been anything to recoil from.

> >

> > that's a dead end street.

> >

> > live and let die.

> >

> > all else is bullshit.

> >

> > but then again..

> >

> > some like to live a life of bullshit.

> >

> > let'em be.

> >

> > or..one may get their stink all over oneself.

> >

> > some may pretend that they are dead while alive.

> >

> > and it's convincing too.

> >

> > they smell like death warmed over with that bullshit belief.

> >

> > but there's no need to pick up their disease.

> >

> > what you see is what you get.

> >

> > there is no santa claus...

> >

> > but the " dead-alive " crowd will believe any hocus-pocus.

> >

> > they want to appear mystical and knowing.

> >

> > hahahahahaaaaaaaa!

> >

> > if they appear anyway anyhow anywhere..

> >

> > trust me..

> >

> > they aren't dead.

> >

> > they're children at play that's all.

> >

> > this will stop of course when they die.

> >

> > always has and always will.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > Some have a very simple, totaly predictable and boring agenda: " I always

> > disagree with anything anyone says anywhere in any way. I know better, and

> > then quickly....I don't know. " His signature is..... LOLbbb.

> > -geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

 

(b b.b.)

 

> that's boring geoparado.

>

> what " everybody " ?

>

> is it your belief there are separate beings?

 

 

 

 

>(geo):

 

> No.

 

 

 

(.b b.b.):

 

then what " everybody " .

 

again..

 

you say one thing and then another.

 

you don't know what the hell you're trying to say.

 

 

 

 

no wonder your lost on this forum.

 

 

 

>( geo):

 

>...and anywhere else. Lost at home.

 

 

 

 

 

(.b b.b.):

 

in space you mean.

 

i mean you sure as hell sound spacey.

 

LOL!

 

 

 

 

and it's clear why you're such a sourpuss who never has any fun.

 

 

 

 

 

>(geo):

 

> I have lots of fun here. I dont need to sign LOLgeo though...

 

 

 

 

 

(.b b.b.):

 

so...don't.

 

nobody said that you had to.

 

frankly nobody gives a crap what you do geo.

 

it's you who seem to have too much concern about what baba does.

 

and if you're having fun..

 

quit whining.

 

laugh like those who are really having fun do.

 

but if being sour and dour and being a crybaby is your idea of fun..

 

go for it little cowboy.

 

rock on!

 

 

 

you take all this bullshit seriously...

 

 

 

 

>(geo)

 

>Not at all...your impression.

 

 

 

(.b b.b.):

 

if you think baba has any kind of impression of you..

 

other than what you display..

 

you're not only too serious..

 

you're seriously deluded too.

 

:-)

 

 

 

but not quite as seriously as you so ridiculously take yourself.

 

 

 

 

 

> Indeed I am an assole sometimes - I know. It is just a tangent

> point....quickly left behind

 

 

 

(.b b.b.)

 

oh shit!

 

you aren't at the level of an asshole.

 

don't give yourself that much credit.

 

you're off on a tangent alright.

 

 

 

[and in honor of geo's honoring the below we'll just leave it be

 

in all of it's Truth and Magnificence.]:

 

..b b.b.

 

 

 

 

 

> now put your pout on geogenius.

>

> baba loves to see Myself make an ass of itself..

>

> as the " you " that " he " loves to piss off.

>

> LOL!..no no wait..

>

> for your pleasure let's make that:

>

> ROFLMAO!

>

> there you go cutie pie.

>

> :-)

>

> .b b.b.

>

[Guest guest]

-

BobN

Nisargadatta

Monday, December 28, 2009 1:55 PM

Re: Hoping someone can help me understand a question

I have

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> BobN

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:04 PM

> Re: Hoping someone can help me understand a

> question

> I have

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I

> > just

> > finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

> > discussion group for help in understanding something that has been

> > bothering

> > me. Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force

> > and

> > consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar

> > to

> > going into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage

> > from

> > a

> > pirate at the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices

> > if

> > at our death our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc.

> > disappears. It seems that the atheist who sees death as the end of

> > consciousness, beingness, existance, etc is no different than what

> > Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely I am missing something. Looking

> > for

> > some direction.

> > Kind Regards,

> > Eric

> >

> >

> > I think this is a very good point that you raised. But consider: for one

> > death is in some point in the future, and for another death is and has

> > always been present, as the unchanging, unborn ground of being that one

> > is.

> > Does such realization have some repercussion in ones life?

> > -geo-

>

> no.

>

> if it's dead it's dead...

>

> no life left for repercussions.

>

> there is nor has there ever been anything to recoil from.

>

> that's a dead end street.

>

> live and let die.

>

> all else is bullshit.

>

> but then again..

>

> some like to live a life of bullshit.

>

> let'em be.

>

> or..one may get their stink all over oneself.

>

> some may pretend that they are dead while alive.

>

> and it's convincing too.

>

> they smell like death warmed over with that bullshit belief.

>

> but there's no need to pick up their disease.

>

> what you see is what you get.

>

> there is no santa claus...

>

> but the " dead-alive " crowd will believe any hocus-pocus.

>

> they want to appear mystical and knowing.

>

> hahahahahaaaaaaaa!

>

> if they appear anyway anyhow anywhere..

>

> trust me..

>

> they aren't dead.

>

> they're children at play that's all.

>

> this will stop of course when they die.

>

> always has and always will.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> Some have a very simple, totaly predictable and boring agenda: " I always

> disagree with anything anyone says anywhere in any way. I know better, and

> then quickly....I don't know. " His signature is..... LOLbbb.

> -geo-

 

that's boring geoparado.

 

what " everybody " ?

 

is it your belief there are separate beings?

 

geo> No.

 

no wonder your lost on this forum.

 

geo> ...and anywhere else. Lost at home.

 

and it's clear why you're such a sourpuss who never has any fun.

 

 

geo> I have lots of fun here. I dont need to sign LOLgeo though...

 

you take all this bullshit seriously...

 

geo> Not at all...your impression.

 

but not quite as seriously as you so ridiculously take yourself.

 

geo> Indeed I am an assole sometimes - I know. It is just a tangent

point....quickly left behind

 

now put your pout on geogenius.

 

baba loves to see Myself make an ass of itself..

 

as the " you " that " he " loves to piss off.

 

LOL!..no no wait..

 

for your pleasure let's make that:

 

ROFLMAO!

 

there you go cutie pie.

 

:-)

 

..b b.b.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> > >

> > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I

just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > Kind Regards,

> > > Eric

 

 

P: You are right that Nis and an atheist view

about God and the afterlife are the same, but

with one difference:

The atheist believes he is a self who will die. Nis

negation is total: neither self, nor death exist.

 

What does this mean that death doesn't exist. It's

simple, particular organisms cease to exist, but

there is not a state called death were they go to.

 

There is only generic life being conscious of

itself and the universe through organisms. This

will go on as long as the universe exists. Deeply

realizing this liberates from suffering and the

fear of death. There is no one who suffers, there

is no one who dies. Only life lives.

 

Pete

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> > >

> > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I

just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > Kind Regards,

> > > Eric

> >

> > Yes, missing the oceanic allness that you are, that Nisargadatta calls

" awareness " - sometimes referred to as " nothing " (no-thing).

>

>

>

> Ah - I had not read this before I wrote the previous message.

>

> Awareness is something - not nothing.

>

> Think again

>

> -Lene

 

What is there to think about?

 

Something and nothing are not different.

 

Any something is nothing.

 

Nothing is all things.

 

- Dan -

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I

just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > Eric

>

>

> P: You are right that Nis and an atheist view

> about God and the afterlife are the same, but

> with one difference:

> The atheist believes he is a self who will die. Nis

> negation is total: neither self, nor death exist.

>

> What does this mean that death doesn't exist. It's

> simple, particular organisms cease to exist, but

> there is not a state called death were they go to.

>

> There is only generic life being conscious of

> itself and the universe through organisms. This

> will go on as long as the universe exists. Deeply

> realizing this liberates from suffering and the

> fear of death. There is no one who suffers, there

> is no one who dies. Only life lives.

>

> Pete

 

There is no universe existing apart from your own awareness.

 

Death doesn't end life because life is being aware.

 

Death is not the opposite of being aware.

 

Death is the opposite of birth.

 

Thus, birth and death don't contradict each other as one is aware.

 

- Dan -

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

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> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

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> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

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> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

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> > > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I

just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > > Eric

> >

> >

> > P: You are right that Nis and an atheist view

> > about God and the afterlife are the same, but

> > with one difference:

> > The atheist believes he is a self who will die. Nis

> > negation is total: neither self, nor death exist.

> >

> > What does this mean that death doesn't exist. It's

> > simple, particular organisms cease to exist, but

> > there is not a state called death were they go to.

> >

> > There is only generic life being conscious of

> > itself and the universe through organisms. This

> > will go on as long as the universe exists. Deeply

> > realizing this liberates from suffering and the

> > fear of death. There is no one who suffers, there

> > is no one who dies. Only life lives.

> >

> > Pete

>

> There is no universe existing apart from your own awareness.

>

> Death doesn't end life because life is being aware.

>

> Death is not the opposite of being aware.

>

> Death is the opposite of birth.

>

> Thus, birth and death don't contradict each other as one is aware.

>

> - Dan -

 

P: From now on, I'm going to call you graffiti boy.

What urges to deface posts with your confused

paraphrasing?

>