So, fellow inquirer, what would You do?

[Guest guest]

Hello again,

 

(It is fun to philosophise about 'I am that' and other cerebraly verbose

addictions and peculiar formulations, conceptually impressive contortions and

abstractions; but to speak out of compassion, an ability to relate to another's

daily-living situation/suffering, understand and respond, often the ears and the

precious 'consciousness' one loves to talk about, stops functioning, and one has

no comment.)

 

Anyways, perhaps 1 out of the hundreds here, will hear this one, this time...:

 

One hears much of 'reaction-free awareness', as an approach to life, as a

recommended alternative to the egoic fighting-stance.

 

One may come to see the illusory nature of `control' of life's events in order

to be happy, _while_ inquiring/seeing; but in the midst of life's challenges one

wonders whether these apply at all.

 

To take a simple daily-life occurrence:

The (upstairs)-neighbour makes noise. Shocks from children's trampling on

carpet-less floor, use of hammers, washing machine after the allowed times

according to the rules-of-the house. One complains to administration for years,

but no improvement. And it is so, that the neighbour is employed by the

administration office of the building. One of the administration-workers advised

`if neighbour does not show consideration, then –move-`.

So, the one exposed to noise 'should move', while the other can carry on. (I

probably would, but cannot afford it.)

 

This challenge does generate –images- of these people, and of myself being

subjected to injustice.

 

There are times when these mental formations are seen and there is a release of

the trapped energy and so peace, and other times when the `unfair! - keep on

fighting'-approach is taking over, and so the `being sucked in a vortex… of

delusion' with subsequent drainage of energy, takes place. Not to mention the

frustration of no-communication taking place, as shown by the brushing aside of

the problem by the admin. via generalized and strategic avoidance-of-facts

distorting/manipulative statements, such as " that is the way in a building with

floors, it is normal to hear the neighbour " .

 

There is a daily challenge reminded thru the fact of living there.

So it is not just a matter of the 'past'-recollection devoid of actual/present

situation, is it?

 

It (the noise and reaction) does not seem to be too healthy either, unless the

awareness is acute enough to dissolve the absorption into the vortex or prevent

it.

 

What I am trying to say essentially is, that there is this dilemma as to whether

in such a situation, the `mainstream'-approach to fight what is `bad'/unjust, is

not after all the appropriate one.

Or is it?

 

Regards,

Jb

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " new7892001 " <JB789 wrote:

>

>

> Hello again,

>

> (It is fun to philosophise about 'I am that' and other cerebraly verbose

addictions and peculiar formulations, conceptually impressive contortions and

abstractions; but to speak out of compassion, an ability to relate to another's

daily-living situation/suffering, understand and respond, often the ears and the

precious 'consciousness' one loves to talk about, stops functioning, and one has

no comment.)

>

> Anyways, perhaps 1 out of the hundreds here, will hear this one, this time...:

>

> One hears much of 'reaction-free awareness', as an approach to life, as a

> recommended alternative to the egoic fighting-stance.

>

> One may come to see the illusory nature of `control' of life's events in order

> to be happy, _while_ inquiring/seeing; but in the midst of life's challenges

one

> wonders whether these apply at all.

>

> To take a simple daily-life occurrence:

> The (upstairs)-neighbour makes noise. Shocks from children's trampling on

> carpet-less floor, use of hammers, washing machine after the allowed times

> according to the rules-of-the house. One complains to administration for

years,

> but no improvement. And it is so, that the neighbour is employed by the

> administration office of the building. One of the administration-workers

advised

> `if neighbour does not show consideration, then –move-`.

> So, the one exposed to noise 'should move', while the other can carry on. (I

> probably would, but cannot afford it.)

>

> This challenge does generate –images- of these people, and of myself being

> subjected to injustice.

>

> There are times when these mental formations are seen and there is a release

of

> the trapped energy and so peace, and other times when the `unfair! - keep on

> fighting'-approach is taking over, and so the `being sucked in a vortex… of

> delusion' with subsequent drainage of energy, takes place. Not to mention the

> frustration of no-communication taking place, as shown by the brushing aside

of

> the problem by the admin. via generalized and strategic avoidance-of-facts

> distorting/manipulative statements, such as " that is the way in a building

with

> floors, it is normal to hear the neighbour " .

>

> There is a daily challenge reminded thru the fact of living there.

> So it is not just a matter of the 'past'-recollection devoid of actual/present

> situation, is it?

>

> It (the noise and reaction) does not seem to be too healthy either, unless the

> awareness is acute enough to dissolve the absorption into the vortex or

prevent

> it.

>

> What I am trying to say essentially is, that there is this dilemma as to

whether

> in such a situation, the `mainstream'-approach to fight what is `bad'/unjust,

is

> not after all the appropriate one.

> Or is it?

>

> Regards,

> Jb

 

 

well that pretty simply says it all in a word....

 

or in a whole lot of words actually.

 

now in regard to the parting question:

 

who the hell knows?

 

if you know the answer to that one..

 

you don't need to ask.

 

it's not a judgment call at any rate.

 

so it really doesn't matter what anyone " else " says.

 

it doesn't matter at all no matter what.

 

..b b.b.

[Guest guest]

Hello again,> > (It is fun to philosophise about 'I am that' and other cerebraly verbose addictions and peculiar formulations, conceptually impressive contortions and abstractions; but to speak out of compassion, an ability to relate to another's daily-living situation/suffering, understand and respond, often the ears and the precious 'consciousness' one loves to talk about, stops functioning, and one has no comment.)> > Anyways, perhaps 1 out of the hundreds here, will hear this one, this time...:> > One hears much of 'reaction-free awareness', as an approach to life, as a> recommended alternative to the egoic fighting-stance.> > One may come to see the illusory nature of `control' of life's events in order> to be happy, _while_ inquiring/seeing; but in the midst of life's challenges one> wonders whether these apply at all.> > To take a simple daily-life occurrence:> The (upstairs)-neighbour makes noise. Shocks from children's trampling on> carpet-less floor, use of hammers, washing machine after the allowed times> according to the rules-of-the house. One complains to administration for years,> but no improvement. And it is so, that the neighbour is employed by the> administration office of the building. One of the administration-workers advised> `if neighbour does not show consideration, then –move-`.> So, the one exposed to noise 'should move', while the other can carry on. (I> probably would, but cannot afford it.)> > This challenge does generate –images- of these people, and of myself being> subjected to injustice.> > There are times when these mental formations are seen and there is a release of> the trapped energy and so peace, and other times when the `unfair! - keep on> fighting'-approach is taking over, and so the `being sucked in a vortex… of> delusion' with subsequent drainage of energy, takes place. Not to mention the> frustration of no-communication taking place, as shown by the brushing aside of> the problem by the admin. via generalized and strategic avoidance-of-facts> distorting/manipulative statements, such as "that is the way in a building with> floors, it is normal to hear the neighbour".> > There is a daily challenge reminded thru the fact of living there.> So it is not just a matter of the 'past'-recollection devoid of actual/present> situation, is it?> > It (the noise and reaction) does not seem to be too healthy either, unless the> awareness is acute enough to dissolve the absorption into the vortex or prevent> it.> > What I am trying to say essentially is, that there is this dilemma as to whether> in such a situation, the `mainstream'-approach to fight what is `bad'/unjust, is> not after all the appropriate one.> Or is it?> > Regards,> Jb

None will be able to give you an answer to a particular life situation. Actions in life are dependent in a myriad of factors. The answer is: anything, any event, any action, any answers, any BS-or-not that arises in life arises in/as awareness - your real nature.

 

-geo-

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> Hello again,

> >

> > (It is fun to philosophise about 'I am that' and other cerebraly verbose

addictions and peculiar formulations, conceptually impressive contortions and

abstractions; but to speak out of compassion, an ability to relate to another's

daily-living situation/suffering, understand and respond, often the ears and the

precious 'consciousness' one loves to talk about, stops functioning, and one has

no comment.)

> >

> > Anyways, perhaps 1 out of the hundreds here, will hear this one, this

time...:

> >

> > One hears much of 'reaction-free awareness', as an approach to life, as a

> > recommended alternative to the egoic fighting-stance.

> >

> > One may come to see the illusory nature of `control' of life's events in

order

> > to be happy, _while_ inquiring/seeing; but in the midst of life's challenges

one

> > wonders whether these apply at all.

> >

> > To take a simple daily-life occurrence:

> > The (upstairs)-neighbour makes noise. Shocks from children's trampling on

> > carpet-less floor, use of hammers, washing machine after the allowed times

> > according to the rules-of-the house. One complains to administration for

years,

> > but no improvement. And it is so, that the neighbour is employed by the

> > administration office of the building. One of the administration-workers

advised

> > `if neighbour does not show consideration, then -move-`.

> > So, the one exposed to noise 'should move', while the other can carry on. (I

> > probably would, but cannot afford it.)

> >

> > This challenge does generate -images- of these people, and of myself being

> > subjected to injustice.

> >

> > There are times when these mental formations are seen and there is a release

of

> > the trapped energy and so peace, and other times when the `unfair! - keep on

> > fighting'-approach is taking over, and so the `being sucked in a vortex. of

> > delusion' with subsequent drainage of energy, takes place. Not to mention

the

> > frustration of no-communication taking place, as shown by the brushing aside

of

> > the problem by the admin. via generalized and strategic avoidance-of-facts

> > distorting/manipulative statements, such as " that is the way in a building

with

> > floors, it is normal to hear the neighbour " .

> >

> > There is a daily challenge reminded thru the fact of living there.

> > So it is not just a matter of the 'past'-recollection devoid of

actual/present

> > situation, is it?

> >

> > It (the noise and reaction) does not seem to be too healthy either, unless

the

> > awareness is acute enough to dissolve the absorption into the vortex or

prevent

> > it.

> >

> > What I am trying to say essentially is, that there is this dilemma as to

whether

> > in such a situation, the `mainstream'-approach to fight what is

`bad'/unjust, is

> > not after all the appropriate one.

> > Or is it?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jb

>

> None will be able to give you an answer to a particular life situation.

Actions in life are dependent in a myriad of factors. The answer is: anything,

any event, any action, any answers, any BS-or-not that arises in life arises

in/as awareness - your real nature.

>

> -geo-

 

 

there is no such thing as " true nature " .

 

there is no one..nothing..

 

that could " posses " ..nor be possessed by such a " thing " .

 

" 'your' real nature " .. compounds the error by erroneously assumiing:

 

BOTH a " true nature " and an individuated aspect that has one.

 

F-

 

you must repeat the course.

 

God only knows how many times.

 

..b b.b.