Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:28 PM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > > > -geo- > > > > > > You think death is boring? > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > It is what then? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Seems like a very silly question, from here. > > > > Both boredom and excitement are obviously ways to be (for a living being). > > > > Without the living being, all is just new. > > > > Even the movement from one letter to the next in this sentence is completely > > new, with each letter. > > -tim- > > > > That is what was implied in the word " marvelous " , I used - but dan did not > > like it. That was the beguining of the thread...And what a thread!!! > > -geo- > > > What a thread it was. > > What a week it was. > > What a year it was. > > What a life it was. > > It was, it was, it was. > > > Smiles, > > Dan is that a wuss saying? :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:14 PM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > > > -geo- > > > > > > You think death is boring? > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > It is what then? > > > -geo- > > > > it is to die. > > > > - D - > > > > OOHHHhhh......I can see the light. > > -geo- > > You are what you see. > > - D - what need of saying that then? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:18 AM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? To > > > the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated > > with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture does > > it have? > > > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a > > physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . > > -tim- > > > > No. She is not referring to a physical brain at all. But now......tell us > > its REAL name. > > -geo- > > Yes, that's what I want to know. > > What is it really? > > Let's get on the same page here. > > Is it ... life, energy, death, stillness, awareness, nothing, being, > no-thing, consciousness, love, now, all, totality, > emptiness, tao, you, me, impersonal, personal ... > > Let's get it straight once and for all. > > In fact ... > > Let's take a poll! > > > - Dan - nah. you're too lazy to get it up and running. yawn. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:50 PM > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:18 AM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? To > > > the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated > > with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture does > > it have? > > > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a > > physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . > > -tim- > > > > No. She is not referring to a physical brain at all. But now......tell us > > its REAL name. > > -geo- > > Yes, that's what I want to know. > > What is it really? > > Let's get on the same page here. > > Is it ... life, energy, death, stillness, awareness, nothing, being, > no-thing, consciousness, love, now, all, totality, > emptiness, tao, you, me, impersonal, personal ... > > Let's get it straight once and for all. > > In fact ... > > Let's take a poll! > > - Dan - > > Why not Mind? It can not be named anyway... > So instead of saying there is no Mind....let us find out what lene means by > Mind before excluding the word from the list of possible names to IT. > -geo- Why do you assume there is something to be named? That is an unnecessary assumption. If you're concerned with finding out what Lene meant, why not address a post to Lene and ask her what she meant? - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:41 PM Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:11 PM > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Friday, January 08, 2010 8:49 PM > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that any " how " or " why " question implies time, and > > > > > that > > > > > there > > > > > is no time actually involved. So, I'm also asking: how is there > > > > > even an > > > > > appearance or illusion of time in and through a timeless awareness > > > > > that > > > > > has > > > > > no motive or intention to produce illusion. > > > > > -- > > > > > geo> To say that awareness has no motive or intention to produce > > > > > illusion > > > > > is > > > > > quite questionable, is theoretical. Illusion or not-illusion....is > > > > > not > > > > > some > > > > > absolute value. > > > > > Are stars and constellations and a cup of coffee as illusional as > > > > > the > > > > > sense > > > > > of a separate me? > > > > > > > > > > I did not express myself well. What I mean is motives or intention > > > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > absolute are unknowable to us - human beings. > > > > > > > > If you are not this absolute ... how can you know anything? > > > > > > > > How can you claim to know you are a human being? > > > > > > > > In the other hand obviously > > > > > there is a certain - what some have tentatively call " law " - that > > > > > permeates > > > > > the universe otherwise we would not be here :>))). > > > > > > > > Again, unless you are this absolute - how can you determine whether > > > > there > > > > is > > > > a here or not - and whether or not anyone is here? > > > > > > > > > After all our human > > > > > world has trees and water falls and animals and lakes and not just > > > > > volcanoes, lava, fetid suphurous air etc.... > > > > > > > > > > ...ahhh...this is not easy to ponder upon.... > > > > > > > > You postulate an absolute. > > > > > > > > But unless you are this absolute - how can you know anything is > > > > absolute? > > > > > > > > And if you are it ... to whom are you talking about it? > > > > > > > > Someone else? > > > > > > > > Something else? > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > None else. That is not what I mean (actualy I am having a hard time > > > > trying > > > > to express this). What I mean is that there is a certain intention > > > > emanating > > > > from the absolute that knowledge can not touch in any way. The > > > > intention > > > > of > > > > manifesting. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > An intention? No way. > > > > > > There is no place for any manifestation to have occurred, or to intend > > > for > > > one to happen. > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside. > > > > > > There isn't an outside. > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside?? No. This depth here is infinite > > > in all > > > nuances or manners or intents... Nothing a human mind can grasp. > > > You did not get what I wanted to say...its OK > > > -geo- > > > > I did. > > > > You did not get what I said. > > > > You want infinite depth that your human mind can say, " I don't grasp. " > > > > Your mind wants some kind of infinite depth with an intention that it > > can't grasp, and wants to be involved with a " manifestation. " > > > > This means you want to have manifested. > > > > But nope - you haven't. > > > > Sorry to break the news to you. > > > > --------------------- > > > What your mind doesn't want is to not be able to be there, and to have > > no value whatsoever, no infinite depth to ponder, no ponderer of it. > > > And yet - be there > > Mind is all there is > > -Lene There's no such thing as a mind, or Mind. Never has been, never will be. It's an imaginary reference point. Mind what I say! - D - But there is a awareness or consciousness! Great....those words are really more identical to IT. PS - Imaginary - imagined by whom? Referenced by whom? Which is the word that is better then mind? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:30 PM > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:41 PM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:11 PM > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Friday, January 08, 2010 8:49 PM > > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that any " how " or " why " question implies time, and > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > is no time actually involved. So, I'm also asking: how is there > > > > > > > even an > > > > > > > appearance or illusion of time in and through a timeless > > > > > > > awareness > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > no motive or intention to produce illusion. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > geo> To say that awareness has no motive or intention to produce > > > > > > > illusion > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > quite questionable, is theoretical. Illusion or > > > > > > > not-illusion....is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > absolute value. > > > > > > > Are stars and constellations and a cup of coffee as illusional > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > of a separate me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not express myself well. What I mean is motives or > > > > > > > intention > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > absolute are unknowable to us - human beings. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are not this absolute ... how can you know anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > How can you claim to know you are a human being? > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other hand obviously > > > > > > > there is a certain - what some have tentatively call " law " - > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > permeates > > > > > > > the universe otherwise we would not be here :>))). > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, unless you are this absolute - how can you determine > > > > > > whether > > > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > a here or not - and whether or not anyone is here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > After all our human > > > > > > > world has trees and water falls and animals and lakes and not > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > volcanoes, lava, fetid suphurous air etc.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...ahhh...this is not easy to ponder upon.... > > > > > > > > > > > > You postulate an absolute. > > > > > > > > > > > > But unless you are this absolute - how can you know anything is > > > > > > absolute? > > > > > > > > > > > > And if you are it ... to whom are you talking about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone else? > > > > > > > > > > > > Something else? > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > None else. That is not what I mean (actualy I am having a hard > > > > > > time > > > > > > trying > > > > > > to express this). What I mean is that there is a certain intention > > > > > > emanating > > > > > > from the absolute that knowledge can not touch in any way. The > > > > > > intention > > > > > > of > > > > > > manifesting. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > > > > > An intention? No way. > > > > > > > > > > There is no place for any manifestation to have occurred, or to > > > > > intend > > > > > for > > > > > one to happen. > > > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside. > > > > > > > > > > There isn't an outside. > > > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside?? No. This depth here is infinite > > > > > in all > > > > > nuances or manners or intents... Nothing a human mind can grasp. > > > > > You did not get what I wanted to say...its OK > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > I did. > > > > > > > > You did not get what I said. > > > > > > > > You want infinite depth that your human mind can say, " I don't grasp. " > > > > > > > > Your mind wants some kind of infinite depth with an intention that it > > > > can't grasp, and wants to be involved with a " manifestation. " > > > > > > > > This means you want to have manifested. > > > > > > > > But nope - you haven't. > > > > > > > > Sorry to break the news to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- > > > > > > > What your mind doesn't want is to not be able to be there, and to have > > > > no value whatsoever, no infinite depth to ponder, no ponderer of it. > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > -Lene > > > > There's no such thing as a mind, or Mind. > > > > Never has been, never will be. > > > > It's an imaginary reference point. > > > > Mind what I say! > > > > - D - > > > > But there is a awareness or consciousness! Great....those words are really > > more identical to IT. > > PS - Imaginary - imagined by whom? Referenced by whom? Which is the word > > that is better then mind? > > -geo- > > Saliva. > > Everyone knows reality is produced by the salivary glands. > > Wake up! > > - Dan - > > Saliva is better then mind? > -geo- No. There isn't any single source or multiple source of reality. So, no concern to find a name for an " it " that doesn't exist. You say you are " more " than what you perceive. So, this is what you're endeavoring. Looking for " more, " wanting to be " more, " wanting a name for this " more, " wanting to say there's a " more " and it's unnameable, etc., etc. There is no " more " for you to be, get, name, or not be able to name. - Dan - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:47 PM Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:28 PM > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > > -geo- > > > > You think death is boring? > > > > Nope. > > > > - D - > > > > It is what then? > > -geo- > > > > Seems like a very silly question, from here. > > Both boredom and excitement are obviously ways to be (for a living being). > > Without the living being, all is just new. > > Even the movement from one letter to the next in this sentence is > completely > new, with each letter. > -tim- > > That is what was implied in the word " marvelous " , I used - but dan did not > like it. That was the beguining of the thread...And what a thread!!! > -geo- What a thread it was. What a week it was. What a year it was. What a life it was. It was, it was, it was. Smiles, Dan Nonetheless it IS! :>) -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:50 PM Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:14 PM > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > > -geo- > > > > You think death is boring? > > > > Nope. > > > > - D - > > > > It is what then? > > -geo- > > it is to die. > > - D - > > OOHHHhhh......I can see the light. > -geo- You are what you see. - D - I am more then what I perceive. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:41 PM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:11 PM > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Friday, January 08, 2010 8:49 PM > > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that any " how " or " why " question implies time, and > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > is no time actually involved. So, I'm also asking: how is there > > > > > > > even an > > > > > > > appearance or illusion of time in and through a timeless awareness > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > no motive or intention to produce illusion. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > geo> To say that awareness has no motive or intention to produce > > > > > > > illusion > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > quite questionable, is theoretical. Illusion or not-illusion....is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > absolute value. > > > > > > > Are stars and constellations and a cup of coffee as illusional as > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > of a separate me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not express myself well. What I mean is motives or intention > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > absolute are unknowable to us - human beings. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are not this absolute ... how can you know anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > How can you claim to know you are a human being? > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other hand obviously > > > > > > > there is a certain - what some have tentatively call " law " - that > > > > > > > permeates > > > > > > > the universe otherwise we would not be here :>))). > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, unless you are this absolute - how can you determine whether > > > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > a here or not - and whether or not anyone is here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > After all our human > > > > > > > world has trees and water falls and animals and lakes and not just > > > > > > > volcanoes, lava, fetid suphurous air etc.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...ahhh...this is not easy to ponder upon.... > > > > > > > > > > > > You postulate an absolute. > > > > > > > > > > > > But unless you are this absolute - how can you know anything is > > > > > > absolute? > > > > > > > > > > > > And if you are it ... to whom are you talking about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone else? > > > > > > > > > > > > Something else? > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > None else. That is not what I mean (actualy I am having a hard time > > > > > > trying > > > > > > to express this). What I mean is that there is a certain intention > > > > > > emanating > > > > > > from the absolute that knowledge can not touch in any way. The > > > > > > intention > > > > > > of > > > > > > manifesting. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > > > > > An intention? No way. > > > > > > > > > > There is no place for any manifestation to have occurred, or to intend > > > > > for > > > > > one to happen. > > > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside. > > > > > > > > > > There isn't an outside. > > > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside?? No. This depth here is infinite > > > > > in all > > > > > nuances or manners or intents... Nothing a human mind can grasp. > > > > > You did not get what I wanted to say...its OK > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > I did. > > > > > > > > You did not get what I said. > > > > > > > > You want infinite depth that your human mind can say, " I don't grasp. " > > > > > > > > Your mind wants some kind of infinite depth with an intention that it > > > > can't grasp, and wants to be involved with a " manifestation. " > > > > > > > > This means you want to have manifested. > > > > > > > > But nope - you haven't. > > > > > > > > Sorry to break the news to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- > > > > > > > What your mind doesn't want is to not be able to be there, and to have > > > > no value whatsoever, no infinite depth to ponder, no ponderer of it. > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > -Lene > > > > There's no such thing as a mind, or Mind. > > > > Never has been, never will be. > > > > It's an imaginary reference point. > > > > Mind what I say! > > > > - D - > > > > But there is a awareness or consciousness! Great....those words are really > > more identical to IT. > > PS - Imaginary - imagined by whom? Referenced by whom? Which is the word > > that is better then mind? > > -geo- > > Saliva. > > Everyone knows reality is produced by the salivary glands. > > Wake up! > > - Dan - so you're going to try and slobber up to him now huh? it's fitting. it goes with your slobbering preachment from the pulpit " Reverend " . LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:50 PM Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:18 AM > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? To > > the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated > with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture does > it have? > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a > physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . > -tim- > > No. She is not referring to a physical brain at all. But now......tell us > its REAL name. > -geo- Yes, that's what I want to know. What is it really? Let's get on the same page here. Is it ... life, energy, death, stillness, awareness, nothing, being, no-thing, consciousness, love, now, all, totality, emptiness, tao, you, me, impersonal, personal ... Let's get it straight once and for all. In fact ... Let's take a poll! - Dan - Why not Mind? It can not be named anyway... So instead of saying there is no Mind....let us find out what lene means by Mind before excluding the word from the list of possible names to IT. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:30 PM Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:41 PM > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:11 PM > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Friday, January 08, 2010 8:49 PM > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that any " how " or " why " question implies time, and > > > > > > that > > > > > > there > > > > > > is no time actually involved. So, I'm also asking: how is there > > > > > > even an > > > > > > appearance or illusion of time in and through a timeless > > > > > > awareness > > > > > > that > > > > > > has > > > > > > no motive or intention to produce illusion. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > geo> To say that awareness has no motive or intention to produce > > > > > > illusion > > > > > > is > > > > > > quite questionable, is theoretical. Illusion or > > > > > > not-illusion....is > > > > > > not > > > > > > some > > > > > > absolute value. > > > > > > Are stars and constellations and a cup of coffee as illusional > > > > > > as > > > > > > the > > > > > > sense > > > > > > of a separate me? > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not express myself well. What I mean is motives or > > > > > > intention > > > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > absolute are unknowable to us - human beings. > > > > > > > > > > If you are not this absolute ... how can you know anything? > > > > > > > > > > How can you claim to know you are a human being? > > > > > > > > > > In the other hand obviously > > > > > > there is a certain - what some have tentatively call " law " - > > > > > > that > > > > > > permeates > > > > > > the universe otherwise we would not be here :>))). > > > > > > > > > > Again, unless you are this absolute - how can you determine > > > > > whether > > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > a here or not - and whether or not anyone is here? > > > > > > > > > > > After all our human > > > > > > world has trees and water falls and animals and lakes and not > > > > > > just > > > > > > volcanoes, lava, fetid suphurous air etc.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...ahhh...this is not easy to ponder upon.... > > > > > > > > > > You postulate an absolute. > > > > > > > > > > But unless you are this absolute - how can you know anything is > > > > > absolute? > > > > > > > > > > And if you are it ... to whom are you talking about it? > > > > > > > > > > Someone else? > > > > > > > > > > Something else? > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > None else. That is not what I mean (actualy I am having a hard > > > > > time > > > > > trying > > > > > to express this). What I mean is that there is a certain intention > > > > > emanating > > > > > from the absolute that knowledge can not touch in any way. The > > > > > intention > > > > > of > > > > > manifesting. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > > > An intention? No way. > > > > > > > > There is no place for any manifestation to have occurred, or to > > > > intend > > > > for > > > > one to happen. > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside. > > > > > > > > There isn't an outside. > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside?? No. This depth here is infinite > > > > in all > > > > nuances or manners or intents... Nothing a human mind can grasp. > > > > You did not get what I wanted to say...its OK > > > > -geo- > > > > > > I did. > > > > > > You did not get what I said. > > > > > > You want infinite depth that your human mind can say, " I don't grasp. " > > > > > > Your mind wants some kind of infinite depth with an intention that it > > > can't grasp, and wants to be involved with a " manifestation. " > > > > > > This means you want to have manifested. > > > > > > But nope - you haven't. > > > > > > Sorry to break the news to you. > > > > > > > > --------------------- > > > > > What your mind doesn't want is to not be able to be there, and to have > > > no value whatsoever, no infinite depth to ponder, no ponderer of it. > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > -Lene > > There's no such thing as a mind, or Mind. > > Never has been, never will be. > > It's an imaginary reference point. > > Mind what I say! > > - D - > > But there is a awareness or consciousness! Great....those words are really > more identical to IT. > PS - Imaginary - imagined by whom? Referenced by whom? Which is the word > that is better then mind? > -geo- Saliva. Everyone knows reality is produced by the salivary glands. Wake up! - Dan - Saliva is better then mind? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:28 PM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > > > -geo- > > > > > > You think death is boring? > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > It is what then? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Seems like a very silly question, from here. > > > > Both boredom and excitement are obviously ways to be (for a living being). > > > > Without the living being, all is just new. > > > > Even the movement from one letter to the next in this sentence is completely > > new, with each letter. > > -tim- > > > > That is what was implied in the word " marvelous " , I used - but dan did not > > like it. That was the beguining of the thread...And what a thread!!! > > -geo- > > > What a thread it was. > > What a week it was. > > What a year it was. > > What a life it was. Oh, what a night. Why'd it take so long to see the light? Seemed so wrong, but now it seems so right. What a lady, what a night! I felt a rush like a rolling bolt of thunder Spinnin' my head around and taking my body under. Oh, what a night! (Do, do, do, do, do. Do, do, do, do, do, do.) Oh, what a night! (Do, do, do, do, do. Do, do, do, do, do, do.) Oh, what a night! (Do, do, do, do, do. Do, do, do, do, do, do.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Tim G. > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:28 PM > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > > > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > You think death is boring? > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > It is what then? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Seems like a very silly question, from here. > > > > > > Both boredom and excitement are obviously ways to be (for a living being). > > > > > > Without the living being, all is just new. > > > > > > Even the movement from one letter to the next in this sentence is completely > > > new, with each letter. > > > -tim- > > > > > > That is what was implied in the word " marvelous " , I used - but dan did not > > > like it. That was the beguining of the thread...And what a thread!!! > > > -geo- > > > > > > What a thread it was. > > > > What a week it was. > > > > What a year it was. > > > > What a life it was. > > Oh, what a night. > Why'd it take so long to see the light? > Seemed so wrong, but now it seems so right. > What a lady, what a night! > > I felt a rush like a rolling bolt of thunder > Spinnin' my head around and taking my body under. > Oh, what a night! > (Do, do, do, do, do. Do, do, do, do, do, do.) > Oh, what a night! > (Do, do, do, do, do. Do, do, do, do, do, do.) > Oh, what a night! > (Do, do, do, do, do. Do, do, do, do, do, do.) when you have nothing of worth to say.. but you just NEED to say something..anything.. " Oh Dear Lord let them know I AM HERE " resort to song! :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:18 PM > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:50 PM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Tim G. > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:18 AM > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > > > > To > > > > the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > > > > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated > > > with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture > > > does > > > it have? > > > > > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a > > > physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . > > > -tim- > > > > > > No. She is not referring to a physical brain at all. But now......tell > > > us > > > its REAL name. > > > -geo- > > > > Yes, that's what I want to know. > > > > What is it really? > > > > Let's get on the same page here. > > > > Is it ... life, energy, death, stillness, awareness, nothing, being, > > no-thing, consciousness, love, now, all, totality, > > emptiness, tao, you, me, impersonal, personal ... > > > > Let's get it straight once and for all. > > > > In fact ... > > > > Let's take a poll! > > > > - Dan - > > > > Why not Mind? It can not be named anyway... > > So instead of saying there is no Mind....let us find out what lene means > > by > > Mind before excluding the word from the list of possible names to IT. > > -geo- > > Why do you assume there is something to be named? > > That is an unnecessary assumption. > > If you're concerned with finding out what Lene meant, why not address a post > to Lene and ask her what she meant? > > - D - > > No need. She said all there is is mind. > -geo- So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. And you call this " communicating " ? All righty then... - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:18 PM Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:50 PM > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:18 AM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > > > To > > > the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated > > with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture > > does > > it have? > > > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a > > physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . > > -tim- > > > > No. She is not referring to a physical brain at all. But now......tell > > us > > its REAL name. > > -geo- > > Yes, that's what I want to know. > > What is it really? > > Let's get on the same page here. > > Is it ... life, energy, death, stillness, awareness, nothing, being, > no-thing, consciousness, love, now, all, totality, > emptiness, tao, you, me, impersonal, personal ... > > Let's get it straight once and for all. > > In fact ... > > Let's take a poll! > > - Dan - > > Why not Mind? It can not be named anyway... > So instead of saying there is no Mind....let us find out what lene means > by > Mind before excluding the word from the list of possible names to IT. > -geo- Why do you assume there is something to be named? That is an unnecessary assumption. If you're concerned with finding out what Lene meant, why not address a post to Lene and ask her what she meant? - D - No need. She said all there is is mind. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:21 PM > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:30 PM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:41 PM > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:11 PM > > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Friday, January 08, 2010 8:49 PM > > > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that any " how " or " why " question implies time, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is no time actually involved. So, I'm also asking: how is > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > even an > > > > > > > > appearance or illusion of time in and through a timeless > > > > > > > > awareness > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > no motive or intention to produce illusion. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > geo> To say that awareness has no motive or intention to > > > > > > > > produce > > > > > > > > illusion > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > quite questionable, is theoretical. Illusion or > > > > > > > > not-illusion....is > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > absolute value. > > > > > > > > Are stars and constellations and a cup of coffee as illusional > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > of a separate me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not express myself well. What I mean is motives or > > > > > > > > intention > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > absolute are unknowable to us - human beings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are not this absolute ... how can you know anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can you claim to know you are a human being? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other hand obviously > > > > > > > > there is a certain - what some have tentatively call " law " - > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > permeates > > > > > > > > the universe otherwise we would not be here :>))). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, unless you are this absolute - how can you determine > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a here or not - and whether or not anyone is here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After all our human > > > > > > > > world has trees and water falls and animals and lakes and not > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > volcanoes, lava, fetid suphurous air etc.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...ahhh...this is not easy to ponder upon.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You postulate an absolute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But unless you are this absolute - how can you know anything is > > > > > > > absolute? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if you are it ... to whom are you talking about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone else? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something else? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None else. That is not what I mean (actualy I am having a hard > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > to express this). What I mean is that there is a certain > > > > > > > intention > > > > > > > emanating > > > > > > > from the absolute that knowledge can not touch in any way. The > > > > > > > intention > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > manifesting. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > > > > > > > An intention? No way. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no place for any manifestation to have occurred, or to > > > > > > intend > > > > > > for > > > > > > one to happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside. > > > > > > > > > > > > There isn't an outside. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside?? No. This depth here is > > > > > > infinite > > > > > > in all > > > > > > nuances or manners or intents... Nothing a human mind can grasp. > > > > > > You did not get what I wanted to say...its OK > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > I did. > > > > > > > > > > You did not get what I said. > > > > > > > > > > You want infinite depth that your human mind can say, " I don't > > > > > grasp. " > > > > > > > > > > Your mind wants some kind of infinite depth with an intention that > > > > > it > > > > > can't grasp, and wants to be involved with a " manifestation. " > > > > > > > > > > This means you want to have manifested. > > > > > > > > > > But nope - you haven't. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to break the news to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- > > > > > > > > > What your mind doesn't want is to not be able to be there, and to > > > > > have > > > > > no value whatsoever, no infinite depth to ponder, no ponderer of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > There's no such thing as a mind, or Mind. > > > > > > Never has been, never will be. > > > > > > It's an imaginary reference point. > > > > > > Mind what I say! > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > But there is a awareness or consciousness! Great....those words are > > > really > > > more identical to IT. > > > PS - Imaginary - imagined by whom? Referenced by whom? Which is the word > > > that is better then mind? > > > -geo- > > > > Saliva. > > > > Everyone knows reality is produced by the salivary glands. > > > > Wake up! > > > > - Dan - > > > > Saliva is better then mind? > > -geo- > > No. > > There isn't any single source or multiple source of reality. > > So, no concern to find a name for an " it " that doesn't exist. > -dan- > > Which it is that that doesnt exist? > -geo- Just give it up. There's no question here. > You say you are " more " than what you perceive. > -dan- > > yes > -geo- > > So, this is what you're endeavoring. > -dan- > > " Endeavoring " is an acreation of yours. It just is. What just is does not involve a portion that is less and a portion that is more. You're barking up a tree that isn't. > Looking for " more, " wanting to be " more, " wanting a name for this " more, " > wanting to say there's a " more " and it's unnameable, etc., etc. > > There is no " more " for you to be, get, name, or not be able to name. > > - Dan - > > Indeed. Looking for more is looking for more dellusion. There IS more then > the senses, no need to look for. > -geo- Anything you say or think, is sensed. Saying words about how there is what words can't say, reaches a limit. At that limit point, you can't say, and you can't not say. You can't know, and you can't not know. You can't be, and you can't not be. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:21 PM Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:30 PM > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:41 PM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:11 PM > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Friday, January 08, 2010 8:49 PM > > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that any " how " or " why " question implies time, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > is no time actually involved. So, I'm also asking: how is > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > even an > > > > > > > appearance or illusion of time in and through a timeless > > > > > > > awareness > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > no motive or intention to produce illusion. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > geo> To say that awareness has no motive or intention to > > > > > > > produce > > > > > > > illusion > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > quite questionable, is theoretical. Illusion or > > > > > > > not-illusion....is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > absolute value. > > > > > > > Are stars and constellations and a cup of coffee as illusional > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > of a separate me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not express myself well. What I mean is motives or > > > > > > > intention > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > absolute are unknowable to us - human beings. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are not this absolute ... how can you know anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > How can you claim to know you are a human being? > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other hand obviously > > > > > > > there is a certain - what some have tentatively call " law " - > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > permeates > > > > > > > the universe otherwise we would not be here :>))). > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, unless you are this absolute - how can you determine > > > > > > whether > > > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > a here or not - and whether or not anyone is here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > After all our human > > > > > > > world has trees and water falls and animals and lakes and not > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > volcanoes, lava, fetid suphurous air etc.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...ahhh...this is not easy to ponder upon.... > > > > > > > > > > > > You postulate an absolute. > > > > > > > > > > > > But unless you are this absolute - how can you know anything is > > > > > > absolute? > > > > > > > > > > > > And if you are it ... to whom are you talking about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone else? > > > > > > > > > > > > Something else? > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > None else. That is not what I mean (actualy I am having a hard > > > > > > time > > > > > > trying > > > > > > to express this). What I mean is that there is a certain > > > > > > intention > > > > > > emanating > > > > > > from the absolute that knowledge can not touch in any way. The > > > > > > intention > > > > > > of > > > > > > manifesting. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > > > > > An intention? No way. > > > > > > > > > > There is no place for any manifestation to have occurred, or to > > > > > intend > > > > > for > > > > > one to happen. > > > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside. > > > > > > > > > > There isn't an outside. > > > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside?? No. This depth here is > > > > > infinite > > > > > in all > > > > > nuances or manners or intents... Nothing a human mind can grasp. > > > > > You did not get what I wanted to say...its OK > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > I did. > > > > > > > > You did not get what I said. > > > > > > > > You want infinite depth that your human mind can say, " I don't > > > > grasp. " > > > > > > > > Your mind wants some kind of infinite depth with an intention that > > > > it > > > > can't grasp, and wants to be involved with a " manifestation. " > > > > > > > > This means you want to have manifested. > > > > > > > > But nope - you haven't. > > > > > > > > Sorry to break the news to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- > > > > > > > What your mind doesn't want is to not be able to be there, and to > > > > have > > > > no value whatsoever, no infinite depth to ponder, no ponderer of it. > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > -Lene > > > > There's no such thing as a mind, or Mind. > > > > Never has been, never will be. > > > > It's an imaginary reference point. > > > > Mind what I say! > > > > - D - > > > > But there is a awareness or consciousness! Great....those words are > > really > > more identical to IT. > > PS - Imaginary - imagined by whom? Referenced by whom? Which is the word > > that is better then mind? > > -geo- > > Saliva. > > Everyone knows reality is produced by the salivary glands. > > Wake up! > > - Dan - > > Saliva is better then mind? > -geo- No. There isn't any single source or multiple source of reality. So, no concern to find a name for an " it " that doesn't exist. -dan- Which it is that that doesnt exist? -geo- You say you are " more " than what you perceive. -dan- yes -geo- So, this is what you're endeavoring. -dan- " Endeavoring " is an acreation of yours. It just is. -geo- Looking for " more, " wanting to be " more, " wanting a name for this " more, " wanting to say there's a " more " and it's unnameable, etc., etc. There is no " more " for you to be, get, name, or not be able to name. - Dan - Indeed. Looking for more is looking for more dellusion. There IS more then the senses, no need to look for. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:18 PM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:50 PM > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Tim G. > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:18 AM > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > > > > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > > > > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > > > > > To > > > > > the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > > > > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated > > > > with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture > > > > does > > > > it have? > > > > > > > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a > > > > physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > No. She is not referring to a physical brain at all. But now......tell > > > > us > > > > its REAL name. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Yes, that's what I want to know. > > > > > > What is it really? > > > > > > Let's get on the same page here. > > > > > > Is it ... life, energy, death, stillness, awareness, nothing, being, > > > no-thing, consciousness, love, now, all, totality, > > > emptiness, tao, you, me, impersonal, personal ... > > > > > > Let's get it straight once and for all. > > > > > > In fact ... > > > > > > Let's take a poll! > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > Why not Mind? It can not be named anyway... > > > So instead of saying there is no Mind....let us find out what lene means > > > by > > > Mind before excluding the word from the list of possible names to IT. > > > -geo- > > > > Why do you assume there is something to be named? > > > > That is an unnecessary assumption. > > > > If you're concerned with finding out what Lene meant, why not address a post > > to Lene and ask her what she meant? > > > > - D - > > > > No need. She said all there is is mind. > > -geo- > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > All righty then... > > > - D - well why not and what the hell. you call putting words in peoples mouths.. as saying what they meant to say.. you call that communicating for chrissakes. he never said he didn't " want " to do or not do anything. where did you read that? he said there was no need. and when he said: " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " .. he was saying: " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " .. NOT saying that he wanted to do something that he didn't want to do. that kind of twisted bullshit of yours needs a walk dabbo. All no righty nor wrongy then or now and forever. why do you always think there is a right or wrong.. and that you know what the right is? you just don't get this. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:21 PM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:30 PM > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:41 PM > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:11 PM > > > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Friday, January 08, 2010 8:49 PM > > > > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that any " how " or " why " question implies time, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is no time actually involved. So, I'm also asking: how is > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > even an > > > > > > > > > appearance or illusion of time in and through a timeless > > > > > > > > > awareness > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > no motive or intention to produce illusion. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > geo> To say that awareness has no motive or intention to > > > > > > > > > produce > > > > > > > > > illusion > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > quite questionable, is theoretical. Illusion or > > > > > > > > > not-illusion....is > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > absolute value. > > > > > > > > > Are stars and constellations and a cup of coffee as illusional > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > > of a separate me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not express myself well. What I mean is motives or > > > > > > > > > intention > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > absolute are unknowable to us - human beings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are not this absolute ... how can you know anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can you claim to know you are a human being? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other hand obviously > > > > > > > > > there is a certain - what some have tentatively call " law " - > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > permeates > > > > > > > > > the universe otherwise we would not be here :>))). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, unless you are this absolute - how can you determine > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > a here or not - and whether or not anyone is here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After all our human > > > > > > > > > world has trees and water falls and animals and lakes and not > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > volcanoes, lava, fetid suphurous air etc.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...ahhh...this is not easy to ponder upon.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You postulate an absolute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But unless you are this absolute - how can you know anything is > > > > > > > > absolute? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if you are it ... to whom are you talking about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone else? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something else? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None else. That is not what I mean (actualy I am having a hard > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > to express this). What I mean is that there is a certain > > > > > > > > intention > > > > > > > > emanating > > > > > > > > from the absolute that knowledge can not touch in any way. The > > > > > > > > intention > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > manifesting. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An intention? No way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no place for any manifestation to have occurred, or to > > > > > > > intend > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > one to happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There isn't an outside. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside?? No. This depth here is > > > > > > > infinite > > > > > > > in all > > > > > > > nuances or manners or intents... Nothing a human mind can grasp. > > > > > > > You did not get what I wanted to say...its OK > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > I did. > > > > > > > > > > > > You did not get what I said. > > > > > > > > > > > > You want infinite depth that your human mind can say, " I don't > > > > > > grasp. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Your mind wants some kind of infinite depth with an intention that > > > > > > it > > > > > > can't grasp, and wants to be involved with a " manifestation. " > > > > > > > > > > > > This means you want to have manifested. > > > > > > > > > > > > But nope - you haven't. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to break the news to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > What your mind doesn't want is to not be able to be there, and to > > > > > > have > > > > > > no value whatsoever, no infinite depth to ponder, no ponderer of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > There's no such thing as a mind, or Mind. > > > > > > > > Never has been, never will be. > > > > > > > > It's an imaginary reference point. > > > > > > > > Mind what I say! > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > But there is a awareness or consciousness! Great....those words are > > > > really > > > > more identical to IT. > > > > PS - Imaginary - imagined by whom? Referenced by whom? Which is the word > > > > that is better then mind? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Saliva. > > > > > > Everyone knows reality is produced by the salivary glands. > > > > > > Wake up! > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > Saliva is better then mind? > > > -geo- > > > > No. > > > > There isn't any single source or multiple source of reality. > > > > So, no concern to find a name for an " it " that doesn't exist. > > -dan- > > > > Which it is that that doesnt exist? > > -geo- > > Just give it up. > > There's no question here. > > > You say you are " more " than what you perceive. > > -dan- > > > > yes > > -geo- > > > > So, this is what you're endeavoring. > > -dan- > > > > " Endeavoring " is an acreation of yours. It just is. > > What just is does not involve a portion that is less and a portion that is more. > > You're barking up a tree that isn't. > > > Looking for " more, " wanting to be " more, " wanting a name for this " more, " > > wanting to say there's a " more " and it's unnameable, etc., etc. > > > > There is no " more " for you to be, get, name, or not be able to name. > > > > - Dan - > > > > Indeed. Looking for more is looking for more dellusion. There IS more then > > the senses, no need to look for. > > -geo- > > Anything you say or think, is sensed. > > Saying words about how there is what words can't say, reaches a limit. > > At that limit point, you can't say, and you can't not say. > > You can't know, and you can't not know. > > You can't be, and you can't not be. > > - D - maybe someone is barking up a tree that isn't. but dabbo's pissing all over the place. better get your aim on dabbo dog. or you won't get your puppy chow. mmmmmmmmmm!.. fresh killed kibble! :-) ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:18 PM > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:50 PM > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:18 AM > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > > > > > > To > > > > > > the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated > > > > > with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture > > > > > does > > > > > it have? > > > > > > > > > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a > > > > > physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > No. She is not referring to a physical brain at all. But now......tell > > > > > us > > > > > its REAL name. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Yes, that's what I want to know. > > > > > > > > What is it really? > > > > > > > > Let's get on the same page here. > > > > > > > > Is it ... life, energy, death, stillness, awareness, nothing, being, > > > > no-thing, consciousness, love, now, all, totality, > > > > emptiness, tao, you, me, impersonal, personal ... > > > > > > > > Let's get it straight once and for all. > > > > > > > > In fact ... > > > > > > > > Let's take a poll! > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > Why not Mind? It can not be named anyway... > > > > So instead of saying there is no Mind....let us find out what lene means > > > > by > > > > Mind before excluding the word from the list of possible names to IT. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Why do you assume there is something to be named? > > > > > > That is an unnecessary assumption. > > > > > > If you're concerned with finding out what Lene meant, why not address a post > > > to Lene and ask her what she meant? > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > No need. She said all there is is mind. > > > -geo- > > > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > > > All righty then... > > > > > > - D - > > > well why not and what the hell. > > you call putting words in peoples mouths.. > > as saying what they meant to say.. > > you call that communicating for chrissakes. > > he never said he didn't " want " to do or not do anything. > > where did you read that? > > he said there was no need. > > and when he said: > > " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " .. > > he was saying: > > " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " .. > > NOT saying that he wanted to do something that he didn't want to do. > > that kind of twisted bullshit of yours needs a walk dabbo. > > All no righty nor wrongy then or now and forever. > > why do you always think there is a right or wrong.. > > and that you know what the right is? > > you just don't get this. > > .b b.b. there isn't any separable " me " to get any of this. silly stuff to post, over and over, talking about " me's " and " you's " who get and don't get. it doesn't matter how many times this is pointed out, the posts continue on and on in the same pattern, the same theme, over and over and over. compulsive. the " me " activity - that's all it is. repetition compulsion. - d - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > Good morning! A toast with strawberry jam? Tea or coffee? > -geo- Tea, please. The Darjeeling, just a bit of sugar and cream. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:42 PM > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:18 PM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:50 PM > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Tim G. > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:18 AM > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > > > > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > > > > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the > > > > > floor? > > > > > To > > > > > the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > > > > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture > > > > associated > > > > with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture > > > > does > > > > it have? > > > > > > > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is > > > > a > > > > physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > No. She is not referring to a physical brain at all. But now......tell > > > > us > > > > its REAL name. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Yes, that's what I want to know. > > > > > > What is it really? > > > > > > Let's get on the same page here. > > > > > > Is it ... life, energy, death, stillness, awareness, nothing, being, > > > no-thing, consciousness, love, now, all, totality, > > > emptiness, tao, you, me, impersonal, personal ... > > > > > > Let's get it straight once and for all. > > > > > > In fact ... > > > > > > Let's take a poll! > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > Why not Mind? It can not be named anyway... > > > So instead of saying there is no Mind....let us find out what lene means > > > by > > > Mind before excluding the word from the list of possible names to IT. > > > -geo- > > > > Why do you assume there is something to be named? > > > > That is an unnecessary assumption. > > > > If you're concerned with finding out what Lene meant, why not address a > > post > > to Lene and ask her what she meant? > > > > - D - > > > > No need. She said all there is is mind. > > -geo- > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were > saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > All righty then... > > - D - > > No. You said " Hi, Lene... I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . Where > should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? Ain't no such > thingie. Mind is a myth. " . Remember? > > I understood what she meant, but you did not, that is why I addressed my > post to you - . So.... and the story goes on, I suggested asking what she > meant. But her understanding seems to be partial though.... I am inclined to > believe lene thinks all there is is one movement " as manifestation " , as > consciousness. But the unmanifested rock is also fact. The manifested is > streams of smoke on the non manifested Are we communicating? > -geo- Sure we are. By the way, I understood my post as an understanding of what she understood. You understood my post as not understanding what she understood, which she may understand, but not fully understand. Yet, none of us understand. Nor do we not understand. Understood? (Don't answer, not important) ... -- D -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > Good morning! A toast with strawberry jam? Tea or coffee? > > -geo- > > Tea, please. > > The Darjeeling, just a bit of sugar and cream. > > - D - > Darjeeling, Darling. Sugar please, sweetie. And some cream, you gooey softy, you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:18 PM > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:50 PM > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:18 AM > > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > > > > > > > To > > > > > > > the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated > > > > > > with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture > > > > > > does > > > > > > it have? > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a > > > > > > physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > No. She is not referring to a physical brain at all. But now......tell > > > > > > us > > > > > > its REAL name. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that's what I want to know. > > > > > > > > > > What is it really? > > > > > > > > > > Let's get on the same page here. > > > > > > > > > > Is it ... life, energy, death, stillness, awareness, nothing, being, > > > > > no-thing, consciousness, love, now, all, totality, > > > > > emptiness, tao, you, me, impersonal, personal ... > > > > > > > > > > Let's get it straight once and for all. > > > > > > > > > > In fact ... > > > > > > > > > > Let's take a poll! > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > Why not Mind? It can not be named anyway... > > > > > So instead of saying there is no Mind....let us find out what lene means > > > > > by > > > > > Mind before excluding the word from the list of possible names to IT. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Why do you assume there is something to be named? > > > > > > > > That is an unnecessary assumption. > > > > > > > > If you're concerned with finding out what Lene meant, why not address a post > > > > to Lene and ask her what she meant? > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > No need. She said all there is is mind. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > > > > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > > > > > All righty then... > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > well why not and what the hell. > > > > you call putting words in peoples mouths.. > > > > as saying what they meant to say.. > > > > you call that communicating for chrissakes. > > > > he never said he didn't " want " to do or not do anything. > > > > where did you read that? > > > > he said there was no need. > > > > and when he said: > > > > " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " .. > > > > he was saying: > > > > " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " .. > > > > NOT saying that he wanted to do something that he didn't want to do. > > > > that kind of twisted bullshit of yours needs a walk dabbo. > > > > All no righty nor wrongy then or now and forever. > > > > why do you always think there is a right or wrong.. > > > > and that you know what the right is? > > > > you just don't get this. > > > > .b b.b. > > there isn't any separable " me " to get any of this. > > silly stuff to post, over and over, talking about " me's " and " you's " who get and don't get. > > it doesn't matter how many times this is pointed out, the posts continue on and on in the same pattern, the same theme, over and over and over. > > compulsive. > > the " me " activity - that's all it is. > > repetition compulsion. > > > - d - LOL! and you're pretty much compulsively defending that crap. why if there's no " me " or " you " .. do you bother with sending posts to everyone OR anyone? your justificatory nonsense is almost excusatory... like how you " can't explain this " a sort of en garde mental attitude.. which claims that it is without attitude... because there isn't anyone there to " have " an attitude. astonishingly.. (even though there's no one to be astonished..AMAZING STUFF this).. that " no one " never tires of telling all how it's not. yet not not too. it doesn't matter i guess but it's full of energy.. or as my uncles used to say.. " piss and vinegar " . and yet beyond that.. that Mr. Nobody still thinks itself to be sweet. and s/he NEEDS to tell ya (over and over)how " it's " all.. " repetition compulsion. " and always smiles and says: Blessings and Understanding and Peace and.. Please SEE and Adore my " ME " ness as the Allness I AM! unlike the " me " activity - that's all " you " iz. heeheeheeeeee! you're fun dabbo. loveya! :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were > saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > All righty then... > > - D - > > No. You said " Hi, Lene... I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . Where > should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? Ain't no such > thingie. Mind is a myth. " . Remember? Actually, I said that, not Dan. But Dan is me, and I'm Dan. So, never mind. What Tim says, is what Dan says. What Dan says, is what Tim says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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