Was JK stuck? /Lene

January 16, 2010

Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote:

>

> I spent quite a few (read: many) hours online myself. It does

> however not only take time to write - it takes much more time

> to read, and try to understand, what the people are trying to

> convey

Yes, if you have to " think about it " ... it does take time!

" Thinking " aspect often takes more time than reading or writing and how much

time it takes might depend on how much you have to " think " and how slow you 'get

it'.

For example, I still don't get much of quantum physics.

However, much of this talk about this " nothing " , I know it to be verifiable be

an unfortunate error which many gets fascinated with and find it very 'glorious'

and 'special' and are ready to spend their life talking about it. However, I

also know that I might not be able to change it in spite of my intent and

effort. Just like I might not be able to change millions of Muslims, Christians,

Hindus from believing what they believe in, in spite of my intent and effort.

I suspect far too many people fall in love with this 'nothingness' and start

clinging to it as something very special and sacred... even, ultimate! I suspect

very, very few dare to let go of this specialness and become ready to become

'ordinary' again. Only those who dare to do so... " discover " it again, but,

those I suspect are very, very, very few! Who wants to be 'ordinary'. I wouldn't

be surprised if that is where Werner's guru JK remained stuck too...

irrespective how big a brain he had. I suspect that the need of his 'ego' was

bigger than his intellect and brain.

With warm regards,

ac

> That is the time I don't have so much of although I

> have all the time in the world and is free to do what I like.

>

> -Lene

>

> Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hey John,

> > >

> > > I do not know, how people find the time to post so much.

> >

> > I don't think that is such a great mystery. Many people have lot of time to

watch TV, surf Internet, watch pornography, play cards. Everybody in the world

is not that super busy producing all the time. A large number of the jobs don't

require people to remain focussed and " working " all the time. I have a family,

I have a full-time job, I watch sports, I watch TV, I watch movies, I do stock

trading, I talk to friends and still, I have lot of time left.

> >

> > Many might be retired. Many might live alone. Many might not lack time only

question might be how to spend it. Witting on an online forum is certainly not

the worst way to spend time.

> >

> > regards,

> > ac

> >

>

January 16, 2010

Yes, if you have to "think about it"... it does take time!"Thinking" aspect often takes more time than reading or writing and how much time it takes might depend on how much you have to "think" and how slow you 'get it'.For example, I still don't get much of quantum physics.However, much of this talk about this "nothing", I know it to be verifiable be an unfortunate error which many gets fascinated with and find it very 'glorious' and 'special' and are ready to spend their life talking about it. However, I also know that I might not be able to change it in spite of my intent and effort. Just like I might not be able to change millions of Muslims, Christians, Hindus from believing what they believe in, in spite of my intent and effort.I suspect far too many people fall in love with this 'nothingness' and start clinging to it as something very special and sacred... even, ultimate! I suspect very, very few dare to let go of this specialness and become ready to become 'ordinary' again. Only those who dare to do so... "discover" it again, but, those I suspect are very, very, very few! Who wants to be 'ordinary'. I wouldn't be surprised if that is where Werner's guru JK remained stuck too... irrespective how big a brain he had. I suspect that the need of his 'ego' was bigger than his intellect and brain.With warm regards,acPlain nonesense.

-geo-

January 17, 2010

[...]

>

> Plain nonesense.

> -geo-

>

Would you like to elaborate?

ac

January 17, 2010

[...]

>

> geo> Change the world? First change yourself.

Sure.

>

> " ...where JK remained stuck too... irrespective how big a brain he had. I

> suspect that the need of his 'ego' was bigger than his intellect and brain. "

>

> geo> JK remained stuck? That is what you think?

These are only two things you find objectionable?

ac

January 17, 2010

Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote:

>

> [...]

>

> >

> > Plain nonesense.

> > -geo-

> >

>

> Would you like to elaborate?

>

> ac

geoparado prefers dressed up nonsense..spelled " nonesense " .

plain nonsense disturbs him.

he believes that " nothing " must has " sense " involved.

and he'll have nothing to do with the nonsense...

that is the actual prevailing ambient within nothing.

he's hasn't exactly joined the dark side..

he has joined forces with a pal and become a member of the lite side.

geoparado is now a fellow space cadet with dabbo.

let's let them tell you all about it.

:-)

..b b.b.

January 17, 2010

However, much of this talk about this " nothing " , I know it to be verifiable

be an unfortunate error which many gets fascinated with and find it very

'glorious' and 'special' and are ready to spend their life talking about it.

However, I also know that I might not be able to change it in spite of my

intent and effort. Just like I might not be able to change millions of

Muslims, Christians, Hindus from believing what they believe in, in spite of

my intent and effort.

I suspect far too many people fall in love with this 'nothingness' and start

clinging to it as something very special and sacred... even, ultimate! I

suspect very, very few dare to let go of this specialness and become ready

to become 'ordinary' again. Only those who dare to do so... " discover " it

again, but, those I suspect are very, very, very few! Who wants to be

'ordinary'. I wouldn't be surprised if that is where Werner's guru JK

remained stuck too... irrespective how big a brain he had. I suspect that

the need of his 'ego' was bigger than his intellect and brain.

With warm regards,

ac

Plain nonesense.

-geo-

Would you like to elaborate?

ac

" I also know that I might not be able to change it in spite of my intent and

effort. Just like I might not be able to change millions of Muslims,

Christians, Hindus from believing what they believe in, in spite of my

intent and effort. "

geo> Change the world? First change yourself.

" ...where JK remained stuck too... irrespective how big a brain he had. I

suspect that the need of his 'ego' was bigger than his intellect and brain. "

geo> JK remained stuck? That is what you think?

January 18, 2010

Since I am going nowhere with Geo today because he is not Pete

and him I already have been everywhere with I might just swell

have a go at you - and we will see - if K was stuck or not

Before read your message would like to say, that the teachings

is a sort of unsolved mystery to me - I am not quite sure what

is the idea with them, although I have had many a conversation

with the dead man himself about " the rest of it "

I may be totally wrong but as I see his philosophy it is about

a transformation of the mind, which is a spitting out flawless

humbees (human beings) of the tube. They go in filthy and full

of self-contradiction, living in conflict - and come out clean

at the end of the day.

The transformation does not come about thru striving for to be

come - a flawless humbee - only through understanding that one

is not a such -- and the premise is of course that we all want

to be flawless human beings, living in peace and harmony until

the neverending story - but is that anticipation in accordance

with the truth? My answer is yes and no.

(I have not planned to say any of this aforehand.)

But then he preached in the hippie flower-power days where all

the little, idiot hypocrites in the West, this is to say would

-be-lovers, would-live-in-harmoniers, all the little wannabees

buzzed off to the East to find the light cannot be blown out.

And in the East things were not much better; they were lost in

religion and poverty and beliefs aso, just like the Westenders.

(I misspell English on purpose and play around with it because

I do not speak the language; there is also quite a lot of bear

in it which is the lingo spoken inbetween bears and goldilock)

So - do I understand the man? Bingo!

Was he stuck? No. What he correct in stating we're hypocrites

and corrupt " and the rest of it " ? Yes.

Has he been succesful & had us all transformed via the truth?

Course not. Guess most of the world's population has not even

heard of him. So.

Is it even true that understanding one is full of flaws has a

transformation of the mind come about?

Unless its true his house falls like one made o cards and the

teachings may be dumped and forgotten about.

Because of all these questions unanswered have I come to this

group to at least have a good laugh - Krishnamurtians are not

good laughs - in general. One has to be on ones tip-toes when

around them; never knows from which direction the next attack

will come - if ever - it is a very tricky affair to be around

K-ites -- I have seen much and heard much - and said much too

and

because I have realised that existance is empty of content and

find it sort of a waste to keep discussing K and his teachings

in detail, and yet I keep close to my K-friends - would not be

without out them.

I wonder, was/is it the way K helped me negate everything that

he called the false - which had me realise that I do not exist

- that existance is a phantom - no content whatsoever - was it

the negation-trick that did it for me? If yes - I cannot thank

him enough for doing me that favour. But the thing is I do not

know what did it -- I do not even know if it is done. It could

be my own words - own thinking - own -- finding out that there

is no own -- no owner -- only stuff happening - by itself - on

its own (ROFLOL) accord.

And now I will read your message - finally

-Lene

Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> >

> > I spent quite a few (read: many) hours online myself. It does

> > however not only take time to write - it takes much more time

> > to read, and try to understand, what the people are trying to

> > convey

>

> Yes, if you have to " think about it " ... it does take time!

>

> " Thinking " aspect often takes more time than reading or writing and how much

time it takes might depend on how much you have to " think " and how slow you 'get

it'.

>

> For example, I still don't get much of quantum physics.

>

> However, much of this talk about this " nothing " , I know it to be verifiable be

an unfortunate error which many gets fascinated with and find it very 'glorious'

and 'special' and are ready to spend their life talking about it. However, I

also know that I might not be able to change it in spite of my intent and

effort. Just like I might not be able to change millions of Muslims, Christians,

Hindus from believing what they believe in, in spite of my intent and effort.

>

> I suspect far too many people fall in love with this 'nothingness' and start

clinging to it as something very special and sacred... even, ultimate! I suspect

very, very few dare to let go of this specialness and become ready to become

'ordinary' again. Only those who dare to do so... " discover " it again, but,

those I suspect are very, very, very few! Who wants to be 'ordinary'. I wouldn't

be surprised if that is where Werner's guru JK remained stuck too...

irrespective how big a brain he had. I suspect that the need of his 'ego' was

bigger than his intellect and brain.

>

> With warm regards,

> ac

>

> > That is the time I don't have so much of although I

> > have all the time in the world and is free to do what I like.

> >

> > -Lene

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hey John,

> > > >

> > > > I do not know, how people find the time to post so much.

> > >

> > > I don't think that is such a great mystery. Many people have lot of time

to watch TV, surf Internet, watch pornography, play cards. Everybody in the

world is not that super busy producing all the time. A large number of the jobs

don't require people to remain focussed and " working " all the time. I have a

family, I have a full-time job, I watch sports, I watch TV, I watch movies, I do

stock trading, I talk to friends and still, I have lot of time left.

> > >

> > > Many might be retired. Many might live alone. Many might not lack time

only question might be how to spend it. Witting on an online forum is certainly

not the worst way to spend time.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > ac

> > >

> >

>

January 18, 2010

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> Lene

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, January 18, 2010 8:03 AM

> Re: Was JK stuck? /Lene

>

> Since I am going nowhere with Geo today because he is not Pete

> and him I already have been everywhere with I might just swell

> have a go at you - and we will see - if K was stuck or not

>

> Before read your message would like to say, that the teachings

> is a sort of unsolved mystery to me - I am not quite sure what

> is the idea with them, although I have had many a conversation

> with the dead man himself about " the rest of it "

>

> I may be totally wrong but as I see his philosophy it is about

> a transformation of the mind, which is a spitting out flawless

> humbees (human beings) of the tube. They go in filthy and full

> of self-contradiction, living in conflict - and come out clean

> at the end of the day.

>

> The transformation does not come about thru striving for to be

> come - a flawless humbee - only through understanding that one

> is not a such -- and the premise is of course that we all want

> to be flawless human beings, living in peace and harmony until

> the neverending story - but is that anticipation in accordance

> with the truth? My answer is yes and no.

>

> (I have not planned to say any of this aforehand.)

>

> But then he preached in the hippie flower-power days where all

> the little, idiot hypocrites in the West, this is to say would

> -be-lovers, would-live-in-harmoniers, all the little wannabees

> buzzed off to the East to find the light cannot be blown out.

>

> And in the East things were not much better; they were lost in

> religion and poverty and beliefs aso, just like the Westenders.

>

> (I misspell English on purpose and play around with it because

> I do not speak the language; there is also quite a lot of bear

> in it which is the lingo spoken inbetween bears and goldilock)

>

> So - do I understand the man? Bingo!

>

> Was he stuck? No. What he correct in stating we're hypocrites

> and corrupt " and the rest of it " ? Yes.

>

> Has he been succesful & had us all transformed via the truth?

> Course not. Guess most of the world's population has not even

> heard of him. So.

>

> Is it even true that understanding one is full of flaws has a

> transformation of the mind come about?

>

> Unless its true his house falls like one made o cards and the

> teachings may be dumped and forgotten about.

>

> Because of all these questions unanswered have I come to this

> group to at least have a good laugh - Krishnamurtians are not

> good laughs - in general. One has to be on ones tip-toes when

> around them; never knows from which direction the next attack

> will come - if ever - it is a very tricky affair to be around

> K-ites -- I have seen much and heard much - and said much too

>

> and

>

> because I have realised that existance is empty of content and

> find it sort of a waste to keep discussing K and his teachings

> in detail, and yet I keep close to my K-friends - would not be

> without out them.

>

> I wonder, was/is it the way K helped me negate everything that

> he called the false - which had me realise that I do not exist

> - that existance is a phantom - no content whatsoever - was it

> the negation-trick that did it for me? If yes - I cannot thank

> him enough for doing me that favour. But the thing is I do not

> know what did it -- I do not even know if it is done. It could

> be my own words - own thinking - own -- finding out that there

> is no own -- no owner -- only stuff happening - by itself - on

> its own (ROFLOL) accord.

>

> And now I will read your message - finally

>

> -Lene

>

> LOL LOL LOL

> Does it matter? First...last...before...after....all end up in the same.

>

> PS - Let us not confuse K-ians (a pain in the a...) with the non-message K

> left. The problem I see with K-ians is that they focus completely upon the

> false, analyse it, strech it, shrink it, twist it, make love with it.....so

> its not surprising they cant get rid of it....LOL

> -geo-

there is no such thing as the " false " ..nor the " true " .

there's nothing to get rid of except..

the stupid notion that there's something to get rid of.

ROFLMAO!

..b b.b.

January 18, 2010

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> BobN

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, January 18, 2010 8:49 AM

> Re: Was JK stuck? /Lene

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > Lene

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, January 18, 2010 8:03 AM

> > Re: Was JK stuck? /Lene

> >

> > Since I am going nowhere with Geo today because he is not Pete

> > and him I already have been everywhere with I might just swell

> > have a go at you - and we will see - if K was stuck or not

> >

> > Before read your message would like to say, that the teachings

> > is a sort of unsolved mystery to me - I am not quite sure what

> > is the idea with them, although I have had many a conversation

> > with the dead man himself about " the rest of it "

> >

> > I may be totally wrong but as I see his philosophy it is about

> > a transformation of the mind, which is a spitting out flawless

> > humbees (human beings) of the tube. They go in filthy and full

> > of self-contradiction, living in conflict - and come out clean

> > at the end of the day.

> >

> > The transformation does not come about thru striving for to be

> > come - a flawless humbee - only through understanding that one

> > is not a such -- and the premise is of course that we all want

> > to be flawless human beings, living in peace and harmony until

> > the neverending story - but is that anticipation in accordance

> > with the truth? My answer is yes and no.

> >

> > (I have not planned to say any of this aforehand.)

> >

> > But then he preached in the hippie flower-power days where all

> > the little, idiot hypocrites in the West, this is to say would

> > -be-lovers, would-live-in-harmoniers, all the little wannabees

> > buzzed off to the East to find the light cannot be blown out.

> >

> > And in the East things were not much better; they were lost in

> > religion and poverty and beliefs aso, just like the Westenders.

> >

> > (I misspell English on purpose and play around with it because

> > I do not speak the language; there is also quite a lot of bear

> > in it which is the lingo spoken inbetween bears and goldilock)

> >

> > So - do I understand the man? Bingo!

> >

> > Was he stuck? No. What he correct in stating we're hypocrites

> > and corrupt " and the rest of it " ? Yes.

> >

> > Has he been succesful & had us all transformed via the truth?

> > Course not. Guess most of the world's population has not even

> > heard of him. So.

> >

> > Is it even true that understanding one is full of flaws has a

> > transformation of the mind come about?

> >

> > Unless its true his house falls like one made o cards and the

> > teachings may be dumped and forgotten about.

> >

> > Because of all these questions unanswered have I come to this

> > group to at least have a good laugh - Krishnamurtians are not

> > good laughs - in general. One has to be on ones tip-toes when

> > around them; never knows from which direction the next attack

> > will come - if ever - it is a very tricky affair to be around

> > K-ites -- I have seen much and heard much - and said much too

> >

> > and

> >

> > because I have realised that existance is empty of content and

> > find it sort of a waste to keep discussing K and his teachings

> > in detail, and yet I keep close to my K-friends - would not be

> > without out them.

> >

> > I wonder, was/is it the way K helped me negate everything that

> > he called the false - which had me realise that I do not exist

> > - that existance is a phantom - no content whatsoever - was it

> > the negation-trick that did it for me? If yes - I cannot thank

> > him enough for doing me that favour. But the thing is I do not

> > know what did it -- I do not even know if it is done. It could

> > be my own words - own thinking - own -- finding out that there

> > is no own -- no owner -- only stuff happening - by itself - on

> > its own (ROFLOL) accord.

> >

> > And now I will read your message - finally

> >

> > -Lene

> >

> > LOL LOL LOL

> > Does it matter? First...last...before...after....all end up in the same.

> >

> > PS - Let us not confuse K-ians (a pain in the a...) with the non-message K

> > left. The problem I see with K-ians is that they focus completely upon the

> > false, analyse it, strech it, shrink it, twist it, make love with

> > it.....so

> > its not surprising they cant get rid of it....LOL

> > -geo-

>

> there is no such thing as the " false " ..nor the " true " .

>

> there's nothing to get rid of except..

>

> the stupid notion that there's something to get rid of.

>

> ROFLMAO!

>

> .b b.b.

>

> Of course! but if you focus on anything believing it is false, or is some

> kind of an impediment, keep staring at the imaginary thing...you give it

> power.

> -geo-

" power " ????

hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa!

ok Power Ranger..

you must be one of those " Men Who Stare At Goats " .

LOL!

great funny flick and Clooney was the best..

but geoparado..

for cryin' out loud lad...wake up!

:-)

..b b.b.

January 18, 2010

> And now I will read your message - finally

>

> -Lene

Done.

> Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I spent quite a few (read: many) hours online myself. It does

> > > however not only take time to write - it takes much more time

> > > to read, and try to understand, what the people are trying to

> > > convey

> >

> > Yes, if you have to " think about it " ... it does take time!

> >

> > " Thinking " aspect often takes more time than reading or writing and how much

time it takes might depend on how much you have to " think " and how slow you 'get

it'.

> >

> > For example, I still don't get much of quantum physics.

Lol -- me neither. What I get is that there is nothing to get.

Dont I always wind up with this nothing? What is an electron?

What is energy? What is wind? What is water? What is CO2? What

is Chevy? What is Chase? What is 2CV? What is quantum physics?

> > However, much of this talk about this " nothing " , I know it to be verifiable

be an unfortunate error which many gets fascinated with and find it very

'glorious' and 'special' and are ready to spend their life talking about it.

Disagreed - except: talking about it won't reveal it (nothing)

unless as you're talking about it - the silence, the emptiness

of the talking - is just as clear as the futile talking itself.

Yes - talking is futile - everything is futile - everything is

without substance. The emptiness of existance (everything) can

only be verified through everything's negating itself same way

an onion is peeled - remove one layer after the other and wind

up with no onion. " Hey darling - what's for dinner tonight?

We have no bananas - we have no onions - do we even exist? "

> > However, I also know that I might not be able to change it

It? What? What it? May I remind you, that we are talking about

nothing Change - nothing? See below.

> > in spite of my intent and effort. Just like I might not be able to change

millions of Muslims, Christians, Hindus from believing what they believe in, in

spite of my intent and effort.

It is not until it is clear, that there is nothing to change

that there is this peace which everybody talks about.

Can you change the past/bygones? No. Can you change the future

/not yet come? No. What then can you change? The now?

> > I suspect far too many people fall in love with this 'nothingness' and start

clinging to it as something very special and sacred... even, ultimate!

Well well - you can not cling to nothing - but you can cling

to the idea of nothing - and still be something in the sense

that you believe there is something to get rid of.

> > I suspect very, very few dare to let go of this specialness and become ready

to become 'ordinary' again.

Understood. Agreed. I found out for instance that the only way

for me to be around K-folks, any folks actually - is to simply

be me - by which I mean ordinary, common, simple, straightfor-

ward and - most important, knowing when to shut up and when to

speak and when speaking being aware of what is being said. For

instance, concerning the current war against Muslims - I speak

on behalf of the Muslims against the common opinion -- because

one cant chase these people around as were they cattle wearing

bombs around their necks instead of bells. It's disgusting! So

- am I being common - or what? Heh heh - judgmental - that for

sure I am - and so the answer is: yes, I am quite ordinary and

just like everybody else. And worst - every time I meet one of

" them " on the bus or the metro - I watch out -- because a fear

has been planted in me, become part of me.

But we were talking about nothing - or? LOL

> > Only those who dare to do so... " discover " it again, but, those I suspect

are very, very, very few!

A few of us ahem ahem ahem is better than not a few of us, ahem

ahem ahem or what not? ahem ahem, cough, cough, achoo, aaachoo!

Mmmmm .... )) gig snytob dsy ojljj?

> > Who wants to be 'ordinary'. I wouldn't be surprised if that is where

Werner's guru JK remained stuck too... irrespective how big a brain he had.

LOL - did you measure it - ha ha ha ha ha ha ))

> I suspect that the need of his 'ego' was bigger than his intellect and brain.

Heh, I don't know but I found it amusing to hear him say every

time the audience laughed at something he said: Pneasa, do not

laugha - it is not funnya - this is averyaserious matter Sirs!

And - by JOVE - they shut up! How could they? He shamed them -

and they looked like little school kids - having been told off

by the schoolmaster! I would not have lasted one day in his co

I was raised by school-masters, yew.

I am very glad that I only have his spirit to talk to and with

(heh - especially TO of course - the with is but an idea in my

beautiful little head - how many times have I told him off and

shown him who is wearing the pants here and in return he would

dump a diamond or two into my turban) - and that it has always

been that way. I am full of contempt as far as guruism and non

guruism is concerned and only nobody who has nothing to report

will I allow to tell me.

Where were the ladies by the way? In the kitchen preparing his

egobath. Heh. Nomore. As much as I love K, enough is enough

> > With warm regards,

With love

-Lene

January 18, 2010

-

Lene

Nisargadatta

Monday, January 18, 2010 8:03 AM

Re: Was JK stuck? /Lene