Was JK stuck?

January 18, 2010

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geo

Nisargadatta

Monday, January 18, 2010 9:43 AM

Re: Re: Was JK stuck? /Lene

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Lene

Nisargadatta

Monday, January 18, 2010 8:03 AM

Re: Was JK stuck? /Lene

Since I am going nowhere with Geo today because he is not Pete

and him I already have been everywhere with I might just swell

have a go at you - and we will see - if K was stuck or not

Before read your message would like to say, that the teachings

is a sort of unsolved mystery to me - I am not quite sure what

is the idea with them, although I have had many a conversation

with the dead man himself about " the rest of it "

I may be totally wrong but as I see his philosophy it is about

a transformation of the mind, which is a spitting out flawless

humbees (human beings) of the tube. They go in filthy and full

of self-contradiction, living in conflict - and come out clean

at the end of the day.

The transformation does not come about thru striving for to be

come - a flawless humbee - only through understanding that one

is not a such -- and the premise is of course that we all want

to be flawless human beings, living in peace and harmony until

the neverending story - but is that anticipation in accordance

with the truth? My answer is yes and no.

(I have not planned to say any of this aforehand.)

But then he preached in the hippie flower-power days where all

the little, idiot hypocrites in the West, this is to say would

-be-lovers, would-live-in-harmoniers, all the little wannabees

buzzed off to the East to find the light cannot be blown out.

And in the East things were not much better; they were lost in

religion and poverty and beliefs aso, just like the Westenders.

(I misspell English on purpose and play around with it because

I do not speak the language; there is also quite a lot of bear

in it which is the lingo spoken inbetween bears and goldilock)

So - do I understand the man? Bingo!

Was he stuck? No. What he correct in stating we're hypocrites

and corrupt " and the rest of it " ? Yes.

Has he been succesful & had us all transformed via the truth?

Course not. Guess most of the world's population has not even

heard of him. So.

Is it even true that understanding one is full of flaws has a

transformation of the mind come about?

Unless its true his house falls like one made o cards and the

teachings may be dumped and forgotten about.

Because of all these questions unanswered have I come to this

group to at least have a good laugh - Krishnamurtians are not

good laughs - in general. One has to be on ones tip-toes when

around them; never knows from which direction the next attack

will come - if ever - it is a very tricky affair to be around

K-ites -- I have seen much and heard much - and said much too

and

because I have realised that existance is empty of content and

find it sort of a waste to keep discussing K and his teachings

in detail, and yet I keep close to my K-friends - would not be

without out them.

I wonder, was/is it the way K helped me negate everything that

he called the false - which had me realise that I do not exist

- that existance is a phantom - no content whatsoever - was it

the negation-trick that did it for me? If yes - I cannot thank

him enough for doing me that favour. But the thing is I do not

know what did it -- I do not even know if it is done. It could

be my own words - own thinking - own -- finding out that there

is no own -- no owner -- only stuff happening - by itself - on

its own (ROFLOL) accord.

And now I will read your message - finally

-Lene

LOL LOL LOL

Does it matter? First...last...before...after....all end up in the same.

PS - Let us not confuse K-ians (a pain in the a...) with the non-message K

left. The problem I see with K-ians is that they focus completely upon the

false, analyse it, strech it, shrink it, twist it, make love with it.....so

its not surprising they cant get rid of it....LOL

-geo-

Well..since you told us some stuff about yourself, and bbb gave us even the

address the cemetery he is buried in, I will tell you something related to

K(partly repetition).

At the age of 6 I was walking down a path to meet some friends near the

lake. Suddenly I had to freeze. I had just " seen " that I was the only being

in the universe that was inside a body - for all other where seen (by me)

from outside. AS I did not know how to read, did not have any religious

upbringing (both parents atheists), the episode did not cause any severe

repercussion to my personality except that I knew that the " I " was something

absolutely unique...but a natural event of nature. Of course at that time my

" seeing " was incomplete because I did not understand the non-dual nature of

what IS. I just understood that the " I " was absolutely intransferible and

totally unmoving. I found something that seemed fixed: the " I " . (in a way

there is some truth in it)

In fact what happened at that time, now I know, is that a peace of the roof

cracked and I saw some light creeping in.

Very well. A decade or more later I found a little book I don't remember

where...from K. I started reading it and the man was saying that there is no

" I " !!!!

What???!!! I thought. What is going on here? The problem was that by the

time I arrived at the chapter he said that (no I) I was already hooked to

his intelligence, his reasoning, and mostly to his insights. So I just could

not drop him...and kept reading him trying to find out where the flaw was..

(no I)......

-geo-

January 18, 2010