Guest guest Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Monday, January 18, 2010 9:43 AM > Re: Re: Was JK stuck? /Lene > > > > > - > Lene > Nisargadatta > Monday, January 18, 2010 8:03 AM > Re: Was JK stuck? /Lene > > Since I am going nowhere with Geo today because he is not Pete > and him I already have been everywhere with I might just swell > have a go at you - and we will see - if K was stuck or not > > Before read your message would like to say, that the teachings > is a sort of unsolved mystery to me - I am not quite sure what > is the idea with them, although I have had many a conversation > with the dead man himself about " the rest of it " > > I may be totally wrong but as I see his philosophy it is about > a transformation of the mind, which is a spitting out flawless > humbees (human beings) of the tube. They go in filthy and full > of self-contradiction, living in conflict - and come out clean > at the end of the day. > > The transformation does not come about thru striving for to be > come - a flawless humbee - only through understanding that one > is not a such -- and the premise is of course that we all want > to be flawless human beings, living in peace and harmony until > the neverending story - but is that anticipation in accordance > with the truth? My answer is yes and no. > > (I have not planned to say any of this aforehand.) > > But then he preached in the hippie flower-power days where all > the little, idiot hypocrites in the West, this is to say would > -be-lovers, would-live-in-harmoniers, all the little wannabees > buzzed off to the East to find the light cannot be blown out. > > And in the East things were not much better; they were lost in > religion and poverty and beliefs aso, just like the Westenders. > > (I misspell English on purpose and play around with it because > I do not speak the language; there is also quite a lot of bear > in it which is the lingo spoken inbetween bears and goldilock) > > So - do I understand the man? Bingo! > > Was he stuck? No. What he correct in stating we're hypocrites > and corrupt " and the rest of it " ? Yes. > > Has he been succesful & had us all transformed via the truth? > Course not. Guess most of the world's population has not even > heard of him. So. > > Is it even true that understanding one is full of flaws has a > transformation of the mind come about? > > Unless its true his house falls like one made o cards and the > teachings may be dumped and forgotten about. > > Because of all these questions unanswered have I come to this > group to at least have a good laugh - Krishnamurtians are not > good laughs - in general. One has to be on ones tip-toes when > around them; never knows from which direction the next attack > will come - if ever - it is a very tricky affair to be around > K-ites -- I have seen much and heard much - and said much too > > and > > because I have realised that existance is empty of content and > find it sort of a waste to keep discussing K and his teachings > in detail, and yet I keep close to my K-friends - would not be > without out them. > > I wonder, was/is it the way K helped me negate everything that > he called the false - which had me realise that I do not exist > - that existance is a phantom - no content whatsoever - was it > the negation-trick that did it for me? If yes - I cannot thank > him enough for doing me that favour. But the thing is I do not > know what did it -- I do not even know if it is done. It could > be my own words - own thinking - own -- finding out that there > is no own -- no owner -- only stuff happening - by itself - on > its own (ROFLOL) accord. > > And now I will read your message - finally > > -Lene > > LOL LOL LOL > Does it matter? First...last...before...after....all end up in the same. > > PS - Let us not confuse K-ians (a pain in the a...) with the non-message K > left. The problem I see with K-ians is that they focus completely upon the > false, analyse it, strech it, shrink it, twist it, make love with it.....so > its not surprising they cant get rid of it....LOL > -geo- > > Well..since you told us some stuff about yourself, and bbb gave us even the > address the cemetery he is buried in, I will tell you something related to > K(partly repetition). > > At the age of 6 I was walking down a path to meet some friends near the > lake. Suddenly I had to freeze. I had just " seen " that I was the only being > in the universe that was inside a body - for all other where seen (by me) > from outside. AS I did not know how to read, did not have any religious > upbringing (both parents atheists), the episode did not cause any severe > repercussion to my personality except that I knew that the " I " was something > absolutely unique...but a natural event of nature. Of course at that time my > " seeing " was incomplete because I did not understand the non-dual nature of > what IS. I just understood that the " I " was absolutely intransferible and > totally unmoving. I found something that seemed fixed: the " I " . (in a way > there is some truth in it) > > In fact what happened at that time, now I know, is that a peace of the roof > cracked and I saw some light creeping in. > > Very well. A decade or more later I found a little book I don't remember > where...from K. I started reading it and the man was saying that there is no > " I " !!!! > What???!!! I thought. What is going on here? The problem was that by the > time I arrived at the chapter he said that (no I) I was already hooked to > his intelligence, his reasoning, and mostly to his insights. So I just could > not drop him...and kept reading him trying to find out where the flaw was.. > (no I)...... > -geo- " flaw " ! LOL! like every true dabbonite you feel there's a " right " and a 'wrong " . love it! :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Monday, January 18, 2010 9:16 AM > Re: Was JK stuck? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, January 18, 2010 9:43 AM > > Re: Re: Was JK stuck? /Lene > > > > > > > > > > - > > Lene > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, January 18, 2010 8:03 AM > > Re: Was JK stuck? /Lene > > > > Since I am going nowhere with Geo today because he is not Pete > > and him I already have been everywhere with I might just swell > > have a go at you - and we will see - if K was stuck or not > > > > Before read your message would like to say, that the teachings > > is a sort of unsolved mystery to me - I am not quite sure what > > is the idea with them, although I have had many a conversation > > with the dead man himself about " the rest of it " > > > > I may be totally wrong but as I see his philosophy it is about > > a transformation of the mind, which is a spitting out flawless > > humbees (human beings) of the tube. They go in filthy and full > > of self-contradiction, living in conflict - and come out clean > > at the end of the day. > > > > The transformation does not come about thru striving for to be > > come - a flawless humbee - only through understanding that one > > is not a such -- and the premise is of course that we all want > > to be flawless human beings, living in peace and harmony until > > the neverending story - but is that anticipation in accordance > > with the truth? My answer is yes and no. > > > > (I have not planned to say any of this aforehand.) > > > > But then he preached in the hippie flower-power days where all > > the little, idiot hypocrites in the West, this is to say would > > -be-lovers, would-live-in-harmoniers, all the little wannabees > > buzzed off to the East to find the light cannot be blown out. > > > > And in the East things were not much better; they were lost in > > religion and poverty and beliefs aso, just like the Westenders. > > > > (I misspell English on purpose and play around with it because > > I do not speak the language; there is also quite a lot of bear > > in it which is the lingo spoken inbetween bears and goldilock) > > > > So - do I understand the man? Bingo! > > > > Was he stuck? No. What he correct in stating we're hypocrites > > and corrupt " and the rest of it " ? Yes. > > > > Has he been succesful & had us all transformed via the truth? > > Course not. Guess most of the world's population has not even > > heard of him. So. > > > > Is it even true that understanding one is full of flaws has a > > transformation of the mind come about? > > > > Unless its true his house falls like one made o cards and the > > teachings may be dumped and forgotten about. > > > > Because of all these questions unanswered have I come to this > > group to at least have a good laugh - Krishnamurtians are not > > good laughs - in general. One has to be on ones tip-toes when > > around them; never knows from which direction the next attack > > will come - if ever - it is a very tricky affair to be around > > K-ites -- I have seen much and heard much - and said much too > > > > and > > > > because I have realised that existance is empty of content and > > find it sort of a waste to keep discussing K and his teachings > > in detail, and yet I keep close to my K-friends - would not be > > without out them. > > > > I wonder, was/is it the way K helped me negate everything that > > he called the false - which had me realise that I do not exist > > - that existance is a phantom - no content whatsoever - was it > > the negation-trick that did it for me? If yes - I cannot thank > > him enough for doing me that favour. But the thing is I do not > > know what did it -- I do not even know if it is done. It could > > be my own words - own thinking - own -- finding out that there > > is no own -- no owner -- only stuff happening - by itself - on > > its own (ROFLOL) accord. > > > > And now I will read your message - finally > > > > -Lene > > > > LOL LOL LOL > > Does it matter? First...last...before...after....all end up in the same. > > > > PS - Let us not confuse K-ians (a pain in the a...) with the non-message K > > left. The problem I see with K-ians is that they focus completely upon the > > false, analyse it, strech it, shrink it, twist it, make love with > > it.....so > > its not surprising they cant get rid of it....LOL > > -geo- > > > > Well..since you told us some stuff about yourself, and bbb gave us even > > the > > address the cemetery he is buried in, I will tell you something related to > > K(partly repetition). > > > > At the age of 6 I was walking down a path to meet some friends near the > > lake. Suddenly I had to freeze. I had just " seen " that I was the only > > being > > in the universe that was inside a body - for all other where seen (by me) > > from outside. AS I did not know how to read, did not have any religious > > upbringing (both parents atheists), the episode did not cause any severe > > repercussion to my personality except that I knew that the " I " was > > something > > absolutely unique...but a natural event of nature. Of course at that time > > my > > " seeing " was incomplete because I did not understand the non-dual nature > > of > > what IS. I just understood that the " I " was absolutely intransferible and > > totally unmoving. I found something that seemed fixed: the " I " . (in a way > > there is some truth in it) > > > > In fact what happened at that time, now I know, is that a peace of the > > roof > > cracked and I saw some light creeping in. > > > > Very well. A decade or more later I found a little book I don't remember > > where...from K. I started reading it and the man was saying that there is > > no > > " I " !!!! > > What???!!! I thought. What is going on here? The problem was that by the > > time I arrived at the chapter he said that (no I) I was already hooked to > > his intelligence, his reasoning, and mostly to his insights. So I just > > could > > not drop him...and kept reading him trying to find out where the flaw > > was.. > > (no I)...... > > -geo- > > " flaw " ! > > LOL! > > like every true dabbonite you feel there's a " right " and a 'wrong " . > > love it! > > :-) > > .b b.b. > > You did not understand. There was no flaw at all. > -geo- i understand. you don't. baba won't bother going over it again. you won't understand no matter how many times it's gone over. hint: you're still trying to be " right " . LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Monday, January 18, 2010 9:47 AM > Re: Was JK stuck? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > BobN > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, January 18, 2010 9:16 AM > > Re: Was JK stuck? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > geo > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, January 18, 2010 9:43 AM > > > Re: Re: Was JK stuck? /Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Lene > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, January 18, 2010 8:03 AM > > > Re: Was JK stuck? /Lene > > > > > > Since I am going nowhere with Geo today because he is not Pete > > > and him I already have been everywhere with I might just swell > > > have a go at you - and we will see - if K was stuck or not > > > > > > Before read your message would like to say, that the teachings > > > is a sort of unsolved mystery to me - I am not quite sure what > > > is the idea with them, although I have had many a conversation > > > with the dead man himself about " the rest of it " > > > > > > I may be totally wrong but as I see his philosophy it is about > > > a transformation of the mind, which is a spitting out flawless > > > humbees (human beings) of the tube. They go in filthy and full > > > of self-contradiction, living in conflict - and come out clean > > > at the end of the day. > > > > > > The transformation does not come about thru striving for to be > > > come - a flawless humbee - only through understanding that one > > > is not a such -- and the premise is of course that we all want > > > to be flawless human beings, living in peace and harmony until > > > the neverending story - but is that anticipation in accordance > > > with the truth? My answer is yes and no. > > > > > > (I have not planned to say any of this aforehand.) > > > > > > But then he preached in the hippie flower-power days where all > > > the little, idiot hypocrites in the West, this is to say would > > > -be-lovers, would-live-in-harmoniers, all the little wannabees > > > buzzed off to the East to find the light cannot be blown out. > > > > > > And in the East things were not much better; they were lost in > > > religion and poverty and beliefs aso, just like the Westenders. > > > > > > (I misspell English on purpose and play around with it because > > > I do not speak the language; there is also quite a lot of bear > > > in it which is the lingo spoken inbetween bears and goldilock) > > > > > > So - do I understand the man? Bingo! > > > > > > Was he stuck? No. What he correct in stating we're hypocrites > > > and corrupt " and the rest of it " ? Yes. > > > > > > Has he been succesful & had us all transformed via the truth? > > > Course not. Guess most of the world's population has not even > > > heard of him. So. > > > > > > Is it even true that understanding one is full of flaws has a > > > transformation of the mind come about? > > > > > > Unless its true his house falls like one made o cards and the > > > teachings may be dumped and forgotten about. > > > > > > Because of all these questions unanswered have I come to this > > > group to at least have a good laugh - Krishnamurtians are not > > > good laughs - in general. One has to be on ones tip-toes when > > > around them; never knows from which direction the next attack > > > will come - if ever - it is a very tricky affair to be around > > > K-ites -- I have seen much and heard much - and said much too > > > > > > and > > > > > > because I have realised that existance is empty of content and > > > find it sort of a waste to keep discussing K and his teachings > > > in detail, and yet I keep close to my K-friends - would not be > > > without out them. > > > > > > I wonder, was/is it the way K helped me negate everything that > > > he called the false - which had me realise that I do not exist > > > - that existance is a phantom - no content whatsoever - was it > > > the negation-trick that did it for me? If yes - I cannot thank > > > him enough for doing me that favour. But the thing is I do not > > > know what did it -- I do not even know if it is done. It could > > > be my own words - own thinking - own -- finding out that there > > > is no own -- no owner -- only stuff happening - by itself - on > > > its own (ROFLOL) accord. > > > > > > And now I will read your message - finally > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > LOL LOL LOL > > > Does it matter? First...last...before...after....all end up in the same. > > > > > > PS - Let us not confuse K-ians (a pain in the a...) with the non-message > > > K > > > left. The problem I see with K-ians is that they focus completely upon > > > the > > > false, analyse it, strech it, shrink it, twist it, make love with > > > it.....so > > > its not surprising they cant get rid of it....LOL > > > -geo- > > > > > > Well..since you told us some stuff about yourself, and bbb gave us even > > > the > > > address the cemetery he is buried in, I will tell you something related > > > to > > > K(partly repetition). > > > > > > At the age of 6 I was walking down a path to meet some friends near the > > > lake. Suddenly I had to freeze. I had just " seen " that I was the only > > > being > > > in the universe that was inside a body - for all other where seen (by > > > me) > > > from outside. AS I did not know how to read, did not have any religious > > > upbringing (both parents atheists), the episode did not cause any severe > > > repercussion to my personality except that I knew that the " I " was > > > something > > > absolutely unique...but a natural event of nature. Of course at that > > > time > > > my > > > " seeing " was incomplete because I did not understand the non-dual nature > > > of > > > what IS. I just understood that the " I " was absolutely intransferible > > > and > > > totally unmoving. I found something that seemed fixed: the " I " . (in a > > > way > > > there is some truth in it) > > > > > > In fact what happened at that time, now I know, is that a peace of the > > > roof > > > cracked and I saw some light creeping in. > > > > > > Very well. A decade or more later I found a little book I don't remember > > > where...from K. I started reading it and the man was saying that there > > > is > > > no > > > " I " !!!! > > > What???!!! I thought. What is going on here? The problem was that by the > > > time I arrived at the chapter he said that (no I) I was already hooked > > > to > > > his intelligence, his reasoning, and mostly to his insights. So I just > > > could > > > not drop him...and kept reading him trying to find out where the flaw > > > was.. > > > (no I)...... > > > -geo- > > > > " flaw " ! > > > > LOL! > > > > like every true dabbonite you feel there's a " right " and a 'wrong " . > > > > love it! > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > > You did not understand. There was no flaw at all. > > -geo- > > i understand. > > you don't. > > baba won't bother going over it again. > > you won't understand no matter how many times it's gone over. > > hint: > > you're still trying to be " right " . > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > > Ahh....so that! True. OK, I understand. I'll try... > -geo- just do it...don't just try. here's your " secret mantra for Transcendental Meditation.. (don't tell it to anyone): " Err...ahamm..what is TM? " keep repeating that and soon you'll be FLYING! LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > You did not understand. There was no flaw at all. > > -geo- > > i understand. > > you don't. > > baba won't bother going over it again. > > you won't understand no matter how many times it's gone over. > > hint: > > you're still trying to be " right " . > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > > Ahh....so that! True. OK, I understand. I'll try... > > But this discloses a practical issue. Suppose you say something I disagree > with... and I say so. This could be erroneously interpreted by you as > " righteousness " , does it not? > -geo- baba doesn't " interpret " . that's because and wouldn't by the way even some other type go. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > You did not understand. There was no flaw at all. > > > -geo- > > > > i understand. > > > > you don't. > > > > baba won't bother going over it again. > > > > you won't understand no matter how many times it's gone over. > > > > hint: > > > > you're still trying to be " right " . > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Ahh....so that! True. OK, I understand. I'll try... > > > > But this discloses a practical issue. Suppose you say something I disagree > > with... and I say so. This could be erroneously interpreted by you as > > " righteousness " , does it not? > > -geo- > > > > > baba doesn't " interpret " . Of course he does. The reader reads and interprets. Nothing is actually " projected " to you by any other. It's all imagined, interpreted, read in, dreamed up. NOW! ;-D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > You did not understand. There was no flaw at all. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > i understand. > > > > > > you don't. > > > > > > baba won't bother going over it again. > > > > > > you won't understand no matter how many times it's gone over. > > > > > > hint: > > > > > > you're still trying to be " right " . > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Ahh....so that! True. OK, I understand. I'll try... > > > > > > But this discloses a practical issue. Suppose you say something I disagree > > > with... and I say so. This could be erroneously interpreted by you as > > > " righteousness " , does it not? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > baba doesn't " interpret " . > > Of course he does. > > The reader reads and interprets. > > Nothing is actually " projected " to you by any other. > > It's all imagined, interpreted, read in, dreamed up. > > NOW! ;-D. you're dreaming. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Monday, January 18, 2010 1:33 PM > Re: Was JK stuck? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > BobN > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, January 18, 2010 9:47 AM > > Re: Was JK stuck? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > BobN > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, January 18, 2010 9:16 AM > > > Re: Was JK stuck? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > geo > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, January 18, 2010 9:43 AM > > > > Re: Re: Was JK stuck? /Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Lene > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, January 18, 2010 8:03 AM > > > > Re: Was JK stuck? /Lene > > > > > > > > Since I am going nowhere with Geo today because he is not Pete > > > > and him I already have been everywhere with I might just swell > > > > have a go at you - and we will see - if K was stuck or not > > > > > > > > Before read your message would like to say, that the teachings > > > > is a sort of unsolved mystery to me - I am not quite sure what > > > > is the idea with them, although I have had many a conversation > > > > with the dead man himself about " the rest of it " > > > > > > > > I may be totally wrong but as I see his philosophy it is about > > > > a transformation of the mind, which is a spitting out flawless > > > > humbees (human beings) of the tube. They go in filthy and full > > > > of self-contradiction, living in conflict - and come out clean > > > > at the end of the day. > > > > > > > > The transformation does not come about thru striving for to be > > > > come - a flawless humbee - only through understanding that one > > > > is not a such -- and the premise is of course that we all want > > > > to be flawless human beings, living in peace and harmony until > > > > the neverending story - but is that anticipation in accordance > > > > with the truth? My answer is yes and no. > > > > > > > > (I have not planned to say any of this aforehand.) > > > > > > > > But then he preached in the hippie flower-power days where all > > > > the little, idiot hypocrites in the West, this is to say would > > > > -be-lovers, would-live-in-harmoniers, all the little wannabees > > > > buzzed off to the East to find the light cannot be blown out. > > > > > > > > And in the East things were not much better; they were lost in > > > > religion and poverty and beliefs aso, just like the Westenders. > > > > > > > > (I misspell English on purpose and play around with it because > > > > I do not speak the language; there is also quite a lot of bear > > > > in it which is the lingo spoken inbetween bears and goldilock) > > > > > > > > So - do I understand the man? Bingo! > > > > > > > > Was he stuck? No. What he correct in stating we're hypocrites > > > > and corrupt " and the rest of it " ? Yes. > > > > > > > > Has he been succesful & had us all transformed via the truth? > > > > Course not. Guess most of the world's population has not even > > > > heard of him. So. > > > > > > > > Is it even true that understanding one is full of flaws has a > > > > transformation of the mind come about? > > > > > > > > Unless its true his house falls like one made o cards and the > > > > teachings may be dumped and forgotten about. > > > > > > > > Because of all these questions unanswered have I come to this > > > > group to at least have a good laugh - Krishnamurtians are not > > > > good laughs - in general. One has to be on ones tip-toes when > > > > around them; never knows from which direction the next attack > > > > will come - if ever - it is a very tricky affair to be around > > > > K-ites -- I have seen much and heard much - and said much too > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > because I have realised that existance is empty of content and > > > > find it sort of a waste to keep discussing K and his teachings > > > > in detail, and yet I keep close to my K-friends - would not be > > > > without out them. > > > > > > > > I wonder, was/is it the way K helped me negate everything that > > > > he called the false - which had me realise that I do not exist > > > > - that existance is a phantom - no content whatsoever - was it > > > > the negation-trick that did it for me? If yes - I cannot thank > > > > him enough for doing me that favour. But the thing is I do not > > > > know what did it -- I do not even know if it is done. It could > > > > be my own words - own thinking - own -- finding out that there > > > > is no own -- no owner -- only stuff happening - by itself - on > > > > its own (ROFLOL) accord. > > > > > > > > And now I will read your message - finally > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > LOL LOL LOL > > > > Does it matter? First...last...before...after....all end up in the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > PS - Let us not confuse K-ians (a pain in the a...) with the > > > > non-message > > > > K > > > > left. The problem I see with K-ians is that they focus completely upon > > > > the > > > > false, analyse it, strech it, shrink it, twist it, make love with > > > > it.....so > > > > its not surprising they cant get rid of it....LOL > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Well..since you told us some stuff about yourself, and bbb gave us > > > > even > > > > the > > > > address the cemetery he is buried in, I will tell you something > > > > related > > > > to > > > > K(partly repetition). > > > > > > > > At the age of 6 I was walking down a path to meet some friends near > > > > the > > > > lake. Suddenly I had to freeze. I had just " seen " that I was the only > > > > being > > > > in the universe that was inside a body - for all other where seen (by > > > > me) > > > > from outside. AS I did not know how to read, did not have any > > > > religious > > > > upbringing (both parents atheists), the episode did not cause any > > > > severe > > > > repercussion to my personality except that I knew that the " I " was > > > > something > > > > absolutely unique...but a natural event of nature. Of course at that > > > > time > > > > my > > > > " seeing " was incomplete because I did not understand the non-dual > > > > nature > > > > of > > > > what IS. I just understood that the " I " was absolutely intransferible > > > > and > > > > totally unmoving. I found something that seemed fixed: the " I " . (in a > > > > way > > > > there is some truth in it) > > > > > > > > In fact what happened at that time, now I know, is that a peace of the > > > > roof > > > > cracked and I saw some light creeping in. > > > > > > > > Very well. A decade or more later I found a little book I don't > > > > remember > > > > where...from K. I started reading it and the man was saying that there > > > > is > > > > no > > > > " I " !!!! > > > > What???!!! I thought. What is going on here? The problem was that by > > > > the > > > > time I arrived at the chapter he said that (no I) I was already hooked > > > > to > > > > his intelligence, his reasoning, and mostly to his insights. So I just > > > > could > > > > not drop him...and kept reading him trying to find out where the flaw > > > > was.. > > > > (no I)...... > > > > -geo- > > > > > > " flaw " ! > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > like every true dabbonite you feel there's a " right " and a 'wrong " . > > > > > > love it! > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > You did not understand. There was no flaw at all. > > > -geo- > > > > i understand. > > > > you don't. > > > > baba won't bother going over it again. > > > > you won't understand no matter how many times it's gone over. > > > > hint: > > > > you're still trying to be " right " . > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Ahh....so that! True. OK, I understand. I'll try... > > -geo- > > just do it...don't just try. > > here's your " secret mantra for Transcendental Meditation.. > > (don't tell it to anyone): > > " Err...ahamm..what is TM? " > > keep repeating that and soon you'll be FLYING! > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > > You see.... I am not in any overdone religious, over-read philosophy > hangover trip. So stuff like Transcendental Meditation, mantras, just FLY by > me and I don't even notice. I was not raised in a catholic nun Scholl, like > you - if I am not mistaken. I have not read almost anything about religion, > very little of philosophy....so to me that is not funny...it just doesn't > tickle.. not even a bit. What can I do? Must I laugh? > -geo- no. obviously you must be the morose pipsqueak with no sense of humor.. that you obviously already are. you have no choice. those are the cards that have been dealt. and you seem to be at acceptance with this. all is well then. it is neither good nor bad. it is what it is and that is so sad you. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Monday, January 18, 2010 1:36 PM > Re: Was JK stuck? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > You did not understand. There was no flaw at all. > > > -geo- > > > > i understand. > > > > you don't. > > > > baba won't bother going over it again. > > > > you won't understand no matter how many times it's gone over. > > > > hint: > > > > you're still trying to be " right " . > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Ahh....so that! True. OK, I understand. I'll try... > > > > But this discloses a practical issue. Suppose you say something I disagree > > with... and I say so. This could be erroneously interpreted by you as > > " righteousness " , does it not? > > -geo- > > baba doesn't " interpret " . > > that's because and wouldn't by the way even some other type go. > > .b b.b. > > I would say because anytime at someday without eyedrops could avoid becoming > rigid admant reaction. > -geo- good. you're finally beginning to listen to me. you of course have no choice. it's your only option and you must thus react as you have. keepin' you honest: ..b b.b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > P: This question can be viewed in two ways: > was JK fully realized? I think he was. What > does it mean to be realized anyway? > > 1) Consciousness has been freed from the past, > the story of a life. > > 2) Consciousness has become a void mirror that > never gets stuck with images, no matter how > horrific, or joyful they are. > > 3) To surrender your voice. To recite lines that > come, regardless whether benefits your image, or > not. > > I think he once said, I'm paraphrasing, whoever > wants to speak for the Whole, would be given something > to say, but you cannot pick and choose. If you do that, > all our needs will be provided for. > > The second way to view that is: was he the perfect > teacher for everyone? > > Of course not. But is any step of a stair the perfect > step for everyone? It depends what floor you want to > got to. The first step is not stuck. The last step > can't be reached without the first. K was my first > teacher, and I am for ever grateful he was there to > provide that first step. > > Pete I think what is confusing about the teachings is that they are antiteachings. K was my first and last teacher too, if I choose to call my conditioners school masters - but what he taught me was to find out for myself. I am a key-finder and what I do is look for the key to open the door, I find it and open the door myself. Ks key opens all doors; there is no need to look around for other keys - that is what he did for me - gave me the key. He wanted for me to question everything, and I did and do and as his philosophy belongs to everything, I question them and the human who delivered them and the humans who are followers of this man and what he said. I do not get how one can follow a man, who wanted no followers and made this quite clear. I love him all the same but what's love got to do with it. -Lene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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