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Monday, January 18, 2010 5:34 PM

Discourses on JK.

 

 

 

Thanks Lene!

 

I have read very little of JK. But, what I find even more remarkable is that

I remember nothing of what I read of him! It is like travelling very fast

for long time, yet, not going anywhere, because you have just been moving in

circles.

 

Not, that moving in circles is totally useless! It can be a good exercise

for the body and can make muscles! It can make you stronger. I guess that is

what has happened to some of JK's followers. They might not have really

learned anything but, through the exercise of reading him, they might have

become bigger, more stubborn and more difficult spiritual idiots with

stronger intellectual and debate muscles than before.

 

I am not suggesting that everyone who followed JK became like that. Some

certainly saw him as " not going anywhere " movement of treadmill and used him

only as exercise equipment and not an device to go anywhere.

 

He was also praised and respected by many people whom I respect and value.

Thus, I guess he had something to offer, but, just like I missed (or

" suspected " ) some of quantum physics, I missed (or found " wortless " and

" confused " ) some of JK's teaching too.

 

Through much of my reading of him, he came across as someone who had

extremely high opinion of himself and quite low opinion of his followers.

Low opinion of followers might come from the fact that maybe, he couldn't

not understand why they were following him.

-ac-

 

 

" I remember nothing of what I read of him! " ,- but you sure has allot to say

about it. And then " I missed (or found " wortless " and " confused " ) some of

JK's teaching too. " - specially the parts that you remember..which is, as

you say, nothing. Your opinion is not very....what?....racional. But thanks

Lene - for what?

-geo-

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I found teachings of Advaita and Ramana much simpler, clear and

straight-forward:

 

Deep dreamless sleep is the purest state of nonduality.

 

There is not a moment when you are not.

 

What is real, exists in deep dreamless sleep too.

 

The ego, the false I, individuality is not real because it doesn't exist in deep

dreamless state.

 

Your reality is same through all states dream, wakefulness and deep dreamless

sleep.

 

Realization is nothing to get new. Everything that begins must end too. If

realization has a beginning, it must have an end too.

 

 

Consciousness bent inwards feels like God.

 

All that is needed to be known is to find the source of 'I'.

 

The source of (false) 'I' is the I thought.

 

 

and, as Papaji used to say:

 

....

 

 

Don't touch this sense of 'I' for a moment and tell me if you are not sleeping

right now.

 

 

....

 

and, as Ramana used to say...

 

 

in reality, you are always in sleep only.

 

 

....

 

and, as Papaji used to say...

 

When you wake up, mind wakes us, " I " wakes up and with that " I " that entire

world wakes up.

 

If you don't touch this sense of I, you will experience the happiness of sleep

while awake!

 

 

(all paraphrased)

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And thank you :)

 

JK was conditioned like everyone else and so he may be excused

for whatever he said and did - he could not for it, as I would

phrase it.

 

I watched a video recently (one of a few, I dont like watching

him on video). He was a very young man, helplessly dangling in

between the claws of her and his majesties the super-ignorants

who thought they had found their little baby christ, new world

leader - how could they?! How stupid can one be?! I myself was

not that stupid even beFORE I met K.

 

Calm down now Lene - it is all but an adventure - a show, you

know. Ah yes - thanks :)

 

He held a speech and he looked beautiful, he was SO beautiful,

and he turned to the left, and he turned to the right - after

speaking -- and asked: was I good enough? Did I do all right?

Yes? Thank you, thank you, thank you very very much.

 

I would've been proud of being his mother and I would not have

sold him to anyone - you do not sell your children - except in

this the best of all worlds of course. I donot like this world

as you may have found out already. It is a horrible place, and

it's no wonder we keep looking up and out and around hoping to

find intelligence somewhere in outer space for here there sure

ain't no such thing.

 

Finis finalis.

 

PS He broke with the whole circus when he was 33, good for us.

I think he'd been conditioned so well that he had to spend the

rest of his life un-conditioning himself - and there must have

been a certain anger present especially after the relationship

with Rosalind (his best friend's wife - wow! Surely he was but

a man and no more of a god or devil than I am, just human) had finished.

 

Im angry myself as you can tell - angry on behalf of me and you

and K and all mankind and the way we're conditioning each other

to beCOME gods - to beCOME devils - to beCOME this and that but

 

then my friend - is not this conditioning what we truly are and

is it not all in the past, and is there anything to do about it

therefore

 

but be it and see it and then be it not

 

Love

Lene

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote:

>

> Thanks Lene!

>

> I have read very little of JK. But, what I find even more remarkable is that I

remember nothing of what I read of him! It is like travelling very fast for long

time, yet, not going anywhere, because you have just been moving in circles.

>

> Not, that moving in circles is totally useless! It can be a good exercise for

the body and can make muscles! It can make you stronger. I guess that is what

has happened to some of JK's followers. They might not have really learned

anything but, through the exercise of reading him, they might have become

bigger, more stubborn and more difficult spiritual idiots with stronger

intellectual and debate muscles than before.

>

> I am not suggesting that everyone who followed JK became like that. Some

certainly saw him as " not going anywhere " movement of treadmill and used him

only as exercise equipment and not an device to go anywhere.

>

>

> He was also praised and respected by many people whom I respect and value.

Thus, I guess he had something to offer, but, just like I missed (or

" suspected " ) some of quantum physics, I missed (or found " wortless " and

" confused " ) some of JK's teaching too.

>

> Through much of my reading of him, he came across as someone who had extremely

high opinion of himself and quite low opinion of his followers. Low opinion of

followers might come from the fact that maybe, he couldn't not understand why

they were following him.

>

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> ac

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, January 18, 2010 5:34 PM

> Discourses on JK.

>

>

>

> Thanks Lene!

>

> I have read very little of JK. But, what I find even more remarkable is that

> I remember nothing of what I read of him! It is like travelling very fast

> for long time, yet, not going anywhere, because you have just been moving in

> circles.

>

> Not, that moving in circles is totally useless! It can be a good exercise

> for the body and can make muscles! It can make you stronger. I guess that is

> what has happened to some of JK's followers. They might not have really

> learned anything but, through the exercise of reading him, they might have

> become bigger, more stubborn and more difficult spiritual idiots with

> stronger intellectual and debate muscles than before.

>

> I am not suggesting that everyone who followed JK became like that. Some

> certainly saw him as " not going anywhere " movement of treadmill and used him

> only as exercise equipment and not an device to go anywhere.

>

> He was also praised and respected by many people whom I respect and value.

> Thus, I guess he had something to offer, but, just like I missed (or

> " suspected " ) some of quantum physics, I missed (or found " wortless " and

> " confused " ) some of JK's teaching too.

>

> Through much of my reading of him, he came across as someone who had

> extremely high opinion of himself and quite low opinion of his followers.

> Low opinion of followers might come from the fact that maybe, he couldn't

> not understand why they were following him.

> -ac-

>

>

> " I remember nothing of what I read of him! " ,- but you sure has allot to say

> about it. And then " I missed (or found " wortless " and " confused " ) some of

> JK's teaching too. " - specially the parts that you remember..which is, as

> you say, nothing. Your opinion is not very....what?....racional. But thanks

> Lene - for what?

> -geo-

 

 

 

Yes, let us be racional

blacks here whites there

chop chop teddybear

Oh well

 

-L-

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Thanks AC - beautiful - simple - clear.

 

Which reminds me that K was so careful about not stating

the positive.

 

Still his philosophy was the key opened the door for me.

 

And then followed what is listed below ...

 

-Lene

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote:

>

> I found teachings of Advaita and Ramana much simpler, clear and

straight-forward:

>

> Deep dreamless sleep is the purest state of nonduality.

>

> There is not a moment when you are not.

>

> What is real, exists in deep dreamless sleep too.

>

> The ego, the false I, individuality is not real because it doesn't exist in

deep dreamless state.

>

> Your reality is same through all states dream, wakefulness and deep dreamless

sleep.

>

> Realization is nothing to get new. Everything that begins must end too. If

realization has a beginning, it must have an end too.

>

>

> Consciousness bent inwards feels like God.

>

> All that is needed to be known is to find the source of 'I'.

>

> The source of (false) 'I' is the I thought.

>

>

> and, as Papaji used to say:

>

> ...

>

>

> Don't touch this sense of 'I' for a moment and tell me if you are not sleeping

right now.

>

>

> ...

>

> and, as Ramana used to say...

>

>

> in reality, you are always in sleep only.

>

>

> ...

>

> and, as Papaji used to say...

>

> When you wake up, mind wakes us, " I " wakes up and with that " I " that entire

world wakes up.

>

> If you don't touch this sense of I, you will experience the happiness of sleep

while awake!

>

>

> (all paraphrased)

>

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