Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 it is written on this blog: Qui êtes-vous ? The same as your Self (Atman). There is really only Brahman, Atman is Brahman. already such words lead to endless speculations etc etc... .... the Self some Gurus are talking about....isn't about any " Atman/Brahman " speculations, concepts and theories. .... Brahman is formless, infinite and changeless.... The (real) Self experience that Means, experience the distinction between this apparent body & mind...and Brahman .... There couldn't be any body, mind and intellect working and existing....without Brahman. There couldn't be any appearent change and forms...in relation to non-change and formlessness....means, in relation to peace. .... The (real) Self who experience that only Brahman is real... experience that this appearent " Atman " or mentionned " Self (Atman) " ... is an appearent form of Brahman only. And nothing else. Means, that indeed only Brahman is real .... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > it is written on this blog: > > Qui êtes-vous ? > The same as your Self (Atman). There is really only Brahman, Atman is Brahman. > > already such words lead to endless speculations etc etc... > > ... > > the Self some Gurus are talking about....isn't about any " Atman/Brahman " speculations, concepts and theories. > > ... > > Brahman is formless, infinite and changeless.... > > The (real) Self experience that > > Means, experience the distinction between this apparent body & mind...and Brahman > > ... > > There couldn't be any body, mind and intellect working and existing....without Brahman. > > There couldn't be any appearent change and forms...in relation to non-change and formlessness....means, in relation to peace. > > ... > > The (real) Self who experience that only Brahman is real... > > experience that this appearent " Atman " or mentionned " Self (Atman) " ... > > is an appearent form of Brahman only. > > And nothing else. > > Means, that indeed only Brahman is real > > ... > > > Marc > Put your left thumb on the table. Get a hammer with your right hand and with a heavy blow hit your thumb. At that moment Atman, Brahman the Self and similar mental stuff which occupied your mind is totally gone. Then instantly say to yourself " Marc, you are a damn fool " . And you will see the truth of it. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Put your left thumb on the table. Get a hammer with your right hand and with a heavy blow hit your thumb. At that moment Atman, Brahman the Self and similar mental stuff which occupied your mind is totally gone. Then instantly say to yourself " Marc, you are a damn fool " . And you will see the truth of it. Werner Werner boy... we already know that you try hard for some attention..... and realy don't like when you don't get it... .... such attitude is only made of a whole bubble of illusions... .... of nothing else .... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Put your left thumb on the table. > > Get a hammer with your right hand and with a heavy blow hit your thumb. > > At that moment Atman, Brahman the Self and similar mental stuff which occupied your mind is totally gone. > > Then instantly say to yourself " Marc, you are a damn fool " . > > And you will see the truth of it. > > Werner > > > > Werner boy... > > we already know that you try hard for some attention..... > and realy don't like when you don't get it... > > ... > > such attitude is only made of a whole bubble of illusions... > > ... > > of nothing else > > ... > > > > > Marc > Coward ! Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 The (real) Self who experience that only Brahman is real...experience that this appearent "Atman" or mentionned "Self (Atman)"...is an appearent form of Brahman only.And nothing else.Means, that indeed only Brahman is real...MarcIn the Upanishads, seems to me, "atman" is the ultimate, the ground, awareness - realized by the human being that is just a fragment of the universe. Atman is the real just as Brahman. The former is the drop, the later the ocean. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > it is written on this blog: > > > > Qui êtes-vous ? > > The same as your Self (Atman). There is really only Brahman, Atman is Brahman. > > > > already such words lead to endless speculations etc etc... > > > > ... > > > > the Self some Gurus are talking about....isn't about any " Atman/Brahman " speculations, concepts and theories. > > > > ... > > > > Brahman is formless, infinite and changeless.... > > > > The (real) Self experience that > > > > Means, experience the distinction between this apparent body & mind...and Brahman > > > > ... > > > > There couldn't be any body, mind and intellect working and existing....without Brahman. > > > > There couldn't be any appearent change and forms...in relation to non-change and formlessness....means, in relation to peace. > > > > ... > > > > The (real) Self who experience that only Brahman is real... > > > > experience that this appearent " Atman " or mentionned " Self (Atman) " ... > > > > is an appearent form of Brahman only. > > > > And nothing else. > > > > Means, that indeed only Brahman is real > > > > ... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > Put your left thumb on the table. > > Get a hammer with your right hand and with a heavy blow hit your thumb. > > At that moment Atman, Brahman the Self and similar mental stuff which occupied your mind is totally gone. > > Then instantly say to yourself " Marc, you are a damn fool " . > > And you will see the truth of it. > > Werner you did that hammer hit thing with your head didn't you wernie? you could have saved yourself the trouble girl. all you had to do was ask anyone here beforehand.. or before-head in your case.. about whether or not you are a fool. we would gladly have told you that yes you are. but i'm sure you would have wanted.. to carry on with your experiment anyway.. because you think we are all stupid. does it surprise you then that yes you are a fool like we said? well if you still have any doubts..and want to prove us wrong.. you can hit your head with that hammer again. i mean there is no sense in calling for a vote on this. oops.. that's right you have no sense do you? LOL! ..b b.b. p.s. did you hit your left head or your right head? doesn't matter. they are both equally as ugly as one another i'm sure. and i just bet they both have dirty long locks too. are both of them not reading this? :-) [.bx3] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Put your left thumb on the table. > > > > Get a hammer with your right hand and with a heavy blow hit your thumb. > > > > At that moment Atman, Brahman the Self and similar mental stuff which occupied your mind is totally gone. > > > > Then instantly say to yourself " Marc, you are a damn fool " . > > > > And you will see the truth of it. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Werner boy... > > > > we already know that you try hard for some attention..... > > and realy don't like when you don't get it... > > > > ... > > > > such attitude is only made of a whole bubble of illusions... > > > > ... > > > > of nothing else > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > Coward ! > > Werner effeminate asshole! ROFLMAO! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 The (real) Self who experience that only Brahman is real... experience that this appearent " Atman " or mentionned " Self (Atman) " ... is an appearent form of Brahman only. And nothing else. Means, that indeed only Brahman is real .... Marc In the Upanishads, seems to me, " atman " is the ultimate, the ground, awareness - realized by the human being that is just a fragment of the universe. Atman is the real just as Brahman. The former is the drop, the later the ocean. -geo- this means that this your described " Atman " could be seen as the before mentionned real Self....when there is " awareness " .... but this " fragment of the universe " can't be Atman.....in the case of Atman being equal to Brahman .... the drop is not the ocean .... the ocean is not the drop .... it take some effort to this your mentionned " Atman " to get awareness .... when there is awareness....there is only Brahman left .... like ever before .... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 - Marc Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:23 AM Re: A pretty good advita blog. The (real) Self who experience that only Brahman is real... experience that this appearent " Atman " or mentionned " Self (Atman) " ... is an appearent form of Brahman only. And nothing else. Means, that indeed only Brahman is real .... Marc In the Upanishads, seems to me, " atman " is the ultimate, the ground, awareness - realized by the human being that is just a fragment of the universe. Atman is the real just as Brahman. The former is the drop, the later the ocean. -geo- this means that this your described " Atman " could be seen as the before mentionned real Self....when there is " awareness " .... but this " fragment of the universe " can't be Atman.....in the case of Atman being equal to Brahman .... the drop is not the ocean .... the ocean is not the drop .... it take some effort to this your mentionned " Atman " to get awareness .... when there is awareness....there is only Brahman left .... like ever before .... Marc I dont know marc. We would have to decipher (translate properly the meaning they imparted to them) words like atman and brahman to be able to talk about them, but, as I see it, atman is brahman in the same measure as the drop is the same as the ocean. None of them is treated in the scriptures as the ego. I dont understand what you mean with " it take some effort to this your mentionned " Atman " to get awareness " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > The (real) Self who experience that only Brahman is real... > > experience that this appearent " Atman " or mentionned " Self (Atman) " ... > > is an appearent form of Brahman only. > > And nothing else. > > Means, that indeed only Brahman is real > > ... > > Marc > > In the Upanishads, seems to me, " atman " is the ultimate, the ground, awareness - realized by the human being that is just a fragment of the universe. Atman is the real just as Brahman. The former is the drop, the later the ocean. > -geo- an ocean is a rather small thing to compare.. to what you think you think you're talking about with Brahman. but for what your limited capacity is indeed referring to.. a " thing " that goes by a silly name " Brahman " .. the ocean is actually way too big. anyway.. both oceans AND drops by the kazillions.. are totally insignificant and have nothing to do with THAT. oh baba knows it's just your silly atman speaking... or so " it " seems to " you " . LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 - Marc Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:23 AM Re: A pretty good advita blog. The (real) Self who experience that only Brahman is real... experience that this appearent " Atman " or mentionned " Self (Atman) " ... is an appearent form of Brahman only. And nothing else. Means, that indeed only Brahman is real .... Marc In the Upanishads, seems to me, " atman " is the ultimate, the ground, awareness - realized by the human being that is just a fragment of the universe. Atman is the real just as Brahman. The former is the drop, the later the ocean. -geo- this means that this your described " Atman " could be seen as the before mentionned real Self....when there is " awareness " .... but this " fragment of the universe " can't be Atman.....in the case of Atman being equal to Brahman .... the drop is not the ocean .... the ocean is not the drop .... it take some effort to this your mentionned " Atman " to get awareness .... when there is awareness... .there is only Brahman left .... like ever before .... Marc I dont know marc. We would have to decipher (translate properly the meaning they imparted to them) words like atman and brahman to be able to talk about them, but, as I see it, atman is brahman in the same measure as the drop is the same as the ocean. None of them is treated in the scriptures as the ego. I dont understand what you mean with " it take some effort to this your mentionned " Atman " to get awareness " the scriptures were maybe written by people without any ego(-problems) anymore... therefore the scriptures get often high attention by ego-freaks...who are realy trying " everything " to keep on dreaming....and think that this their little imaginary ego is equal to an " ocean " ... this their little imaginary ego " who " has made some fantastic experiences and therefore must be " enlightened " ...etc...etc you are already doing some effort to read the scriptures....and asking what it means that it take some effort to get awareness...?... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Brahman is nothing and Atman is nothing breathing Indeed the same nothing -Lene Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > it is written on this blog: > > Qui êtes-vous ? > The same as your Self (Atman). There is really only Brahman, Atman is Brahman. > > already such words lead to endless speculations etc etc... > > ... > > the Self some Gurus are talking about....isn't about any " Atman/Brahman " speculations, concepts and theories. > > ... > > Brahman is formless, infinite and changeless.... > > The (real) Self experience that > > Means, experience the distinction between this apparent body & mind...and Brahman > > ... > > There couldn't be any body, mind and intellect working and existing....without Brahman. > > There couldn't be any appearent change and forms...in relation to non-change and formlessness....means, in relation to peace. > > ... > > The (real) Self who experience that only Brahman is real... > > experience that this appearent " Atman " or mentionned " Self (Atman) " ... > > is an appearent form of Brahman only. > > And nothing else. > > Means, that indeed only Brahman is real > > ... > > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Brahman is nothing and Atman is nothing breathing Indeed the same nothing -Lene if you like.... who is then this your JK you are attached to?... one more " nothing " ?... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 a brahman is ok. personally .b b.b. is a leg man himself. baba hopes that doesn't make him a male chauvinist pig. Bob has always wholeheartedly supported women libbers.. in my own whole hard way... wholesomely of course. just like a bra supports whatever it's supposed to support. i mean baba thinks Gloria Steinem had some pretty gamey gams.. and i'm sure Fanny Wright had a very nice first name namesake herself. bold and brassy broads deserve manly respect! now baba is just jesting... so why not just say .. in a perfect Irish accent: " 'atta boy! 'atman is a good sport. " it really doesn't mean anything anyway. so let's just dance dance dance. to the moment that's not here.. and to the music that isn't there.. although no one can actually do anything.. let's do or dare...or die.. if not already dead. but then among the Unborn who isn't? except maybe the piano player? :-) ..b b.b. *******************************NNB************************************ Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > Brahman is nothing and Atman is nothing breathing > > Indeed the same nothing > > -Lene > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > it is written on this blog: > > > > Qui êtes-vous ? > > The same as your Self (Atman). There is really only Brahman, Atman is Brahman. > > > > already such words lead to endless speculations etc etc... > > > > ... > > > > the Self some Gurus are talking about....isn't about any " Atman/Brahman " speculations, concepts and theories. > > > > ... > > > > Brahman is formless, infinite and changeless.... > > > > The (real) Self experience that > > > > Means, experience the distinction between this apparent body & mind...and Brahman > > > > ... > > > > There couldn't be any body, mind and intellect working and existing....without Brahman. > > > > There couldn't be any appearent change and forms...in relation to non-change and formlessness....means, in relation to peace. > > > > ... > > > > The (real) Self who experience that only Brahman is real... > > > > experience that this appearent " Atman " or mentionned " Self (Atman) " ... > > > > is an appearent form of Brahman only. > > > > And nothing else. > > > > Means, that indeed only Brahman is real > > > > ... > > > > > > Marc > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Brahman is nothing and Atman is nothing breathing Indeed the same nothing -Lene if you like.... who is then this your JK you are attached to?... one more " nothing " ?.. . Marc PS: JK remind me something.... JK who organised many conferences....given all over the world....each year.....again and again.....for years and years and years.... many many book titles... did he need many " cowards " listening to him?... maybe the reason why Werner is also a Fan of this his Guru.... this Guru who never finished to teach that nobody need any teacher?... i mean, that one must be a real coward...listening to him...?... .... joking Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Brahman is nothing and Atman is nothing breathing > > Indeed the same nothing > > -Lene > > > if you like.... > > who is then this your JK you are attached to?... > > one more " nothing " ?... > > What do you think? Atman means breath. Surely you know that. Atman, ergo sum. Sum what? Sum nothing. That would be Brahman. LOLOLOLOL -Lene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Brahman is nothing and Atman is nothing breathing > > Indeed the same nothing > > -Lene > > if you like.... > > who is then this your JK you are attached to?... > > one more " nothing " ?.. . > > > > Marc > > > PS: JK remind me something.... > > JK who organised many conferences....given all over the world....each year.....again and again.....for years and years and years.... > > many many book titles... > > did he need many " cowards " listening to him?... > > maybe the reason why Werner is also a Fan of this his Guru.... > > this Guru who never finished to teach that nobody need any teacher?... > > i mean, that one must be a real coward...listening to him...?... > > ... > > joking hopefully i am a fan of noone k i am just in love with next question -lene > > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Nisargadatta, Marc <dennis_travis33@ ...> wrote: > > Brahman is nothing and Atman is nothing breathing > > Indeed the same nothing > > -Lene > > if you like.... > > who is then this your JK you are attached to?... > > one more " nothing " ?.. . > > > > Marc > > > PS: JK remind me something... . > > JK who organised many conferences. ...given all over the world....each year.....again and again.....for years and years and years.... > > many many book titles... > > did he need many " cowards " listening to him?... > > maybe the reason why Werner is also a Fan of this his Guru.... > > this Guru who never finished to teach that nobody need any teacher?... > > i mean, that one must be a real coward...listening to him...?... > > ... > > joking hopefully i am a fan of noone k i am just in love with next question -lene no more questions wish you to read more about nothing....written by nothing breathing...etc lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > a brahman is ok. > > personally .b b.b. is a leg man himself. > > baba hopes that doesn't make him a male chauvinist pig. > > Bob has always wholeheartedly supported women libbers.. > > in my own whole hard way... > > wholesomely of course. > > just like a bra supports whatever it's supposed to support. > > i mean baba thinks Gloria Steinem had some pretty gamey gams.. > > and i'm sure Fanny Wright had a very nice first name namesake herself. > > bold and brassy broads deserve manly respect! > > now baba is just jesting... > > so why not just say .. > > in a perfect Irish accent: > > " 'atta boy! 'atman is a good sport. " > > it really doesn't mean anything anyway. > > so let's just dance dance dance. > > to the moment that's not here.. > > and to the music that isn't there.. > > although no one can actually do anything.. > > let's do or dare...or die.. > > if not already dead. > > but then among the Unborn who isn't? > > except maybe the piano player? > > :-) > > .b b.b. O shit you take my breath away -Brahawoman No Bull: Après lene, le deluge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > a brahman is ok. > > > > personally .b b.b. is a leg man himself. > > > > baba hopes that doesn't make him a male chauvinist pig. > > > > Bob has always wholeheartedly supported women libbers.. > > > > in my own whole hard way... > > > > wholesomely of course. > > > > just like a bra supports whatever it's supposed to support. > > > > i mean baba thinks Gloria Steinem had some pretty gamey gams.. > > > > and i'm sure Fanny Wright had a very nice first name namesake herself. > > > > bold and brassy broads deserve manly respect! > > > > now baba is just jesting... > > > > so why not just say .. > > > > in a perfect Irish accent: > > > > " 'atta boy! 'atman is a good sport. " > > > > it really doesn't mean anything anyway. > > > > so let's just dance dance dance. > > > > to the moment that's not here.. > > > > and to the music that isn't there.. > > > > although no one can actually do anything.. > > > > let's do or dare...or die.. > > > > if not already dead. > > > > but then among the Unborn who isn't? > > > > except maybe the piano player? > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > O shit you take my breath away > > -Brahawoman > > No Bull: Après lene, le deluge :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 - Marc Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:02 AM Re: A pretty good advita blog. - Marc Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:23 AM Re: A pretty good advita blog. The (real) Self who experience that only Brahman is real... experience that this appearent " Atman " or mentionned " Self (Atman) " ... is an appearent form of Brahman only. And nothing else. Means, that indeed only Brahman is real .... Marc In the Upanishads, seems to me, " atman " is the ultimate, the ground, awareness - realized by the human being that is just a fragment of the universe. Atman is the real just as Brahman. The former is the drop, the later the ocean. -geo- this means that this your described " Atman " could be seen as the before mentionned real Self....when there is " awareness " .... but this " fragment of the universe " can't be Atman.....in the case of Atman being equal to Brahman .... the drop is not the ocean .... the ocean is not the drop .... it take some effort to this your mentionned " Atman " to get awareness .... when there is awareness... .there is only Brahman left .... like ever before .... Marc I dont know marc. We would have to decipher (translate properly the meaning they imparted to them) words like atman and brahman to be able to talk about them, but, as I see it, atman is brahman in the same measure as the drop is the same as the ocean. None of them is treated in the scriptures as the ego. I dont understand what you mean with " it take some effort to this your mentionned " Atman " to get awareness " -geo- the scriptures were maybe written by people without any ego(-problems) anymore... -marc- Many probably have been writen by people who knew all is one. -geo- therefore the scriptures get often high attention by ego-freaks...who are realy trying " everything " to keep on dreaming....and think that this their little imaginary ego is equal to an " ocean " ... this their little imaginary ego " who " has made some fantastic experiences and therefore must be " enlightened " ...etc...etc -marc- The people who read scriptures are many. There are all kinds of readers. -geo- you are already doing some effort to read the scriptures....and asking what it means that it take some effort to get awareness...?... Marc These days my effort to read the scriptures is very small. It is like reading a book or magazine in the waiting room of the dentist. I read the Upanishads accidentally when hitchhiking in Spain ~ 1975, the book was in a shelf in the van I was riding. I saw the unreadable title so out of curiosity I took it and read. It was a pretty nice " experience " - I really enjoyed it. It was my first contact with the those people of wisdom from the past (also wandering what is the nature of the " I " ) -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Marc > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:02 AM > Re: A pretty good advita blog. > > > > - > Marc > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:23 AM > Re: A pretty good advita blog. > > The (real) Self who experience that only Brahman is real... > > experience that this appearent " Atman " or mentionned " Self (Atman) " ... > > is an appearent form of Brahman only. > > And nothing else. > > Means, that indeed only Brahman is real > > ... > > Marc > > In the Upanishads, seems to me, " atman " is the ultimate, the ground, > awareness - realized by the human being that is just a fragment of the > universe. Atman is the real just as Brahman. The former is the drop, the > later the ocean. > -geo- > > this means that this your described " Atman " could be seen as the before > mentionned real Self....when there is " awareness " > > ... > > but this " fragment of the universe " can't be Atman.....in the case of Atman > being equal to Brahman > > ... > > the drop is not the ocean > > ... > > the ocean is not the drop > > ... > > it take some effort to this your mentionned " Atman " to get awareness > > ... > > when there is awareness... .there is only Brahman left > > ... > > like ever before > > ... > > Marc > > I dont know marc. We would have to decipher (translate properly the meaning > they imparted to them) words like atman and brahman to be able to talk about > them, but, as I see it, atman is brahman in the same measure as the drop is > the same as the ocean. None of them is treated in the scriptures as the ego. > I dont understand what you mean with " it take some effort to this your > mentionned " Atman " to get awareness " > -geo- > > the scriptures were maybe written by people without any ego(-problems) > anymore... > -marc- > > Many probably have been writen by people who knew all is one. > -geo- > > therefore the scriptures get often high attention by ego-freaks...who are > realy trying " everything " to keep on dreaming....and think that this their > little imaginary ego is equal to an " ocean " ... > this their little imaginary ego " who " has made some fantastic experiences > and therefore must be " enlightened " ...etc...etc > -marc- > > The people who read scriptures are many. There are all kinds of readers. > -geo- > > you are already doing some effort to read the scriptures....and asking what > it means that it take some effort to get awareness...?... > > > > Marc > > These days my effort to read the scriptures is very small. It is like > reading a book or magazine in the waiting room of the dentist. I read the > Upanishads accidentally when hitchhiking in Spain ~ 1975, the book was in a > shelf in the van I was riding. I saw the unreadable title so out of > curiosity I took it and read. It was a pretty nice " experience " - I really > enjoyed it. It was my first contact with the those people of wisdom from the > past (also wandering what is the nature of the " I " ) > -geo- ah your first time. what a timely tome for you then huh? on'es firsties are always one's besties. but whether is' your first or your last.. one thing is true: sex never sux. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 - geo Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:45 PM Re: A pretty good advita blog. - Marc Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:02 AM Re: A pretty good advita blog. - Marc Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:23 AM Re: A pretty good advita blog. The (real) Self who experience that only Brahman is real... experience that this appearent " Atman " or mentionned " Self (Atman) " ... is an appearent form of Brahman only. And nothing else. Means, that indeed only Brahman is real .... Marc In the Upanishads, seems to me, " atman " is the ultimate, the ground, awareness - realized by the human being that is just a fragment of the universe. Atman is the real just as Brahman. The former is the drop, the later the ocean. -geo- this means that this your described " Atman " could be seen as the before mentionned real Self....when there is " awareness " .... but this " fragment of the universe " can't be Atman.....in the case of Atman being equal to Brahman .... the drop is not the ocean .... the ocean is not the drop .... it take some effort to this your mentionned " Atman " to get awareness .... when there is awareness... .there is only Brahman left .... like ever before .... Marc I dont know marc. We would have to decipher (translate properly the meaning they imparted to them) words like atman and brahman to be able to talk about them, but, as I see it, atman is brahman in the same measure as the drop is the same as the ocean. None of them is treated in the scriptures as the ego. I dont understand what you mean with " it take some effort to this your mentionned " Atman " to get awareness " -geo- the scriptures were maybe written by people without any ego(-problems) anymore... -marc- Many probably have been writen by people who knew all is one. -geo- therefore the scriptures get often high attention by ego-freaks...who are realy trying " everything " to keep on dreaming....and think that this their little imaginary ego is equal to an " ocean " ... this their little imaginary ego " who " has made some fantastic experiences and therefore must be " enlightened " ...etc...etc -marc- The people who read scriptures are many. There are all kinds of readers. -geo- you are already doing some effort to read the scriptures....and asking what it means that it take some effort to get awareness...?... Marc These days my effort to read the scriptures is very small. It is like reading a book or magazine in the waiting room of the dentist. I read the Upanishads accidentally when hitchhiking in Spain ~ 1975, the book was in a shelf in the van I was riding. I saw the unreadable title so out of curiosity I took it and read. It was a pretty nice " experience " - I really enjoyed it. It was my first contact with the those people of wisdom from the past (also wandering what is the nature of the " I " ) BTW...what about your effort in reading these posts? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 I dont know marc. We would have to decipher (translate properly the meaning they imparted to them) words like atman and brahman to be able to talk about them, but, as I see it, atman is brahman in the same measure as the drop is the same as the ocean. None of them is treated in the scriptures as the ego. I dont understand what you mean with " it take some effort to this your mentionned " Atman " to get awareness " -geo- the scriptures were maybe written by people without any ego(-problems) anymore... -marc- Many probably have been writen by people who knew all is one. -geo- therefore the scriptures get often high attention by ego-freaks.. .who are realy trying " everything " to keep on dreaming.... and think that this their little imaginary ego is equal to an " ocean " ... this their little imaginary ego " who " has made some fantastic experiences and therefore must be " enlightened " ...etc... etc -marc- The people who read scriptures are many. There are all kinds of readers. -geo- you are already doing some effort to read the scriptures.. ..and asking what it means that it take some effort to get awareness... ?... Marc These days my effort to read the scriptures is very small. It is like reading a book or magazine in the waiting room of the dentist. I read the Upanishads accidentally when hitchhiking in Spain ~ 1975, the book was in a shelf in the van I was riding. I saw the unreadable title so out of curiosity I took it and read. It was a pretty nice " experience " - I really enjoyed it. It was my first contact with the those people of wisdom from the past (also wandering what is the nature of the " I " ) -geo- no more efforts?.... except the effort to remind some past moments...? that's not much indeed... maybe have a flight back to 1975 then....and try again something more effective lol Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 - Marc Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:28 PM Re: A pretty good advita blog. I dont know marc. We would have to decipher (translate properly the meaning they imparted to them) words like atman and brahman to be able to talk about them, but, as I see it, atman is brahman in the same measure as the drop is the same as the ocean. None of them is treated in the scriptures as the ego. I dont understand what you mean with " it take some effort to this your mentionned " Atman " to get awareness " -geo- the scriptures were maybe written by people without any ego(-problems) anymore... -marc- Many probably have been writen by people who knew all is one. -geo- therefore the scriptures get often high attention by ego-freaks.. .who are realy trying " everything " to keep on dreaming.... and think that this their little imaginary ego is equal to an " ocean " ... this their little imaginary ego " who " has made some fantastic experiences and therefore must be " enlightened " ...etc... etc -marc- The people who read scriptures are many. There are all kinds of readers. -geo- you are already doing some effort to read the scriptures.. ..and asking what it means that it take some effort to get awareness... ?... Marc These days my effort to read the scriptures is very small. It is like reading a book or magazine in the waiting room of the dentist. I read the Upanishads accidentally when hitchhiking in Spain ~ 1975, the book was in a shelf in the van I was riding. I saw the unreadable title so out of curiosity I took it and read. It was a pretty nice " experience " - I really enjoyed it. It was my first contact with the those people of wisdom from the past (also wandering what is the nature of the " I " ) -geo- no more efforts?.... except the effort to remind some past moments...? that's not much indeed... maybe have a flight back to 1975 then....and try again something more effective lol Marc I did not understand very well what you are trying to say.... but I am not searching anything. Nothing is not this, there is nothing to get, nothing " else " to become. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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