Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Everything I was criticising and attacking here on this list as 'non-dual philosophy' had already a name before: Neo-Advaita. I didn't know that it was already known and was denoteded as Neo-Advaita. I only realized it's stupidity and that it was just bullshit. Please read and study the passage below and you will see that we have already three Neo-Advaitists on this Nis list. Let's see if you can point at these candidates after having read the article below ? Werner The Neo-Advaita Shellgame ------------------------- Contrast this with what is necessary according to Neo-Advaita. Which is nothing. Absolutely nothing is necessary except for a strategy of denial. Neo-Advaita teachers simply declare or fool themselves into believing that their identity/ego doesn't exist, in fact, that nothing really exists and everything is simply an illusion. This can easily done by anyone, just give it a try and you'll see. Take a few minutes now and start rebuffing everything you perceive, everything that comes up in yourself, including yourself. If and when you do this regularly, you may find yourself getting hooked by the fundamental Neo-Advaita trickery. Of course there is also a bit of cheating necessary. You need to be ready and willing to deny values and ethics and if you are ready and willing to cheat yourself then you're ready to be enlightened the Neo-Advaita way. Having integrated Neo-Advaita will bring up the joy of a constant feeling of superiority. You will also be rewarded with the feeling of constant rightness and will never be proven wrong anymore no matter what you say or do. Simply because nothing is real – all is illusion. Who is there to be wrong? Merde ! Traditional Advaita says that the ego is an illusion. The `Satsang Prophets' emphasize this as THE starting point, completely omitting that this realization may only occur at the end of years of self-inquiry and work on oneself (and not necessarily with any certainty). Once this premise is understood and the self-cheating is engaged, one obtains a constant very pleasant feeling of superiority and invulnerability. This is what they regard as being the ultimate accomplishment and they believe that it is the same as that lived and taught by Ramana Maharshi, Nisargadatta Maharaj and even Shankara, although in reality it's nothing but the Neo-Advaita version of nihilism. (If this is what you're looking for Parsons, Tolle, Balsekar and their cohorts are a good choice for teachers.) Giving satsang allows them the opportunity to meet obedient and easily hypnotized listeners to whom they can teach what apparently is so easy to understand: 'Everything is just an illusion.' Below are other common features of these teachers: 1. " Uncomfortable " questions are evaded. The evasion strategy is easy because in the background there is a safe haven: neither I nor the other exist. 2. Essence - Essential Value is seen on the same level as identity: as being non-existent. 3. An attitude of utter arrogance/vanity (How can I be wrong? The one who can be wrong doesn't exist, only those who still believe that there is anything other than illusion are wrong). 4. Total absence of humility ( " who cares? " ) and ethics. The result is mind-f_____g at it's purest - spiced with some borrowed and misunderstood Advaita wisdom. A real seeker is one who has the desire, commitment and talent to 'make' it. But it's difficult for me to say if a real seeker automatically has the discrimination to avoid falling into the Neo-Advaita trap. There may be a question of destiny, luck and/or grace involved. Some adepts who have difficulties in switching off the self-delusion have ended up in mental hospitals (paranoid syndrome), others have had the courage to jump to the teacher role and give satsang which gives their 'non-existent' ego the recognition and food for continued survival. Life becomes a play between 'enlightened' nihilistics or between a self-declared nihilist and an ignorant fool who just serves as 'confirmation-that-I'm-right' food. As this is so obvious, there seems to be a kind of collective self-hypnosis that is happening on a relatively large scale. Neo-Advaitins tend to evade inquiring questions because these types of questions challenge their axiom 'that they don't exist and everything is an illusion.' Instead they use words that disguise: " How can I be wrong since I don't exist as a separate 'I'? Therefore I am always right. More here: http://www.oprah.com/community/message/510849 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Thanks Werner! Same article is here too: http://spiritualteachers.org/neo_advaita_article.htm I found following sections particularly interesting: .... Occasionally these self proclaimed 'enlightened or awakened masters' even believe themselves to be superior or more advanced than their own teachers. For example Tony Parsons has declared that Ramana Maharshi was obviously still living from duality and Andrew Cohen has said that his guru Poonjaji was not enlightened – in other words both Maharshi and Poonjaji were asleep and Parsons and Cohen are awake. Yeah, right! .... Q: " How can the absolute be the result of a process? " Nisargadatta: " You are right, the relative cannot result in the absolute. But the relative can block the absolute, just as the non-churning of the cream may prevent butter from separating. It is the real that creates the urge; the inner prompts the outer and the outer responds in interest and effort. " " You seem to want instant insight, forgetting that the instant is always preceded by a long preparation. The fruit falls suddenly, but the ripening takes time. " " The way to truth lies through the destruction of the false. To destroy the false, you must question your most inveterate beliefs. " .... ================================== Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Everything I was criticising and attacking here on this list as 'non-dual philosophy' had already a name before: Neo-Advaita. > > I didn't know that it was already known and was denoteded as Neo-Advaita. I only realized it's stupidity and that it was just bullshit. > > Please read and study the passage below and you will see that we have already three Neo-Advaitists on this Nis list. > > Let's see if you can point at these candidates after having read the article below ? > > Werner > [...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 wernie.. nobody cares. nobody cares what you criticize. nobody cares what you don't know or didn't know. nobody cares what tripe you read. no body cares about your whining and pissing and moaning. nobody cares about your dumb ass call for votes. nobody cares about your requests for anything. nobody cares. don't you get it? you are a sorry ass loser. :-) ..b b.b. ******************************NNB************************************* Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Everything I was criticising and attacking here on this list as 'non-dual philosophy' had already a name before: Neo-Advaita. > > I didn't know that it was already known and was denoteded as Neo-Advaita. I only realized it's stupidity and that it was just bullshit. > > Please read and study the passage below and you will see that we have already three Neo-Advaitists on this Nis list. > > Let's see if you can point at these candidates after having read the article below ? > > Werner > > > The Neo-Advaita Shellgame > ------------------------- > > Contrast this with what is necessary according to Neo-Advaita. Which > is nothing. Absolutely nothing is necessary except for a strategy of > denial. Neo-Advaita teachers simply declare or fool themselves into > believing that their identity/ego doesn't exist, in fact, that nothing > really exists and everything is simply an illusion. > > This can easily done by anyone, just give it a try and you'll > see. Take a few minutes now and start rebuffing everything you > perceive, everything that comes up in yourself, including yourself. If > and when you do this regularly, you may find yourself getting hooked by > the fundamental Neo-Advaita trickery. Of course there is also a bit of > cheating necessary. You need to be ready and willing to deny values and > ethics and if you are ready and willing to cheat yourself then you're > ready to be enlightened the Neo-Advaita way. > > Having integrated Neo-Advaita will bring up the joy of a > constant feeling of superiority. You will also be rewarded with the > feeling of constant rightness and will never be proven wrong anymore no > matter what you say or do. Simply because nothing is real – all is > illusion. Who is there to be wrong? Merde ! > > Traditional Advaita says that the ego is an illusion. The > `Satsang Prophets' emphasize this as THE starting point, completely > omitting that this realization may only occur at the end of years of > self-inquiry and work on oneself (and not necessarily with any > certainty). Once this premise is understood and the self-cheating is > engaged, one obtains a constant very pleasant feeling of superiority > and invulnerability. This is what they regard as being the ultimate > accomplishment and they believe that it is the same as that lived and > taught by Ramana Maharshi, Nisargadatta Maharaj and even Shankara, > although in reality it's nothing but the Neo-Advaita version of > nihilism. (If this is what you're looking for Parsons, Tolle, Balsekar > and their cohorts are a good choice for teachers.) > > Giving satsang allows them the opportunity to meet obedient and > easily hypnotized listeners to whom they can teach what apparently is > so easy to understand: 'Everything is just an illusion.' > > Below are other common features of these teachers: > 1. " Uncomfortable " questions are evaded. The evasion strategy is easy > because in the background there is a safe haven: neither I nor the > other exist. > 2. Essence - Essential Value is seen on the same level as identity: as being non-existent. > 3. An attitude of utter arrogance/vanity (How can I be wrong? The one > who can be wrong doesn't exist, only those who still believe that there > is anything other than illusion are wrong). > 4. Total absence of humility ( " who cares? " ) and ethics. > > The result is mind-f_____g at it's purest - spiced with some borrowed and misunderstood Advaita wisdom. > > A real seeker is one who has the desire, commitment and talent > to 'make' it. But it's difficult for me to say if a real seeker > automatically has the discrimination to avoid falling into the > Neo-Advaita trap. There may be a question of destiny, luck and/or grace > involved. > > Some adepts who have difficulties in switching off the > self-delusion have ended up in mental hospitals (paranoid syndrome), > others have had the courage to jump to the teacher role and give > satsang which gives their 'non-existent' ego the recognition and food > for continued survival. > > Life becomes a play between 'enlightened' nihilistics or > between a self-declared nihilist and an ignorant fool who just serves > as 'confirmation-that-I'm-right' food. As this is so obvious, there > seems to be a kind of collective self-hypnosis that is happening on a > relatively large scale. > > Neo-Advaitins tend to evade inquiring questions because these > types of questions challenge their axiom 'that they don't exist and > everything is an illusion.' Instead they use words that disguise: " How > can I be wrong since I don't exist as a separate 'I'? Therefore I am > always right. > > More here: > > http://www.oprah.com/community/message/510849 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 are you feeling lonely ac? everyone and everything is Alone. loneliness however is optional. it brings about " things " like that which you now encourage. but you stay Alone no matter. those 'things' like wernie make nice toys. don't take them seriously though. nor your " self " :-) ..b b.b. Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Thanks Werner! > > Same article is here too: > > http://spiritualteachers.org/neo_advaita_article.htm > > > > > I found following sections particularly interesting: > > > ... > > Occasionally these self proclaimed 'enlightened or awakened masters' even believe themselves to be superior or more advanced than their own teachers. For example Tony Parsons has declared that Ramana Maharshi was obviously still living from duality and Andrew Cohen has said that his guru Poonjaji was not enlightened – in other words both Maharshi and Poonjaji were asleep and Parsons and Cohen are awake. Yeah, right! > > ... > > Q: " How can the absolute be the result of a process? " > > Nisargadatta: " You are right, the relative cannot result in the absolute. But the relative can block the absolute, just as the non-churning of the cream may prevent butter from separating. It is the real that creates the urge; the inner prompts the outer and the outer responds in interest and effort. " " You seem to want instant insight, forgetting that the instant is always preceded by a long preparation. The fruit falls suddenly, but the ripening takes time. " > > " The way to truth lies through the destruction of the false. To destroy the false, you must question your most inveterate beliefs. " > > ... > > > > ================================== > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Everything I was criticising and attacking here on this list as 'non-dual philosophy' had already a name before: Neo-Advaita. > > > > I didn't know that it was already known and was denoteded as Neo-Advaita. I only realized it's stupidity and that it was just bullshit. > > > > Please read and study the passage below and you will see that we have already three Neo-Advaitists on this Nis list. > > > > Let's see if you can point at these candidates after having read the article below ? > > > > Werner > > > [...] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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