Is enlightenment Mental Or Physical... or, Both? / Lene

January 24, 2010

Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote:

>

> > Listening to J. Krishnamurti speak was like eating a sandwich made of bread

and sand. I found the best way to enjoy his talks was to completely ignore his

words and quietly absorb his presence. Using that technique I would become so

expanded after a lecture that I could barely talk for hours afterwards.

>

> ROFLOL!

>

> I know what you mean ...

>

> Nice message all in all - most elucidating

>

> My first " spiritual " book was one of Rajneesh's

> and I found it most exciting an wanted more and

> more and give me more!

Rajneesh became famous in India as a " sex guru " . When I was teenager growing up

in India, I didn't hear about Ramana, JK or Niz, but, I did hear about

Ranjneesh. A famous national magazine published article on him, people talked

about him. He got ample free publicity because of talking about " sex " .

When I was sixteen year old, I bought a book by Osho. However, I didn't

understand it that that well and thus, stopped reading.

When I was about twenty years old, I bought his book(s) again and this is how I

learned to meditate. Through his books is how I learned about JK and ultimately,

Ramana too.

His logic appealed to me. I find his oratory very captivating and his methods

pretty simple and efficient. I had no hope or wish for enlightenment or jnana or

of finding out " Who Am I? " . But, I enjoyed meditation immensely and I greatly

enjoyed the expanded feeling and some 'body-less-ness' that meditation

generated. I also greatly enjoyed the Clarity, Love and " lack of fear " that came

out of Meditation!

Most beneficial and important, yet was... the " Self Acceptance " !

>

> & I forgot all about him and the years went by.

>

> One fine day, when with a couple of other drama

> queens I heard them talk of one " Osho " had died

> and they almost shed tears & were so sad for so

> is it with drama-queens. It is what they do you

> see or should I say we?

>

> I laughed and giggled and could not stop and that

> was the expiration of my admiration for Rajneesh.

>

> -Lene

>

January 24, 2010

> Most beneficial and important, yet was... the " Self Acceptance " !

what self is supposed to be accepted and by whom?

you're playing games and you know it and it's stupid.

..b b.b.

January 25, 2010

Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> >

> > > Listening to J. Krishnamurti speak was like eating a sandwich made of

bread and sand. I found the best way to enjoy his talks was to completely

ignore his words and quietly absorb his presence. Using that technique I would

become so expanded after a lecture that I could barely talk for hours

afterwards.

> >

> > ROFLOL!

> >

> > I know what you mean ...

> >

> > Nice message all in all - most elucidating

> >

> > My first " spiritual " book was one of Rajneesh's

> > and I found it most exciting an wanted more and

> > more and give me more!

>

> Rajneesh became famous in India as a " sex guru " . When I was teenager growing

up in India, I didn't hear about Ramana, JK or Niz, but, I did hear about

Ranjneesh. A famous national magazine published article on him, people talked

about him. He got ample free publicity because of talking about " sex " .

>

> When I was sixteen year old, I bought a book by Osho. However, I didn't

understand it that that well and thus, stopped reading.

>

> When I was about twenty years old, I bought his book(s) again and this is how

I learned to meditate. Through his books is how I learned about JK and

ultimately, Ramana too.

>

> His logic appealed to me. I find his oratory very captivating and his methods

pretty simple and efficient. I had no hope or wish for enlightenment or jnana or

of finding out " Who Am I? " . But, I enjoyed meditation immensely and I greatly

enjoyed the expanded feeling and some 'body-less-ness' that meditation

generated. I also greatly enjoyed the Clarity, Love and " lack of fear " that came

out of Meditation!

>

> Most beneficial and important, yet was... the " Self Acceptance " !

Very well, Adithya. Since Pete has proclaimed you and me to be

the only enlightened ones on this list - which I have regarded

a absolute puzzle till I read this message because it was sort

of clear to me that if you were enlightened I was not and vice

versa, given that to be enlightened is the same for all -- bla

bla and bla

I have run out of words and breath.

I bow to you, and wish you the best. Thanks for sharing YOU

The only way I meditate these days is qua holding my tongue

Love

Lene

PS. I was absolutely crazy about Rajneesh - and am sure it was

because he cast a spell of erotica mixed with 'holiness' on me

- but those were the days, my friend - and thank goodness they

have gone. It is over. No more sweat, tears, and blood - knock

on wood )

When I was thirty I would meditate in order to die explode, go

away - stop being, but I did not succeed till much later - and

when it happened it was not invited.

Shit, we never seem to get it the way and time we want, do we?

But we sure get it, don't we

Bye bye, and please stop posting all that crap, please please

and just talk like you did it above.

I take crap from noone and I give crap to noone.

You may want to check the last one out again.

Last, but not least:

I was always more of an observer of than a participant in the

game of life but whenever I participate, I die harder than

steel and softer than cotton.

January 25, 2010

>

>L: Very well, Adithya. Since Pete has proclaimed you and me to be

> the only enlightened ones on this list - which I have regarded

> a absolute puzzle till I read this message because it was sort

> of clear to me that if you were enlightened I was not and vice

> versa, given that to be enlightened is the same for all -- bla

> bla and bla

>

> P: So you think enlightenment is always the same?

Think again! What kind of boring crap would that

enlightenment be then? No, enlightenment keeps flowing

throw your greedy fingers like water does. You can never

taste the same enlightenment twice, you can't own it,

call it mine.

January 25, 2010

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> >

> >L: Very well, Adithya. Since Pete has proclaimed you and me to be

> > the only enlightened ones on this list - which I have regarded

> > a absolute puzzle till I read this message because it was sort

> > of clear to me that if you were enlightened I was not and vice

> > versa, given that to be enlightened is the same for all -- bla

> > bla and bla

> >

> > P: So you think enlightenment is always the same?

> Think again! What kind of boring crap would that

> enlightenment be then? No, enlightenment keeps flowing

> throw your greedy fingers like water does. You can never

> taste the same enlightenment twice, you can't own it,

> call it mine.

oh My children..

whereas Enlightenment doth posses thee at all Time...

" IT " is not a " property " of anyone.

baba left the scene before it became Manifest.

and this is how it is that it is.

So Be It.

Bless baba .b b.b. the One and Only.

Thus now permission is hereby given..

and forgiveness already prepared for you..

for it is the Wisdom of Bob that He " KNOWS " ..

by this TRUTH all of you are bound without choice to feel:

that you have been affronted..

in deed that you MUST " feel " aggrieved...

and forced thereby to disagree.

and this is likely to come out in sordid and disrespectful words.

go ahead My children.

" I " (not " i " of baba " ) allow you this indiscretion.

for you know not what you do.

you are forgiven again and again.

except for the dumb ass stuff some of you come up with.

but..

that too shall pass.

This is My Promise.

and God's smile :-)

..b b.b.

January 25, 2010

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> >

> >L: Very well, Adithya. Since Pete has proclaimed you and me to be

> > the only enlightened ones on this list - which I have regarded

> > a absolute puzzle till I read this message because it was sort

> > of clear to me that if you were enlightened I was not and vice

> > versa, given that to be enlightened is the same for all -- bla

> > bla and bla

> >

> > P: So you think enlightenment is always the same?

> Think again! What kind of boring crap would that

> enlightenment be then? No, enlightenment keeps flowing

> throw your greedy fingers like water does. You can never

> taste the same enlightenment twice, you can't own it,

> call it mine.

There there, in that case we are all enlightened - not?

I do not know what enlightenment is period.

Conc crap: not all at all which AC has posted is what I

call crap - only such as " hormones of love " -- and such

as.

But then I only read very little of it because I did not

know - whether she was reporting " own stuff " or " loaned "

stuff or what, and I did not know whether she was joking

or what.

What Werner for example reports about the brain & how it

functions is " crap " to me for many reasons, one of which

is that to deduce that since one brain functions so and

so -- all brains function so and so -- is bull - however

enlightened the bull

You do not really believe in this enlightenment-crap, do

you Pete? Or - perhaps you know what it is?

If yes - please enlighten me and say what it is.

-Lene

January 25, 2010

Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >L: Very well, Adithya. Since Pete has proclaimed you and me to be

> > > the only enlightened ones on this list - which I have regarded

> > > a absolute puzzle till I read this message because it was sort

> > > of clear to me that if you were enlightened I was not and vice

> > > versa, given that to be enlightened is the same for all -- bla

> > > bla and bla

> > >

> > > P: So you think enlightenment is always the same?

> > Think again! What kind of boring crap would that

> > enlightenment be then? No, enlightenment keeps flowing

> > throw your greedy fingers like water does. You can never

> > taste the same enlightenment twice, you can't own it,

> > call it mine.

>

> oh My children..

>

> whereas Enlightenment doth posses thee at all Time...

>

> " IT " is not a " property " of anyone.

>

> baba left the scene before it became Manifest.

>

> and this is how it is that it is.

>

> So Be It.

>

> Bless baba .b b.b. the One and Only.

>

> Thus now permission is hereby given..

>

> and forgiveness already prepared for you..

>

> for it is the Wisdom of Bob that He " KNOWS " ..

>

> by this TRUTH all of you are bound without choice to feel:

>

> that you have been affronted..

>

> in deed that you MUST " feel " aggrieved...

>

> and forced thereby to disagree.

>

> and this is likely to come out in sordid and disrespectful words.

>

> go ahead My children.

>

> " I " (not " i " of baba " ) allow you this indiscretion.

>

> for you know not what you do.

>

> you are forgiven again and again.

>

> except for the dumb ass stuff some of you come up with.

>

> but..

>

> that too shall pass.

>

> This is My Promise.

>

> and God's smile :-)

>

> .b b.b.

Maybe

This I say to you:

When you [know you] are enlightened

You are not enlightened

There is NO way to know

one is enlightened

-Mama

January 25, 2010

Therefore:

When you are enlightened

You are not enlightened.

-Lene

Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >L: Very well, Adithya. Since Pete has proclaimed you and me to be

> > > > the only enlightened ones on this list - which I have regarded

> > > > a absolute puzzle till I read this message because it was sort

> > > > of clear to me that if you were enlightened I was not and vice

> > > > versa, given that to be enlightened is the same for all -- bla

> > > > bla and bla

> > > >

> > > > P: So you think enlightenment is always the same?

> > > Think again! What kind of boring crap would that

> > > enlightenment be then? No, enlightenment keeps flowing

> > > throw your greedy fingers like water does. You can never

> > > taste the same enlightenment twice, you can't own it,

> > > call it mine.

> >

> > oh My children..

> >

> > whereas Enlightenment doth posses thee at all Time...

> >

> > " IT " is not a " property " of anyone.

> >

> > baba left the scene before it became Manifest.

> >

> > and this is how it is that it is.

> >

> > So Be It.

> >

> > Bless baba .b b.b. the One and Only.

> >

> > Thus now permission is hereby given..

> >

> > and forgiveness already prepared for you..

> >

> > for it is the Wisdom of Bob that He " KNOWS " ..

> >

> > by this TRUTH all of you are bound without choice to feel:

> >

> > that you have been affronted..

> >

> > in deed that you MUST " feel " aggrieved...

> >

> > and forced thereby to disagree.

> >

> > and this is likely to come out in sordid and disrespectful words.

> >

> > go ahead My children.

> >

> > " I " (not " i " of baba " ) allow you this indiscretion.

> >

> > for you know not what you do.

> >

> > you are forgiven again and again.

> >

> > except for the dumb ass stuff some of you come up with.

> >

> > but..

> >

> > that too shall pass.

> >

> > This is My Promise.

> >

> > and God's smile :-)

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> Maybe

>

> This I say to you:

>

> When you [know you] are enlightened

> You are not enlightened

>

> There is NO way to know

> one is enlightened

>

> -Mama

>

January 25, 2010

Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >L: Very well, Adithya. Since Pete has proclaimed you and me to be

> > > > the only enlightened ones on this list - which I have regarded

> > > > a absolute puzzle till I read this message because it was sort

> > > > of clear to me that if you were enlightened I was not and vice

> > > > versa, given that to be enlightened is the same for all -- bla

> > > > bla and bla

> > > >

> > > > P: So you think enlightenment is always the same?

> > > Think again! What kind of boring crap would that

> > > enlightenment be then? No, enlightenment keeps flowing

> > > throw your greedy fingers like water does. You can never

> > > taste the same enlightenment twice, you can't own it,

> > > call it mine.

> >

> > oh My children..

> >

> > whereas Enlightenment doth posses thee at all Time...

> >

> > " IT " is not a " property " of anyone.

> >

> > baba left the scene before it became Manifest.

> >

> > and this is how it is that it is.

> >

> > So Be It.

> >

> > Bless baba .b b.b. the One and Only.

> >

> > Thus now permission is hereby given..

> >

> > and forgiveness already prepared for you..

> >

> > for it is the Wisdom of Bob that He " KNOWS " ..

> >

> > by this TRUTH all of you are bound without choice to feel:

> >

> > that you have been affronted..

> >

> > in deed that you MUST " feel " aggrieved...

> >

> > and forced thereby to disagree.

> >

> > and this is likely to come out in sordid and disrespectful words.

> >

> > go ahead My children.

> >

> > " I " (not " i " of baba " ) allow you this indiscretion.

> >

> > for you know not what you do.

> >

> > you are forgiven again and again.

> >

> > except for the dumb ass stuff some of you come up with.

> >

> > but..

> >

> > that too shall pass.

> >

> > This is My Promise.

> >

> > and God's smile :-)

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> Maybe

>

> This I say to you:

>

> When you [know you] are enlightened

> You are not enlightened

>

> There is NO way to know

> one is enlightened

>

> -Mama

no of course not.

but baba knows that no one will agree that he is.

yet I AM.

..b b.b.

January 25, 2010

Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >L: Very well, Adithya. Since Pete has proclaimed you and me to be

> > > > > the only enlightened ones on this list - which I have regarded

> > > > > a absolute puzzle till I read this message because it was sort

> > > > > of clear to me that if you were enlightened I was not and vice

> > > > > versa, given that to be enlightened is the same for all -- bla

> > > > > bla and bla

> > > > >

> > > > > P: So you think enlightenment is always the same?

> > > > Think again! What kind of boring crap would that

> > > > enlightenment be then? No, enlightenment keeps flowing

> > > > throw your greedy fingers like water does. You can never

> > > > taste the same enlightenment twice, you can't own it,

> > > > call it mine.

> > >

> > > oh My children..

> > >

> > > whereas Enlightenment doth posses thee at all Time...

> > >

> > > " IT " is not a " property " of anyone.

> > >

> > > baba left the scene before it became Manifest.

> > >

> > > and this is how it is that it is.

> > >

> > > So Be It.

> > >

> > > Bless baba .b b.b. the One and Only.

> > >

> > > Thus now permission is hereby given..

> > >

> > > and forgiveness already prepared for you..

> > >

> > > for it is the Wisdom of Bob that He " KNOWS " ..

> > >

> > > by this TRUTH all of you are bound without choice to feel:

> > >

> > > that you have been affronted..

> > >

> > > in deed that you MUST " feel " aggrieved...

> > >

> > > and forced thereby to disagree.

> > >

> > > and this is likely to come out in sordid and disrespectful words.

> > >

> > > go ahead My children.

> > >

> > > " I " (not " i " of baba " ) allow you this indiscretion.

> > >

> > > for you know not what you do.

> > >

> > > you are forgiven again and again.

> > >

> > > except for the dumb ass stuff some of you come up with.

> > >

> > > but..

> > >

> > > that too shall pass.

> > >

> > > This is My Promise.

> > >

> > > and God's smile :-)

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> >

> > Maybe

> >

> > This I say to you:

> >

> > When you [know you] are enlightened

> > You are not enlightened

> >

> > There is NO way to know

> > one is enlightened

> >

> > -Mama

>

> no of course not.

>

> but baba knows that no one will agree that he is.

>

> yet I AM.

>

> .b b.b.

Therefore:

When you are not enlightened

You are enlightened.

Baba knows nothing.

When Baba is no one and no thing.

Baba knows not what Baba is.

Yet Baba is.

And is not.

-Mama

January 25, 2010

Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >L: Very well, Adithya. Since Pete has proclaimed you and me to be

> > > > > > the only enlightened ones on this list - which I have regarded

> > > > > > a absolute puzzle till I read this message because it was sort

> > > > > > of clear to me that if you were enlightened I was not and vice

> > > > > > versa, given that to be enlightened is the same for all -- bla

> > > > > > bla and bla

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P: So you think enlightenment is always the same?

> > > > > Think again! What kind of boring crap would that

> > > > > enlightenment be then? No, enlightenment keeps flowing

> > > > > throw your greedy fingers like water does. You can never

> > > > > taste the same enlightenment twice, you can't own it,

> > > > > call it mine.

> > > >

> > > > oh My children..

> > > >

> > > > whereas Enlightenment doth posses thee at all Time...

> > > >

> > > > " IT " is not a " property " of anyone.

> > > >

> > > > baba left the scene before it became Manifest.

> > > >

> > > > and this is how it is that it is.

> > > >

> > > > So Be It.

> > > >

> > > > Bless baba .b b.b. the One and Only.

> > > >

> > > > Thus now permission is hereby given..

> > > >

> > > > and forgiveness already prepared for you..

> > > >

> > > > for it is the Wisdom of Bob that He " KNOWS " ..

> > > >

> > > > by this TRUTH all of you are bound without choice to feel:

> > > >

> > > > that you have been affronted..

> > > >

> > > > in deed that you MUST " feel " aggrieved...

> > > >

> > > > and forced thereby to disagree.

> > > >

> > > > and this is likely to come out in sordid and disrespectful words.

> > > >

> > > > go ahead My children.

> > > >

> > > > " I " (not " i " of baba " ) allow you this indiscretion.

> > > >

> > > > for you know not what you do.

> > > >

> > > > you are forgiven again and again.

> > > >

> > > > except for the dumb ass stuff some of you come up with.

> > > >

> > > > but..

> > > >

> > > > that too shall pass.

> > > >

> > > > This is My Promise.

> > > >

> > > > and God's smile :-)

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > Maybe

> > >

> > > This I say to you:

> > >

> > > When you [know you] are enlightened

> > > You are not enlightened

> > >

> > > There is NO way to know

> > > one is enlightened

> > >

> > > -Mama

> >

> > no of course not.

> >

> > but baba knows that no one will agree that he is.

> >

> > yet I AM.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> Therefore:

>

> When you are not enlightened

> You are enlightened.

>

> Baba knows nothing.

>

> When Baba is no one and no thing.

>

> Baba knows not what Baba is.

>

> Yet Baba is.

>

> And is not.

>

> -Mama

sort of yes.

but i'm not sure.

until and unless i'm not.

sureness has no significance then.

..b b.b.

January 26, 2010

Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >L: Very well, Adithya. Since Pete has proclaimed you and me to be

> > > the only enlightened ones on this list - which I have regarded

> > > a absolute puzzle till I read this message because it was sort

> > > of clear to me that if you were enlightened I was not and vice

> > > versa, given that to be enlightened is the same for all -- bla

> > > bla and bla

> > >

> > > P: So you think enlightenment is always the same?

> > Think again! What kind of boring crap would that

> > enlightenment be then? No, enlightenment keeps flowing

> > throw your greedy fingers like water does. You can never

> > taste the same enlightenment twice, you can't own it,

> > call it mine.

>

> There there, in that case we are all enlightened - not?

>

> I do not know what enlightenment is period.

>

> Conc crap: not all at all which AC has posted is what I

> call crap - only such as " hormones of love " -- and such

> as.

>

> But then I only read very little of it because I did not

> know - whether she was reporting " own stuff " or " loaned "

> stuff or what, and I did not know whether she was joking

> or what.

>

> What Werner for example reports about the brain & how it

> functions is " crap " to me for many reasons, one of which

> is that to deduce that since one brain functions so and

> so -- all brains function so and so -- is bull - however

> enlightened the bull

>

> You do not really believe in this enlightenment-crap, do

> you Pete? Or - perhaps you know what it is?

>

> If yes - please enlighten me and say what it is.

>

> -Lene

P: Here you are, in this dance hall sitting in a corner,

and I go by and say, " you do look beautiful. " and you say,

" You are blind. Define beauty. " Well, if you feel ugly,

ugly you'll stay. No matter how much I define. See that's

the thing, it's not a knowing, it's a feeling.

>

January 26, 2010

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >L: Very well, Adithya. Since Pete has proclaimed you and me to be

> > > > the only enlightened ones on this list - which I have regarded

> > > > a absolute puzzle till I read this message because it was sort

> > > > of clear to me that if you were enlightened I was not and vice

> > > > versa, given that to be enlightened is the same for all -- bla

> > > > bla and bla

> > > >

> > > > P: So you think enlightenment is always the same?

> > > Think again! What kind of boring crap would that

> > > enlightenment be then? No, enlightenment keeps flowing

> > > throw your greedy fingers like water does. You can never

> > > taste the same enlightenment twice, you can't own it,

> > > call it mine.

> >

> > There there, in that case we are all enlightened - not?

> >

> > I do not know what enlightenment is period.

> >

> > Conc crap: not all at all which AC has posted is what I

> > call crap - only such as " hormones of love " -- and such

> > as.

> >

> > But then I only read very little of it because I did not

> > know - whether she was reporting " own stuff " or " loaned "

> > stuff or what, and I did not know whether she was joking

> > or what.

> >

> > What Werner for example reports about the brain & how it

> > functions is " crap " to me for many reasons, one of which

> > is that to deduce that since one brain functions so and

> > so -- all brains function so and so -- is bull - however

> > enlightened the bull

> >

> > You do not really believe in this enlightenment-crap, do

> > you Pete? Or - perhaps you know what it is?

> >

> > If yes - please enlighten me and say what it is.

> >

> > -Lene

>

> P: Here you are, in this dance hall sitting in a corner,

> and I go by and say, " you do look beautiful. " and you say,

> " You are blind. Define beauty. " Well, if you feel ugly,

> ugly you'll stay. No matter how much I define. See that's

> the thing, it's not a knowing, it's a feeling.

baba agrees.

I feel pretty

Oh so pretty

I feel pretty and witty and gay

(oh nay but it's in the song so what the hay)

And I pity

Any girl who isn't me today

I feel charming

Oh so charming

It's alarming how charming I feel

And so pretty

That I hardly can believe I'm real

See the pretty girl in that mirror there?

Who can that attractive girl be?

Such a pretty face

Such a pretty dress

Such a pretty smile

Such a pretty me!

I feel stunning

And entrancing

Feel like running

And dancing for joy

For I'm loved

By a pretty wonderful boy (now wait one goddamn minute here!)

ok but you get the idea.

the enlightened in feeling and song:

..b b.b.

January 26, 2010

Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >L: Very well, Adithya. Since Pete has proclaimed you and me to be

> > > > > > > the only enlightened ones on this list - which I have regarded

> > > > > > > a absolute puzzle till I read this message because it was sort

> > > > > > > of clear to me that if you were enlightened I was not and vice

> > > > > > > versa, given that to be enlightened is the same for all -- bla

> > > > > > > bla and bla

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > P: So you think enlightenment is always the same?

> > > > > > Think again! What kind of boring crap would that

> > > > > > enlightenment be then? No, enlightenment keeps flowing

> > > > > > throw your greedy fingers like water does. You can never

> > > > > > taste the same enlightenment twice, you can't own it,

> > > > > > call it mine.

> > > > >

> > > > > oh My children..

> > > > >

> > > > > whereas Enlightenment doth posses thee at all Time...

> > > > >

> > > > > " IT " is not a " property " of anyone.

> > > > >

> > > > > baba left the scene before it became Manifest.

> > > > >

> > > > > and this is how it is that it is.

> > > > >

> > > > > So Be It.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bless baba .b b.b. the One and Only.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus now permission is hereby given..

> > > > >

> > > > > and forgiveness already prepared for you..

> > > > >

> > > > > for it is the Wisdom of Bob that He " KNOWS " ..

> > > > >

> > > > > by this TRUTH all of you are bound without choice to feel:

> > > > >

> > > > > that you have been affronted..

> > > > >

> > > > > in deed that you MUST " feel " aggrieved...

> > > > >

> > > > > and forced thereby to disagree.

> > > > >

> > > > > and this is likely to come out in sordid and disrespectful words.

> > > > >

> > > > > go ahead My children.

> > > > >

> > > > > " I " (not " i " of baba " ) allow you this indiscretion.

> > > > >

> > > > > for you know not what you do.

> > > > >

> > > > > you are forgiven again and again.

> > > > >

> > > > > except for the dumb ass stuff some of you come up with.

> > > > >

> > > > > but..

> > > > >

> > > > > that too shall pass.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is My Promise.

> > > > >

> > > > > and God's smile :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > > > Maybe

> > > >

> > > > This I say to you:

> > > >

> > > > When you [know you] are enlightened

> > > > You are not enlightened

> > > >

> > > > There is NO way to know

> > > > one is enlightened

> > > >

> > > > -Mama

> > >

> > > no of course not.

> > >

> > > but baba knows that no one will agree that he is.

> > >

> > > yet I AM.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> >

> > Therefore:

> >

> > When you are not enlightened

> > You are enlightened.

> >

> > Baba knows nothing.

> >

> > When Baba is no one and no thing.

> >

> > Baba knows not what Baba is.

> >

> > Yet Baba is.

> >

> > And is not.

> >

> > -Mama

>

> sort of yes.

>

> but i'm not sure.

>

> until and unless i'm not.

>

> sureness has no significance then.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> .b b.b.

sure

-lene

January 26, 2010

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >L: Very well, Adithya. Since Pete has proclaimed you and me to be

> > > > the only enlightened ones on this list - which I have regarded

> > > > a absolute puzzle till I read this message because it was sort

> > > > of clear to me that if you were enlightened I was not and vice

> > > > versa, given that to be enlightened is the same for all -- bla

> > > > bla and bla

> > > >

> > > > P: So you think enlightenment is always the same?

> > > Think again! What kind of boring crap would that

> > > enlightenment be then? No, enlightenment keeps flowing

> > > throw your greedy fingers like water does. You can never

> > > taste the same enlightenment twice, you can't own it,

> > > call it mine.

> >

> > There there, in that case we are all enlightened - not?

> >

> > I do not know what enlightenment is period.

> >

> > Conc crap: not all at all which AC has posted is what I

> > call crap - only such as " hormones of love " -- and such

> > as.

> >

> > But then I only read very little of it because I did not

> > know - whether she was reporting " own stuff " or " loaned "

> > stuff or what, and I did not know whether she was joking

> > or what.

> >

> > What Werner for example reports about the brain & how it

> > functions is " crap " to me for many reasons, one of which

> > is that to deduce that since one brain functions so and

> > so -- all brains function so and so -- is bull - however

> > enlightened the bull

> >

> > You do not really believe in this enlightenment-crap, do

> > you Pete? Or - perhaps you know what it is?

> >

> > If yes - please enlighten me and say what it is.

> >

> > -Lene

>

> P: Here you are, in this dance hall sitting in a corner,

> and I go by and say, " you do look beautiful. " and you say,

> " You are blind. Define beauty. " Well, if you feel ugly,

> ugly you'll stay. No matter how much I define. See that's

> the thing, it's not a knowing, it's a feeling.

yes

i watched this tv-show where the wife wanted to have an

argument with her husband, because she was bored and he

thought well if that is what it takes & they had a nice

verbal fight for some time, and as they were resting he

said was it good? and she said wonderful, in fact i may

need to have another fight with you in say ten minutes

feeling rather than knowing

yes

thanks

you dont look too bad yourself

i come from a place where the people are known for their

understatements

-lene

January 26, 2010

Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >L: Very well, Adithya. Since Pete has proclaimed you and me to be

> > > > > > > > the only enlightened ones on this list - which I have regarded

> > > > > > > > a absolute puzzle till I read this message because it was sort

> > > > > > > > of clear to me that if you were enlightened I was not and vice

> > > > > > > > versa, given that to be enlightened is the same for all -- bla

> > > > > > > > bla and bla

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > P: So you think enlightenment is always the same?

> > > > > > > Think again! What kind of boring crap would that

> > > > > > > enlightenment be then? No, enlightenment keeps flowing

> > > > > > > throw your greedy fingers like water does. You can never

> > > > > > > taste the same enlightenment twice, you can't own it,

> > > > > > > call it mine.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > oh My children..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > whereas Enlightenment doth posses thee at all Time...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " IT " is not a " property " of anyone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > baba left the scene before it became Manifest.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and this is how it is that it is.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So Be It.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bless baba .b b.b. the One and Only.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus now permission is hereby given..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and forgiveness already prepared for you..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > for it is the Wisdom of Bob that He " KNOWS " ..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > by this TRUTH all of you are bound without choice to feel:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > that you have been affronted..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in deed that you MUST " feel " aggrieved...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and forced thereby to disagree.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and this is likely to come out in sordid and disrespectful words.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > go ahead My children.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " I " (not " i " of baba " ) allow you this indiscretion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > for you know not what you do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you are forgiven again and again.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > except for the dumb ass stuff some of you come up with.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > that too shall pass.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is My Promise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and God's smile :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > >

> > > > > Maybe

> > > > >

> > > > > This I say to you:

> > > > >

> > > > > When you [know you] are enlightened

> > > > > You are not enlightened

> > > > >

> > > > > There is NO way to know

> > > > > one is enlightened

> > > > >

> > > > > -Mama

> > > >

> > > > no of course not.

> > > >

> > > > but baba knows that no one will agree that he is.

> > > >

> > > > yet I AM.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > Therefore:

> > >

> > > When you are not enlightened

> > > You are enlightened.

> > >

> > > Baba knows nothing.

> > >

> > > When Baba is no one and no thing.

> > >

> > > Baba knows not what Baba is.

> > >

> > > Yet Baba is.

> > >

> > > And is not.

> > >

> > > -Mama

> >

> > sort of yes.

> >

> > but i'm not sure.

> >

> > until and unless i'm not.

> >

> > sureness has no significance then.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> sure

>

> -lene

see what i mean?

..b b.b.

January 26, 2010

Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >L: Very well, Adithya. Since Pete has proclaimed you and me to

be

> > > > > > > > > the only enlightened ones on this list - which I have regarded

> > > > > > > > > a absolute puzzle till I read this message because it was sort

> > > > > > > > > of clear to me that if you were enlightened I was not and vice

> > > > > > > > > versa, given that to be enlightened is the same for all -- bla

> > > > > > > > > bla and bla

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > P: So you think enlightenment is always the same?

> > > > > > > > Think again! What kind of boring crap would that

> > > > > > > > enlightenment be then? No, enlightenment keeps flowing

> > > > > > > > throw your greedy fingers like water does. You can never

> > > > > > > > taste the same enlightenment twice, you can't own it,

> > > > > > > > call it mine.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > oh My children..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > whereas Enlightenment doth posses thee at all Time...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " IT " is not a " property " of anyone.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > baba left the scene before it became Manifest.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and this is how it is that it is.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So Be It.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bless baba .b b.b. the One and Only.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thus now permission is hereby given..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and forgiveness already prepared for you..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > for it is the Wisdom of Bob that He " KNOWS " ..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > by this TRUTH all of you are bound without choice to feel:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > that you have been affronted..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in deed that you MUST " feel " aggrieved...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and forced thereby to disagree.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and this is likely to come out in sordid and disrespectful words.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > go ahead My children.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " I " (not " i " of baba " ) allow you this indiscretion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > for you know not what you do.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you are forgiven again and again.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > except for the dumb ass stuff some of you come up with.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > that too shall pass.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is My Promise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and God's smile :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Maybe

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This I say to you:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When you [know you] are enlightened

> > > > > > You are not enlightened

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is NO way to know

> > > > > > one is enlightened

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -Mama

> > > > >

> > > > > no of course not.

> > > > >

> > > > > but baba knows that no one will agree that he is.

> > > > >

> > > > > yet I AM.

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore:

> > > >

> > > > When you are not enlightened

> > > > You are enlightened.

> > > >

> > > > Baba knows nothing.

> > > >

> > > > When Baba is no one and no thing.

> > > >

> > > > Baba knows not what Baba is.

> > > >

> > > > Yet Baba is.

> > > >

> > > > And is not.

> > > >

> > > > -Mama

> > >

> > > sort of yes.

> > >

> > > but i'm not sure.

> > >

> > > until and unless i'm not.

> > >

> > > sureness has no significance then.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> >

> > sure

> >

> > -lene

>

> see what i mean?

>

> .b b.b.

Yes.

Ah - that was an insight!

Now, how am I to communicate that insight

took place if I am not to use words?

Care to dance?

Darn - those were words too

And those

And

An

A

½A

-Le

Is enlightenment Mental Or Physical... or, Both? / Lene

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