Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Nisargadatta , Bill Rishel <illusyn wrote: > > <snip> > > > > > P: Well, I don't know if it qualifies as a koan, > > > > but it's a very hard bone for a philosophical > > > > old dog to chew on. > > > > > > > > Negation in language is a dark horse. > > > > > > Classic! > > > > > > > It seems to be, > > > > while being not. Negation needs a positing of an > > > > existent to negate. So, as Sartre stated being precedes > > > > nothingness because all negations need a something to > > > > negate. A nothingness that negates no thing can only > > > > negate itself. And so, an ontological nothingness is > > > > the oxymoron par excellence. One, that never can > > > > transcends the realm of intuition, and be coherently > > > > verbalized. > > > > > > The word " nothingness " is a tarbaby, a gleam in a philosopher's > > > eye. And " nothing " more. > > > > > > The notion of " nothingness " , in any ontological sense, is > > > a philosophical muddle. But it can still be a useful idea > > > when it is seen as merely an idea, and not at as *reference > > > to something* (urr, nothing). > > > > > > Bill > > > > Yes, there's isn't any attempt to be referring to something. > > > > Hence, it's epistemological rather than ontological. > > Well, yes at least in the sense that epistemological seems > less fanciful than ontological. I mean, ontological seems > outright rubbish, while epistemological seems conceivably > legitimate. Maybe. > > > > > Has to do with the limitation of knowing, and of the known. > > Oooh.... hmmm... don't know! (Ah! and that not an intentional pun!) > > I can deal with a notion of " unknown " if only vaguely and > metaphorically, while a notion of " known " ... what the hell > is that?! Wherever that is, it must be in the same general > vicinity as unicorns. > > Bottom line: known and unknown both useless concepts > from this POV. In this richly saturated, pulsating moment > notions such as those have no bearing... but then notions > in general have no bearing for that matter. This livingness > out of which words seems to spew (occasionally)... just is... > notions of any kind have no more bearing than a few twirling > leaves have to the wind. The wind could not care less. > > Bill Yes, one fart and all is relieved. Just passing through, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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