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Nisargadatta , Bill Rishel <illusyn wrote:

>

> <snip>

>

> > > > P: Well, I don't know if it qualifies as a koan,

> > > > but it's a very hard bone for a philosophical

> > > > old dog to chew on.

> > > >

> > > > Negation in language is a dark horse.

> > >

> > > Classic!

> > >

> > > > It seems to be,

> > > > while being not. Negation needs a positing of an

> > > > existent to negate. So, as Sartre stated being precedes

> > > > nothingness because all negations need a something to

> > > > negate. A nothingness that negates no thing can only

> > > > negate itself. And so, an ontological nothingness is

> > > > the oxymoron par excellence. One, that never can

> > > > transcends the realm of intuition, and be coherently

> > > > verbalized.

> > >

> > > The word " nothingness " is a tarbaby, a gleam in a philosopher's

> > > eye. And " nothing " more.

> > >

> > > The notion of " nothingness " , in any ontological sense, is

> > > a philosophical muddle. But it can still be a useful idea

> > > when it is seen as merely an idea, and not at as *reference

> > > to something* (urr, nothing).

> > >

> > > Bill

> >

> > Yes, there's isn't any attempt to be referring to something.

> >

> > Hence, it's epistemological rather than ontological.

>

> Well, yes at least in the sense that epistemological seems

> less fanciful than ontological. I mean, ontological seems

> outright rubbish, while epistemological seems conceivably

> legitimate. Maybe.

>

> >

> > Has to do with the limitation of knowing, and of the known.

>

> Oooh.... hmmm... don't know! (Ah! and that not an intentional pun!)

>

> I can deal with a notion of " unknown " if only vaguely and

> metaphorically, while a notion of " known " ... what the hell

> is that?! Wherever that is, it must be in the same general

> vicinity as unicorns.

>

> Bottom line: known and unknown both useless concepts

> from this POV. In this richly saturated, pulsating moment

> notions such as those have no bearing... but then notions

> in general have no bearing for that matter. This livingness

> out of which words seems to spew (occasionally)... just is...

> notions of any kind have no more bearing than a few twirling

> leaves have to the wind. The wind could not care less.

>

> Bill

 

Yes, one fart and all is relieved.

 

Just passing through,

 

Dan

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