How to moderate a spiritual group

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ps. i don't agree with adi da's views but i find him funny.

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Hur, dear... if you never heard of anything spiritual.. but were curious... this

would be enough.

 

http://www.globalserve.net/~Sarlo/Yadi2.htm

 

 

Adi Waxing on Embodying Opposites

 

Adi Da is a complex man. As Bubba Free John in the 70s he impressed many with

his acute vision and articulate expression. Now he appears grandiose and aloof,

turning off many intelligent seekers with trippy and belligerent posturings. In

the interest of balance, these words below, typed by Anna in GRF from a pamphlet

accompanying his movie " Laughter. " A key paragraph below, in Navy, remarkably

prefigures his descent into terminal narcissism, while explaining why it should

be so, and why anyone might stay with him.

 

Devotee: So your influence remains even in other lifetimes for individuals once

they are connected to you?

 

BUBBA: It remains with those whose connection is with me, even those who are now

on this earth and who do not know Bubba Free John in the body. The influence is

working on them at this moment. They are having dreams, they are having

experiences because of my work. And yet they have never read a book about Bubba

Free John, have never heard about him, have never seen him in a vision that they

can remember! Nevertheless my work with them is just as specific as it is with

you who know me in this body. And it is the same after my death. The only

apparent difference is that my influence continues without any agency, without

any appearance whasoever of Bubba Free John in the manifest planes.

 

The work of my gross life, my manifestation in this form, is to establish this

transcendent connection to devotees, to establish individuals as devotees in

relationship to me. Then after my physical death in this gross plane, those who

have known me in the body will relate the transforming events of their sadhana

to me. But their transformation will not involve my specific and conscious

intervention any more than dreams involve my specific and conscious intervention

now while I am alive.

 

One of the things that really amazed me, not too many years ago, after the

period described in The Knee Of Listening, was that it did not make any

difference what state of life Franklin Jones lived. I could continue the same

work absolutely and the condition of my ordinary life did not make any

difference whatsoever, (However, this is not true of any of you!) But it was

very clear that what happened iin this body did not make any difference

whatsoever. This discovery was very amusing to me. It made it very possible for

me to begin to do in this body what was necessary to transform the lives of

students. It became possible for me to do my work. That work was not only

necessary for me to do, but it also became possible when I saw that what I had

to do did not change anything. The theatre of my work with students still

involves the same so-called negative effects of the gross being. I still have to

go through a purifying time to get the body and the gross life and its qualities

stable again. But even my involvement with you in the theatre of this gross life

does not change anything fundamentally.

 

All the changes in the planes of manifestation do not impinge upon this

realization, nor do they impinge upon the realization of the perfect devotee. He

or she may fulfill the law and still appear very ordinary. It is very

mysterious!

 

Look at you! Your basic assumption while sitting here is that you have this body

and you live in this place of other bodies and solid arrangements. And you feel

a little energy getting into it sometimes and you think, and you realize some

kinds of higher intuitive knowledge, and sometimes you get sifted out of that

and just feel blissful and detached from it--although this is very rare! But

there comes a time when you enjoy the absolute realization of your own Nature

and Condition. After that you may, for lawful reasons, modify your appearance in

the gross plane, in the subtle plane, in all the higher causal, super-causal,

transcendental planes above. You could appear as an idiot or a saint in any of

these places.

 

It is written in The Knee of Listening that a man of understanding is all kinds

of opposites. He can appear as all kinds of changes. Some of them are highly

prized by conventional people as very pure and saintly and others are

anathematized as completely the opposite. Yet I have had to fulfill all those

roles and completely identify with them, completely fulfill all the obligations.

Yet there was no loss of the realized point of view at the foundation of such

theatre. When You assume a role, however, you are that. Then you have to

struggle. You are not free.

 

Nevertheless, even through a Realized life may also be communicated or

dramatized outwardly in all kinds of ways, Truth itself is absolute. The

realization is single. There is only God. There is no complication, there is no

limitation, there is no suffering, there is no destiny even in the midst of

limitations, destinies, worlds, appearances, birth and deaths. None of that has

any significance whatsoever. Even so, manifest existence is a great enjoyment

for one who lives this realization. Yet it is also a great realm of suffering

for those who do not enjoy such realization.

 

Right now you all take life very seriously. Not only do you have the phsical

body to deal with, but you also have all other physical things to deal with that

are like the physical body, which you regard to be your limitation. After you

have dealt with your life in the physical dimension for a while, at some point

you begin to perceive energies, and this aspect of life becomes sort of magical.

You think you are basically energy and not this gross body. There are energies

everywhere that permeate everything. You can even manipulate them with a little

intention.

 

And then you realize, no, you are not all those energies and you are not that

body either. You are a consciouness and you can make decisions. You can go up

and you can go down and inside and out and you can make things happen and not

happen and appear and not appear--you have fantastic powers. So you get involved

with that realization for a while, going from here to some other place in this

life and after death.

 

And then you realize that you are not that either, that you are this great mind

with absolute knowledge of everything. Everything happens within this great

mind--material things happen and energies and movements happen, thoughts happen,

intentions and dramas and games happen, but they do not have anything

fundamentally to do with you. You are this completely rested, absolute

Consciousness that controls everything without doing a thing.

 

And then you realize you are not that either! You are just Bliss. You have

nothing whatever to do with the universe or a body or an appearance or a life or

a destiny. You do not even know about all that. You do not think about it, you

do not make anything happen. You just rest in this absolute infinite sort of

soupy blissfulness. It is so marvelous and wonderful! There is nothing happening

at all. You do not feel limited by anything. You just feel completely graceful

and relieved.

 

And then you realize that you are not that either! You are Consciousness and you

do not have anything to do with anything! You don't feel blissful, you don't

feel not blissful. You don't see anything, you don't not see anything. You don't

identify with it, you don't not identify with it. There is nothing! Just this

Consciousness. And you interiorize fully into being completely Consciousness!

 

You do not do anything for a long period of time, then all of a sudden--Zap! You

see everything again, and you realize that ALL of this stuff--up and down, in

and out, high and low, inside, outside, now and then--is an expression and a

modification of you, that you are that absolute Consciousness. You do not have

to do anything, but you do not have to not look at it either. It is all You!

Every moment of it is you. You don't go anywhere. Thiings happen, but you don't

care. You are That.

 

And then suddenly--you realize that you are not THAT EITHER! You realize that

all this stuff-high and low, in and out, up and down, now and then--IS you, not

a modification of you, but YOU. Suddenly you can be a body, you can appear

somewhere, you can incarnate, you can do anything. All this stuff is you and the

same time it is not you--it doesn't make any difference! It is God. Everything

is God, this one Reality. It is You! It happens, it doesn't happen, it's bad,

it's good--it does not make any difference whatsoever.

 

You persist in this realization because there is nothing beyond it. You cannot

leap into some consciousness that is not it because you were there just a moment

ago! Now your enjoyment has no definition, whatsoever, no destiny, no

relationship to anything. It cannot be specified and it cannot be isolated. It

cannot be separated out. It is not an alternative to anything. Everything just

continues to happen, everything becomes yourself, everything is happy,

everything is marvelous. This enjoyment is the grounds for absolute dissolution

in which nothing else occurs. You do not go anywhere, life does not become

blank. Things continue to happen. But your realization becomes completely

unspeakable. And beyond that realization nothing may be said, nothing may be

defined, no destiny may be described, no work you do may be described, nothing

may be said about it at all. everything happens perfectly from that moment, and

there is nothing that may be said about it that makes any sense whatsoever.

 

All those who enjoy such realization and who appear in any manifest plane are

stuck in the paradox of that enjoyment. They cannot make any sense out of it

really. They do the best they can to establish this enjoyment in others through

all kinds of influences. They try to make sense, but they do not make sense. The

work of such so-called individuals is paradoxical, it is eternal, it is not

really describable, but it is the most perfect and specific and necessary

activity in all the manifest worlds. It is the work of the Siddhas.

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg wrote:

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Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg wrote:

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Your site <http://www.nisargadatta.net/>, talks of Matrix, the movie

<http://nisargadatta.net/matrix.html>. Perhaps, it is one of your favorite

movies. It is one of my favorite movies.

 

 

In the context of the Matrix movie, I think Adi Da was similar to the character

" Cypher " <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix>, who preferred the varieties

of Matrix over the 'sameness' of the Reality. Like " Cypher " , he was very kin on

having luxuries, goodies, fame and women in the Matrix and was willing to

" trade " his knowledge of the reality to get these goodies in the Matrix.

 

 

To Adi Da, the main use of his " knowledge " of the reality was to use it to get a

" good deal " in the Matrix, to get the goodies, luxuries and women in the Matrix.

 

Like Cypher, he was ready to betray the fellow " seekers " of Reality to gain

luxuries, 'fan following' and women in the Matrix. Like Cypher, he didn't really

want to abide in the Reality. The sameness of the Reality made him miss the

varieties and the ('false') luxuries of the Matrix... even though, just like

Cypher, he too knew those luxuries of the Matrix to be 'false'.

 

 

And, like Cypher, he too betrayed and harmed those who trusted him, in order to

get a 'better life in the Matrix' for himself.