Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 [...]> >> > So, is there some inner entity looking at an outside world?> > -geo-> < div>>> > > Dear Geo:> > > I am not sure, if I truly understand your question.> > > In deep dreamless sleep, both I and the other disappears. The entire world > with all its divisions and diversions disappears.> > > When the 'conscious' "I", the "I" that only rises in relation to the > "other" and that only rises with the other, disappears, the entire world > including all inner and outer disappears. Ultimately, only that undivided > reality is real because it is uncaused, unchanging and is without any > beginning or end. It is in the background of all events, happening, > thoughts, emotions. It is the changeless background of all that appears to > change.> -ac-> > Are you saying this (not sure though...)? I am not lecturing, just saying > how it is seen here. When it is understood that there is no inner separate > enity that does not mean that the world desapears. There is a jump, an > assumption in that. The world is still here alright except that i am the > world, there is nohting in the world that is not me. In the world, in which I arise and live as an 'conscious' individual, I am not the world. An approaching truck shows in my rear-view mirror. Its 'image' comes INSIDE the mirror, yet, my rear-view mirror is NOT the approaching truck. When I cover my rear-view mirror no truck shows in it, yet, it doesn't mean that the mirror is the truck.Mind is similar to the mirror. The world shows in it. When the mind is asleep nothing shows in it. However, just because something shows INSIDE it doesn't mean that it is that. In a way, mind is little different as it can even create images inside. That way, it is more like a multi-purpose backup camera + DVD player + Navigation system device. It can play pictures from DVD (memory) and it can show the vehicles, people, things behind. Yet, just because it shows it, it doesn't mean it is that.[...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 > > So, is there some inner entity looking at an outside world? > > -geo- > < div>> > > > Dear Geo: > > > I am not sure, if I truly understand your question. > > > In deep dreamless sleep, both I and the other disappears. The entire world > with all its divisions and diversions disappears. > > > When the 'conscious' " I " , the " I " that only rises in relation to the > " other " and that only rises with the other, disappears, the entire world > including all inner and outer disappears. Ultimately, only that undivided > reality is real because it is uncaused, unchanging and is without any > beginning or end. It is in the background of all events, happening, > thoughts, emotions. It is the changeless background of all that appears to > change. > -ac- > > A re you saying this (not sure though...)? I am not lecturing, just saying > how it is seen here. When it is understood that there is no inner separate > enity that does not mean that the world desapears. There is a jump, an > assumption in that. The world is still here alright except that i am the > world, there is nohting in the world that is not me. In the world, in which I arise and live as an 'conscious' individual, I am not the world. An approaching truck shows in my rear-view mirror. Its 'image' comes INSIDE the mirror, yet, my rear-view mirror is NOT the approaching truck. When I cover my rear-view mirror no truck shows in it, yet, it doesn't mean that the mirror is the truck. Mind is similar to the mirror. The world shows in it. When the mind is asleep nothing shows in it. However, just because something shows INSIDE it doesn't mean that i t is that. In a way, mind is little different as it can even create images inside. That way, it is more like a multi-purpose backup camera + DVD player + Navigation system device. It can play pictures from DVD (memory) and it can show the vehicles, people, things behind. Yet, just because it shows it, it doesn't mean it is that. -ac- Follow this. We can start from the side - I am nothing I perceive, or I am everything I perceive. The same. I will start with the former. Are your eyes different from you? If they where you could not sense them. So your eyes are you. All the sense organs are you. When you see a bird flying...is that bird different from you? We say that the retina of the eyes is also you, the bird flying is the same retina receiving photons, reacting to photons. So your vision of the bird is your retina in movement. This can be said for all sense organs you have. Where is the something that is not you? -geo- --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 23/2/2010 13:13:06 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , "geo" <inandor wrote:>> > > > So, is there some inner entity looking at an outside world?> > > -geo-> > < div>>> >> >> > Dear Geo:> >> >> > I am not sure, if I truly understand your question.> >> >> > In deep dreamless sleep, both I and the other disappears. The entire world> > with all its divisions and diversions disappears.> >> >> > When the 'conscious' "I", the "I" that only rises in relation to the> > "other" and that only rises with the other, disappears, the entire world> > including all inner and outer disappears. Ultimately, only that undivided> > reality is real because it is uncaused, unchanging and is without any> > beginning or end. It is in the background of all events, happening,> > thoughts, emotions. It is the changeless background of all that appears to> > change.> > -ac-> >> > A re you saying this (not sure though...)? I am not lecturing, just saying> > how it is seen here. When it is understood that there is no inner separate> > enity that does not mean that the world desapears. There is a jump, an> > assumption in that. The world is still here alright except that i am the> > world, there is nohting in the world that is not me.> > > > > In the world, in which I arise and live as an 'conscious' individual, I am > not the world.> > > An approaching truck shows in my rear-view mirror. Its 'image' comes INSIDE > the mirror, yet, my rear-view mirror is NOT the approaching truck. When I > cover my rear-view mirror no truck shows in it, yet, it doesn't mean that > the mirror is the truck.> > > Mind is similar to the mirror. The world shows in it. When the mind is > asleep nothing shows in it. However, just because something shows INSIDE it > doesn't mean that i t is that.> > > In a way, mind is little different as it can even create images inside. That > way, it is more like a multi-purpose backup camera + DVD player + Navigation > system device. It can play pictures from DVD (memory) and it can show the > vehicles, people, things behind. Yet, just because it shows it, it doesn't > mean it is that.> > -ac-> > > Follow this.> We can start from the side - I am nothing I perceive, or I am everything I > perceive. The same.> I will start with the former. Start with neither.Just I AM'what'... may not be absolutely necessary to know. And, since I can not be an object to myself, it might not be possible to really know it as a "what". I am it and because I am it, I can not know it as an object. To know something as a distinct object requires some separation from it. > Are your eyes different from you? If they > where you could not sense them. So your eyes are you.I am not sure what logic is this.BTW.. I can sense my eyes. Sometimes eyes itch. Sometimes eyes feel tired. Sometimes eyes feel uncomfortable in bright light. I am sure I will sense when someone pokes them too. > All the sense organs are you. Actually... none.> When you see a bird flying...is that bird > different from you? We say that the retina of the eyes is also you,> the bird flying is the same retina receiving photons, reacting to photons. > So your vision of the bird is your retina in movement.> This can be said for all sense organs you have. Where is the something that > is not you?> -geo- I think you can say anything you wish.I am not sure if this logic makes sense, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 - ac Nisargadatta Tuesday, February 23, 2010 2:38 PM Re: I AM THAT. / Geo/1 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > So, is there some inner entity looking at an outside world? > > > -geo- > > < div>> > > > > > > Dear Geo: > > > > > > I am not sure, if I truly understand your question. > > > > > > In deep dreamless sleep, both I and the other disappears. The entire > > world > > with all its divisions and diversions disappears. > > > > > > When the 'conscious' " I " , the " I " that only rises in relation to the > > " other " and that only rises with the other, disappears, the entire world > > including all inner and outer disappears. Ultimately, only that > > undivided > > reality is real because it is uncaused, unchanging and is without any > > beginning or end. It is in the background of all events, happen ing, > > thoughts, emotions. It is the changeless background of all that appears > > to > > change. > > -ac- > > > > A re you saying this (not sure though...)? I am not lecturing, just > > saying > > how it is seen here. When it is understood that there is no inner > > separate > > enity that does not mean that the world desapears. There is a jump, an > > assumption in that. The world is still here alright except that i am the > > world, there is nohting in the world that is not me. > > > > > In the world, in which I arise and live as an 'conscious' individual, I am > not the world. > > > An approaching truck shows in my rear-view mirror. Its 'image' comes > INSIDE > the mirror, yet, my rear-view mirror is NOT the approaching truck. When I > cover my rear-view mirror no truck shows in it, yet, it doesn't mean that > the mirror i s the truck. > > > Mind is similar to the mirror. The world shows in it. When the mind is > asleep nothing shows in it. However, just because something shows INSIDE > it > doesn't mean that i t is that. > > > In a way, mind is little different as it can even create images inside. > That > way, it is more like a multi-purpose backup camera + DVD player + > Navigation > system device. It can play pictures from DVD (memory) and it can show the > vehicles, people, things behind. Yet, just because it shows it, it doesn't > mean it is that. > > -ac- > > > Follow this. > We can start from the side - I am nothing I perceive, or I am everything I > perceive. The same. > I will start with the former. Start with neither. Just I AM 'what'... may not be absolutely necessary to know. And, since I can not be an object to myself, it might not be possible to really know it as a " what " . I am it and because I am it, I can not know it as an object. To know something as a distinct object requires some separation from it. > Are your eyes different from you? If they > where you could not sense them. So your eyes are you. I am not sure what logic is this. BTW.. I can sense my eyes. Sometimes eyes itch. Sometimes eyes feel tired. Sometimes eyes feel uncomfortable in bright light. I am sure I will sense when someone pokes them too. > All the sense organs are you. Actually... none. > When you see a bird flying...is that bird > different from you? We say that the retina of the eyes is also you, > the bird flying is the same retina receiving photons, reacting to photons. > So your vision of the bird is your retina in movement. > This can be said for all sense organs you have. Where is the something > that > is not you? > -geo- I think you can say anything you wish. I am not sure if this logic makes sense, though. -ac- You did asked, did not you? Tchau. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 23/2/2010 15:34:45 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 23/2/2010 15:44:48 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 [...]> >> > Follow this.> > We can start from the side - I am nothing I perceive, or I am everything I> > perceive. The same.> > I will start with the former.> > > Start with neither.> > > Just I AM> > > 'what'... may not be absolutely necessary to know. And, since I can not be > an object to myself, it might not be possible to really know it as a "what". > I am it and because I am it, I can not know it as an object. To know > something as a distinct object requires some separation from it.> > > > Are your eyes different from you? If they> > where you could not sense them. So your eyes are you.> > > I am not sure what logic is this.> > > > > BTW.. I can sense my eyes. Sometimes eyes itch. Sometimes eyes feel tired. > Sometimes eyes feel uncomfortable in bright light. I am sure I will sense > when someone pokes them too.> > > All the sense organs are you.> > > Actually... none.> > > > When you see a bird flying...is that bird> > different from you? We say that the retina of the eyes is also you,> > the bird flying is the same retina receiving photons, reacting to photons.> > So your vision of the bird is your retina in movement.> > This can be said for all sense organs you have. Where is the something > > that> > is not you?> > -geo-> > > I think you can say anything you wish.> > > I am not sure if this logic makes sense, though.> -ac-> > You did asked, did not you?> Tchau.> -geo-> Yes, Geo and I am saying that I am not sure if the answer you gave is the correct one.ac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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