Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Questioner: It requires intelligence and energy to build and maintain a living body. Where do they come from? Maharaj: There is only imagination. The intelligence and power are all used up in your imagination. It has absorbed you so completely that you just cannot grasp how far from reality you have wandered. No doubt imagination is richly creative. Universe within universe are built on it. Yet they are all in space and time, past and future, which just do not exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Questioner: It requires intelligence and energy to build and maintain a living body. Where do they come from? > > Maharaj: There is only imagination. The intelligence and power are all used up in your imagination. It has absorbed you so completely that you just cannot grasp how far from reality you have wandered. No doubt imagination is richly creative. Universe within universe are built on it. Yet they are all in space and time, past and future, which just do not exist. And since they do not exist, even imagination is just this energy. Bloop. Blip. Bleep! - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Thursday, March 18, 2010 2:14 PM Today's Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > Yes, that is what I meant. Never mind how it sounds. It is when > the fact dawns that the others cannot see me, do not know me -- > cannot tell me who or what I am and what I am to do, that peace > enters the room. If on top of that I also realise that I do not > know me (how can I know that which is neer the same from moment > to moment?) - that I do not know what to do -- that I therefore > need not make plans for some " future " -- then I am homefree and > untouchable and fearless. " You cannot fight pain and pleasure on the level of consciousness. To go beyond them you must go beyond consciousness, which is possible only when you look at consciousness as something that happens to you and not in you, as something external, alien, superimposed. Then, suddenly you are free of consciousness, really alone, with nothing to intrude. And that is your true state. " -- from " I Am That " To me the essence of what I read here - to this localized, particular brain here - is the " ability " to see consciousness as this one unit, this one movement and not the summation of many timebound and limited things/events. As this is seen, something falls backwards... and I am alone. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > " You cannot fight pain and pleasure on the level of consciousness. To go > beyond them you must go beyond consciousness, which is possible only when > you look at consciousness as something that happens to you and not in you, > as something external, alien, superimposed. Then, suddenly you are free of > consciousness, really alone, with nothing to intrude. And that is your true > state. " > -- from " I Am That " > > To me the essence of what I read here - to this localized, particular brain > here - is the " ability " to see consciousness as this one unit, this one > movement and not the summation of many timebound and limited things/events. > As this is seen, something falls backwards... and I am alone. > -geo- Nice quote. We've seen that one before on this list - and it's a good one. It seems to me he's saying you've never really contacted anything outside of yourself - and that consciousness is built up from impressions of having contact with something outside of you. So, ending that assumption, he's saying " consciousness " is outside of you. Usually, consciousness is taken as " me " and through consciousness I contact " other things. " Yes, one suddenly is not " in the picture " that previously was considered " me and my consciousness of the world. " It's interesting that he ends the message with " nothing to intrude. " As that is what consciousness deals with: various intrusions, some enjoyable, some hurtful. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Thursday, March 18, 2010 2:14 PM > Today's Nisargadatta > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > Yes, that is what I meant. Never mind how it sounds. It is when > > the fact dawns that the others cannot see me, do not know me -- > > cannot tell me who or what I am and what I am to do, that peace > > enters the room. If on top of that I also realise that I do not > > know me (how can I know that which is neer the same from moment > > to moment?) - that I do not know what to do -- that I therefore > > need not make plans for some " future " -- then I am homefree and > > untouchable and fearless. > > " You cannot fight pain and pleasure on the level of consciousness. To go > beyond them you must go beyond consciousness, which is possible only when > you look at consciousness as something that happens to you and not in you, > as something external, alien, superimposed. Then, suddenly you are free of > consciousness, really alone, with nothing to intrude. And that is your true > state. " > -- from " I Am That " > > To me the essence of what I read here - to this localized, particular brain > here - is the " ability " to see consciousness as this one unit, this one > movement and not the summation of many timebound and limited things/events. > As this is seen, something falls backwards... and I am alone. > -geo- Thanks for sharing Some of what I say is a result of intellectual (mind-) activity, deduction, logic. Some of what I say is a result of all of that having been wiped away - and there is a kind of clarity present instead. However, the intellect can not wipe it away. Words can not wipe it away, thinking, pondering etc - iow no mindactivity can make mindactivity stop. What then can? Do please not try to answer that question -Lene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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