Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > Intelligence is characterized by the natural lack of ability > > to understand life. > > > > (Henri Bergson) > > > > > > Superb. It is when I give up that intelligence finds its way. > > Superb. > > > > -Lene > > > > Nice! Thanks, Lene. Thanks, Tim. We do not know what intelligence is. What we know is that it sheds a light on " something " and through " something " 's being exposed by the light " something " (object) is seen/understood. Same way we do not know what light is. Light needs an object to shine up & expose. Light itself is invisible, dark stuff. Couple o weeks ago I was outside in the evening watching the stars. It struck me - how come I can see the stars but I can not see the light itself - the light which expose the stars? People talk of a self. What if self is light? It looks like this is the case. What if everything is " nothing but " light? If so is, call it that - light! Call it not self. I have said that I cannot know myself. I can only know myself in you. Seeing you - you standing there, all exposed, all lit up, is seeing myself. I only know me, the light, through you. I do not know me " on my own side " , as such, so to speak. This is what I said - in other words - when talking of " my " brain; I can see your brain, not mine. Perhaps I wrote about it not in here, only in Pete's palace. Not sure. I post in 4+ places. There has been a sort of revolution taking place here since I started reading that book: " Living on Light " wherein this man " an ordinary Dane " , an academic, a journalist, a Mr Everybody carries out two experiments, where he feeds on light and very little water (after 21 days on light only). The strange thing is that his body in is perfect shape after weeks without food and water (the last experiment lasted for 86 days). Have said what I came for. This enquiry will never end, there is always work to do for scientists and philosophers - for us " lightbeings " , us being everything, everybody. There seems be an endlessness of objects to dis-cover. I hesitate to use the expression " lightbeings " because of its smelling like " new age " stuff grounded on belief and I am one scientist and not one believer - but what if it is true? Anyway, what has been known for a long time is that we are all made of the same stuff and so we are one, not many. We are one appearing AS many, in many shapes, forms, colours - also known as manifoldedness (ref Bohm's enfolded order). What has been sort of a grand mystery is: what exactly is this stuff of which we are made? And this - as it seems and appears, is slowly unvealing itself to me QUA you, QUA the other which I am lighting up. No no no, please do not misunderstand. Ok, got to go, nomore nomore for now. Pete wrote a while ago that we are all enlightened although he may have used a different term. I now know what he meant. I think I know - at least I have a friend, who call herself a light-being/creature, and she is -- she lightens up the world whereever she is and goes. But she does not seem to know that this is her mission - only mission - which is no mission. " Mission " is a word, a thought or idea. She keeps saying though that she is waiting for some sign, pointer such as - this is what you are here for! And do I know what she's talking about - the sign never shows though - good for us. Nobody needs missionaries or gurus - for everybody is a light of him/herself already, and in order to see this one just has to take a look at the " other " and " his " reaction - hee hee Love Lene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Lene,I get the light thing. The imagery has been occurring to me often lately. And there's the same new-age kneejerk, but I guess it's time to lay that aside.It's like the light is pouring out beyond any self-control, so okay. What else are you going to do? Nothing. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 in a hurry here: as for mission we are emitters of what we are light so in a manner of speech we are all (on a) light-mission but the mission is ourselves - we are what is emitted oh well enof -enel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Nobody needs missionaries or gurus - for everybody is a light of him/herself already, and in order to see this one just has to take a look at the " other " and " his " reaction - hee hee Love Lene You can not arbitrate, what other people need or do not need. Sadguru is inner light, who leads you on your way, but to be in contact with this light most of seekers need external Guru who will help them to change focus from out to in and seed so sowed can then grow - at the end you and light are one, there is no difference, because you and Sadguru are same, was same and will be always same. There is no improvement, no change, no progress. But this all I understand thanks to grace of my Guru, Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj and his Guru, Siddharameshwar maharaj. Without faith to them I would be maybe in sect of Adi Da or would be trying to find truth in science or in church. Ales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , Julie Boerst <julesmiel wrote: > And there's the same new-age kneejerk, but I guess it's time to lay that > aside. By that I mean that I reach out to any source for an explanation, and I get one! It's all me. My kids, the radio, the new age book, these discussion lists. It's everywhere, and so am I. If I lose my way, even George W. Bush could tell me how to get home again. I can't get lost. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , <alesadamek wrote: > Nobody needs missionaries or gurus - for everybody is a light > of him/herself already, and in order to see this one just has > to take a look at the " other " and " his " reaction - hee hee The missionaries and gurus are part of me, especially the most ridiculous one. Pick your favorite. Don't you love that he showed up? They are part of the everything which is nothing, so they are perfect when they appear. They can be trusted completely. You can be trusted completely. There is nothing to protect. Nobody *does* need missionaries or gurus. You are right. We're nobody. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , " julesmiel " <julesmiel wrote: > > Nisargadatta , <alesadamek@> wrote: > > Nobody needs missionaries or gurus - for everybody is a light > > of him/herself already, and in order to see this one just has > > to take a look at the " other " and " his " reaction - hee hee > > The missionaries and gurus are part of me, especially the most ridiculous one. Pick your favorite. Don't you love that he showed up? They are part of the everything which is nothing, so they are perfect when they appear. They can be trusted completely. You can be trusted completely. There is nothing to protect. > > Nobody *does* need missionaries or gurus. You are right. We're nobody. > > Julie > It takes a lot of *crazy wisdom* to break down the hard shell of indifference around us, to burst forth like a thousand suns and light the Way for others. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , "julesmiel" <julesmiel wrote: > > Nisargadatta , <alesadamek@> wrote: > > Nobody needs missionaries or gurus - for everybody is a light > > of him/herself already, and in order to see this one just has > > to take a look at the "other" and "his" reaction - hee hee > > The missionaries and gurus are part of me, especially the most ridiculous one. Pick your favorite. Don't you love that he showed up? They are part of the everything which is nothing, so they are perfect when they appear. They can be trusted completely. You can be trusted completely. There is nothing to protect. > > Nobody *does* need missionaries or gurus. You are right. We're nobody. > > Julie > It takes a lot of *crazy wisdom* to break down the hard shell of indifference around us, to burst forth like a thousand suns and light the Way for others. ~A If we would be honest to each other, we would maybe say .. ok, now I understand, after short or long process, but there was or were some teachers on my way, who hleped me to come to this final truth, ales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " julesmiel " <julesmiel@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , <alesadamek@> wrote: > > > Nobody needs missionaries or gurus - for everybody is a light > > > of him/herself already, and in order to see this one just has > > > to take a look at the " other " and " his " reaction - hee hee > > > > The missionaries and gurus are part of me, especially the most ridiculous one. Pick your favorite. Don't you love that he showed up? They are part of the everything which is nothing, so they are perfect when they appear. They can be trusted completely. You can be trusted completely. There is nothing to protect. > > > > Nobody *does* need missionaries or gurus. You are right. We're nobody. > > > > Julie > > > > > It takes a lot of *crazy wisdom* to break down the hard shell of indifference around us, to burst forth like a thousand suns > and light the Way for others. > > ~A > What a pathetic bs ! Hell, Drama-Anna and Pathos-Anna united ... Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > What a pathetic bs ! > > Hell, Drama-Anna and Pathos-Anna united ... Right, united! So united, is it good...or bad...or anything? Quick, Werner. Who are you? Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Yes. This one is on sale today (is cheap :-) Life is happening while you are making plans. Wooosh! Love Lene Nisargadatta , Julie Boerst <julesmiel wrote: > > Lene, > > I get the light thing. The imagery has been occurring to me often lately. > And there's the same new-age kneejerk, but I guess it's time to lay that > aside. > > It's like the light is pouring out beyond any self-control, so okay. What > else are you going to do? Nothing. > > Julie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Nisargadatta , <alesadamek wrote: > > > Nobody needs missionaries or gurus - for everybody is a light > of him/herself already, and in order to see this one just has > to take a look at the " other " and " his " reaction - hee hee > > Love > Lene > You can not arbitrate, what other people need or do not need. Sorry, I do not know what arbitrate means. > Sadguru is inner light, Light is light. > who leads you on your way, but to be in contact with this light I am this light. > most of seekers need external Guru who will help them to change focus from out to in and seed so sowed can then grow - at the end you and light are one, there is no difference, because you and Sadguru are same, was same and will be always same. There is no improvement, no change, no progress. Absolutely - correct. > But this all I understand thanks to grace of my Guru, Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj and his Guru, Siddharameshwar maharaj. Without faith to them I would be maybe in sect of Adi Da or would be trying to find truth in science or in church. I found the truth in the words said to stem from one Jesus Christ, when -- I forgot when. " Lo and behold, the kingdom of god is right here, amongst you. " And they did not see it; they had no idea what he was talking about. They thought he was referring to himself and he was and yet not. He himself, like you, like me - is god, is the kingdom of god, is everything/nothing - the light, the darkness. The end The beginning The in between The whatever I think JC ought to have made that clear - beyond doubt - instead of luring the people into believing in some " distant " godfather - instead of leaving it up to them to interprete what he said and I am sure he did not, sure the texts we read in the bible are inter pretations already -- so I would be very careful around them when reading some of the texts as an adult. I love the truthful ones - the ones I see the truth in/of - here is another one: In the beginning was darkness, and the darkness became the light and the light shined (shone?) in the darkness and everything was lit up by it (totally memorizing). Love to Ales from Lene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Nisargadatta , <alesadamek wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " julesmiel " wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , wrote: > > > Nobody needs missionaries or gurus - for everybody is a light > > > of him/herself already, and in order to see this one just has > > > to take a look at the " other " and " his " reaction - hee hee > > > > The missionaries and gurus are part of me, especially the most ridiculous one. Pick your favorite. Don't you love that he showed up? They are part of the everything which is nothing, so they are perfect when they appear. They can be trusted completely. You can be trusted completely. There is nothing to protect. > > > > Nobody *does* need missionaries or gurus. You are right. We're nobody. > > > > Julie > > > > It takes a lot of *crazy wisdom* to break down the hard shell of indifference around us, to burst forth like a thousand suns > and light the Way for others. > > ~A > >  > > If we would be honest to each other, we would maybe say .. > >  > > ok, now I understand, after short or long process, but there was or were some teachers on my way, who hleped me to come to this final truth, Yes, but where begin and with whom? Mama? Okay. Done -Lene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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