Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Hur Guler > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:51 PM > Re: i am that > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Lene: why are we on this planet earth anyway? > > > > geo: When I read Gurdjieff a long time ago it became obvious to me - I > > bought the fish. > > Mankind is on earth for two absolutely different reasons. > > > > 1- To fulfill the needs - on a cosmic level - of the absolute in order to > > sustain the creation and maintainence of the universe. > > In this sense man, or organic life on earth as a whole, are needed in > > order to keep the ray of creation working. But for this > > what is needed is a mankind just like it is: mechanical, conditioned, with > > a sense of herd consciousness. It is as if the earth > > needed the wars and collective conflicts to fulfill some of its needs. To > > this there is nothing " we " must do - just remain ignorant > > and sleeping as we are. that is what is needed in a cosmic scale. > > > > 2- For a few there is the opportunity to change. That is what we are > > discussing in these forums (not entering in that now). > > This change is a turn inward. A " new " movement in its nature. This new > > movement is only attainable through the realization of > > non-separation, of " existing " . It is not meant to the majority for that > > would disturb the other needs of the universe (#1) - but for some > > it is possible and necessary for the universe.... in this case not the > > same reasons as in #1. > > > > > Interesting. It sounds like a version of the Matrix the movie plot. I always > wondered where Gurdjieff got these prescriptive ideas from. It's not like > Russians were known for this sort of thing other than writing very good > psychological novels which were mostly descriptive, not prescriptive. > > geo: He is not Russian but from turkey. It is very interesting indeed. The > trouble > is that people sort of confuse Gurdjieff " schools " and other fourth way BS > with > what G had to say. He said he got it from other(s). The real source is > unknown. > All this doesn't matter. What matters is assimilating the stuff to the point > I can say it is mine. I robed it and now it is mine!! ...It is not for > anyone on the street > because it may seem to theoretical if viewed only from an analytical > perspective - > specially at first sight. The fact is that the man - as anyone who " knows " - > is trying > to describe, to draw a map, of something that is right here present in front > of me (him). > But not all languages are suited for all people. Viva a diferença!! > I'm from Turkey and although Gurdijieff is from that area (more like the " Kafkas " region, the area between Turkey and Ukraine), his last name indicates he has links to Georgia since we call Georgians " Gurju " (Gurdji). Culturally he can be considered Russian since many of the multi ethnic groups under the Russian empire were assimilated to a certain degree even though they spoke Russian with an accent. I read his biography at Wikipedia and what suprised me was that he lived in Istanbul in 1920 and that was one of the most turbulent times to be there. Regardless of his complex background, I found this article on the net and Gurdjieff seems to be combining the Western method of " effort " with the Eastern paths especially for the Householders (the working class). http://www.tayu.org/~tayu/wayfourth/sgood27.html I was intrigued by the notion of " Avoiding the Expression of Negative Emotions " ...It's really a type of " how to " method ...not just " you are that...now you're liberated. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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