I AM THAT

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Q: But if their destiny is to suffer? How can you interfere with destiny?

 

M: Their destiny is what happens. There is no thwarting of destiny. You mean to

say everybody's life is totally determined at his birth? What a strange idea!

Were it so, the power that determines would see to it that nobody should suffer.

 

 

Q: What about cause and effect?

 

M: Each moment contains the whole of the past and creates the whole of the

future.

 

 

Q: But past and future exist?

 

M: In the mind only. Time is in the mind, space is in the mind. The law of cause

and effect is also a way of thinking. In reality all is here and now and all is

one. Multiplicity and diversity are in the mind only.

 

 

Q: Still, you are in favour of relieving suffering, even through destruction of

the incurably diseased body.

 

M: Again, you look from outside while I look from within. I do not see a

sufferer, I am the sufferer. I know him from within and do what is right

spontaneously and effortlessly. I follow no rules nor lay down rules. I flow

with life -- faithfully and irresistibly.

 

 

Q: Still you seem to be a very practical man in full control of your immediate

surroundings.

 

M: What else do you expect me to be? A misfit?

 

 

Q: Yet you cannot help another much.

 

M: Surely, I can help. You too can help. Everybody can help. But the suffering

is all the time recreated. Man alone can destroy in himself the roots of pain.

Others can only help with the pain, but not with its cause, which is the abysmal

stupidity of mankind.

 

 

Q: Will this stupidity ever come to an end?

 

M: In man -- of course. Any moment. In humanity -- as we know it -- after very

many years. In creation -- never, for creation itself is rooted in ignorance;

matter itself is ignorance. Not to know, and not to know that one does not know,

is the cause of endless suffering.

 

 

Q: We are told of the great avatars, the saviours of the world.

 

M: Did they save? They have come and gone -- and the world plods on. Of course,

they did a lot and opened new dimensions in the human mind. But to talk of

saving the world is an exaggeration.

 

 

Q: Is there no salvation for the world?

 

M: Which world do you want to save? The world of your own projection? Save it

yourself. My world? Show me my world and I shall deal with it. I am not aware of

any world separate from myself, which I am free to save or not to save. What

business have you with saving the world, when all the world needs is to be saved

from you? Get out of the picture and see whether there is anything left to save.

 

 

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Q: If I start the practice of dismissing everything as a dream where will it

lead me?

 

M: Wherever it leads you, it will be a dream. The very idea of going beyond the

dream is illusory. Why go anywhere? Just realise that you are dreaming a dream

you call the world, and stop looking for ways out. The dream is not your

problem. Your problem is that you like one part of your dream and not another.

Love all, or none of it, and stop complaining. When you have seen the dream as a

dream, you have done all that needs be done.

 

 

 

Q: Is dreaming caused by thinking?

 

M: Everything is a play of ideas. In the state free from ideation (nirvikalpa

samadhi) nothing is perceived. The root idea is: 'I am'. It shatters the state

of pure consciousness and is followed by the innumerable sensations and

perceptions, feeling and ideas which in their totality constitute God and His

world. The 'I am' remains as the witness, but it is by the will of God that

everything happens.

 

 

Q: Why not by my will?

 

M: Again you have split yourself -- into God and witness. Both are one.

 

 

 

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Q: Again a counsel of perfection! To integrate and strengthen the mind is not an

easy task! How does one begin?

 

M: You can start only from where you are. You are here and now, you cannot get

out of here and now.

 

 

Q: But what can I do here and now?

 

M: You can be aware of your being -- here and now.

 

 

Q: That is all?

 

M: That is all. There is nothing more to it.

 

 

Q: All my waking and dreaming I am conscious of myself. It does not help me

much.

 

M: You were aware of thinking, feeling, doing. You were not aware of your being.

 

 

Q: What is the new factor you want me to bring in?

 

M: The attitude of pure witnessing, of watching the events without taking part

in them.

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote:

> M: Love is a state of being. Sex is energy. Love is wise, sex is

> blind. Once the true nature of love and sex is understood there will

> be no conflict or confusion.

 

From here, love feels like sex with everything.

 

Julie

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On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:05 AM, ac <adithya_comming wrote:

M: Wherever it leads you, it will be a dream. The very idea of going beyond the dream is illusory. Why go anywhere? Just realise that you are dreaming a dream you call the world, and stop looking for ways out. The dream is not your problem. Your problem is that you like one part of your dream and not another. Love all, or none of it, and stop complaining. When you have seen the dream as a dream, you have done all that needs be done.

I thought I might be writing a book this morning, and I wrote this:Every book is written at the level of delusion from which

its author emerges.  Do not assume that Julie

is free of delusion or that you yourself ever have to free yourself from what

you call the delusion.  This physical

form itself is the delusion, and within it we can find all kinds of juicy stuff

that points us toward the place it feels right to go.  This may be your juice.Maybe I'm not writing a book. :)Julie 

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Nisargadatta , "julesmiel" <julesmiel wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "ac" <adithya_comming@> wrote:> > M: Love is a state of being. Sex is energy. Love is wise, sex is > > blind. Once the true nature of love and sex is understood there will > > be no conflict or confusion.> > From here, love feels like sex with everything.> > Julie>Is that the way you think kids love puppies?Is that the way you think kids love ocean?

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Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote:

> Is that the way you think kids love puppies?

>

> [Kami loves the pups!!]

>

> Is that the way you think kids love ocean?

 

Ooh, that was neat. Thank you!

 

No, that's not how I see it. Not when I view sex as something wild and raucous

and untameable and scary and dirty and possibly harmful.

 

But when sex is a wild and wonderful pure and calm and sweet and contentless

union, then yes. Same thing. How beautiful! Making friends with sex.

 

Julie