Guest guest Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 I must confess I don't remember any longer how silence sounds. Years ago, I started hearing a ringing that has never left, but I'm not being accurate, my tinnitus is a monotone. Most of the time, I'm oblivious to it. Consciousness needs change to stay focused. It quickly ignores anything that doesn't change. So, this ringing is my new silence. Novelty becomes normalcy if it persists. We perceive because there is change. The immutable goes through consciousness without leaving a trace like a neutrino through a photographic plate. Now, there can't be awareness of change without memory. Without remembering how it was, you could not notice change. So your notion of time, also, depends on memory. Imagine losing your capacity to form new memories, but remembering the long term memories that you formed before the trauma, which caused your condition. In such case, you will be stuck within that moment before the trauma. After a few seconds, anything new that happens will become as if it never happened, and it would seem to you, no time has passed since your last memory. This would be to live like in a sort of hellish immutable eternity where time doesn't pass, except for the sense of confusion of why are you here, what were you doing, what were you thinking before you forgot it? There are a few people that live like this. It is food for thought. Mind is memory, change and time are memory, the universe as perceived is memory. Consciousness without memory doesn't mean a thing. So, where is home? Don't use a word to answer yourself. Let silence be. And if your ears ring, don't answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > I must confess I don't remember any longer how silence sounds. > Years ago, I started hearing a ringing that has never left, but I'm > not being accurate, my tinnitus is a monotone. Most of the time, > I'm oblivious to it. Consciousness needs change to stay focused. > It quickly ignores anything that doesn't change. So, this ringing is > my new silence. Novelty becomes normalcy if it persists. > > We perceive because there is change. The immutable goes through > consciousness without leaving a trace like a neutrino through a > photographic plate. Now, there can't be awareness of change > without memory. Without remembering how it was, you could > not notice change. So your notion of time, also, depends on > memory. > > Imagine losing your capacity to form new memories, but > remembering the long term memories that you formed before > the trauma, which caused your condition. In such case, you will > be stuck within that moment before the trauma. After a few > seconds, anything new that happens will become as if it never > happened, and it would seem to you, no time has passed since > your last memory. This would be to live like in a sort of hellish > immutable eternity where time doesn't pass, except for the sense > of confusion of why are you here, what were you doing, what > were you thinking before you forgot it? > > There are a few people that live like this. It is food for thought. > Mind is memory, change and time are memory, the universe as > perceived is memory. Consciousness without memory doesn't > mean a thing. So, where is home? Don't use a word to answer > yourself. Let silence be. And if your ears ring, don't answer. > Pete, Thanks. Your post in a nice way is describing Nis's 'I Am'. And - don't be afraid to state that consciousness or awareness itself IS memory. The very first appearance and arising of consciousness is 'in' or 'as' the sensory memory. Just Google 'sensory memory'. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 - wwoehr Nisargadatta Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:13 AM Re: Time As Memmorable Change Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > I must confess I don't remember any longer how silence sounds. > Years ago, I started hearing a ringing that has never left, but I'm > not being accurate, my tinnitus is a monotone. Most of the time, > I'm oblivious to it. Consciousness needs change to stay focused. > It quickly ignores anything that doesn't change. So, this ringing is > my new silence. Novelty becomes normalcy if it persists. > > We perceive because there is change. The immutable goes through > consciousness without leaving a trace like a neutrino through a > photographic plate. Now, there can't be awareness of change > without memory. Without remembering how it was, you could > not notice change. So your notion of time, also, depends on > memory. > > Imagine losing your capacity to form new memories, but > remembering the long term memories that you formed before > the trauma, which caused your condition. In such case, you will > be stuck within that moment before the trauma. After a few > seconds, anything new that happens will become as if it never > happened, and it would seem to you, no time has passed since > your last memory. This would be to live like in a sort of hellish > immutable eternity where time doesn't pass, except for the sense > of confusion of why are you here, what were you doing, what > were you thinking before you forgot it? > > There are a few people that live like this. It is food for thought. > Mind is memory, change and time are memory, the universe as > perceived is memory. Consciousness without memory doesn't > mean a thing. So, where is home? Don't use a word to answer > yourself. Let silence be. And if your ears ring, don't answer. > Pete, Thanks. Your post in a nice way is describing Nis's 'I Am'. And - don't be afraid to state that consciousness or awareness itself IS memory. The very first appearance and arising of consciousness is 'in' or 'as' the sensory memory. Just Google 'sensory memory'. Werner Yes....Sri Google Ji -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:13 AM > Re: Time As Memmorable Change > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > I must confess I don't remember any longer how silence sounds. > > Years ago, I started hearing a ringing that has never left, but I'm > > not being accurate, my tinnitus is a monotone. Most of the time, > > I'm oblivious to it. Consciousness needs change to stay focused. > > It quickly ignores anything that doesn't change. So, this ringing is > > my new silence. Novelty becomes normalcy if it persists. > > > > We perceive because there is change. The immutable goes through > > consciousness without leaving a trace like a neutrino through a > > photographic plate. Now, there can't be awareness of change > > without memory. Without remembering how it was, you could > > not notice change. So your notion of time, also, depends on > > memory. > > > > Imagine losing your capacity to form new memories, but > > remembering the long term memories that you formed before > > the trauma, which caused your condition. In such case, you will > > be stuck within that moment before the trauma. After a few > > seconds, anything new that happens will become as if it never > > happened, and it would seem to you, no time has passed since > > your last memory. This would be to live like in a sort of hellish > > immutable eternity where time doesn't pass, except for the sense > > of confusion of why are you here, what were you doing, what > > were you thinking before you forgot it? > > > > There are a few people that live like this. It is food for thought. > > Mind is memory, change and time are memory, the universe as > > perceived is memory. Consciousness without memory doesn't > > mean a thing. So, where is home? Don't use a word to answer > > yourself. Let silence be. And if your ears ring, don't answer. > > > > Pete, > > Thanks. Your post in a nice way is describing Nis's 'I Am'. > > And - don't be afraid to state that consciousness or awareness itself IS > memory. > > The very first appearance and arising of consciousness is 'in' or 'as' the > sensory memory. Just Google 'sensory memory'. > > Werner > > Yes....Sri Google Ji > -geo- > In Sanskrit grammar, Sri belongs to the feminine gender but nowadays it is used as a masculine name prefix, equivalent to 'Mister' in English. It is gender-specific in Sanskrit, but the assumption that it is masculine has resulted in the titles of Shrimati (abbreviated Smt) for married women and Sushri for women (independent of marital status). From Sri Wikipedia Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > I must confess I don't remember any longer how silence sounds. > > Years ago, I started hearing a ringing that has never left, but I'm > > not being accurate, my tinnitus is a monotone. Most of the time, > > I'm oblivious to it. Consciousness needs change to stay focused. > > It quickly ignores anything that doesn't change. So, this ringing is > > my new silence. Novelty becomes normalcy if it persists. > > > > We perceive because there is change. The immutable goes through > > consciousness without leaving a trace like a neutrino through a > > photographic plate. Now, there can't be awareness of change > > without memory. Without remembering how it was, you could > > not notice change. So your notion of time, also, depends on > > memory. > > > > Imagine losing your capacity to form new memories, but > > remembering the long term memories that you formed before > > the trauma, which caused your condition. In such case, you will > > be stuck within that moment before the trauma. After a few > > seconds, anything new that happens will become as if it never > > happened, and it would seem to you, no time has passed since > > your last memory. This would be to live like in a sort of hellish > > immutable eternity where time doesn't pass, except for the sense > > of confusion of why are you here, what were you doing, what > > were you thinking before you forgot it? > > > > There are a few people that live like this. It is food for thought. > > Mind is memory, change and time are memory, the universe as > > perceived is memory. Consciousness without memory doesn't > > mean a thing. So, where is home? Don't use a word to answer > > yourself. Let silence be. And if your ears ring, don't answer. > > > > >W: Pete, > > Thanks. Your post in a nice way is describing Nis's 'I Am'. > > And - don't be afraid to state that consciousness or awareness itself IS memory. P: I'm not afraid of saying it. I just don't say it, because it's not so. They are two different faculties, not one. Read my last paragraph it says consciousness has no meaning without memory, but a new born baby is conscious of being spanked and reacts to it, although it has no memory of ever before being hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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