Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Aggressive speech reflects unhappiness of spirit. There is no " correcting " an investment in dukkha. One observes it, and moves on. - Dan - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Aggressive speech reflects unhappiness of spirit. > > There is no " correcting " an investment in dukkha. > > One observes it, and moves on. > > > - Dan - P: Don't be a pussy, Dan. We're giving you tough love, not soft hate. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Aggressive speech reflects unhappiness of spirit. > > > > There is no " correcting " an investment in dukkha. > > > > One observes it, and moves on. > > > > > > - Dan - > > P: Don't be a pussy, Dan. We're giving you > tough love, not soft hate. D: You know what you're doing. It's not loving. And it's not wise. I won't pretend, and get with your program. The only " we " I see using negative, disrespectful name calling is you and Werner. Additionally, " pussy " used as a pejorative disrespects women, just as " retard " disrespects people dealing with mental retardation. I'm happy to set up an alternative site that won't have aggressive, disrespectful speech masquerading as some kind of pretend wisdom. Pretending not to care isn't love, and it isn't wisdom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Aggressive speech reflects unhappiness of spirit. > > > > > > There is no " correcting " an investment in dukkha. > > > > > > One observes it, and moves on. > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > P: Don't be a pussy, Dan. We're giving you > > tough love, not soft hate. > > D: You know what you're doing. It's not loving. > > And it's not wise. > > I won't pretend, and get with your program. > > The only " we " I see using negative, disrespectful name > calling is you and Werner. Additionally, " pussy " used > as a pejorative disrespects women, just as " retard " disrespects > people dealing with mental retardation. > > I'm happy to set up an alternative site that won't > have aggressive, disrespectful speech masquerading > as some kind of pretend wisdom. Pretending not to care > isn't love, and it isn't wisdom. > I would love to be on a *spiritual* site where the members leave their dirty boots outside and don't trample in and on beautiful minds. It's heartbreaking. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Aggressive speech reflects unhappiness of spirit. > > > > > > > > There is no " correcting " an investment in dukkha. > > > > > > > > One observes it, and moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > P: Don't be a pussy, Dan. We're giving you > > > tough love, not soft hate. > > > > D: You know what you're doing. It's not loving. > > > > And it's not wise. > > > > I won't pretend, and get with your program. > > > > The only " we " I see using negative, disrespectful name > > calling is you and Werner. Additionally, " pussy " used > > as a pejorative disrespects women, just as " retard " disrespects > > people dealing with mental retardation. > > > > I'm happy to set up an alternative site that won't > > have aggressive, disrespectful speech masquerading > > as some kind of pretend wisdom. Pretending not to care > > isn't love, and it isn't wisdom. > > > > > > I would love to be on a *spiritual* site where the members leave their dirty boots outside and don't trample in and on beautiful minds. > > It's heartbreaking. > > ~A P: Wake up! Neither you, nor Dan have a beautiful mind. If you can be offended, you have a plain, ordinary mind. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Aggressive speech reflects unhappiness of spirit. > > > > > > There is no " correcting " an investment in dukkha. > > > > > > One observes it, and moves on. > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > P: Don't be a pussy, Dan. We're giving you > > tough love, not soft hate. > > D: You know what you're doing. It's not loving. > > And it's not wise. > > I won't pretend, and get with your program. > > The only " we " I see using negative, disrespectful name > calling is you and Werner. Additionally, " pussy " used > as a pejorative disrespects women, just as " retard " disrespects > people dealing with mental retardation. P: OK, Sarah, I have no program, and if I had one, I wouldn't want a pussy like you on it. You, just want a safe place to let your compulsion rip without being called on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Aggressive speech reflects unhappiness of spirit. > > > > > > > > > > There is no " correcting " an investment in dukkha. > > > > > > > > > > One observes it, and moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > P: Don't be a pussy, Dan. We're giving you > > > > tough love, not soft hate. > > > > > > D: You know what you're doing. It's not loving. > > > > > > And it's not wise. > > > > > > I won't pretend, and get with your program. > > > > > > The only " we " I see using negative, disrespectful name > > > calling is you and Werner. Additionally, " pussy " used > > > as a pejorative disrespects women, just as " retard " disrespects > > > people dealing with mental retardation. > > > > > > I'm happy to set up an alternative site that won't > > > have aggressive, disrespectful speech masquerading > > > as some kind of pretend wisdom. Pretending not to care > > > isn't love, and it isn't wisdom. > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to be on a *spiritual* site where the members leave their dirty boots outside and don't trample in and on beautiful minds. > > > > It's heartbreaking. > > > > ~A > > P: Wake up! Neither you, nor Dan have a beautiful > mind. If you can be offended, you have a plain, > ordinary mind. D: Pete your agenda in this respect is very obvious. You're trying to prove something to yourself. It's not working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Aggressive speech reflects unhappiness of spirit. > > > > > > > > There is no " correcting " an investment in dukkha. > > > > > > > > One observes it, and moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > P: Don't be a pussy, Dan. We're giving you > > > tough love, not soft hate. > > > > D: You know what you're doing. It's not loving. > > > > And it's not wise. > > > > I won't pretend, and get with your program. > > > > The only " we " I see using negative, disrespectful name > > calling is you and Werner. Additionally, " pussy " used > > as a pejorative disrespects women, just as " retard " disrespects > > people dealing with mental retardation. > > P: OK, Sarah, I have no program, and if I had > one, I wouldn't want a pussy like you on it. You, just > want a safe place to let your compulsion rip without > being called on it. D: That's how you see it. Thanks for expressing the contents of the brain named " Pete. " I get that it's supposed to be demeaning to a male to be addressed with a female name, in the brain named " Pete. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Aggressive speech reflects unhappiness of spirit. > > There is no " correcting " an investment in dukkha. > > One observes it, and moves on. > > > - Dan - > True. And awareness can't really 'see beyond itself'. So it's never really aimed at 'someone else'. The aggressive speaker gets to live with their unpleasant feelings. The presumed 'target' need not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Aggressive speech reflects unhappiness of spirit. > > > > > > > > There is no " correcting " an investment in dukkha. > > > > > > > > One observes it, and moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > P: Don't be a pussy, Dan. We're giving you > > > tough love, not soft hate. > > > > D: You know what you're doing. It's not loving. > > > > And it's not wise. > > > > I won't pretend, and get with your program. > > > > The only " we " I see using negative, disrespectful name > > calling is you and Werner. Additionally, " pussy " used > > as a pejorative disrespects women, just as " retard " disrespects > > people dealing with mental retardation. > > > > I'm happy to set up an alternative site that won't > > have aggressive, disrespectful speech masquerading > > as some kind of pretend wisdom. Pretending not to care > > isn't love, and it isn't wisdom. > > > > > > I would love to be on a *spiritual* site where the members leave their dirty boots outside and don't trample in and on beautiful minds. > > It's heartbreaking. > > ~A There's nothing wrong or unrealized about feelings, emotional responses, or even (God forbid) vulnerability. But the stereotype that to be aware means to disconnect feelings from words used is an active and thriving stereotype in some brains. For some reason (scratching head), it seems very often to be male brains. Smiles, - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Aggressive speech reflects unhappiness of spirit. > > > > > > > > > > There is no " correcting " an investment in dukkha. > > > > > > > > > > One observes it, and moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > P: Don't be a pussy, Dan. We're giving you > > > > tough love, not soft hate. > > > > > > D: You know what you're doing. It's not loving. > > > > > > And it's not wise. > > > > > > I won't pretend, and get with your program. > > > > > > The only " we " I see using negative, disrespectful name > > > calling is you and Werner. Additionally, " pussy " used > > > as a pejorative disrespects women, just as " retard " disrespects > > > people dealing with mental retardation. > > > > > > I'm happy to set up an alternative site that won't > > > have aggressive, disrespectful speech masquerading > > > as some kind of pretend wisdom. Pretending not to care > > > isn't love, and it isn't wisdom. > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to be on a *spiritual* site where the members leave their dirty boots outside and don't trample in and on beautiful minds. > > > > It's heartbreaking. > > > > ~A > > P: Wake up! Neither you, nor Dan have a beautiful > mind. If you can be offended, you have a plain, > ordinary mind. D: Ugh, a plain, ordinary mind. Who would want to be stuck with one of those yucky things? Hey, I know, let's prove that we can't be offended. Let's trade insults back and forth like Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino. Once we've assured ourselves our mind is beautiful, because it's not getting offended, we can go polish our bright, shiny, vintage automobile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > D: That's how you see it. Thanks for expressing the contents > of the brain named " Pete. " > > I get that it's supposed to be demeaning to a male to > be addressed with a female name, in the brain named " Pete. " > Male/female is part of what one could call 'identity', identifying with a body. " Feeling demeaned " when those boundaries are violated, is one way that the boundaries of 'being a body' are maintained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Aggressive speech reflects unhappiness of spirit. > > > > > > > > > > There is no " correcting " an investment in dukkha. > > > > > > > > > > One observes it, and moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > P: Don't be a pussy, Dan. We're giving you > > > > tough love, not soft hate. > > > > > > D: You know what you're doing. It's not loving. > > > > > > And it's not wise. > > > > > > I won't pretend, and get with your program. > > > > > > The only " we " I see using negative, disrespectful name > > > calling is you and Werner. Additionally, " pussy " used > > > as a pejorative disrespects women, just as " retard " disrespects > > > people dealing with mental retardation. > > > > > > I'm happy to set up an alternative site that won't > > > have aggressive, disrespectful speech masquerading > > > as some kind of pretend wisdom. Pretending not to care > > > isn't love, and it isn't wisdom. > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to be on a *spiritual* site where the members leave their dirty boots outside and don't trample in and on beautiful minds. > > > > It's heartbreaking. > > > > ~A > > There's nothing wrong or unrealized about feelings, emotional > responses, or even (God forbid) vulnerability. Who is there to actually " be vulnerable to " , though? Vulnerability is only possible when there's nobody to be vulnerable to. Otherwise, in-vestments (inner vestments, inner clothing) is essential. Pete is obviously going on about 'your posting compulsion', because he (believes he) has one himself. Do ya really think he'd care a whit, otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > D: That's how you see it. Thanks for expressing the contents > > of the brain named " Pete. " > > > > I get that it's supposed to be demeaning to a male to > > be addressed with a female name, in the brain named " Pete. " > > > > Male/female is part of what one could call 'identity', identifying with a body. > > " Feeling demeaned " when those boundaries are violated, is one way that the boundaries of 'being a body' are maintained. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Aggressive speech reflects unhappiness of spirit. > > > > > > > > > > There is no " correcting " an investment in dukkha. > > > > > > > > > > One observes it, and moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > P: Don't be a pussy, Dan. We're giving you > > > > tough love, not soft hate. > > > > > > D: You know what you're doing. It's not loving. > > > > > > And it's not wise. > > > > > > I won't pretend, and get with your program. > > > > > > The only " we " I see using negative, disrespectful name > > > calling is you and Werner. Additionally, " pussy " used > > > as a pejorative disrespects women, just as " retard " disrespects > > > people dealing with mental retardation. > > > > > > I'm happy to set up an alternative site that won't > > > have aggressive, disrespectful speech masquerading > > > as some kind of pretend wisdom. Pretending not to care > > > isn't love, and it isn't wisdom. > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to be on a *spiritual* site where the members leave their dirty boots outside and don't trample in and on beautiful minds. > > > > It's heartbreaking. > > > > ~A > > P: Wake up! Neither you, nor Dan have a beautiful > mind. If you can be offended, you have a plain, > ordinary mind. > > > is it bad to enjoy the guilty pleasure of nondual banter...it reminds me of watching don rickles in johhny carson show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aggressive speech reflects unhappiness of spirit. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no " correcting " an investment in dukkha. > > > > > > > > > > > > One observes it, and moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > P: Don't be a pussy, Dan. We're giving you > > > > > tough love, not soft hate. > > > > > > > > D: You know what you're doing. It's not loving. > > > > > > > > And it's not wise. > > > > > > > > I won't pretend, and get with your program. > > > > > > > > The only " we " I see using negative, disrespectful name > > > > calling is you and Werner. Additionally, " pussy " used > > > > as a pejorative disrespects women, just as " retard " disrespects > > > > people dealing with mental retardation. > > > > > > > > I'm happy to set up an alternative site that won't > > > > have aggressive, disrespectful speech masquerading > > > > as some kind of pretend wisdom. Pretending not to care > > > > isn't love, and it isn't wisdom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to be on a *spiritual* site where the members leave their dirty boots outside and don't trample in and on beautiful minds. > > > > > > It's heartbreaking. > > > > > > ~A > > > > There's nothing wrong or unrealized about feelings, emotional > > responses, or even (God forbid) vulnerability. > > Who is there to actually " be vulnerable to " , though? > > Vulnerability is only possible when there's nobody to be vulnerable to. Otherwise, in-vestments (inner vestments, inner clothing) is essential. > > Pete is obviously going on about 'your posting compulsion', because he (believes he) has one himself. > > Do ya really think he'd care a whit, otherwise? P: So let me understand, if I talk about someone's compulsion, I'm being aggressive, must have angry feelings, and must have a compulsion myself? But when you accuse me of having a non-specify compulsion, you are being nice, feeling cool and have no compulsion, right? Dan admits to have a posting compulsion and I am advising him pro bono. Isn't that nice of me? ) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > P: So let me understand, if I talk about someone's > compulsion, I'm being aggressive, must have angry > feelings, and must have a compulsion myself? Do you have a compulsion, Pete? > But when you accuse me of having a non-specify > compulsion, you are being nice, feeling cool > and have no compulsion, right? I don't feel as though I have any compulsion. That's good enough for me. If someone else claims to see a compulsion that I don't feel I have, all I can do is assume they're projecting something of their own onto me. If I'm happy, well-adjusted and content, and someone tells me " man, you're just miserable, dude... here, try this " -- am I supposed to buy what they say, and try it? As far as I know, I'm here, now, 24/7, " with myself " , and know what's going on here all the time. And so, nobody has anything to say about me that I don't already know. If that's the case with you, too... great :-). If you don't have a compulsion, have no problems... fantastic. Just say so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > P: So let me understand, if I talk about someone's > > compulsion, I'm being aggressive, must have angry > > feelings, and must have a compulsion myself? > > Do you have a compulsion, Pete? > > > But when you accuse me of having a non-specify > > compulsion, you are being nice, feeling cool > > and have no compulsion, right? > > I don't feel as though I have any compulsion. > > That's good enough for me. > > If someone else claims to see a compulsion that I don't feel I have, all I can do is assume they're projecting something of their own onto me. > > If I'm happy, well-adjusted and content, and someone tells me " man, you're just miserable, dude... here, try this " -- am I supposed to buy what they say, and try it? > > As far as I know, I'm here, now, 24/7, " with myself " , and know what's going on here all the time. > > And so, nobody has anything to say about me that I don't already know. > > If that's the case with you, too... great :-). If you don't have a compulsion, have no problems... fantastic. Just say so. > Compulsion? You feel you don't have? Get real Tim. Seriously. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 > > I would love to be on a *spiritual* site where the members leave their dirty boots outside and don't trample in and on beautiful minds. > > > > It's heartbreaking. > > > > ~A > > P: Wake up! Neither you, nor Dan have a beautiful > mind. If you can be offended, you have a plain, > ordinary mind. I know this is bridget's under the water already -- still: If we did what Anna suggests - leave our dirty boots outside the forum - there would of course just be beautiful minds in side - although it would only be half minds - half wits :-)) -Lene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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