Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 It seems most teachers of Nonduality want to promote a nonlocal, homeless, universal awareness as illustrated by the below paragraph by S. Sobottka, quoted by Jerry on this list: " Even if we can find no me and no witness of no-me, we might still feel that our awareness is confined to the skull. In that case, we look for what-it-is that sees that awareness is confined to the skull. If we see an awareness that is confined to the skull, we immediately see that what seems to be confined awareness cannot be true awareness " We can ask why are they doing this? Is it because they believe in a Cosmic Awareness as the source of manifestation, or is it because they think their readers are not ready to live without holding on to some sort of God concept? A god without form, qualities, power, nor knowledge of itself can be seem, for those that need a concept to hold on, as too naked to quell the vertigo of a non-existing self. So they throw the veil of Universal Awareness over this terrible absence of knowing. Notice, the last sentence of his paragraph: " If we see an awareness that is confined to the skull, we immediately see that what seems to be confined awareness cannot be true awareness. " That is a leap onto unsupported belief. It doesn't explain how or why we immediately must see that confined awareness can't not be true awareness? Besides, could there be a false awareness? There can be only one awareness, and it is neither true nor false. We can apply the concepts of true or false only to other concepts. One is aware or one is not. If aware, one can be seeing a hallucination, but one can't be hallucinating about being aware. The hallucination is just the content of awareness at that moment. Again, why this insistence on not localized awareness? Local, and not local are only concepts. What significance those have when feeling blissful, peaceful, infinite, full of a love that has no object. Do people really care at that moment, if awareness is localized or not? I don't think so. The enemy is the feeling of being a 'me' seeing the 'other'. When there is only seeing, it matters not where seeing comes from, or how long it will last. We have a greedy mind. The mind is just as greedy about spirituality as it's about the flesh. Spiritual greed might be even worse. The mind wants to live forever, and a not local awareness gives it hope to do so. To stand as awareness is very important step as Greg Goode points out in his excellent book " Standing As Awareness', but beyond that there is no standing at all, or as anything. There is no one to stand, and no thing on which to stand. How could it be bad not to be aware at all? Ask that question in earnest, and you will be free from the fear of: suffering, death, and non-awareness. The unconscious is the other side of the coin. The dark dark side can't be ignored by those who want to realize the whole Moon. As long as we are attached to life, we are not liberated, ponder this Nisargadatta statement: " The greatest calamity is to be born. " Pete http://cerosoul.wordpress.com http://awakefiction.wordpress.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 It seems most teachers of Nonduality want to promote a nonlocal, homeless, universal awareness... -pete ji- Awareness is nonlocal and universal regardless of any promotion... -geo jo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > It seems most teachers of Nonduality want to promote a nonlocal, > homeless, universal awareness... > -pete ji- > > Awareness is nonlocal and universal regardless of any promotion... > -geo jo- P: Or so you believe, but why? Do you repeat that thought constantly. Are there not moments when you are perfectly content without remembering that? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:33 PM Re: Homeless Awareness or Upper Room's Renter Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > It seems most teachers of Nonduality want to promote a nonlocal, > homeless, universal awareness... > -pete ji- > > Awareness is nonlocal and universal regardless of any promotion... > -geo jo- P: Or so you believe, but why? Do you repeat that thought constantly. Are there not moments when you are perfectly content without remembering that? geo: When thoughts about it arise there seems to be a location. Where is such location then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:33 PM > Re: Homeless Awareness or Upper Room's Renter > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It seems most teachers of Nonduality want to promote a nonlocal, > > homeless, universal awareness... > > -pete ji- > > > > Awareness is nonlocal and universal regardless of any promotion... > > -geo jo- > > P: Or so you believe, but why? Do you repeat that thought > constantly. Are there not moments when you are perfectly > content without remembering that? > > geo: When thoughts about it arise there seems to be a location. > Where is such location then? P: Again locating a self, or not is an idea. This idea has developed with the history of anatomy. The Egyptians and other ancient people considered the heart the seat of self, and threw away the brain, while embalming the heart. Greek surgeons were the first to recognize the brain as the seat of consciousness and intelligence. Aristotle disagree with them and agreed with the Egyptian belief. After the Catholic church adopted Aristotle as an authority, the brain was largely ignored for most of the middle ages. Only the Arabs keep considering the brain as the seat of self. Not until Vesalius (1514-64) and Descartes in the 17th century was the brain restored as the organ of consciousness and intelligence. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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