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Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> And when you see a blossoming flower and you smell it's fragrance you

instantly will say to yourself it doesn't exist, right ?

 

D: No. One is the experience as it happens. One is not saying anything to

oneself about it.

 

> And when you are falling in love with a sexy woman and during you have sex

with her you constantly repeat " she is not real, she is not real, she is just a

content of consciousnss " , won't you ?

 

D: No. One is simply being aware. It is not a verbal formulation at all.

 

> And that is what I meant with that in your veins there is no blood but just

nondual phrases.

 

D: You miss. You don't listen.

 

> Why not calling it a nondual neurosis ?

 

D: Call it whatever you like that helps you deflect realizing what this moment

is. One who is not ready to let one's self go, will focus on what others are

doing and giving labels to others. This helps one feel that one still has one's

self.

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> and here are now nearly all the kids back....

>

> bubbling out this their arrogance... .

>

> which isn't of anybodies interests... .

>

> and therefore the meaningless words and little fights...

>

> among this spiritual kids....

>

> dreaming to just Be....

>

> this their ignorance... .

>

> and/or to be the peace...

>

> they are dreaming about

>

> without knowing anything...

>

> about this their dreams...

>

> ...

>

> oooommmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmm

>

> ....

>

> Marc

 

It's true.

 

It's a game of avoidance and showing that one is superior to someone else.

 

And no listening.

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And remind Werner that he is only dealing with the contents of his

own consciousness.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Wrong, Dan !

> > > > >

> > > > > The world of consciousness is the world we are communicating and

sharing. It is this sharing which builds up and constitutes society.

> > > > >

> > > > > You are the world and the world is you.

> > > > >

> > > > > You must know this expression of K, Dan, because already since 10

years you are a member of the Krishnamurti list.

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > >

> > > > Werner, I'm quoting you. You who said everything is consciousness, and

consciousness is its contents.

> > > >

> > > > You've never followed through on what you yourself said.

> > > >

> > > > If you followed through on it, you'd realize that all your comments >

about what others are doing, are comments about the contents of

> > > > your own consciousness.

> > > >

> > > > And the comments also are contents of your consciousness.

> > > >

> > > > But although you can say the words, you can't actually see this.

> > >

> > > It's amazing he can't see this simple fact.

> > >

> > > It's right out in the open, in plain view.

> >

> > Yes, it is.

> >

> > And although its obvious, it's defended against nonstop.

> >

> > Why?

> >

> > To keep a personal sense of existence going.

> >

> > To keep a stance vis a vis the imagined other.

> >

> > To keep " me " as " mine " and " not yours. "

> >

> > My words keep you away from me, and me away from you.

> >

> > And that is the payoff.

> >

> > With all the frustration involved in me vs you being misunderstood, and

projected outward as " something that is wrong with you. "

> >

> > - D -

> >

>

> He sees it, and he doesn't see it.

>

> Hangs out on list(s) devoted to 'nonduality' and complains about

'nondualists', like someone hanging out at a car dealership and complaining

about automobiles.

>

> Somehow, the contradiction in that isn't clear to him.

>

> It's interesting.

 

It's clear to him.

 

He enjoys whatever drama he can get going for himself by telling people that

they are stupid.

 

He's not here to listen, but to enjoy himself at the expense of imagined others.

 

There is an absurdity in talking to someone who is not listening.

 

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

 

> It's funny how thought can " be out there " , imagine to " be out there with the

other " , and yet not be anywhere, not go anywhere. Nisargadatta put it this way:

>

> " As the sun knows not darkness, so does the self know not the non-self. It is

the mind, which by knowing the other, becomes the other. Yet the mind is nothing

else but the self. It is the self that becomes the other, the not-self, and yet

remains the self. All else is an assumption. Just as a cloud obscures the sun

without in any way affecting it, so does assumption obscure reality without

destroying it. " -- from " I Am That "

 

 

It's a nice quote.

 

Clearly, nice quotes won't get through if there is not listening.

 

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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>

>

> Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > And when you see a blossoming flower and you smell it's fragrance you

instantly will say to yourself it doesn't exist, right ?

>

> D: No. One is the experience as it happens. One is not saying anything to

oneself about it.

>

> > And when you are falling in love with a sexy woman and during you have sex

with her you constantly repeat " she is not real, she is not real, she is just a

content of consciousnss " , won't you ?

>

> D: No. One is simply being aware. It is not a verbal formulation at all.

>

> > And that is what I meant with that in your veins there is no blood but just

nondual phrases.

>

> D: You miss. You don't listen.

 

Fear of being something other than 'flesh and blood'.

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>

> There is an absurdity in talking to someone who is not listening.

>

>

> - D -

 

P: Yes, it's quite absurd that you don't listen to

Werner and Pete. We are just trying to cure you from

your delusions of grandeur. Now, that Bob is gone,

we are the last bus out of Danville, the broken record

capital of the world.

>

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

>

> >

> > There is an absurdity in talking to someone who is not listening.

> >

> >

> > - D -

>

> P: Yes, it's quite absurd that you don't listen to

> Werner and Pete. We are just trying to cure you from

> your delusions of grandeur.

 

Physician(s), heal thyself.

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

>

> >

> > There is an absurdity in talking to someone who is not listening.

> >

> >

> > - D -

>

> P: Yes, it's quite absurd that you don't listen to

> Werner and Pete. We are just trying to cure you from

> your delusions of grandeur. Now, that Bob is gone,

> we are the last bus out of Danville, the broken record

> capital of the world.

> >

 

D: It's not about me, Pete.

 

Focusing on me is just a distraction.

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

>

> >

> > There is an absurdity in talking to someone who is not listening.

> >

> >

> > - D -

>

> P: Yes, it's quite absurd that you don't listen to

> Werner and Pete. We are just trying to cure you from

> your delusions of grandeur. Now, that Bob is gone,

> we are the last bus out of Danville, the broken record

> capital of the world.

 

D: P.S. To bring Bob up this way, in this context,

doesn't fit. Bob's persona on this list was as

an equal opportunity destroyer. He would never

do this kind of catty aligning with Werner that you

are up to. Bob did not stoop to forming alliances

to try to score points against an imagined other.

And unlike you and AC, Bob understood Werner's

game, and would not reinforce it.

 

I would have to give Bob props on that item.

 

It appears he currently is being moderated, though.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > >

> > > There is an absurdity in talking to someone who is not listening.

> > >

> > >

> > > - D -

> >

> > P: Yes, it's quite absurd that you don't listen to

> > Werner and Pete. We are just trying to cure you from

> > your delusions of grandeur. Now, that Bob is gone,

> > we are the last bus out of Danville, the broken record

> > capital of the world.

> > >

>

> D: It's not about me, Pete.

>

> Focusing on me is just a distraction.

 

P: Yes, again! Your obsession with your " me' (as

these most valuable Dan's insights that must be

posted ad nauseum) are indeed a distraction.

>

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > >

> > > There is an absurdity in talking to someone who is not listening.

> > >

> > >

> > > - D -

> >

> > P: Yes, it's quite absurd that you don't listen to

> > Werner and Pete. We are just trying to cure you from

> > your delusions of grandeur. Now, that Bob is gone,

> > we are the last bus out of Danville, the broken record

> > capital of the world.

>

> D: P.S. To bring Bob up this way, in this context,

> doesn't fit. Bob's persona on this list was as

> an equal opportunity destroyer. He would never

> do this kind of catty aligning with Werner that you

> are up to.

 

Is " Dan " up to aligning with " Bob " , when it comes to " Pete? " ;-).

 

And we'll have fun, fun, fun 'til our daddy takes the list-posts awayyyyy...

;-).

 

Cheers...

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > >

> > > There is an absurdity in talking to someone who is not listening.

> > >

> > >

> > > - D -

> >

> > P: Yes, it's quite absurd that you don't listen to

> > Werner and Pete. We are just trying to cure you from

> > your delusions of grandeur. Now, that Bob is gone,

> > we are the last bus out of Danville, the broken record

> > capital of the world.

>

> D: P.S. To bring Bob up this way, in this context,

> doesn't fit. Bob's persona on this list was as

> an equal opportunity destroyer. He would never

> do this kind of catty aligning with Werner that you

> are up to. Bob did not stoop to forming alliances

> to try to score points against an imagined other.

> And unlike you and AC, Bob understood Werner's

> game, and would not reinforce it.

>

> I would have to give Bob props on that item.

>

> It appears he currently is being moderated, though.

 

P: Again, yes! Bob was the bus you missed out of

Danville. But Werner's Airlines has a flight out of there

every night, and Pete's choo choo is leaving now on track

nine. All aboard!

 

That Bob is being moderated only Hur can tell, but

I doubt it.

>

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > There is an absurdity in talking to someone who is not listening.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > - D -

> > >

> > > P: Yes, it's quite absurd that you don't listen to

> > > Werner and Pete. We are just trying to cure you from

> > > your delusions of grandeur. Now, that Bob is gone,

> > > we are the last bus out of Danville, the broken record

> > > capital of the world.

> >

> > D: P.S. To bring Bob up this way, in this context,

> > doesn't fit. Bob's persona on this list was as

> > an equal opportunity destroyer. He would never

> > do this kind of catty aligning with Werner that you

> > are up to. Bob did not stoop to forming alliances

> > to try to score points against an imagined other.

> > And unlike you and AC, Bob understood Werner's

> > game, and would not reinforce it.

> >

> > I would have to give Bob props on that item.

> >

> > It appears he currently is being moderated, though.

>

> P: Again, yes! Bob was the bus you missed out of

> Danville.

 

Somehow, I suspect Dan isn't seeking to get away from anything, nor is he

seeking to get to something.

 

But that's only because I understand " Dan's ways " , well and deeply.

 

" His ways " are " my ways " .

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > There is an absurdity in talking to someone who is not listening.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > - D -

> > >

> > > P: Yes, it's quite absurd that you don't listen to

> > > Werner and Pete. We are just trying to cure you from

> > > your delusions of grandeur. Now, that Bob is gone,

> > > we are the last bus out of Danville, the broken record

> > > capital of the world.

> >

> > D: P.S. To bring Bob up this way, in this context,

> > doesn't fit. Bob's persona on this list was as

> > an equal opportunity destroyer. He would never

> > do this kind of catty aligning with Werner that you

> > are up to.

>

> Is " Dan " up to aligning with " Bob " , when it comes to " Pete? " ;-).

>

> And we'll have fun, fun, fun 'til our daddy takes the list-posts awayyyyy...

;-).

>

> Cheers...

 

Nah, gamemanship with personalized, rejecting commentary isn't much fun for me,

I'm afraid.

 

Although riding around in a T-Bird sounds like fun.

 

;-)

 

Discussing awareness, understanding, and other things that Nisargadatta enjoyed

addressing is also fun.

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > There is an absurdity in talking to someone who is not listening.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > - D -

> > >

> > > P: Yes, it's quite absurd that you don't listen to

> > > Werner and Pete. We are just trying to cure you from

> > > your delusions of grandeur. Now, that Bob is gone,

> > > we are the last bus out of Danville, the broken record

> > > capital of the world.

> > > >

> >

> > D: It's not about me, Pete.

> >

> > Focusing on me is just a distraction.

>

> P: Yes, again! Your obsession with your " me' (as

> these most valuable Dan's insights that must be

> posted ad nauseum) are indeed a distraction.

 

D: They are just words on a screen, Pete. No particular value

to any of them. Whatever a reader attributes to them, I

suppose. Otherwise, they are just little squiggly lines.

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > There is an absurdity in talking to someone who is not listening.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > - D -

> > >

> > > P: Yes, it's quite absurd that you don't listen to

> > > Werner and Pete. We are just trying to cure you from

> > > your delusions of grandeur. Now, that Bob is gone,

> > > we are the last bus out of Danville, the broken record

> > > capital of the world.

> >

> > D: P.S. To bring Bob up this way, in this context,

> > doesn't fit. Bob's persona on this list was as

> > an equal opportunity destroyer. He would never

> > do this kind of catty aligning with Werner that you

> > are up to. Bob did not stoop to forming alliances

> > to try to score points against an imagined other.

> > And unlike you and AC, Bob understood Werner's

> > game, and would not reinforce it.

> >

> > I would have to give Bob props on that item.

> >

> > It appears he currently is being moderated, though.

>

> P: Again, yes! Bob was the bus you missed out of

> Danville. But Werner's Airlines has a flight out of there

> every night, and Pete's choo choo is leaving now on track

> nine. All aboard!

 

D: Your airlines create their own turbulence, so no thanks.

 

> That Bob is being moderated only Hur can tell, but

> I doubt it.

 

D: Up to Hur to say, or not.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > There is an absurdity in talking to someone who is not listening.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > - D -

> > > >

> > > > P: Yes, it's quite absurd that you don't listen to

> > > > Werner and Pete. We are just trying to cure you from

> > > > your delusions of grandeur. Now, that Bob is gone,

> > > > we are the last bus out of Danville, the broken record

> > > > capital of the world.

> > >

> > > D: P.S. To bring Bob up this way, in this context,

> > > doesn't fit. Bob's persona on this list was as

> > > an equal opportunity destroyer. He would never

> > > do this kind of catty aligning with Werner that you

> > > are up to. Bob did not stoop to forming alliances

> > > to try to score points against an imagined other.

> > > And unlike you and AC, Bob understood Werner's

> > > game, and would not reinforce it.

> > >

> > > I would have to give Bob props on that item.

> > >

> > > It appears he currently is being moderated, though.

> >

> > P: Again, yes! Bob was the bus you missed out of

> > Danville.

>

> Somehow, I suspect Dan isn't seeking to get away from anything, nor is he

seeking to get to something.

>

> But that's only because I understand " Dan's ways " , well and deeply.

>

> " His ways " are " my ways " .

 

D: There's a resonance, all right. Can't say who is resonating

with who, or who's way is which.

 

But a bell that's ringing a " high C " will have the same

note coming out of one side as from the other.

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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>

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > There is an absurdity in talking to someone who is not listening.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > - D -

> > > >

> > > > P: Yes, it's quite absurd that you don't listen to

> > > > Werner and Pete. We are just trying to cure you from

> > > > your delusions of grandeur. Now, that Bob is gone,

> > > > we are the last bus out of Danville, the broken record

> > > > capital of the world.

> > >

> > > D: P.S. To bring Bob up this way, in this context,

> > > doesn't fit. Bob's persona on this list was as

> > > an equal opportunity destroyer. He would never

> > > do this kind of catty aligning with Werner that you

> > > are up to. Bob did not stoop to forming alliances

> > > to try to score points against an imagined other.

> > > And unlike you and AC, Bob understood Werner's

> > > game, and would not reinforce it.

> > >

> > > I would have to give Bob props on that item.

> > >

> > > It appears he currently is being moderated, though.

> >

> > P: Again, yes! Bob was the bus you missed out of

> > Danville. But Werner's Airlines has a flight out of there

> > every night, and Pete's choo choo is leaving now on track

> > nine. All aboard!

>

> D: Your airlines create their own turbulence, so no thanks.

>

> > That Bob is being moderated only Hur can tell, but

> > I doubt it.

>

> D: Up to Hur to say, or not.

>

bob is not moderated but that can change anytime when he comes back.

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

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>

> >

> > There is an absurdity in talking to someone who is not listening.

> >

> >

> > - D -

>

> P: Yes, it's quite absurd that you don't listen to

> Werner and Pete. We are just trying to cure you from

> your delusions of grandeur. Now, that Bob is gone,

> we are the last bus out of Danville, the broken record

> capital of the world.

 

 

 

Heya Pete,

 

I haven't read messages here, on Dans forum or yours lately.

Been busy on and off on a K-forum which has now been closed.

Lovely! One down - how many to go?

 

This has had me consider to step out for good - because, you

see, Pete - when there is " just " " normal daily activity " and

no chitchat on philosophical re. non-dual/dual matters, then

what's been found out about is completely gone with the wind,

and one is back at - yes - square one

 

This means that unless I nurture ideas and concepts and what

else is going on up in da head, which provides the idea that

I know something; unless this is taking place I know nothing

- absolutely nothing!

 

So, can I stand here -- nonknowing what I am and why and how

- and just " get on with it " - without seeking myself?

 

I do not know. I need to focus on urgent practical affairs a

while and settle with the fact that I am - but I do not know

what I am.

 

I may very well in essence be the watching what is going on -

the watching, listening, attention - which is nobody, nomind,

nobrain. It is also not inside or outside of body. It simply

is, but is nowhere to be found; it can not be located; it is

impersonal or transpersonal, beyond personal ... whatever.

 

Love and best wishes.

Sees

 

-Lene

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Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote:

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>

>

>

>

> Heya Pete,

>

> I haven't read messages here, on Dans forum or yours lately.

> Been busy on and off on a K-forum which has now been closed.

> Lovely! One down - how many to go?

>

> Love and best wishes.

> Sees

>

> -Lene

 

P: Well, I'm glad you're back. Almost everyone

is back. I'll scratch everybody's back, even if

you people don't scratch mine that itches for good

nondual talk. Say something really deep, profound,

sublime. Say, for example, monkeys are many,

bananas are One.

 

>

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> >

>H: bob is not moderated but that can change anytime when he comes back.

>

P: Bob is reading, but not posting. Maybe if all who

asked for his banishment, beg him sweetly, he'd

consider to write a few liberating words for their

deluded minds. )

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Heya Pete,

> >

> > I haven't read messages here, on Dans forum or yours lately.

> > Been busy on and off on a K-forum which has now been closed.

> > Lovely! One down - how many to go?

> >

> > Love and best wishes.

> > Sees

> >

> > -Lene

>

> P: Well, I'm glad you're back. Almost everyone

> is back. I'll scratch everybody's back, even if

> you people don't scratch mine that itches for good

> nondual talk.

 

I've seen plenty of 'good nondual talk' that Pete complains about.

 

And it's always the poster, a perceived " self " , that's the subject of the

complaint, not the material in question.

 

Perhaps you could program your PC to spit out " good " nondual phrases, so's you

don't have to deal with all those awful " selves out there " .

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To whom it concerns.

 

Hey Timothy

 

This one is never too clever to learn more about herself

and would like to share a little learning with you here.

 

Found a book by Alice A. Bailey at the library yesterday

- on reincarnation.

 

What is said about one as three appealed and I recognised

it as something I have always known, only forgotten again

likely due to my having played so much around, that I was

lost and had to be reminded of what/who I really am.

 

One is:

 

Spirit showing as individuals showing as personalities.

 

The formless is the form(s) Mani-folded is None-folded un

folding. The best way to be folded is to be One-folded. U

ask JC about that. Onefolded is Simple Simon, Fool on the

hill etc.

 

But we're no fools so we need a bit intuition and combine

it with our intellect. I got that from Baily - but I have

nevertheless done it - intuitively all the way through.

 

Unlike what many individuals/personalities seem to figure

the in-dividual is the same as ego is the same as self. I

prefer the expression individual. It means un-divided and

that is what individuals are. So that.

 

Division is but one, the unknowable, showing off as many;

that way it can play games with itself - I heard it likes

the game of chess

 

If we want to know what and who we are in essence it seems

we must turn the look backwards and downwards as Alice did

when she vanished into the rabbit-hole. She took a journey

into herself as she moved backwards and downward. When she

had learnt what she had come for she moved UPwards FORward

and knew what she had to do. All was clear. This is my own

interpretation.

 

So we need to move to the radix, the root of ourselves and

to be persistant about it, radical - or stay lost - but no

chance really - one cannot run away from what one is - not

forever at least

 

Any comments?

 

Cheers

-Lene

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Heya Pete,

> > >

> > > I haven't read messages here, on Dans forum or yours lately.

> > > Been busy on and off on a K-forum which has now been closed.

> > > Lovely! One down - how many to go?

> > >

> > > Love and best wishes.

> > > Sees

> > >

> > > -Lene

> >

> > P: Well, I'm glad you're back. Almost everyone

> > is back. I'll scratch everybody's back, even if

> > you people don't scratch mine that itches for good

> > nondual talk.

>

> I've seen plenty of 'good nondual talk' that Pete complains about.

>

> And it's always the poster, a perceived " self " , that's the subject of the

complaint, not the material in question.

>

> Perhaps you could program your PC to spit out " good " nondual phrases, so's you

don't have to deal with all those awful " selves out there " .

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote:

>

> To whom it concerns.

>

> Hey Timothy

>

> This one is never too clever to learn more about herself

> and would like to share a little learning with you here.

>

> Found a book by Alice A. Bailey at the library yesterday

> - on reincarnation.

>

> What is said about one as three appealed and I recognised

> it as something I have always known, only forgotten again

> likely due to my having played so much around, that I was

> lost and had to be reminded of what/who I really am.

>

> One is:

>

> Spirit showing as individuals showing as personalities.

>

> The formless is the form(s) Mani-folded is None-folded un

> folding. The best way to be folded is to be One-folded. U

> ask JC about that. Onefolded is Simple Simon, Fool on the

> hill etc.

>

> But we're no fools so we need a bit intuition and combine

> it with our intellect. I got that from Baily - but I have

> nevertheless done it - intuitively all the way through.

>

> Unlike what many individuals/personalities seem to figure

> the in-dividual is the same as ego is the same as self. I

> prefer the expression individual. It means un-divided and

> that is what individuals are. So that.

>

> Division is but one, the unknowable, showing off as many;

> that way it can play games with itself - I heard it likes

> the game of chess

>

> If we want to know what and who we are in essence it seems

> we must turn the look backwards and downwards as Alice did

> when she vanished into the rabbit-hole. She took a journey

> into herself as she moved backwards and downward. When she

> had learnt what she had come for she moved UPwards FORward

> and knew what she had to do. All was clear. This is my own

> interpretation.

>

> So we need to move to the radix, the root of ourselves and

> to be persistant about it, radical - or stay lost - but no

> chance really - one cannot run away from what one is - not

> forever at least

>

> Any comments?

 

 

Yes a comment, Lene,

 

In case you knew the root of yourself (which you don't) who should be the mover

of the root ? And who should be persistant about it ?

 

It is awlays the same story:

 

You read a book or an artical and thought says 'I must do it' or 'I must get it.

 

But thought is not the doer and won't be able to do anything nor to get

anything. Thought is created by the brain for eventual verbal commmunication but

not for doinng.

 

The doing or the 'will' happens in regions of the brain which are unconscious

and are beyond your control. And if some action will start then thought is

accompaning those action and maintaining to be their doer or the initiator of

them.

 

Werner

 

 

>

> Cheers

> -Lene

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Heya Pete,

> > > >

> > > > I haven't read messages here, on Dans forum or yours lately.

> > > > Been busy on and off on a K-forum which has now been closed.

> > > > Lovely! One down - how many to go?

> > > >

> > > > Love and best wishes.

> > > > Sees

> > > >

> > > > -Lene

> > >

> > > P: Well, I'm glad you're back. Almost everyone

> > > is back. I'll scratch everybody's back, even if

> > > you people don't scratch mine that itches for good

> > > nondual talk.

> >

> > I've seen plenty of 'good nondual talk' that Pete complains about.

> >

> > And it's always the poster, a perceived " self " , that's the subject of the

complaint, not the material in question.

> >

> > Perhaps you could program your PC to spit out " good " nondual phrases, so's

you don't have to deal with all those awful " selves out there " .

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

 

> " As the sun knows not darkness, so does the self know not the non-self. It is

the mind, which by knowing the other, becomes the other. Yet the mind is nothing

else but the self. It is the self that becomes the other, the not-self, and yet

remains the self. All else is an assumption. Just as a cloud obscures the sun

without in any way affecting it, so does assumption obscure reality without

destroying it. " -- from " I Am That "

 

 

Beautiful! Thanks for the quote, Tim.

 

-Lene