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Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of a desire?

 

Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a body as its

nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of consciousness, the entire

universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to desire, for I am complete

forever.

 

Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people?

 

Maharaj: I am the people.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of a

desire?

>

> Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a body as

its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of consciousness, the

entire universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to desire, for I am

complete forever.

>

> Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people?

>

> Maharaj: I am the people.

>

 

Nis. above is speaking of the 'uncarved block', undifferentiated awareness, in

which one's 'inside' and 'outside' are both inside.

 

Dan and I have discussed this, how awareness gets pulled into a " self and other "

configuration, unless/until it dissolves again into its unconfigured,

undifferentiated state.

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Tim G.

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Monday, March 22, 2010 11:47 AM

Re: today's Nisargadatta

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of a

> desire?

>

> Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a body

> as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of consciousness,

> the entire universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to desire,

> for I am complete forever.

>

> Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people?

>

> Maharaj: I am the people.

>

 

Nis. above is speaking of the 'uncarved block', undifferentiated awareness,

in

which one's 'inside' and 'outside' are both inside.

 

Dan and I have discussed this, how awareness gets pulled into a " self and

other "

configuration, unless/until it dissolves again into its unconfigured,

undifferentiated state.

-tim-

 

I am not sure whether he calls the " I am the world and the world is me " as

undifferentiated

awareness - does not matter, anyway he does not stop there. The " I am the

world " is grounded into

Awareness, the Ultimate, Parabrahman, the Unborn. The later are some names I

recall having

read in his books. One of the things that I never heard before, and made me

ponder is the

fact that this " I am " - nis says - is a product of food, its matter, while

the Ultimate, Awareness,

is not.

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

> -

> Tim G.

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, March 22, 2010 11:47 AM

> Re: today's Nisargadatta

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of a

> > desire?

> >

> > Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a body

> > as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of consciousness,

> > the entire universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to desire,

> > for I am complete forever.

> >

> > Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people?

> >

> > Maharaj: I am the people.

> >

>

> Nis. above is speaking of the 'uncarved block', undifferentiated awareness,

> in

> which one's 'inside' and 'outside' are both inside.

>

> Dan and I have discussed this, how awareness gets pulled into a " self and

> other "

> configuration, unless/until it dissolves again into its unconfigured,

> undifferentiated state.

> -tim-

>

> I am not sure whether he calls the " I am the world and the world is me " as

> undifferentiated

> awareness - does not matter, anyway he does not stop there. The " I am the

> world " is grounded into

> Awareness, the Ultimate, Parabrahman, the Unborn. The later are some names I

> recall having

> read in his books. One of the things that I never heard before, and made me

> ponder is the

> fact that this " I am " - nis says - is a product of food, its matter, while

> the Ultimate, Awareness,

> is not.

> -geo-

>

 

He used the term " I am " in several different ways, as I recall, in various

talks, with the English translation of his talks making little distinction

between them.

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Monday, March 22, 2010 12:28 PM

Re: today's Nisargadatta

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > Tim G.

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, March 22, 2010 11:47 AM

> > Re: today's Nisargadatta

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of

> > > a

> > > desire?

> > >

> > > Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a

> > > body

> > > as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of

> > > consciousness,

> > > the entire universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to

> > > desire,

> > > for I am complete forever.

> > >

> > > Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people?

> > >

> > > Maharaj: I am the people.

> > >

> >

> > Nis. above is speaking of the 'uncarved block', undifferentiated

> > awareness,

> > in

> > which one's 'inside' and 'outside' are both inside.

> >

> > Dan and I have discussed this, how awareness gets pulled into a " self

> > and

> > other "

> > configuration, unless/until it dissolves again into its unconfigured,

> > undifferentiated state.

> > -tim-

> >

> > I am not sure whether he calls the " I am the world and the world is me "

> > as

> > undifferentiated

> > awareness - does not matter, anyway he does not stop there. The " I am

> > the

> > world " is grounded into

> > Awareness, the Ultimate, Parabrahman, the Unborn. The later are some

> > names I

> > recall having

> > read in his books. One of the things that I never heard before, and made

> > me

> > ponder is the

> > fact that this " I am " - nis says - is a product of food, its matter,

> > while

> > the Ultimate, Awareness,

> > is not.

> > -geo-

> >

>

> He used the term " I am " in several different ways, as I recall, in various

> talks, with the English translation of his talks making little distinction

> between them.

>

 

P.S. in my opinion, and based on 'my own direct experience' compared to his

talks -- the translations of his works are not perfect, but are very good

(particularly " I Am That " ).

===

 

I don't see any problems with translation - really. His way of expounding,

of laying the map open is so simple that

no doubts remain once understood. Its almost like counting till three.

Perhaps " awareness " or " ultimate " may not be exact

translations..... but what expression, which symbol will do it? Anyway he

used several different words.

The " I am the world " he also called as equivalent to God, to Brahman. And

the no-thing beyond - among others

as Parabrahman, that means " beyond Brahman " or " beyond God " .

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of a

desire?

> >

> > Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a body as

its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of consciousness, the

entire universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to desire, for I am

complete forever.

> >

> > Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people?

> >

> > Maharaj: I am the people.

> >

>

> Nis. above is speaking of the 'uncarved block', undifferentiated awareness, in

> which one's 'inside' and 'outside' are both inside.

>

> Dan and I have discussed this, how awareness gets pulled into a " self and

other "

> configuration, unless/until it dissolves again into its unconfigured,

> undifferentiated state.

 

Hi Tim -

 

As you bring this up, I want to add that understanding without differentiation

involves understanding differentiation.

 

The self-other configuration is free to arise, and I understand " no self without

other, no other without self - no separation of one from the other, no space and

time gap between one and the other. "

 

The configuration that is free to arise, is free to dissolve as well.

 

Everything that arises, co-arises, and the arising is the dissolving.

 

The dissolving of one thing is the arising of another thing - and so things

aren't separately existing.

 

Nor is " arising " some kind of separate situation - arising and that which does

not arise, co-define.

 

And ...

 

The known never arises independently from or of the unknown.

 

One is this unknown, even as one speaks with words that refer to the past, to

the known.

 

- D -

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Monday, March 22, 2010 4:10 PM

Re: today's Nisargadatta

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of a

> > desire?

> >

> > Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a body

> > as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of

> > consciousness, the entire universe of all that is and knows. I have

> > nothing to desire, for I am complete forever.

> >

> > Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people?

> >

> > Maharaj: I am the people.

> >

>

> Nis. above is speaking of the 'uncarved block', undifferentiated

> awareness, in

> which one's 'inside' and 'outside' are both inside.

>

> Dan and I have discussed this, how awareness gets pulled into a " self and

> other "

> configuration, unless/until it dissolves again into its unconfigured,

> undifferentiated state.

 

Hi Tim -

 

As you bring this up, I want to add that understanding without

differentiation involves understanding differentiation.

 

The self-other configuration is free to arise, and I understand " no self

without other, no other without self - no separation of one from the other,

no space and time gap between one and the other. "

 

The configuration that is free to arise, is free to dissolve as well.

 

Everything that arises, co-arises, and the arising is the dissolving.

 

The dissolving of one thing is the arising of another thing - and so things

aren't separately existing.

 

Nor is " arising " some kind of separate situation - arising and that which

does not arise, co-define.

 

And ...

 

The known never arises independently from or of the unknown.

 

One is this unknown, even as one speaks with words that refer to the past,

to the known.

 

- D -

 

So.... as the manifested, brilliant bubble is....so does the dark source of

all light.

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > Tim G.

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, March 22, 2010 11:47 AM

> > Re: today's Nisargadatta

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of a

> > > desire?

> > >

> > > Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a body

> > > as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of consciousness,

> > > the entire universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to desire,

> > > for I am complete forever.

> > >

> > > Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people?

> > >

> > > Maharaj: I am the people.

> > >

> >

> > Nis. above is speaking of the 'uncarved block', undifferentiated awareness,

> > in

> > which one's 'inside' and 'outside' are both inside.

> >

> > Dan and I have discussed this, how awareness gets pulled into a " self and

> > other "

> > configuration, unless/until it dissolves again into its unconfigured,

> > undifferentiated state.

> > -tim-

> >

> > I am not sure whether he calls the " I am the world and the world is me " as

> > undifferentiated

> > awareness - does not matter, anyway he does not stop there. The " I am the

> > world " is grounded into

> > Awareness, the Ultimate, Parabrahman, the Unborn. The later are some names I

> > recall having

> > read in his books. One of the things that I never heard before, and made me

> > ponder is the

> > fact that this " I am " - nis says - is a product of food, its matter, while

> > the Ultimate, Awareness,

> > is not.

> > -geo-

> >

>

> He used the term " I am " in several different ways, as I recall, in various

talks, with the English translation of his talks making little distinction

between them.

>

 

at the scientific level we are at in 2010 it's unlikely that we can understand

all the aspects of consciousness. it's as if we have an amazing gadget in our

brains that is far ahead of us in order for us to understand. enjoy the ride and

in the meantime try not to worry too much which vine the grapes came from and

how this wine was made.

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Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > Tim G.

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, March 22, 2010 11:47 AM

> > > Re: today's Nisargadatta

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of a

> > > > desire?

> > > >

> > > > Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a body

> > > > as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of

consciousness,

> > > > the entire universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to desire,

> > > > for I am complete forever.

> > > >

> > > > Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people?

> > > >

> > > > Maharaj: I am the people.

> > > >

> > >

> > > Nis. above is speaking of the 'uncarved block', undifferentiated

awareness,

> > > in

> > > which one's 'inside' and 'outside' are both inside.

> > >

> > > Dan and I have discussed this, how awareness gets pulled into a " self and

> > > other "

> > > configuration, unless/until it dissolves again into its unconfigured,

> > > undifferentiated state.

> > > -tim-

> > >

> > > I am not sure whether he calls the " I am the world and the world is me " as

> > > undifferentiated

> > > awareness - does not matter, anyway he does not stop there. The " I am the

> > > world " is grounded into

> > > Awareness, the Ultimate, Parabrahman, the Unborn. The later are some names

I

> > > recall having

> > > read in his books. One of the things that I never heard before, and made

me

> > > ponder is the

> > > fact that this " I am " - nis says - is a product of food, its matter, while

> > > the Ultimate, Awareness,

> > > is not.

> > > -geo-

> > >

> >

> > He used the term " I am " in several different ways, as I recall, in various

talks, with the English translation of his talks making little distinction

between them.

> >

>

> at the scientific level we are at in 2010 it's unlikely that we can understand

all the aspects of consciousness. it's as if we have an amazing gadget in our

brains that is far ahead of us in order for us to understand. enjoy the ride and

in the meantime try not to worry too much which vine the grapes came from and

how this wine was made.

>

 

Consciousness is a product of " the food body " , i.e., the body/mind complex. When

the body goes, so does consciousness. What was prior to the body's conception

and prior to consciousness, is present with the body, exists after the body

shuffles off, is the Absolute. This is basic Nisargadatta.

 

Richard

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Nisargadatta , " richarkar " <richarkar wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Tim G.

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Monday, March 22, 2010 11:47 AM

> > > > Re: today's Nisargadatta

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of

a

> > > > > desire?

> > > > >

> > > > > Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a

body

> > > > > as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of

consciousness,

> > > > > the entire universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to

desire,

> > > > > for I am complete forever.

> > > > >

> > > > > Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people?

> > > > >

> > > > > Maharaj: I am the people.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nis. above is speaking of the 'uncarved block', undifferentiated

awareness,

> > > > in

> > > > which one's 'inside' and 'outside' are both inside.

> > > >

> > > > Dan and I have discussed this, how awareness gets pulled into a " self

and

> > > > other "

> > > > configuration, unless/until it dissolves again into its unconfigured,

> > > > undifferentiated state.

> > > > -tim-

> > > >

> > > > I am not sure whether he calls the " I am the world and the world is me "

as

> > > > undifferentiated

> > > > awareness - does not matter, anyway he does not stop there. The " I am

the

> > > > world " is grounded into

> > > > Awareness, the Ultimate, Parabrahman, the Unborn. The later are some

names I

> > > > recall having

> > > > read in his books. One of the things that I never heard before, and made

me

> > > > ponder is the

> > > > fact that this " I am " - nis says - is a product of food, its matter,

while

> > > > the Ultimate, Awareness,

> > > > is not.

> > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > >

> > > He used the term " I am " in several different ways, as I recall, in various

talks, with the English translation of his talks making little distinction

between them.

> > >

> >

> > at the scientific level we are at in 2010 it's unlikely that we can

understand all the aspects of consciousness. it's as if we have an amazing

gadget in our brains that is far ahead of us in order for us to understand.

enjoy the ride and in the meantime try not to worry too much which vine the

grapes came from and how this wine was made.

> >

>

> Consciousness is a product of " the food body " , i.e., the body/mind complex.

When the body goes, so does consciousness. What was prior to the body's

conception and prior to consciousness, is present with the body, exists after

the body shuffles off, is the Absolute. This is basic Nisargadatta.

>

> Richard

>

 

 

And in addition Nis also told that one cannot be conscious of the Absolute.

 

And now what to do ? Endlessly specuate about it or wouldn't it be better to

quickly forget the Absolute and learn to deal with what is, which one can be

conscious of, the I AM ?

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

> And in addition Nis also told that one cannot be conscious of the Absolute.

>

> And now what to do ? Endlessly specuate about it or wouldn't it be better to

quickly forget the Absolute and learn to deal with what is, which one can be

conscious of, the I AM ?

>

> Werner

>

 

Nothing really needs doing especially forgetting the Absolute. To forget the

Absolute would be self forgetfulness, an amnesia of sorts, rather than self

realization.

 

If apparent doing is to be done, (and in the totality of the Absolute what could

be done?), Nisargadatta's guru gave a step by step method, i.e., getting

familiar with the body, then discarding it as the actual essence of who you are,

then doing the same with the mind, and then with the causal body, and finally

with the I-Am (or consciousness), until what remains by this neti neti method is

your essence, the Absolute.

 

Indeed consciousness cannot contain the Absolute but through the above

long-sentenced technique, the Absolute, You, is what it is unencumbered.

 

Why stop along the way to put all your eggs in the temporal basket of I-Am. Know

it well and then bid it a fond adieu.

 

More importantly, I was a member here way back and I stopped the group's posts

from coming to my email. How do I get that reinstated?

 

Thanks,

Richard

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Nisargadatta , " richarkar " <richarkar wrote:

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>>

> More importantly, I was a member here way back and I stopped the group's posts

from coming to my email. How do I get that reinstated?

>

> Thanks,

> Richard

>

 

i set it up to individual emails.

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Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg wrote:

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>

>

> Nisargadatta , " richarkar " <richarkar@> wrote:

> >

> >>

> > More importantly, I was a member here way back and I stopped the group's

posts from coming to my email. How do I get that reinstated?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Richard

> >

>

> i set it up to individual emails.

>

 

Thanks very much. From that I was able (I hope) to switch it to once a day group

mail.

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