Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of a desire? Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a body as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of consciousness, the entire universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to desire, for I am complete forever. Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people? Maharaj: I am the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of a desire? > > Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a body as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of consciousness, the entire universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to desire, for I am complete forever. > > Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people? > > Maharaj: I am the people. > Nis. above is speaking of the 'uncarved block', undifferentiated awareness, in which one's 'inside' and 'outside' are both inside. Dan and I have discussed this, how awareness gets pulled into a " self and other " configuration, unless/until it dissolves again into its unconfigured, undifferentiated state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Monday, March 22, 2010 11:47 AM Re: today's Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of a > desire? > > Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a body > as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of consciousness, > the entire universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to desire, > for I am complete forever. > > Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people? > > Maharaj: I am the people. > Nis. above is speaking of the 'uncarved block', undifferentiated awareness, in which one's 'inside' and 'outside' are both inside. Dan and I have discussed this, how awareness gets pulled into a " self and other " configuration, unless/until it dissolves again into its unconfigured, undifferentiated state. -tim- I am not sure whether he calls the " I am the world and the world is me " as undifferentiated awareness - does not matter, anyway he does not stop there. The " I am the world " is grounded into Awareness, the Ultimate, Parabrahman, the Unborn. The later are some names I recall having read in his books. One of the things that I never heard before, and made me ponder is the fact that this " I am " - nis says - is a product of food, its matter, while the Ultimate, Awareness, is not. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Monday, March 22, 2010 11:47 AM > Re: today's Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of a > > desire? > > > > Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a body > > as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of consciousness, > > the entire universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to desire, > > for I am complete forever. > > > > Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people? > > > > Maharaj: I am the people. > > > > Nis. above is speaking of the 'uncarved block', undifferentiated awareness, > in > which one's 'inside' and 'outside' are both inside. > > Dan and I have discussed this, how awareness gets pulled into a " self and > other " > configuration, unless/until it dissolves again into its unconfigured, > undifferentiated state. > -tim- > > I am not sure whether he calls the " I am the world and the world is me " as > undifferentiated > awareness - does not matter, anyway he does not stop there. The " I am the > world " is grounded into > Awareness, the Ultimate, Parabrahman, the Unborn. The later are some names I > recall having > read in his books. One of the things that I never heard before, and made me > ponder is the > fact that this " I am " - nis says - is a product of food, its matter, while > the Ultimate, Awareness, > is not. > -geo- > He used the term " I am " in several different ways, as I recall, in various talks, with the English translation of his talks making little distinction between them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Monday, March 22, 2010 12:28 PM Re: today's Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, March 22, 2010 11:47 AM > > Re: today's Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of > > > a > > > desire? > > > > > > Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a > > > body > > > as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of > > > consciousness, > > > the entire universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to > > > desire, > > > for I am complete forever. > > > > > > Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people? > > > > > > Maharaj: I am the people. > > > > > > > Nis. above is speaking of the 'uncarved block', undifferentiated > > awareness, > > in > > which one's 'inside' and 'outside' are both inside. > > > > Dan and I have discussed this, how awareness gets pulled into a " self > > and > > other " > > configuration, unless/until it dissolves again into its unconfigured, > > undifferentiated state. > > -tim- > > > > I am not sure whether he calls the " I am the world and the world is me " > > as > > undifferentiated > > awareness - does not matter, anyway he does not stop there. The " I am > > the > > world " is grounded into > > Awareness, the Ultimate, Parabrahman, the Unborn. The later are some > > names I > > recall having > > read in his books. One of the things that I never heard before, and made > > me > > ponder is the > > fact that this " I am " - nis says - is a product of food, its matter, > > while > > the Ultimate, Awareness, > > is not. > > -geo- > > > > He used the term " I am " in several different ways, as I recall, in various > talks, with the English translation of his talks making little distinction > between them. > P.S. in my opinion, and based on 'my own direct experience' compared to his talks -- the translations of his works are not perfect, but are very good (particularly " I Am That " ). === I don't see any problems with translation - really. His way of expounding, of laying the map open is so simple that no doubts remain once understood. Its almost like counting till three. Perhaps " awareness " or " ultimate " may not be exact translations..... but what expression, which symbol will do it? Anyway he used several different words. The " I am the world " he also called as equivalent to God, to Brahman. And the no-thing beyond - among others as Parabrahman, that means " beyond Brahman " or " beyond God " . -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of a desire? > > > > Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a body as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of consciousness, the entire universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to desire, for I am complete forever. > > > > Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people? > > > > Maharaj: I am the people. > > > > Nis. above is speaking of the 'uncarved block', undifferentiated awareness, in > which one's 'inside' and 'outside' are both inside. > > Dan and I have discussed this, how awareness gets pulled into a " self and other " > configuration, unless/until it dissolves again into its unconfigured, > undifferentiated state. Hi Tim - As you bring this up, I want to add that understanding without differentiation involves understanding differentiation. The self-other configuration is free to arise, and I understand " no self without other, no other without self - no separation of one from the other, no space and time gap between one and the other. " The configuration that is free to arise, is free to dissolve as well. Everything that arises, co-arises, and the arising is the dissolving. The dissolving of one thing is the arising of another thing - and so things aren't separately existing. Nor is " arising " some kind of separate situation - arising and that which does not arise, co-define. And ... The known never arises independently from or of the unknown. One is this unknown, even as one speaks with words that refer to the past, to the known. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Monday, March 22, 2010 4:10 PM Re: today's Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of a > > desire? > > > > Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a body > > as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of > > consciousness, the entire universe of all that is and knows. I have > > nothing to desire, for I am complete forever. > > > > Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people? > > > > Maharaj: I am the people. > > > > Nis. above is speaking of the 'uncarved block', undifferentiated > awareness, in > which one's 'inside' and 'outside' are both inside. > > Dan and I have discussed this, how awareness gets pulled into a " self and > other " > configuration, unless/until it dissolves again into its unconfigured, > undifferentiated state. Hi Tim - As you bring this up, I want to add that understanding without differentiation involves understanding differentiation. The self-other configuration is free to arise, and I understand " no self without other, no other without self - no separation of one from the other, no space and time gap between one and the other. " The configuration that is free to arise, is free to dissolve as well. Everything that arises, co-arises, and the arising is the dissolving. The dissolving of one thing is the arising of another thing - and so things aren't separately existing. Nor is " arising " some kind of separate situation - arising and that which does not arise, co-define. And ... The known never arises independently from or of the unknown. One is this unknown, even as one speaks with words that refer to the past, to the known. - D - So.... as the manifested, brilliant bubble is....so does the dark source of all light. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100320-1, 20/03/2010 Tested on: 22/3/2010 17:57:22 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, March 22, 2010 11:47 AM > > Re: today's Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of a > > > desire? > > > > > > Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a body > > > as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of consciousness, > > > the entire universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to desire, > > > for I am complete forever. > > > > > > Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people? > > > > > > Maharaj: I am the people. > > > > > > > Nis. above is speaking of the 'uncarved block', undifferentiated awareness, > > in > > which one's 'inside' and 'outside' are both inside. > > > > Dan and I have discussed this, how awareness gets pulled into a " self and > > other " > > configuration, unless/until it dissolves again into its unconfigured, > > undifferentiated state. > > -tim- > > > > I am not sure whether he calls the " I am the world and the world is me " as > > undifferentiated > > awareness - does not matter, anyway he does not stop there. The " I am the > > world " is grounded into > > Awareness, the Ultimate, Parabrahman, the Unborn. The later are some names I > > recall having > > read in his books. One of the things that I never heard before, and made me > > ponder is the > > fact that this " I am " - nis says - is a product of food, its matter, while > > the Ultimate, Awareness, > > is not. > > -geo- > > > > He used the term " I am " in several different ways, as I recall, in various talks, with the English translation of his talks making little distinction between them. > at the scientific level we are at in 2010 it's unlikely that we can understand all the aspects of consciousness. it's as if we have an amazing gadget in our brains that is far ahead of us in order for us to understand. enjoy the ride and in the meantime try not to worry too much which vine the grapes came from and how this wine was made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Tim G. > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, March 22, 2010 11:47 AM > > > Re: today's Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of a > > > > desire? > > > > > > > > Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a body > > > > as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of consciousness, > > > > the entire universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to desire, > > > > for I am complete forever. > > > > > > > > Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people? > > > > > > > > Maharaj: I am the people. > > > > > > > > > > Nis. above is speaking of the 'uncarved block', undifferentiated awareness, > > > in > > > which one's 'inside' and 'outside' are both inside. > > > > > > Dan and I have discussed this, how awareness gets pulled into a " self and > > > other " > > > configuration, unless/until it dissolves again into its unconfigured, > > > undifferentiated state. > > > -tim- > > > > > > I am not sure whether he calls the " I am the world and the world is me " as > > > undifferentiated > > > awareness - does not matter, anyway he does not stop there. The " I am the > > > world " is grounded into > > > Awareness, the Ultimate, Parabrahman, the Unborn. The later are some names I > > > recall having > > > read in his books. One of the things that I never heard before, and made me > > > ponder is the > > > fact that this " I am " - nis says - is a product of food, its matter, while > > > the Ultimate, Awareness, > > > is not. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > He used the term " I am " in several different ways, as I recall, in various talks, with the English translation of his talks making little distinction between them. > > > > at the scientific level we are at in 2010 it's unlikely that we can understand all the aspects of consciousness. it's as if we have an amazing gadget in our brains that is far ahead of us in order for us to understand. enjoy the ride and in the meantime try not to worry too much which vine the grapes came from and how this wine was made. > Consciousness is a product of " the food body " , i.e., the body/mind complex. When the body goes, so does consciousness. What was prior to the body's conception and prior to consciousness, is present with the body, exists after the body shuffles off, is the Absolute. This is basic Nisargadatta. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , " richarkar " <richarkar wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Tim G. > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, March 22, 2010 11:47 AM > > > > Re: today's Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Questioner: The faith you have in yourself, is not that too a shape of a > > > > > desire? > > > > > > > > > > Maharaj: When I say: 'I am', I do not mean a separate entity with a body > > > > > as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of consciousness, > > > > > the entire universe of all that is and knows. I have nothing to desire, > > > > > for I am complete forever. > > > > > > > > > > Questioner: Can you touch the inner life of other people? > > > > > > > > > > Maharaj: I am the people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nis. above is speaking of the 'uncarved block', undifferentiated awareness, > > > > in > > > > which one's 'inside' and 'outside' are both inside. > > > > > > > > Dan and I have discussed this, how awareness gets pulled into a " self and > > > > other " > > > > configuration, unless/until it dissolves again into its unconfigured, > > > > undifferentiated state. > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > I am not sure whether he calls the " I am the world and the world is me " as > > > > undifferentiated > > > > awareness - does not matter, anyway he does not stop there. The " I am the > > > > world " is grounded into > > > > Awareness, the Ultimate, Parabrahman, the Unborn. The later are some names I > > > > recall having > > > > read in his books. One of the things that I never heard before, and made me > > > > ponder is the > > > > fact that this " I am " - nis says - is a product of food, its matter, while > > > > the Ultimate, Awareness, > > > > is not. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > He used the term " I am " in several different ways, as I recall, in various talks, with the English translation of his talks making little distinction between them. > > > > > > > at the scientific level we are at in 2010 it's unlikely that we can understand all the aspects of consciousness. it's as if we have an amazing gadget in our brains that is far ahead of us in order for us to understand. enjoy the ride and in the meantime try not to worry too much which vine the grapes came from and how this wine was made. > > > > Consciousness is a product of " the food body " , i.e., the body/mind complex. When the body goes, so does consciousness. What was prior to the body's conception and prior to consciousness, is present with the body, exists after the body shuffles off, is the Absolute. This is basic Nisargadatta. > > Richard > And in addition Nis also told that one cannot be conscious of the Absolute. And now what to do ? Endlessly specuate about it or wouldn't it be better to quickly forget the Absolute and learn to deal with what is, which one can be conscious of, the I AM ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > And in addition Nis also told that one cannot be conscious of the Absolute. > > And now what to do ? Endlessly specuate about it or wouldn't it be better to quickly forget the Absolute and learn to deal with what is, which one can be conscious of, the I AM ? > > Werner > Nothing really needs doing especially forgetting the Absolute. To forget the Absolute would be self forgetfulness, an amnesia of sorts, rather than self realization. If apparent doing is to be done, (and in the totality of the Absolute what could be done?), Nisargadatta's guru gave a step by step method, i.e., getting familiar with the body, then discarding it as the actual essence of who you are, then doing the same with the mind, and then with the causal body, and finally with the I-Am (or consciousness), until what remains by this neti neti method is your essence, the Absolute. Indeed consciousness cannot contain the Absolute but through the above long-sentenced technique, the Absolute, You, is what it is unencumbered. Why stop along the way to put all your eggs in the temporal basket of I-Am. Know it well and then bid it a fond adieu. More importantly, I was a member here way back and I stopped the group's posts from coming to my email. How do I get that reinstated? Thanks, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Nisargadatta , " richarkar " <richarkar wrote: > >> > More importantly, I was a member here way back and I stopped the group's posts from coming to my email. How do I get that reinstated? > > Thanks, > Richard > i set it up to individual emails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " richarkar " <richarkar@> wrote: > > > >> > > More importantly, I was a member here way back and I stopped the group's posts from coming to my email. How do I get that reinstated? > > > > Thanks, > > Richard > > > > i set it up to individual emails. > Thanks very much. From that I was able (I hope) to switch it to once a day group mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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