Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > > > Awareness has no time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know that for sure. How can you possibly know? > > > > > > > > D: It's obvious. I know the body-mind as object. > > > > > > > > And the knowing awareness isn't a property of the object > > > > known as object. It can't be, that would be a contradiction. > > > > > > Fwiw, I don't see what you're saying above as claiming something like " upon total brain death, awareness remains " . > > > > > > I don't see you pointing to that at all -- but rather, that the cognized object known as body-mind (which is actually a mental picture) is not the source of awareness. > > > > > > Is that a fair assessment? > > > > Yes. > > > > What I'm saying is based on present awareness, not speculation about an imagined future, such as " what happens when. " Nondivision of awareness/object of awareness is the present understanding, and doesn't require the death of the body-mind to be clear about. Nor does one need to " prepare " for what will happen in the future, at the death of the body-mind system. > > > > Thanks... > > I mostly wanted to clarify that because there's a tendency to think that if awareness isn't the product of the body/mind, it must be the product of " something else " , or otherwise be some sort of " spiritual essence " or soul -- something like that. > > And I knew that isn't what you're getting at, by saying awareness isn't a product of a body/mind, or inside a body/mind. Yes. Agreed. And it's not like there's some kind of free-standing " awareness " having an existence of its own, to itself, and a quality of its own, that constitutes the essence of " being aware " whatever that is supposed to be. In fact, anything like that would be an " object, " albeit a subtle object. So, yes, it's easy to misunderstand statements about awareness, which never is an object or objectified. At heart, it isn't something knowable as outside oneself, but is the pure unknown nothing one is, beyond categories of existence or non-existence. And at this point of understanding, the label " awareness " isn't needed, nor any ideas about what awareness is or isn't - as any of that adds nothing to understanding. But beyond this point can't be discussed - and one interacts as a human being, and uses language for what can be said, for the fun of it. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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