Jump to content
IndiaDivine.org

where the i thought rises - tim

Rate this topic


Guest guest

Recommended Posts

Guest guest

Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

 

> > > > > > Awareness has no time.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't know that for sure. How can you possibly know?

> > > >

> > > > D: It's obvious. I know the body-mind as object.

> > > >

> > > > And the knowing awareness isn't a property of the object

> > > > known as object. It can't be, that would be a contradiction.

> > >

> > > Fwiw, I don't see what you're saying above as claiming something like

" upon total brain death, awareness remains " .

> > >

> > > I don't see you pointing to that at all -- but rather, that the cognized

object known as body-mind (which is actually a mental picture) is not the source

of awareness.

> > >

> > > Is that a fair assessment?

> >

> > Yes.

> >

> > What I'm saying is based on present awareness, not speculation about an

imagined future, such as " what happens when. " Nondivision of awareness/object

of awareness is the present understanding, and doesn't require the death of the

body-mind to be clear about. Nor does one need to " prepare " for what will

happen in the future, at the death of the body-mind system.

> >

>

> Thanks...

>

> I mostly wanted to clarify that because there's a tendency to think that if

awareness isn't the product of the body/mind, it must be the product of

" something else " , or otherwise be some sort of " spiritual essence " or soul --

something like that.

>

> And I knew that isn't what you're getting at, by saying awareness isn't a

product of a body/mind, or inside a body/mind.

 

Yes.

 

Agreed.

 

And it's not like there's some kind of free-standing " awareness " having an

existence of its own, to itself, and a quality of its own, that constitutes the

essence of " being aware " whatever that is supposed to be.

 

In fact, anything like that would be an " object, " albeit a subtle object.

 

So, yes, it's easy to misunderstand statements about awareness, which never is

an object or objectified.

 

At heart, it isn't something knowable as outside oneself, but is the pure

unknown nothing one is, beyond categories of existence or non-existence. And at

this point of understanding, the label " awareness " isn't needed, nor any ideas

about what awareness is or isn't - as any of that adds nothing to understanding.

 

But beyond this point can't be discussed - and one interacts as a human being,

and uses language for what can be said, for the fun of it.

 

- D -

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...