Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > you are just giving me words that represent ideas that you believe. > > > > > > > > > > these beliefs don't exist separate from you, the believer. > > > > > > > > > > it is your awareness that gives these beliefs whatever life they seem to have. > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > Your? Your awareness? I would not add that " your " in there. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > It's just colloquial speech, Geo. > > > > > > > > What are you, the advaita word police? > > > > > > > > (I would not sign " geo " to my post ...) > > > > > > > > > it doesn't matter that they are beliefs that negate awareness and assume separately existing things, like neurons, that supposedly produce awareness. > > > > > > > > > > because awareness is right there, now, as you notice these beliefs, which are thoughts, which are only there as you are aware of them. > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > The same. If you say " you are aware of them " then there is a split as some you and some awareness. Then it becomes similar to > > > > > the popular way awareness is used: some by-product of the brain. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Nonsense. Are you so taken in by words? > > > > > > > > Constantly in these messages words like " you " and " I " are used. > > > > > > > > Are you scared of them? > > > > > > > > Do they disturb your reality? > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > (nnb) > > > > > > > > > > He said something like " the addiction to words must go " (paraphrased) on the Nondualfuel list. > > > > > > Words can make one feel as though there are " others " (or not), if one's reality is being defined by words. > > > > > > Obviously, there's no verbal formula or suggestion possible about how this could change. > > > > > > > > > Nonsense, > > > > we are social beings and we communicate via words like for example here on this list. > > > > I'm not a social being. > > What's funny is that I was never able to socialize sanely and freely until realizing this. > because we the intellectual path travellers live in our own heads. on the other hand this online stuff is something we can control better, don't have to go out and socialize with real people and face our real fears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > you are just giving me words that represent ideas that you believe. > > > > > > these beliefs don't exist separate from you, the believer. > > > > > > it is your awareness that gives these beliefs whatever life they seem to have. > > > -d- > > > > > > Your? Your awareness? I would not add that " your " in there. > > > -geo- > > > > It's just colloquial speech, Geo. > > > > What are you, the advaita word police? > > > > (I would not sign " geo " to my post ...) > > > > > it doesn't matter that they are beliefs that negate awareness and assume separately existing things, like neurons, that supposedly produce awareness. > > > > > > because awareness is right there, now, as you notice these beliefs, which are thoughts, which are only there as you are aware of them. > > > -d- > > > > > > The same. If you say " you are aware of them " then there is a split as some you and some awareness. Then it becomes similar to > > > the popular way awareness is used: some by-product of the brain. > > > -geo- > > > > Nonsense. Are you so taken in by words? > > > > Constantly in these messages words like " you " and " I " are used. > > > > Are you scared of them? > > > > Do they disturb your reality? > > > > > > - D - > > > > (nnb) > > > > He said something like " the addiction to words must go " (paraphrased) on the Nondualfuel list. > > Words can make one feel as though there are " others " (or not), if one's reality is being defined by words. > > Obviously, there's no verbal formula or suggestion possible about how this could change. Nah - agreed. Silence speaks what words can't say. One needs to listen. Preoccupation with self, words, thoughts, memories - interferes with listening. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > you are just giving me words that represent ideas that you believe. > > > > > > > > these beliefs don't exist separate from you, the believer. > > > > > > > > it is your awareness that gives these beliefs whatever life they seem to have. > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > Your? Your awareness? I would not add that " your " in there. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > It's just colloquial speech, Geo. > > > > > > What are you, the advaita word police? > > > > > > (I would not sign " geo " to my post ...) > > > > > > > it doesn't matter that they are beliefs that negate awareness and assume separately existing things, like neurons, that supposedly produce awareness. > > > > > > > > because awareness is right there, now, as you notice these beliefs, which are thoughts, which are only there as you are aware of them. > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > The same. If you say " you are aware of them " then there is a split as some you and some awareness. Then it becomes similar to > > > > the popular way awareness is used: some by-product of the brain. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Nonsense. Are you so taken in by words? > > > > > > Constantly in these messages words like " you " and " I " are used. > > > > > > Are you scared of them? > > > > > > Do they disturb your reality? > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > (nnb) > > > > > > > He said something like " the addiction to words must go " (paraphrased) on the Nondualfuel list. > > > > Words can make one feel as though there are " others " (or not), if one's reality is being defined by words. > > > > Obviously, there's no verbal formula or suggestion possible about how this could change. > > Nah - agreed. > > Silence speaks what words can't say. > Yes, just as: Feet walk what ears can't walk, nose smells what arms can't smell, Comparing silence with words is like comparin potatoes with shell fish. But silence is silence and words are words. They both have their own place but they cannot get compared. Werner > One needs to listen. Preoccupation with self, words, thoughts, memories - interferes with listening. > > - D - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:31 PM Re: where the " i thought " rises -- tim Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > you are just giving me words that represent ideas that you believe. > > > > > > these beliefs don't exist separate from you, the believer. > > > > > > it is your awareness that gives these beliefs whatever life they seem > > > to have. > > > -d- > > > > > > Your? Your awareness? I would not add that " your " in there. > > > -geo- > > > > It's just colloquial speech, Geo. > > > > What are you, the advaita word police? > > > > (I would not sign " geo " to my post ...) > > > > > it doesn't matter that they are beliefs that negate awareness and > > > assume separately existing things, like neurons, that supposedly > > > produce awareness. > > > > > > because awareness is right there, now, as you notice these beliefs, > > > which are thoughts, which are only there as you are aware of them. > > > -d- > > > > > > The same. If you say " you are aware of them " then there is a split as > > > some you and some awareness. Then it becomes similar to > > > the popular way awareness is used: some by-product of the brain. > > > -geo- > > > > Nonsense. Are you so taken in by words? > > > > Constantly in these messages words like " you " and " I " are used. > > > > Are you scared of them? > > > > Do they disturb your reality? > > > > > > - D - > > > > (nnb) > > > > He said something like " the addiction to words must go " (paraphrased) on > the Nondualfuel list. > > Words can make one feel as though there are " others " (or not), if one's > reality is being defined by words. > > Obviously, there's no verbal formula or suggestion possible about how this > could change. Nah - agreed. Silence speaks what words can't say. One needs to listen. Preoccupation with self, words, thoughts, memories - interferes with listening. - D - Yea -Agreed. Why are you two so preoccupied with geo's words? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > you are just giving me words that represent ideas that you believe. > > > > > > > > > > these beliefs don't exist separate from you, the believer. > > > > > > > > > > it is your awareness that gives these beliefs whatever life they seem to have. > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > Your? Your awareness? I would not add that " your " in there. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > It's just colloquial speech, Geo. > > > > > > > > What are you, the advaita word police? > > > > > > > > (I would not sign " geo " to my post ...) > > > > > > > > > it doesn't matter that they are beliefs that negate awareness and assume separately existing things, like neurons, that supposedly produce awareness. > > > > > > > > > > because awareness is right there, now, as you notice these beliefs, which are thoughts, which are only there as you are aware of them. > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > The same. If you say " you are aware of them " then there is a split as some you and some awareness. Then it becomes similar to > > > > > the popular way awareness is used: some by-product of the brain. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Nonsense. Are you so taken in by words? > > > > > > > > Constantly in these messages words like " you " and " I " are used. > > > > > > > > Are you scared of them? > > > > > > > > Do they disturb your reality? > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > (nnb) > > > > > > > > > > He said something like " the addiction to words must go " (paraphrased) on the Nondualfuel list. > > > > > > Words can make one feel as though there are " others " (or not), if one's reality is being defined by words. > > > > > > Obviously, there's no verbal formula or suggestion possible about how this could change. > > > > Nah - agreed. > > > > Silence speaks what words can't say. > > > > > Yes, just as: > > Feet walk what ears can't walk, > nose smells what arms can't smell, > > Comparing silence with words is like comparin potatoes with shell fish. > hmmm.. i'm sure we'll have some desert afterwards... sprinkle it with the ever present sweet " awareness " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:31 PM > Re: where the " i thought " rises -- tim > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > you are just giving me words that represent ideas that you believe. > > > > > > > > these beliefs don't exist separate from you, the believer. > > > > > > > > it is your awareness that gives these beliefs whatever life they seem > > > > to have. > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > Your? Your awareness? I would not add that " your " in there. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > It's just colloquial speech, Geo. > > > > > > What are you, the advaita word police? > > > > > > (I would not sign " geo " to my post ...) > > > > > > > it doesn't matter that they are beliefs that negate awareness and > > > > assume separately existing things, like neurons, that supposedly > > > > produce awareness. > > > > > > > > because awareness is right there, now, as you notice these beliefs, > > > > which are thoughts, which are only there as you are aware of them. > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > The same. If you say " you are aware of them " then there is a split as > > > > some you and some awareness. Then it becomes similar to > > > > the popular way awareness is used: some by-product of the brain. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Nonsense. Are you so taken in by words? > > > > > > Constantly in these messages words like " you " and " I " are used. > > > > > > Are you scared of them? > > > > > > Do they disturb your reality? > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > (nnb) > > > > > > > He said something like " the addiction to words must go " (paraphrased) on > > the Nondualfuel list. > > > > Words can make one feel as though there are " others " (or not), if one's > > reality is being defined by words. > > > > Obviously, there's no verbal formula or suggestion possible about how this > > could change. > > Nah - agreed. > > Silence speaks what words can't say. > > One needs to listen. Preoccupation with self, words, thoughts, memories - > interferes with listening. > > - D - > > Yea -Agreed. > Why are you two so preoccupied with geo's words? > -geo- Because hell just froze over. - deo - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > you are just giving me words that represent ideas that you believe. > > > > > > > > these beliefs don't exist separate from you, the believer. > > > > > > > > it is your awareness that gives these beliefs whatever life they seem to have. > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > Your? Your awareness? I would not add that " your " in there. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > It's just colloquial speech, Geo. > > > > > > What are you, the advaita word police? > > > > > > (I would not sign " geo " to my post ...) > > > > > > > it doesn't matter that they are beliefs that negate awareness and assume separately existing things, like neurons, that supposedly produce awareness. > > > > > > > > because awareness is right there, now, as you notice these beliefs, which are thoughts, which are only there as you are aware of them. > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > The same. If you say " you are aware of them " then there is a split as some you and some awareness. Then it becomes similar to > > > > the popular way awareness is used: some by-product of the brain. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Nonsense. Are you so taken in by words? > > > > > > Constantly in these messages words like " you " and " I " are used. > > > > > > Are you scared of them? > > > > > > Do they disturb your reality? > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > (nnb) > > > > > > > He said something like " the addiction to words must go " (paraphrased) on the Nondualfuel list. > > > > Words can make one feel as though there are " others " (or not), if one's reality is being defined by words. > > > > Obviously, there's no verbal formula or suggestion possible about how this could change. > > Nah - agreed. > > Silence speaks what words can't say. > > One needs to listen. Preoccupation with self, words, thoughts, memories - interferes with listening. > > - D - you're saying that you never listen then right? :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:31 PM Re: where the " i thought " rises -- tim Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:31 PM > Re: where the " i thought " rises -- tim > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > you are just giving me words that represent ideas that you believe. > > > > > > > > these beliefs don't exist separate from you, the believer. > > > > > > > > it is your awareness that gives these beliefs whatever life they > > > > seem > > > > to have. > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > Your? Your awareness? I would not add that " your " in there. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > It's just colloquial speech, Geo. > > > > > > What are you, the advaita word police? > > > > > > (I would not sign " geo " to my post ...) > > > > > > > it doesn't matter that they are beliefs that negate awareness and > > > > assume separately existing things, like neurons, that supposedly > > > > produce awareness. > > > > > > > > because awareness is right there, now, as you notice these beliefs, > > > > which are thoughts, which are only there as you are aware of them. > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > The same. If you say " you are aware of them " then there is a split > > > > as > > > > some you and some awareness. Then it becomes similar to > > > > the popular way awareness is used: some by-product of the brain. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Nonsense. Are you so taken in by words? > > > > > > Constantly in these messages words like " you " and " I " are used. > > > > > > Are you scared of them? > > > > > > Do they disturb your reality? > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > (nnb) > > > > > > > He said something like " the addiction to words must go " (paraphrased) on > > the Nondualfuel list. > > > > Words can make one feel as though there are " others " (or not), if one's > > reality is being defined by words. > > > > Obviously, there's no verbal formula or suggestion possible about how > > this > > could change. > > Nah - agreed. > > Silence speaks what words can't say. > > One needs to listen. Preoccupation with self, words, thoughts, memories - > interferes with listening. > > - D - > > Yea -Agreed. > Why are you two so preoccupied with geo's words? > -geo- Because hell just froze over. - deo - Dont blame hell. Its just you. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:31 PM > Re: where the " i thought " rises -- tim > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > you are just giving me words that represent ideas that you believe. > > > > > > > > these beliefs don't exist separate from you, the believer. > > > > > > > > it is your awareness that gives these beliefs whatever life they seem > > > > to have. > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > Your? Your awareness? I would not add that " your " in there. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > It's just colloquial speech, Geo. > > > > > > What are you, the advaita word police? > > > > > > (I would not sign " geo " to my post ...) > > > > > > > it doesn't matter that they are beliefs that negate awareness and > > > > assume separately existing things, like neurons, that supposedly > > > > produce awareness. > > > > > > > > because awareness is right there, now, as you notice these beliefs, > > > > which are thoughts, which are only there as you are aware of them. > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > The same. If you say " you are aware of them " then there is a split as > > > > some you and some awareness. Then it becomes similar to > > > > the popular way awareness is used: some by-product of the brain. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Nonsense. Are you so taken in by words? > > > > > > Constantly in these messages words like " you " and " I " are used. > > > > > > Are you scared of them? > > > > > > Do they disturb your reality? > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > (nnb) > > > > > > > He said something like " the addiction to words must go " (paraphrased) on > > the Nondualfuel list. > > > > Words can make one feel as though there are " others " (or not), if one's > > reality is being defined by words. > > > > Obviously, there's no verbal formula or suggestion possible about how this > > could change. > > Nah - agreed. > > Silence speaks what words can't say. > > One needs to listen. Preoccupation with self, words, thoughts, memories - > interferes with listening. > > - D - > > Yea -Agreed. > Why are you two so preoccupied with geo's words? > -geo- maybe they want into your new.. " out of the closet..into the open air " club geoparado. boys will be boys and all that. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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