Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 omkaradatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > I'm not interested in how I'm seen by others -- for the very simple reason that > I never have been. > > People see only their own assumptions. > > This became abundantly clear through a series of concrete physical events, > happening mainly between 2004 and 2008 (in particular, 2007). > > As things clarified, as it became clear that no hope or help was available, the > need for hope/help correspondingly vanished. > > What is imagined, what was never actually available, cannot be needed. > > It all seemed to culminate in early 2008, with a glimpse of myself in what was > previously thought to be external (my back porch), and a return to the > " spiritual lists " to spout about what can't be spouted about ;-). Yeah, good point -- it can't be given " to someone else. " One reason is that there is no someone else for this -- and a reason related to that reason is that whatever is said about it, is interpreted as " coming from someone else. " So, all you get on the so-called spiritual lists are people's reactions (they think) to " someone else " ... You get all these " you-focused " responses. Thus, the spouting always has a built-in limitation. You really can't ever " convince " someone that there is no " out there " and no " someone else " ... It's not a matter of belief or convincing, it's not a matter of knowing words to say about it. The collapse of the system that orients to " you " to " what is outside " is the collapse of the system that has a sense of its existence, and hence an existence " in relation " to others and to the environment. It's an " implosion " so to speak. Moving without motion. Always moving into depth of silent being. The eye of the hurricane is a black hole, and its implosion is " now. " At the point this is understood, it is because it " can't be helped. " Just as you say, the illusion of help has to collapse, along with " everything I exist in relation to, " along with " me and my sense of having an existence " ... But if you speak of this, then the one spoken to takes it as " someone else telling me about his experiences " ... Because that is the only way it can be taken, until " choiceless implosion is " .... What is the predisposition toward implosion? Why does it happen when it does? It's impossible to answer questions like this. " It is like the wind that bloweth where it listeth " " I come as a thief in the night. " Who can say? There is no " why " ... " why " depends on " outside factors. " There are no predisposing factors, predisposing factors depend on " something that came before this " ... Smiles, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > omkaradatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > I'm not interested in how I'm seen by others -- for the very simple reason > that > > I never have been. > > > > People see only their own assumptions. > > > > This became abundantly clear through a series of concrete physical events, > > happening mainly between 2004 and 2008 (in particular, 2007). > > > > As things clarified, as it became clear that no hope or help was available, > the > > need for hope/help correspondingly vanished. > > > > What is imagined, what was never actually available, cannot be needed. > > > > It all seemed to culminate in early 2008, with a glimpse of myself in what was > > previously thought to be external (my back porch), and a return to the > > " spiritual lists " to spout about what can't be spouted about ;-). > > Yeah, good point -- it can't be given " to someone else. " > > One reason is that there is no someone else for this -- and a reason related to > that reason is that whatever is said about it, is interpreted as " coming from > someone else. " > > So, all you get on the so-called spiritual lists are people's reactions (they > think) to " someone else " ... > > You get all these " you-focused " responses. > > Thus, the spouting always has a built-in limitation. > > You really can't ever " convince " someone that there is no " out there " and no > " someone else " ... > > It's not a matter of belief or convincing, it's not a matter of knowing words to > say about it. > > The collapse of the system that orients to " you " to " what is outside " is the > collapse of the system that has a sense of its existence, and hence an existence > " in relation " to others and to the environment. > > It's an " implosion " so to speak. > > Moving without motion. > > Always moving into depth of silent being. > > The eye of the hurricane is a black hole, and its implosion is " now. " > > At the point this is understood, it is because it " can't be helped. " > > Just as you say, the illusion of help has to collapse, along with " everything I > exist in relation to, " along with " me and my sense of having an existence " ... > > But if you speak of this, then the one spoken to takes it as " someone else > telling me about his experiences " ... > > Because that is the only way it can be taken, until " choiceless implosion is " > ... > > What is the predisposition toward implosion? > > Why does it happen when it does? > > It's impossible to answer questions like this. > > " It is like the wind that bloweth where it listeth " > > " I come as a thief in the night. " > > Who can say? > > There is no " why " ... " why " depends on " outside factors. " > > There are no predisposing factors, predisposing factors depend on " something > that came before this " ... > > Smiles, > > Dan oooh profound as a puff pastry pie! :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > oooh profound as a puff pastry pie! > > :-) > > .b b.b. > It's mister .b b.b... The unprofound, the cheap 'n'easy, the shallow... Living on the surface? Made out of plastic? ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > omkaradatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > I'm not interested in how I'm seen by others -- for the very simple reason > that > > I never have been. > > > > People see only their own assumptions. > > > > This became abundantly clear through a series of concrete physical events, > > happening mainly between 2004 and 2008 (in particular, 2007). > > > > As things clarified, as it became clear that no hope or help was available, > the > > need for hope/help correspondingly vanished. > > > > What is imagined, what was never actually available, cannot be needed. > > > > It all seemed to culminate in early 2008, with a glimpse of myself in what was > > previously thought to be external (my back porch), and a return to the > > " spiritual lists " to spout about what can't be spouted about ;-). > > Yeah, good point -- it can't be given " to someone else. " > > One reason is that there is no someone else for this -- and a reason related to > that reason is that whatever is said about it, is interpreted as " coming from > someone else. " > > So, all you get on the so-called spiritual lists are people's reactions (they > think) to " someone else " ... > > You get all these " you-focused " responses. > > Thus, the spouting always has a built-in limitation. > > You really can't ever " convince " someone that there is no " out there " and no > " someone else " ... > > It's not a matter of belief or convincing, it's not a matter of knowing words to > say about it. > > The collapse of the system that orients to " you " to " what is outside " is the > collapse of the system that has a sense of its existence, and hence an existence > " in relation " to others and to the environment. > > It's an " implosion " so to speak. > > Moving without motion. > > Always moving into depth of silent being. > > The eye of the hurricane is a black hole, and its implosion is " now. " > > At the point this is understood, it is because it " can't be helped. " > > Just as you say, the illusion of help has to collapse, along with " everything I > exist in relation to, " along with " me and my sense of having an existence " ... > > But if you speak of this, then the one spoken to takes it as " someone else > telling me about his experiences " ... > > Because that is the only way it can be taken, until " choiceless implosion is " > ... > > What is the predisposition toward implosion? > > Why does it happen when it does? > > It's impossible to answer questions like this. > > " It is like the wind that bloweth where it listeth " > > " I come as a thief in the night. " > > Who can say? > > There is no " why " ... " why " depends on " outside factors. " > > There are no predisposing factors, predisposing factors depend on " something > that came before this " ... > > Smiles, > > Dan P: I knew I could count on you to send canned sermons from Cannery Road. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > P: I knew I could count on you to send > canned sermons from Cannery Road. > > > I knew i could count on you to read them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > oooh profound as a puff pastry pie! > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > > It's mister .b b.b... > > The unprofound, the cheap 'n'easy, the shallow... > > Living on the surface? > > Made out of plastic? ;-). oh so in your nondual world there is: that which is righteous and that which is not. surfaces and depths... the plastic and th real. you're just a dumbass as Niz would say. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > P: I knew I could count on you to send > > canned sermons from Cannery Road. > > > > > > > I knew i could count on you to read them. so there IS a " you " that here is Pete.. and an " i " that is timmy who counts on Pete's you... to read what he puts up on the list. golly.. dumb man speak with forked tongue. first he say there is only ONE. then he say (by saying he counts on another) there are at least two. and even this: he quotes a third! are you tipping those brews timmy? LOL. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oooh profound as a puff pastry pie! > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > It's mister .b b.b... > > > > > > The unprofound, the cheap 'n'easy, the shallow... > > > > > > Living on the surface? > > > > > > Made out of plastic? ;-). > > > > > > oh so in your nondual world there is: > > " My world " is not accessible to you; nor yours to me. well golly how is it you respond? > Stop dreaming -- there's no " cross-pollination " happening at all. bullshit. > It isn't possible. anything is possible sweetheart. your world is very restrictive. > One is alone -- one is one's own universe, so to speak. hahahahahaha! then who are you talkin' to? > The moment this is clear, all the pretense just stops. you're so full of pretense it reeks. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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