Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Hi All, I read Nisargadatta' s books. I found our life depends on destiny. So where the concept of free-will fits in? Please share your views. Thanks Raj neither destiny only nor free will .... the dream during sleep belong to " you " only.... but " you " can't realy choose the content .... same with imaginary life of an imaginary " you " .... " you " are the dream .... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:16 PM Re: Destiny or Free will Nisargadatta , "Sukhi S" <sukhirs wrote:>> Hi All,> I read Nisargadatta's books. I found our life depends on destiny. So where the concept of free-will fits in? > Please share your views.> Thanks> RajP: May I ask you what is destiny, and how you found your life depends on it?As Werner quoted, you can't choose what you want,or who your parents were. So, what is free will?That there is no free will doesn't mean that yourwhole life is written in stone. The leafs ona branch have no free will, they dance as thewind blows, but the wind is not destiny, it hasno purpose and no goal, it blows according tocauses that endlessly recede into an unknown Whole. Gloria: Does it make any...sense, I guess, to say that freedom may be seen as becoming free of one's personal will, which is based on an illusory idea of a separate self? In a half-understood way, it seems to me to be ultimate freedom. But it is frustratingly out of focus for me, much of the time. I am so leery of just another interpretation--another wave of the tail to get me circling again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Sukhi S " <sukhirs wrote: > > Hi All, > I read Nisargadatta's books. I found our life depends on destiny. So where the concept of free-will fits in? > Please share your views. > Thanks > Raj Free will is a feeling, and so is destiny. Such feelings arises non-volitionally, choicelessly, along with everything else. Free will goes along with the sense that one faces choices, and those choices make a difference. And choices, along with the responses to them, arise choicelessly. The feeling of destiny is that things were pre-determined to be a certain way that precludes choice. And that also is a nonvolitionally arising concept. Both free-will and destiny depend on perceiving oneself as having an existence of one's own that occurs over a period of time. And if one sees for even a moment without the " lens of time, " neither free will nor destiny will be a matter of concern. The universe arises non-volitionally " now " - not because of what came before, nor because of someone's will, nor because of a master plan. One understands this, because one's arising now, is the arising of the universe one is experiencing, which is the same arising. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Sukhi S " <sukhirs@> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > I read Nisargadatta's books. I found our life depends on destiny. So where the concept of free-will fits in? > > Please share your views. > > Thanks > > Raj > > Free will is a feeling, and so is destiny. > > Such feelings arises non-volitionally, choicelessly, along with everything else. > > Free will goes along with the sense that one faces choices, and those choices make a difference. > > And choices, along with the responses to them, arise choicelessly. > > The feeling of destiny is that things were pre-determined to be a certain way that precludes choice. > > And that also is a nonvolitionally arising concept. > > Both free-will and destiny depend on perceiving oneself as having an existence of one's own that occurs over a period of time. > > And if one sees for even a moment without the " lens of time, " neither free will nor destiny will be a matter of concern. > > The universe arises non-volitionally " now " - not because of what came before, nor because of someone's will, nor because of a master plan. > > One understands this, because one's arising now, is the arising of the universe one is experiencing, which is the same arising. > > - D - OMG dabbo! this is sooooooooooooooo DIVINE dearie! now see you got just what you're really looking for.. by posting this sickeningly sweet crap... that everyone has heard thousands of times. frankly i would think you'd have outgrown this pompous puffery... and need for approval. but nooooooooooooooooo. jesus christ some day you're going to vomit.. when you see how how ludicrous you come off. get a job. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Sukhi S " <sukhirs wrote: > > Hi All, > I read Nisargadatta's books. I found our life depends on destiny. So where the concept of free-will fits in? > Please share your views. > Thanks > Raj > I asked the priest that in so many words as an 8 yr old: if God knows everything how can we have free will? Well the answer was always hidden IN Self, AS Self and BY Self. Destiny describes the path that was earmarked since the beginning of time. Free will is its route THROUGH Self. Neither Destiny or Free Will can or will ever take us anywhere that is Not-Self. ~A ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Sukhi S " <sukhirs@> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > I read Nisargadatta's books. I found our life depends on destiny. So where the concept of free-will fits in? > > Please share your views. > > Thanks > > Raj > > > > > I asked the priest that in so many words as an 8 yr old: if God knows everything how can we have free will? > > Well the answer was always hidden IN Self, AS Self and BY Self. > > Destiny describes the path that was earmarked since the beginning of time. Free will is its route THROUGH Self. > > Neither Destiny or Free Will can or will ever take us anywhere that is Not-Self. > > ~A > ~A > Wow Anna, that sounds grandios ! But I haven't understood a word. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Sukhi S " <sukhirs@> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > I read Nisargadatta's books. I found our life depends on destiny. So where the concept of free-will fits in? > > Please share your views. > > Thanks > > Raj > > > > > I asked the priest that in so many words as an 8 yr old: if God knows everything how can we have free will? > > Well the answer was always hidden IN Self, AS Self and BY Self. > > Destiny describes the path that was earmarked since the beginning of time. Free will is its route THROUGH Self. > > Neither Destiny or Free Will can or will ever take us anywhere that is Not-Self. > > ~A A school teacher asked our class the same question you asked the priest. My reply was, in this case, God is acting as a seer of the future (an Edgar Cayce of sorts); He is not making the choices; we are. When there is the infinite, timeless, spaceless one, where is there room for destiny? Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 - richarkar Nisargadatta Sunday, March 28, 2010 3:23 PM Re: Destiny or Free will Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Sukhi S " <sukhirs@> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > I read Nisargadatta's books. I found our life depends on destiny. So > > where the concept of free-will fits in? > > Please share your views. > > Thanks > > Raj > > > > > I asked the priest that in so many words as an 8 yr old: if God knows > everything how can we have free will? > > Well the answer was always hidden IN Self, AS Self and BY Self. > > Destiny describes the path that was earmarked since the beginning of time. > Free will is its route THROUGH Self. > > Neither Destiny or Free Will can or will ever take us anywhere that is > Not-Self. > > ~A A school teacher asked our class the same question you asked the priest. My reply was, in this case, God is acting as a seer of the future (an Edgar Cayce of sorts); He is not making the choices; we are. When there is the infinite, timeless, spaceless one, where is there room for destiny? Richard Hi Richard. You may not want to answer - its OK. How old are you? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 - geo Nisargadatta Sunday, March 28, 2010 3:30 PM Re: Re: Destiny or Free will - richarkar Nisargadatta Sunday, March 28, 2010 3:23 PM Re: Destiny or Free will Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Sukhi S " <sukhirs@> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > I read Nisargadatta's books. I found our life depends on destiny. So > > where the concept of free-will fits in? > > Please share your views. > > Thanks > > Raj > > > > > I asked the priest that in so many words as an 8 yr old: if God knows > everything how can we have free will? > > Well the answer was always hidden IN Self, AS Self and BY Self. > > Destiny describes the path that was earmarked since the beginning of time. > Free will is its route THROUGH Self. > > Neither Destiny or Free Will can or will ever take us anywhere that is > Not-Self. > > ~A A school teacher asked our class the same question you asked the priest. My reply was, in this case, God is acting as a seer of the future (an Edgar Cayce of sorts); He is not making the choices; we are. When there is the infinite, timeless, spaceless one, where is there room for destiny? Richard Hi Richard. You may not want to answer - its OK. How old are you? PS - I understood that you where in shool and the teacher asked.....But no, so just forget the age thing :>)) -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Sunday, March 28, 2010 3:30 PM > Re: Re: Destiny or Free will > > > > > - > richarkar > Nisargadatta > Sunday, March 28, 2010 3:23 PM > Re: Destiny or Free will > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Sukhi S " <sukhirs@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > I read Nisargadatta's books. I found our life depends on destiny. So > > > where the concept of free-will fits in? > > > Please share your views. > > > Thanks > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > I asked the priest that in so many words as an 8 yr old: if God knows > > everything how can we have free will? > > > > Well the answer was always hidden IN Self, AS Self and BY Self. > > > > Destiny describes the path that was earmarked since the beginning of time. > > Free will is its route THROUGH Self. > > > > Neither Destiny or Free Will can or will ever take us anywhere that is > > Not-Self. > > > > ~A > > A school teacher asked our class the same question you asked the priest. My > reply was, in this case, God is acting as a seer of the future (an Edgar > Cayce of sorts); He is not making the choices; we are. > > When there is the infinite, timeless, spaceless one, where is there room for > destiny? > > Richard > > Hi Richard. You may not want to answer - its OK. How old are you? > > PS - I understood that you where in shool and the teacher asked.....But no, > so just forget the age thing > :>)) > -geo- > Hi Geo, A temporary miscommunication. I was talking of the (pardon the expression) past. " My name, it means nothing; my age it means less. " But I'll bet I have adult children who are your age. R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 - richarkar Nisargadatta Monday, March 29, 2010 10:57 AM Re: Destiny or Free will Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Sunday, March 28, 2010 3:30 PM > Re: Re: Destiny or Free will > > > > > - > richarkar > Nisargadatta > Sunday, March 28, 2010 3:23 PM > Re: Destiny or Free will > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Sukhi S " <sukhirs@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > I read Nisargadatta's books. I found our life depends on destiny. So > > > where the concept of free-will fits in? > > > Please share your views. > > > Thanks > > > Raj > > > > > > > > > I asked the priest that in so many words as an 8 yr old: if God knows > > everything how can we have free will? > > > > Well the answer was always hidden IN Self, AS Self and BY Self. > > > > Destiny describes the path that was earmarked since the beginning of > > time. > > Free will is its route THROUGH Self. > > > > Neither Destiny or Free Will can or will ever take us anywhere that is > > Not-Self. > > > > ~A > > A school teacher asked our class the same question you asked the priest. > My > reply was, in this case, God is acting as a seer of the future (an Edgar > Cayce of sorts); He is not making the choices; we are. > > When there is the infinite, timeless, spaceless one, where is there room > for > destiny? > > Richard > > Hi Richard. You may not want to answer - its OK. How old are you? > > PS - I understood that you where in shool and the teacher asked.....But > no, > so just forget the age thing > :>)) > -geo- > Hi Geo, A temporary miscommunication. I was talking of the (pardon the expression) past. " My name, it means nothing; my age it means less. " But I'll bet I have adult children who are your age. R. If so....by now..... you would probably be dead. LOL -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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