Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 Namaste Shri Neelakantan, Thank you for the reference to Robert Lanza's article " A New Theory of the Universe -- Biocentrism builds on quantum physics by putting life into the equation " http://www.theamericanscholar.org/sp07/newtheory-lanza.html I found the article interesting, and it inspired the piece of verse appended below. Ananda Language and the world ---------------------- All perceptions, thoughts and feelings of a world are nothing but the speaking of that consciousness whose knowing shines by its own light. Whatever anyone perceives or thinks or feels is lit by that same consciousness, which carries on throughout the course of passing time in everyone's experience. All space of world is known through time that passes by in changing mind. As mind is known, its changing states are known by just that consciousness whose knowing presence is found shared in common by all states of mind. As different minds communicate, they each reflect to what they share beneath their changing differences. That which they share is consciousness. It is just that which stays the same through differences of changing mind. That is our common, knowing ground: the common base where we reflect whenever we communicate. Wherever we find life expressed, there we reflect to consciousness that's found expressed in common by our living personalities and any life which they perceive, or think about or somehow feel. Thus, consciousness is nothing but that inner principle of life to which each one of us returns, by turning mind reflectively back into its subjective ground. Wherever world is seen made up of objects that have been perceived or thought or felt, that world is just a pictured space, imperfectly constructed by conceiving mind. Each object is a piece of world, resulting from a part perception which is not quite fully true. To make what's shown more accurate, our minds attempt to build up pictures showing various bits and pieces put together as a whole. As new perceptions are perceived, they show new bits of world that must be fitted in, thus building up more complex pictures of the world. But this objective building up, of pictured worlds, can have no end. Each object shown by sense and mind is only an apparent part of what is more completely true. An untrue partiality is thus built into every object that's perceived or thought or felt. All pictures made up of such objects have untruth built into them. This untruth built into our pictures of the world can't be removed by building up complexity. To find what's true, we have to stop imposing mind-constructed pictures on what nature says to us. Instead of looking outwardly at pictured objects and events, there has to be a listening that asks reflectively what's meant in all of nature's happenings. In that reflective listening, all nature is alive to that which witnesses its happenings. The witness is then found detached from all that happens in the world and in our personalities. And nature is then found alive: expressing purpose, meaning, value through a living energy which is inspired to arise from underlying consciousness. All the entire world is thus the speaking of that consciousness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Namaste Neelakantan-ji. Read the article with avid interest. Quite path-breaking, yet it falls much short of fully embracing our Aham BrahmAsmi. Look at these passages: ______________ " We cannot know with complete accuracy a quantum particle's motion and its position at the same time — we have to choose one or the other. Thus the consciousness of the observer is decisive in determining what a particle does at any given moment. " " To measure the position precisely at any given instant is to lock in on one static frame, to put the movie on pause, so to speak. Conversely, as soon as you observe momentum you can't isolate a frame, because momentum is the summation of many frames. You can't know one and the other with complete accuracy. There is uncertainty as you hone in, whether on motion or position. " " All of experience is an organized whirl of information in your brain. " ___________________ With the first two, we thought we were on the advaitic path. But the last oneliner is a complete letdown. All our meditation and concentration is an attempt to put the 'movie on pause'. But, we don't end up with a 'static frame'. We realize that the 'pause' is the entire movie! And that realization takes root and continues even when the pause ends and the momentum of the movie resumes, whereafter the movie and the movie viewer aren't any more separate entities. There in fact is neither then. Only fullness. The so-called new theory of the universe ends up as a biocentric extension of solipsism where the 'observer' still remains a burdensome preoccupation. In advaita, the 'observer' gets sublated. Science, in my opinion, will always shudder to take that last quantum leap of sublation, advances in biology notwithstanding. That is why the author churns up statements like: __________ " There are surely other information systems that correspond to other physical realities, universes based on logic completely different from ours and not based on space and time. The universe of space and time belong uniquely to us genome-based animals. " __________ Having waxed poetically eloquent over the wayside glow-worm, he is now confronted with the possibility of plurality of universes and playing with the good old conjecture of separate realities! Having hunted for a new theory for the information system to which he belongs, he is now conjuring up universes of the non-genome based! All that doesn't take him anywhere near to solving the riddle of the universe because the term universe for an advaitin would always mean all that is there (idam sarvam - where all the world systems, genome- based or non-genome based, are by default included). I have also read the single page summary of the theory referred to by Prof. Krishnamurthyji. Any explanations that look for support in terms like infinite, forever, without boundary, big bang, big crunch etc. are doomed to fail. They can at best only complicate the situation. That is the tragedy of science and language. Both can only suggest a seeming nearness to Truth. Thank you, Sirs, for the suggested readings. PraNAms. Madathil Nair __________________ advaitin , " Neelakantan " <pneelaka wrote: > > Namaste All! > > I came across this article by Robert Lanza, a professor at Wake > Forest University School of Medicine and thought it would interest > this group. >.....> > You can read the whole article at: > http://www.theamericanscholar.org/sp07/newtheory-lanza.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 advaitin , " Madathil Rajendran Nair " <madathilnair wrote: > > Namaste Neelakantan-ji. > > Read the article with avid interest. Quite path-breaking, yet it > falls much short of fully embracing our Aham BrahmAsmi. > Namaste Nair-ji, Yes, of course, it does fall short. But the acknowledgement that consciousness did not arise from matter seems a significant departure from the general scientific position. > Science, in my opinion, will always shudder to take that last quantum > leap of sublation, advances in biology notwithstanding. > I think even many philosophers shudder from this final leap :-) Harih Om. Neelakantan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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