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Dear Advaitins,

 

I'm at China and I want to know how to recite Sankalpam here, at

China: " Mamopatha samastha duritha skhayastwara sriparameswara

prrethyartham subhe shobanae ... " after this how we should describe

about the place as we recite this " swethawaraha kalpae jumbaudheweebe

bharatha varshae paratha kande maerohoe... "

 

I will be highly thankful if someone could help me.

 

Hari Om.

Dr. Hari Krishna

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advaitin , " Rakesh " <raknath wrote:

>

> -Hey everyone am actually curious if u can relate all the dweepas to

> actual continents as we know them, so I guess the answer can sort al

> problems

>

 

Hi Rakesh,

 

This question is of no relevance to a group whose purpose is to

discuss advaita. If you are really interested in such things, please

post to a more appropriate group.

 

Regards,

 

Moderators

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Namaste Sri Rakesh:

 

Please check the following discussion group who will help

you with your question.

 

vaideekam/

 

You can ask Sankalpam related questions and how to conduct Vedic

rituals in a foreign country by visiting the site:

 

http://www.ahobilam.com

 

Sankalpam is available at:

 

http://www.ahobilam.com/tharpana-sankalpam-06-07.htm

 

This list will not be able to provide you with any more details on your

questions.

 

With our warmest regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

 

> advaitin , " Rakesh " <raknath@> wrote:

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> > -Hey everyone am actually curious if u can relate all the dweepas to

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Namaste Sri Rama Chandranji

 

Thank you very much for the information, which is of immense value for a

person like me who stays out of India.

 

I have been watching the discussions going on in our Advaitins group for the

last six months and very much impressed with the amount of knowledge our

scholars have.

 

Sri Ram

Dr. Hari Krishna

 

 

 

Ram Chandran <ramvchandran wrote: Namaste Sri Rakesh:

 

Please check the following discussion group who will help

you with your question.

 

vaideekam/

 

You can ask Sankalpam related questions and how to conduct Vedic

rituals in a foreign country by visiting the site:

 

http://www.ahobilam.com

 

Sankalpam is available at:

 

http://www.ahobilam.com/tharpana-sankalpam-06-07.htm

 

This list will not be able to provide you with any more details on your

questions.

 

With our warmest regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

> advaitin , " Rakesh " <raknath@> wrote:

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> > -Hey everyone am actually curious if u can relate all the dweepas to

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Please don't be so harsh. I am sure that this could be the starting

makimng a sankalpam to study ans worship Shankara

 

advaitin , " advaitins " <advaitins wrote:

>

> advaitin , " Rakesh " raknath@ wrote:

> >

> > -Hey everyone am actually curious if u can relate all the dweepas to

> > actual continents as we know them, so I guess the answer can sort al

> > problems

> >

>

> Hi Rakesh,

>

> This question is of no relevance to a group whose purpose is to

> discuss advaita. If you are really interested in such things, please

> post to a more appropriate group.

>

> Regards,

>

> Moderators

>

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I am sure that the last thing Shankara would have wanted was to be

worshipped! Advaita is a philosophy whose purpose is to remove the ignorance

that obscures our true nature. That having been achieved, it is known that

there is only the Self and thou art That. In reality, there are no dvIpa-s

and nothing to worship.

 

Best wishes,

 

Dennis

 

 

 

 

advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf

Of Tenneti Sri Ram

24 March 2007 06:15

advaitin

Re: How to recite Sankalpam at Foreign country ?

 

 

 

 

Please don't be so harsh. I am sure that this could be the starting

makimng a sankalpam to study ans worship Shankara

 

advaitin@ <advaitin%40> s.com,

" advaitins " <advaitins wrote:

>

> advaitin@ <advaitin%40> s.com,

" Rakesh " raknath@ wrote:

> >

> > -Hey everyone am actually curious if u can relate all the dweepas to

> > actual continents as we know them, so I guess the answer can sort al

> > problems

> >

>

> Hi Rakesh,

>

> This question is of no relevance to a group whose purpose is to

> discuss advaita. If you are really interested in such things, please

> post to a more appropriate group.

>

> Regards,

>

> Moderators

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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advaitin , " Dennis Waite " <dwaite wrote:

>

> I am sure that the last thing Shankara would have wanted was to be

> worshipped! Advaita is a philosophy whose purpose is to remove the

ignorance

> that obscures our true nature. That having been achieved, it is

known that

> there is only the Self and thou art That. In reality, there are no

dvIpa-s

> and nothing to worship.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Dennis

 

Namaste Dennis,

 

Perhaps within the context of this group there may not be a

place for the discussion of certain specific types of religious

worship, (which types of worship may in themselves have

specific purposes other than the of gaining self-knowledge).

 

On the other hand, I'm not sure that all Vedantins

(and/or jnanis) would agree with you that there is

`nothing to worship.' Didn't Shankara himself, at

the end of his life, compose devotional bhajans to the Lord?

 

Ranjit Maharaj, although not a Vedantin per se,

was a great jnani, and he spent most of his time

performing devotional worship to his guru.

He once said, " What else is there to do after realization,

but worship? " He said not to do so was `ego.'

 

Jean Klein, another well-known jnani, once said,

" When you breathe in, it is a receiving. When

you breathe out, it is an offering. " From whom is

one receiving? To whom is one making the offering?

What might Jean have meant by that statement which

I myself heard him make?

 

Didn't Ramana Maharshi perform worship as well,

not for the attaining of an 'object,' but just

to do it in appreciation?

 

Swami Dayananda at his ashram in Pennsylvania has

a large murthi of Dakshinamurthy where puja is

performed several times a day.

 

Once, when Swami Dayananda was asked why he didn't

shave or cut his beard, he replied that many people

did puja to his picture, so he wanted to keep his

appearance the same.

 

Swamiji himself once told me that I should pray

for my parents. That prayer has an effect.

 

He also related this annecdote: That to deny the

existence of Ishwara is to eat the banana and

throw away the peel. Then if you throw the

peel on the ground, and forget about it, and then

while walking slip on the peel, the banana

itself will come out. So which is more real?

 

Worship, devotion, all of these things purify the

mind. To say that there is nothing to worship is

to deny the existence of Ishwara. To deny the

existence of Ishwara, (from what I have been

taught) is not Vedanta.

 

Prayer is a manasa karma, the only type of

mental activity which has a direct result on the

circumstances of our lives. And it also serves

to develop antahkarana suddhi (purity of mind),

which is necessary for gaining self-knowledge.

 

For us westerners, it often seem that we like to

deny Ishwara for some reason, (perhaps because

of own negative experiences within the culture

and religion which we were raised, and that is

understandable), so we want to go around

the Lord as it were. And sometimes embracing nondual

teachings IMO appears for many people to provide a type

of escape from the negavtive circumstances which have

shaped their lives.

 

To deny Ishwara, to deny worship, IMO, is

to remain a fragmented and unintegrated human

being.

 

While From the POV of Brahman my self is the self of the creation,

not to understand that I, from the level of the creation, as a

body/mind/sense organs individual, am a part to the whole,

is not integrated Knowledge. To accept Brahman, yet deny

the creation is to say that the creation is tucham (non-existent,

like the horn of a rabbit), not mithya (neither completely real,

nor completely non-existent), and it is not Vedanta (or at least

not what I have been taught.)

 

Many saints and sages have said, " You are the whole. "

We need to understand this teaching very well.

To understand and examine that every part of my own

person is full and complete, and correct in the scheme

of things, not just to dismiss it. Dismissing, neti,

neti, as a practice is okay and useful if properly

done. But we need to return to the creation

and to see, what really is all of this, if

not in its `essence' divine and worthy of worship.

 

Best wishes,

Durga

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advaitin , " Durga " <durgaji108 wrote:

>

> Perhaps within the context of this group there may not be a

> place for the discussion of certain specific types of religious

> worship, (which types of worship may in themselves have

> specific purposes other than the of gaining self-knowledge).

>

> On the other hand, I'm not sure that all Vedantins

> (and/or jnanis) would agree with you that there is

> `nothing to worship.' Didn't Shankara himself, at

> the end of his life, compose devotional bhajans to the Lord?

 

Namaste Durga-ji and all,

 

Yes. You are perfectly right. That there is nothing to worship may

be alright from an absolute advaita level, but just as we tend our

body so that it may be healthy tomorrow and allow us to pursue

whatever we want to pursue, so also we have got to worship the

Ishvara who lives in our heart as well as in all that is visible,

more so in the sanctified temples and holy places. And this worship

is the only way to purify our mind and without this purification we

won't even see the road to advaita.

 

PraNAms to all advaitins

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Dear Durga,

 

I have no disagreement with anything that you say. If you re-read my post,

what I said was that " IN REALITY, there are no dvIpa-s and nothing to

worship. " My original response to Rakesh-ji's post was that " this question

is of no relevance to a group whose purpose is to discuss advait

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5422/stime=1174751725/nc1=3848544/nc2=3848635/nc3=3848568> a (philosophy) "

and I still maintain that view.

 

Best wishes,

 

Dennis

 

 

 

 

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To dwell deep into Shankaras works is worshop.

 

 

advaitin , " Dennis Waite " <dwaite wrote:

>

> I am sure that the last thing Shankara would have wanted was to be

> worshipped! Advaita is a philosophy whose purpose is to remove the

ignorance

> that obscures our true nature. That having been achieved, it is known

that

> there is only the Self and thou art That. In reality, there are no

dvIpa-s

> and nothing to worship.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Dennis

>

>

>

>

> advaitin [advaitin ] On

Behalf

> Of Tenneti Sri Ram

> 24 March 2007 06:15

> advaitin

> Re: How to recite Sankalpam at Foreign country ?

>

>

>

>

> Please don't be so harsh. I am sure that this could be the starting

> makimng a sankalpam to study ans worship Shankara

>

> advaitin@ <advaitin%40> s.com,

> " advaitins " advaitins@ wrote:

> >

> > advaitin@ <advaitin%40>

s.com,

> " Rakesh " raknath@ wrote:

> > >

> > > -Hey everyone am actually curious if u can relate all the dweepas

to

> > > actual continents as we know them, so I guess the answer can sort

al

> > > problems

> > >

> >

> > Hi Rakesh,

> >

> > This question is of no relevance to a group whose purpose is to

> > discuss advaita. If you are really interested in such things, please

> > post to a more appropriate group.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Moderators

> >

>

 

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Dear Respected Moderator and Advaitins,

 

I couldn't understand what the learned (?) Tenneti Sri Ram (or Dennis ?, the

problem starts from the name of the member itsel !!f) writes. Does he say not to

follow what Adi Sankara has written down? Does he says not to worship God?

Does he mean not to do the daily rituals? Does he mean all these by saying that

(in reality ?) there is no dweepas, and nothing to worship. I think after

sometime, this learned member may say, there is no dvaita and no advaita, there

is no Adi Sankara and there is .....?

 

I think, in a nut shell, one gets the rite to discuss about Dvaita and Advaita

only after he has taken the journey towards Brahmam. It is our duty and a must

to do the 'Pitru karyams " , even if you are doing any thing else.. Even our Adi

Sankara, who made a new life to Advaita Sidhanta, (and made all of us to discuss

in so much details) went to Kaladi all the way from Sringeri to do the last

rites for his mother. He is the person, who wrote Ganesha Pancha Ratnam and

Subramanya Pujangam. He is the person who wrote Soundarya Lahari and Sivananda

Lahari. We received, Viveka Sudamani and Baja Givindam. from this same Loha

Guru. I request this learned member to understand the basics of anything before

replying to any one.

 

Every one says, if you recite something, you should know the meaning of it. If

you don't know the meaning, you can't get the full benefit of it. It doesn't

mean that, you need not recite mantras, if you don't know the meaning of them.

 

I appreciated the answers I received from some of the Advaitins, who wants to

help others. But, I request the moderator to take a strong action against this

particular member, for his ways of expression.

 

I request the moderator to look into this and put a full stop to this

discussion. Also, I request this too much learned (?) Advaitin Mr. Sree Sree

Tenneti Sri Ram (or Mr. Dennis ???) to apologize for his harsh statements, which

is not to the basic standard we Advaitins are keeping.

 

If not, I request through e-mail, to remove me from this mailing list, at

least I don't want to read the dirty statements from this particular member

(Tenneti Sri Ram or Dennis?????).

 

With Pranams and Prostrations to all the well mannered and qualified

Advaitins,

Dasanu Dasan

Dr. Hari

 

Tenneti Sri Ram <tensriram wrote:

 

To dwell deep into Shankaras works is worshop.

 

advaitin , " Dennis Waite " <dwaite wrote:

>

> I am sure that the last thing Shankara would have wanted was to be

> worshipped! Advaita is a philosophy whose purpose is to remove the

ignorance

> that obscures our true nature. That having been achieved, it is known

that

> there is only the Self and thou art That. In reality, there are no

dvIpa-s

> and nothing to worship.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Dennis

>

>

>

>

> advaitin [advaitin ] On

Behalf

> Of Tenneti Sri Ram

> 24 March 2007 06:15

> advaitin

> Re: How to recite Sankalpam at Foreign country ?

>

>

>

>

> Please don't be so harsh. I am sure that this could be the starting

> makimng a sankalpam to study ans worship Shankara

>

> advaitin@ <advaitin%40> s.com,

> " advaitins " advaitins@ wrote:

> >

> > advaitin@ <advaitin%40>

s.com,

> " Rakesh " raknath@ wrote:

> > >

> > > -Hey everyone am actually curious if u can relate all the dweepas

to

> > > actual continents as we know them, so I guess the answer can sort

al

> > > problems

> > >

> >

> > Hi Rakesh,

> >

> > This question is of no relevance to a group whose purpose is to

> > discuss advaita. If you are really interested in such things, please

> > post to a more appropriate group.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Moderators

> >

>

 

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Namaste to all,

according to Sri Shankara who is alive thro' prasthana traya bhaashyaas, many

places he has made very clear that there r two point of view to understand the

reality of the self. 1. vyavahaara drishti and 2. paramaartha drishti.

yes as per vyavahaara drishti one who has believed that he is an adhikaari , has

to perform the rituals according to shaastraas, do sankalpa by knowing the

meaning of the mantraas & in the end the jignaasu should add " vishEshENa

chittashuddhi dwArA AtmajnAna prAptyarTham aham .........karishyE " . this will

help the jignaasu to attain jnaananishTa yOgyata.

secondly , according to paramaartha drishti- no question, no answere, no

bandha, no moksha, etc....

moreover i am sure advaitin site is for all. Bhagavatpada Goudapada says-

" asparshayOgOvai nAma sarva satva sukhO hitaha | avivAdO aviruddhashcha

dEshitastam namAmyaham || " applicable for all jignAsus on the globe.

kindly don't curse anyone.

shubhamastu,

sanjeeva murthy.c.a.

-

Hari Ramakrishnan

advaitin

Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:03 AM

Re: Re: How to recite Sankalpam at Foreign country ?

 

 

 

Dear Respected Moderator and Advaitins,

 

I couldn't understand what the learned (?) Tenneti Sri Ram (or Dennis ?, the

problem starts from the name of the member itsel !!f) writes. Does he say not to

follow what Adi Sankara has written down? Does he says not to worship God? Does

he mean not to do the daily rituals? Does he mean all these by saying that (in

reality ?) there is no dweepas, and nothing to worship. I think after sometime,

this learned member may say, there is no dvaita and no advaita, there is no Adi

Sankara and there is .....?

 

I think, in a nut shell, one gets the rite to discuss about Dvaita and Advaita

only after he has taken the journey towards Brahmam. It is our duty and a must

to do the 'Pitru karyams " , even if you are doing any thing else.. Even our Adi

Sankara, who made a new life to Advaita Sidhanta, (and made all of us to discuss

in so much details) went to Kaladi all the way from Sringeri to do the last

rites for his mother. He is the person, who wrote Ganesha Pancha Ratnam and

Subramanya Pujangam. He is the person who wrote Soundarya Lahari and Sivananda

Lahari. We received, Viveka Sudamani and Baja Givindam. from this same Loha

Guru. I request this learned member to understand the basics of anything before

replying to any one.

 

Every one says, if you recite something, you should know the meaning of it. If

you don't know the meaning, you can't get the full benefit of it. It doesn't

mean that, you need not recite mantras, if you don't know the meaning of them.

 

I appreciated the answers I received from some of the Advaitins, who wants to

help others. But, I request the moderator to take a strong action against this

particular member, for his ways of expression.

 

I request the moderator to look into this and put a full stop to this

discussion. Also, I request this too much learned (?) Advaitin Mr. Sree Sree

Tenneti Sri Ram (or Mr. Dennis ???) to apologize for his harsh statements, which

is not to the basic standard we Advaitins are keeping.

 

If not, I request through e-mail, to remove me from this mailing list, at

least I don't want to read the dirty statements from this particular member

(Tenneti Sri Ram or Dennis?????).

 

With Pranams and Prostrations to all the well mannered and qualified

Advaitins,

Dasanu Dasan

Dr. Hari

 

Tenneti Sri Ram <tensriram wrote:

 

To dwell deep into Shankaras works is worshop.

 

advaitin , " Dennis Waite " <dwaite wrote:

>

> I am sure that the last thing Shankara would have wanted was to be

> worshipped! Advaita is a philosophy whose purpose is to remove the

ignorance

> that obscures our true nature. That having been achieved, it is known

that

> there is only the Self and thou art That. In reality, there are no

dvIpa-s

> and nothing to worship.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Dennis

>

>

>

>

> advaitin [advaitin ] On

Behalf

> Of Tenneti Sri Ram

> 24 March 2007 06:15

> advaitin

> Re: How to recite Sankalpam at Foreign country ?

>

>

>

>

> Please don't be so harsh. I am sure that this could be the starting

> makimng a sankalpam to study ans worship Shankara

>

> advaitin@ <advaitin%40> s.com,

> " advaitins " advaitins@ wrote:

> >

> > advaitin@ <advaitin%40>

s.com,

> " Rakesh " raknath@ wrote:

> > >

> > > -Hey everyone am actually curious if u can relate all the dweepas

to

> > > actual continents as we know them, so I guess the answer can sort

al

> > > problems

> > >

> >

> > Hi Rakesh,

> >

> > This question is of no relevance to a group whose purpose is to

> > discuss advaita. If you are really interested in such things, please

> > post to a more appropriate group.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Moderators

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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--The whole idea of me putting the question up was that we could just

share our views on the topic and finally culminate at the advaita

doctrine and how well it unifies the world at large, I am really sorry

if this is not what it conveyed and I personally feel that the more we

talk about the principles governing advaita the better we will

undrstand the same

Thanks and regards

Rakesh

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Dear Dr. Hari,

 

The topic was initiated by 'Tenneti Sri Ram' who was asking about relating

dvIpa-s to continents. This group is dedicated to discussing the philosophy

of Advaita as defined by Shankara. Since the world itself is recognised as

uncreated and mithyA, it seems superfluous and irrelevant to a discussion of

Advaita to ask about how this world is divided up now compared to how it was

divided up in the time of the Upanishads. This is not going to aid our

understanding of Advaita.

 

As I indicated to Durga-ji, my later response stated that 'IN REALITY there

are no dvIpa-s and nothing to worship'. And this is what I meant (and

Shankara would corroborate it). I never implied (nor would ever suggest)

that worship is of no value in the path of the seeker at the level of

vyavahAra. I would be grateful if you could clarify what, in anything, that

I said constitutes 'dirty statements' and I will immediately change my hat

and administer to myself a sound slap on the wrist. But I regret that I

cannot take responsibility for the way that members misread or misinterpret

what I say.

 

Best wishes,

 

Dennis (Chief moderator)

 

 

 

 

advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf

Of Hari Ramakrishnan

25 March 2007 06:34

advaitin

Re: Re: How to recite Sankalpam at Foreign country ?

 

 

..

 

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Dear Advaitin,

 

What ever it is. As I requested, Pl. put a full stop to this discussion, which

has nothing to do with Advaitia and our group. I'm very much satisfied with the

answers I received from Advaitins Ms. Durga Ji, Mr. Krishnamurthy Ji and Mr.

Venkat Ji.

 

Again, requesting you to stop discussion on this subject.

 

Thanks,

Dasanu Dasan

Hari

 

Dennis Waite <dwaite wrote:

Dear Dr. Hari,

 

The topic was initiated by 'Tenneti Sri Ram' who was asking about relating

dvIpa-s to continents. This group is dedicated to discussing the philosophy

of Advaita as defined by Shankara. Since the world itself is recognised as

uncreated and mithyA, it seems superfluous and irrelevant to a discussion of

Advaita to ask about how this world is divided up now compared to how it was

divided up in the time of the Upanishads. This is not going to aid our

understanding of Advaita.

 

As I indicated to Durga-ji, my later response stated that 'IN REALITY there

are no dvIpa-s and nothing to worship'. And this is what I meant (and

Shankara would corroborate it). I never implied (nor would ever suggest)

that worship is of no value in the path of the seeker at the level of

vyavahAra. I would be grateful if you could clarify what, in anything, that

I said constitutes 'dirty statements' and I will immediately change my hat

and administer to myself a sound slap on the wrist. But I regret that I

cannot take responsibility for the way that members misread or misinterpret

what I say.

 

Best wishes,

 

Dennis (Chief moderator)

 

 

 

 

advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf

Of Hari Ramakrishnan

25 March 2007 06:34

advaitin

Re: Re: How to recite Sankalpam at Foreign country ?

 

..

 

<http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=15939/grpspId=1705075991/msgId=3

5429/stime=1174800848/nc1=3848570/nc2=3848628/nc3=3848578>

 

 

 

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