Guest guest Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Dear Advaitins, I'm at China and I want to know how to recite Sankalpam here, at China: " Mamopatha samastha duritha skhayastwara sriparameswara prrethyartham subhe shobanae ... " after this how we should describe about the place as we recite this " swethawaraha kalpae jumbaudheweebe bharatha varshae paratha kande maerohoe... " I will be highly thankful if someone could help me. Hari Om. Dr. Hari Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 -Hey everyone am actually curious if u can relate all the dweepas to actual continents as we know them, so I guess the answer can sort al problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 advaitin , " Rakesh " <raknath wrote: > > -Hey everyone am actually curious if u can relate all the dweepas to > actual continents as we know them, so I guess the answer can sort al > problems > Hi Rakesh, This question is of no relevance to a group whose purpose is to discuss advaita. If you are really interested in such things, please post to a more appropriate group. Regards, Moderators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Namaste Sri Rakesh: Please check the following discussion group who will help you with your question. vaideekam/ You can ask Sankalpam related questions and how to conduct Vedic rituals in a foreign country by visiting the site: http://www.ahobilam.com Sankalpam is available at: http://www.ahobilam.com/tharpana-sankalpam-06-07.htm This list will not be able to provide you with any more details on your questions. With our warmest regards, Ram Chandran > advaitin , " Rakesh " <raknath@> wrote: > > > -Hey everyone am actually curious if u can relate all the dweepas to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 Namaste Sri Rama Chandranji Thank you very much for the information, which is of immense value for a person like me who stays out of India. I have been watching the discussions going on in our Advaitins group for the last six months and very much impressed with the amount of knowledge our scholars have. Sri Ram Dr. Hari Krishna Ram Chandran <ramvchandran wrote: Namaste Sri Rakesh: Please check the following discussion group who will help you with your question. vaideekam/ You can ask Sankalpam related questions and how to conduct Vedic rituals in a foreign country by visiting the site: http://www.ahobilam.com Sankalpam is available at: http://www.ahobilam.com/tharpana-sankalpam-06-07.htm This list will not be able to provide you with any more details on your questions. With our warmest regards, Ram Chandran > advaitin , " Rakesh " <raknath@> wrote: > > > -Hey everyone am actually curious if u can relate all the dweepas to Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 Please don't be so harsh. I am sure that this could be the starting makimng a sankalpam to study ans worship Shankara advaitin , " advaitins " <advaitins wrote: > > advaitin , " Rakesh " raknath@ wrote: > > > > -Hey everyone am actually curious if u can relate all the dweepas to > > actual continents as we know them, so I guess the answer can sort al > > problems > > > > Hi Rakesh, > > This question is of no relevance to a group whose purpose is to > discuss advaita. If you are really interested in such things, please > post to a more appropriate group. > > Regards, > > Moderators > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 I am sure that the last thing Shankara would have wanted was to be worshipped! Advaita is a philosophy whose purpose is to remove the ignorance that obscures our true nature. That having been achieved, it is known that there is only the Self and thou art That. In reality, there are no dvIpa-s and nothing to worship. Best wishes, Dennis advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf Of Tenneti Sri Ram 24 March 2007 06:15 advaitin Re: How to recite Sankalpam at Foreign country ? Please don't be so harsh. I am sure that this could be the starting makimng a sankalpam to study ans worship Shankara advaitin@ <advaitin%40> s.com, " advaitins " <advaitins wrote: > > advaitin@ <advaitin%40> s.com, " Rakesh " raknath@ wrote: > > > > -Hey everyone am actually curious if u can relate all the dweepas to > > actual continents as we know them, so I guess the answer can sort al > > problems > > > > Hi Rakesh, > > This question is of no relevance to a group whose purpose is to > discuss advaita. If you are really interested in such things, please > post to a more appropriate group. > > Regards, > > Moderators > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 advaitin , " Dennis Waite " <dwaite wrote: > > I am sure that the last thing Shankara would have wanted was to be > worshipped! Advaita is a philosophy whose purpose is to remove the ignorance > that obscures our true nature. That having been achieved, it is known that > there is only the Self and thou art That. In reality, there are no dvIpa-s > and nothing to worship. > > Best wishes, > > Dennis Namaste Dennis, Perhaps within the context of this group there may not be a place for the discussion of certain specific types of religious worship, (which types of worship may in themselves have specific purposes other than the of gaining self-knowledge). On the other hand, I'm not sure that all Vedantins (and/or jnanis) would agree with you that there is `nothing to worship.' Didn't Shankara himself, at the end of his life, compose devotional bhajans to the Lord? Ranjit Maharaj, although not a Vedantin per se, was a great jnani, and he spent most of his time performing devotional worship to his guru. He once said, " What else is there to do after realization, but worship? " He said not to do so was `ego.' Jean Klein, another well-known jnani, once said, " When you breathe in, it is a receiving. When you breathe out, it is an offering. " From whom is one receiving? To whom is one making the offering? What might Jean have meant by that statement which I myself heard him make? Didn't Ramana Maharshi perform worship as well, not for the attaining of an 'object,' but just to do it in appreciation? Swami Dayananda at his ashram in Pennsylvania has a large murthi of Dakshinamurthy where puja is performed several times a day. Once, when Swami Dayananda was asked why he didn't shave or cut his beard, he replied that many people did puja to his picture, so he wanted to keep his appearance the same. Swamiji himself once told me that I should pray for my parents. That prayer has an effect. He also related this annecdote: That to deny the existence of Ishwara is to eat the banana and throw away the peel. Then if you throw the peel on the ground, and forget about it, and then while walking slip on the peel, the banana itself will come out. So which is more real? Worship, devotion, all of these things purify the mind. To say that there is nothing to worship is to deny the existence of Ishwara. To deny the existence of Ishwara, (from what I have been taught) is not Vedanta. Prayer is a manasa karma, the only type of mental activity which has a direct result on the circumstances of our lives. And it also serves to develop antahkarana suddhi (purity of mind), which is necessary for gaining self-knowledge. For us westerners, it often seem that we like to deny Ishwara for some reason, (perhaps because of own negative experiences within the culture and religion which we were raised, and that is understandable), so we want to go around the Lord as it were. And sometimes embracing nondual teachings IMO appears for many people to provide a type of escape from the negavtive circumstances which have shaped their lives. To deny Ishwara, to deny worship, IMO, is to remain a fragmented and unintegrated human being. While From the POV of Brahman my self is the self of the creation, not to understand that I, from the level of the creation, as a body/mind/sense organs individual, am a part to the whole, is not integrated Knowledge. To accept Brahman, yet deny the creation is to say that the creation is tucham (non-existent, like the horn of a rabbit), not mithya (neither completely real, nor completely non-existent), and it is not Vedanta (or at least not what I have been taught.) Many saints and sages have said, " You are the whole. " We need to understand this teaching very well. To understand and examine that every part of my own person is full and complete, and correct in the scheme of things, not just to dismiss it. Dismissing, neti, neti, as a practice is okay and useful if properly done. But we need to return to the creation and to see, what really is all of this, if not in its `essence' divine and worthy of worship. Best wishes, Durga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 advaitin , " Durga " <durgaji108 wrote: > > Perhaps within the context of this group there may not be a > place for the discussion of certain specific types of religious > worship, (which types of worship may in themselves have > specific purposes other than the of gaining self-knowledge). > > On the other hand, I'm not sure that all Vedantins > (and/or jnanis) would agree with you that there is > `nothing to worship.' Didn't Shankara himself, at > the end of his life, compose devotional bhajans to the Lord? Namaste Durga-ji and all, Yes. You are perfectly right. That there is nothing to worship may be alright from an absolute advaita level, but just as we tend our body so that it may be healthy tomorrow and allow us to pursue whatever we want to pursue, so also we have got to worship the Ishvara who lives in our heart as well as in all that is visible, more so in the sanctified temples and holy places. And this worship is the only way to purify our mind and without this purification we won't even see the road to advaita. PraNAms to all advaitins profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 Dear Durga, I have no disagreement with anything that you say. If you re-read my post, what I said was that " IN REALITY, there are no dvIpa-s and nothing to worship. " My original response to Rakesh-ji's post was that " this question is of no relevance to a group whose purpose is to discuss advait <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=15939/grpspId=1705075991/msgId=3 5422/stime=1174751725/nc1=3848544/nc2=3848635/nc3=3848568> a (philosophy) " and I still maintain that view. Best wishes, Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 To dwell deep into Shankaras works is worshop. advaitin , " Dennis Waite " <dwaite wrote: > > I am sure that the last thing Shankara would have wanted was to be > worshipped! Advaita is a philosophy whose purpose is to remove the ignorance > that obscures our true nature. That having been achieved, it is known that > there is only the Self and thou art That. In reality, there are no dvIpa-s > and nothing to worship. > > Best wishes, > > Dennis > > > > > advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf > Of Tenneti Sri Ram > 24 March 2007 06:15 > advaitin > Re: How to recite Sankalpam at Foreign country ? > > > > > Please don't be so harsh. I am sure that this could be the starting > makimng a sankalpam to study ans worship Shankara > > advaitin@ <advaitin%40> s.com, > " advaitins " advaitins@ wrote: > > > > advaitin@ <advaitin%40> s.com, > " Rakesh " raknath@ wrote: > > > > > > -Hey everyone am actually curious if u can relate all the dweepas to > > > actual continents as we know them, so I guess the answer can sort al > > > problems > > > > > > > Hi Rakesh, > > > > This question is of no relevance to a group whose purpose is to > > discuss advaita. If you are really interested in such things, please > > post to a more appropriate group. > > > > Regards, > > > > Moderators > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Dear Respected Moderator and Advaitins, I couldn't understand what the learned (?) Tenneti Sri Ram (or Dennis ?, the problem starts from the name of the member itsel !!f) writes. Does he say not to follow what Adi Sankara has written down? Does he says not to worship God? Does he mean not to do the daily rituals? Does he mean all these by saying that (in reality ?) there is no dweepas, and nothing to worship. I think after sometime, this learned member may say, there is no dvaita and no advaita, there is no Adi Sankara and there is .....? I think, in a nut shell, one gets the rite to discuss about Dvaita and Advaita only after he has taken the journey towards Brahmam. It is our duty and a must to do the 'Pitru karyams " , even if you are doing any thing else.. Even our Adi Sankara, who made a new life to Advaita Sidhanta, (and made all of us to discuss in so much details) went to Kaladi all the way from Sringeri to do the last rites for his mother. He is the person, who wrote Ganesha Pancha Ratnam and Subramanya Pujangam. He is the person who wrote Soundarya Lahari and Sivananda Lahari. We received, Viveka Sudamani and Baja Givindam. from this same Loha Guru. I request this learned member to understand the basics of anything before replying to any one. Every one says, if you recite something, you should know the meaning of it. If you don't know the meaning, you can't get the full benefit of it. It doesn't mean that, you need not recite mantras, if you don't know the meaning of them. I appreciated the answers I received from some of the Advaitins, who wants to help others. But, I request the moderator to take a strong action against this particular member, for his ways of expression. I request the moderator to look into this and put a full stop to this discussion. Also, I request this too much learned (?) Advaitin Mr. Sree Sree Tenneti Sri Ram (or Mr. Dennis ???) to apologize for his harsh statements, which is not to the basic standard we Advaitins are keeping. If not, I request through e-mail, to remove me from this mailing list, at least I don't want to read the dirty statements from this particular member (Tenneti Sri Ram or Dennis?????). With Pranams and Prostrations to all the well mannered and qualified Advaitins, Dasanu Dasan Dr. Hari Tenneti Sri Ram <tensriram wrote: To dwell deep into Shankaras works is worshop. advaitin , " Dennis Waite " <dwaite wrote: > > I am sure that the last thing Shankara would have wanted was to be > worshipped! Advaita is a philosophy whose purpose is to remove the ignorance > that obscures our true nature. That having been achieved, it is known that > there is only the Self and thou art That. In reality, there are no dvIpa-s > and nothing to worship. > > Best wishes, > > Dennis > > > > > advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf > Of Tenneti Sri Ram > 24 March 2007 06:15 > advaitin > Re: How to recite Sankalpam at Foreign country ? > > > > > Please don't be so harsh. I am sure that this could be the starting > makimng a sankalpam to study ans worship Shankara > > advaitin@ <advaitin%40> s.com, > " advaitins " advaitins@ wrote: > > > > advaitin@ <advaitin%40> s.com, > " Rakesh " raknath@ wrote: > > > > > > -Hey everyone am actually curious if u can relate all the dweepas to > > > actual continents as we know them, so I guess the answer can sort al > > > problems > > > > > > > Hi Rakesh, > > > > This question is of no relevance to a group whose purpose is to > > discuss advaita. If you are really interested in such things, please > > post to a more appropriate group. > > > > Regards, > > > > Moderators > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Namaste to all, according to Sri Shankara who is alive thro' prasthana traya bhaashyaas, many places he has made very clear that there r two point of view to understand the reality of the self. 1. vyavahaara drishti and 2. paramaartha drishti. yes as per vyavahaara drishti one who has believed that he is an adhikaari , has to perform the rituals according to shaastraas, do sankalpa by knowing the meaning of the mantraas & in the end the jignaasu should add " vishEshENa chittashuddhi dwArA AtmajnAna prAptyarTham aham .........karishyE " . this will help the jignaasu to attain jnaananishTa yOgyata. secondly , according to paramaartha drishti- no question, no answere, no bandha, no moksha, etc.... moreover i am sure advaitin site is for all. Bhagavatpada Goudapada says- " asparshayOgOvai nAma sarva satva sukhO hitaha | avivAdO aviruddhashcha dEshitastam namAmyaham || " applicable for all jignAsus on the globe. kindly don't curse anyone. shubhamastu, sanjeeva murthy.c.a. - Hari Ramakrishnan advaitin Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:03 AM Re: Re: How to recite Sankalpam at Foreign country ? Dear Respected Moderator and Advaitins, I couldn't understand what the learned (?) Tenneti Sri Ram (or Dennis ?, the problem starts from the name of the member itsel !!f) writes. Does he say not to follow what Adi Sankara has written down? Does he says not to worship God? Does he mean not to do the daily rituals? Does he mean all these by saying that (in reality ?) there is no dweepas, and nothing to worship. I think after sometime, this learned member may say, there is no dvaita and no advaita, there is no Adi Sankara and there is .....? I think, in a nut shell, one gets the rite to discuss about Dvaita and Advaita only after he has taken the journey towards Brahmam. It is our duty and a must to do the 'Pitru karyams " , even if you are doing any thing else.. Even our Adi Sankara, who made a new life to Advaita Sidhanta, (and made all of us to discuss in so much details) went to Kaladi all the way from Sringeri to do the last rites for his mother. He is the person, who wrote Ganesha Pancha Ratnam and Subramanya Pujangam. He is the person who wrote Soundarya Lahari and Sivananda Lahari. We received, Viveka Sudamani and Baja Givindam. from this same Loha Guru. I request this learned member to understand the basics of anything before replying to any one. Every one says, if you recite something, you should know the meaning of it. If you don't know the meaning, you can't get the full benefit of it. It doesn't mean that, you need not recite mantras, if you don't know the meaning of them. I appreciated the answers I received from some of the Advaitins, who wants to help others. But, I request the moderator to take a strong action against this particular member, for his ways of expression. I request the moderator to look into this and put a full stop to this discussion. Also, I request this too much learned (?) Advaitin Mr. Sree Sree Tenneti Sri Ram (or Mr. Dennis ???) to apologize for his harsh statements, which is not to the basic standard we Advaitins are keeping. If not, I request through e-mail, to remove me from this mailing list, at least I don't want to read the dirty statements from this particular member (Tenneti Sri Ram or Dennis?????). With Pranams and Prostrations to all the well mannered and qualified Advaitins, Dasanu Dasan Dr. Hari Tenneti Sri Ram <tensriram wrote: To dwell deep into Shankaras works is worshop. advaitin , " Dennis Waite " <dwaite wrote: > > I am sure that the last thing Shankara would have wanted was to be > worshipped! Advaita is a philosophy whose purpose is to remove the ignorance > that obscures our true nature. That having been achieved, it is known that > there is only the Self and thou art That. In reality, there are no dvIpa-s > and nothing to worship. > > Best wishes, > > Dennis > > > > > advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf > Of Tenneti Sri Ram > 24 March 2007 06:15 > advaitin > Re: How to recite Sankalpam at Foreign country ? > > > > > Please don't be so harsh. I am sure that this could be the starting > makimng a sankalpam to study ans worship Shankara > > advaitin@ <advaitin%40> s.com, > " advaitins " advaitins@ wrote: > > > > advaitin@ <advaitin%40> s.com, > " Rakesh " raknath@ wrote: > > > > > > -Hey everyone am actually curious if u can relate all the dweepas to > > > actual continents as we know them, so I guess the answer can sort al > > > problems > > > > > > > Hi Rakesh, > > > > This question is of no relevance to a group whose purpose is to > > discuss advaita. If you are really interested in such things, please > > post to a more appropriate group. > > > > Regards, > > > > Moderators > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 --The whole idea of me putting the question up was that we could just share our views on the topic and finally culminate at the advaita doctrine and how well it unifies the world at large, I am really sorry if this is not what it conveyed and I personally feel that the more we talk about the principles governing advaita the better we will undrstand the same Thanks and regards Rakesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Dear Dr. Hari, The topic was initiated by 'Tenneti Sri Ram' who was asking about relating dvIpa-s to continents. This group is dedicated to discussing the philosophy of Advaita as defined by Shankara. Since the world itself is recognised as uncreated and mithyA, it seems superfluous and irrelevant to a discussion of Advaita to ask about how this world is divided up now compared to how it was divided up in the time of the Upanishads. This is not going to aid our understanding of Advaita. As I indicated to Durga-ji, my later response stated that 'IN REALITY there are no dvIpa-s and nothing to worship'. And this is what I meant (and Shankara would corroborate it). I never implied (nor would ever suggest) that worship is of no value in the path of the seeker at the level of vyavahAra. I would be grateful if you could clarify what, in anything, that I said constitutes 'dirty statements' and I will immediately change my hat and administer to myself a sound slap on the wrist. But I regret that I cannot take responsibility for the way that members misread or misinterpret what I say. Best wishes, Dennis (Chief moderator) advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf Of Hari Ramakrishnan 25 March 2007 06:34 advaitin Re: Re: How to recite Sankalpam at Foreign country ? .. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=15939/grpspId=1705075991/msgId=3 5429/stime=1174800848/nc1=3848570/nc2=3848628/nc3=3848578> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Dear Advaitin, What ever it is. As I requested, Pl. put a full stop to this discussion, which has nothing to do with Advaitia and our group. I'm very much satisfied with the answers I received from Advaitins Ms. Durga Ji, Mr. Krishnamurthy Ji and Mr. Venkat Ji. Again, requesting you to stop discussion on this subject. Thanks, Dasanu Dasan Hari Dennis Waite <dwaite wrote: Dear Dr. Hari, The topic was initiated by 'Tenneti Sri Ram' who was asking about relating dvIpa-s to continents. This group is dedicated to discussing the philosophy of Advaita as defined by Shankara. Since the world itself is recognised as uncreated and mithyA, it seems superfluous and irrelevant to a discussion of Advaita to ask about how this world is divided up now compared to how it was divided up in the time of the Upanishads. This is not going to aid our understanding of Advaita. As I indicated to Durga-ji, my later response stated that 'IN REALITY there are no dvIpa-s and nothing to worship'. And this is what I meant (and Shankara would corroborate it). I never implied (nor would ever suggest) that worship is of no value in the path of the seeker at the level of vyavahAra. I would be grateful if you could clarify what, in anything, that I said constitutes 'dirty statements' and I will immediately change my hat and administer to myself a sound slap on the wrist. But I regret that I cannot take responsibility for the way that members misread or misinterpret what I say. Best wishes, Dennis (Chief moderator) advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf Of Hari Ramakrishnan 25 March 2007 06:34 advaitin Re: Re: How to recite Sankalpam at Foreign country ? .. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=15939/grpspId=1705075991/msgId=3 5429/stime=1174800848/nc1=3848570/nc2=3848628/nc3=3848578> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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