Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 H.N.Sreenivasa Murthy Pranams to all. Respected members, The translations of the two quotations of Sri Shankara are from Swami Gabhirananda of Sri Ramakrishna mission . The English word 'Unembodiedness' does not convey the complete meaning and spirit of the Sanskrit word 'asaRIri'. The three vital points from Sri Shankara's quotations, quoted, are these: (a) aSarIratA hi AtmanaH svarUpam || (b) tasya svABAvikatvAt || There are two more points which have to be kept in order to cognize this fact. They are , (a) AtmA hi nAma svarUpam || and (b) nityavartamAnasvarUpatvAt || That means even when there is the appearance of BMI , I AM aSarIri. How can this fact be realized HERE AND NOW? . Do I have an experience which is common to all beings (sArvatrika pUrNAnuBava) where I exist even the absence of BMI? Does Tri-basic view of life help one to realize that one is asarIri? The learned members may please examine in this direction. With warm and respectful regards, Sreenivasa Murthy Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 sreenivasa murthy <narayana145 wrote: H.N.Sreenivasa Murthy Pranams to all. Respected members, The translations of the two quotations of Sri Shankara are from Swami Gabhirananda of Sri Ramakrishna mission . The English word 'Unembodiedness' does not convey the complete meaning and spirit of the Sanskrit word 'asaRIri'. The three vital points from Sri Shankara's quotations, quoted, are these: (a) aSarIratA hi AtmanaH svarUpam || (b) tasya svABAvikatvAt || There are two more points which have to be kept in order to cognize this fact. They are , (a) AtmA hi nAma svarUpam || and (b) nityavartamAnasvarUpatvAt || That means even when there is the appearance of BMI , I AM aSarIri. How can this fact be realized HERE AND NOW? . Do I have an experience which is common to all beings (sArvatrika pUrNAnuBava) where I exist even the absence of BMI? Does Tri-basic view of life help one to realize that one is asarIri? The learned members may please examine in this direction. Dear Murthy, The very first verse in ULLADU NARPATHU renders all these questions meanigless. Can the intellect which moves outside understand the implication of this? At best it will be an opportunity for it to survive. The understanding of oneself as the true Self, which is at once Being, is not in time through analysis. Any form of intellectual quest has to be arrested in its base, any perception, cognition, conceptualization, being fit to be negated as unmitigated illusions, capable of existing only in the unreal dualistic mind. with respectful regards Sankarraman The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 H.N.Sreenivasa Murthy advaitin , Ganesan Sankarraman <shnkaran wrote: > Dear Murthy, > The very first verse in ULLADU NARPATHU renders all these questions meanigless. Can the intellect which moves outside understand the implication of this? At best it will be an opportunity for it to survive. The understanding of oneself as the true Self, which is at once Being, is not in time through analysis. Any form of intellectual quest has to be arrested in its base, any perception, cognition, conceptualization, being fit to be negated as unmitigated illusions, capable of existing only in the unreal dualistic mind. Dear Sri Sankarraman, You have merely stated that " The very first verse in ULLADU NARPATHU renders all these questions meanigless " , but it has not been shown by you how the verse has rendered the questions meaingless? I request you to substantiate your statement based on facts. Those type of questions definitely arise in the minds of GENUINE seekers who take the journey in the path of the Upanishadic texts . My journey was through Upanishads and Sri Shankara'S commentaries only. Such questions arose in me. . As one Who is an ardent devotee of Sri Bhagavan, will you please explain and show actually the Truth of Sri Bhagavan's statement " THE SELF IS BODILESS . EVEN NOW IT IS SO . YOU ARE THE SELF " . Can anybody dismiss the statement as meaningless? For any genuine devotee of Sri Bhagavan, who is desirous of Self Knowledge, when comes across with such statements for the first time, naturally doubts/questions like " How am I the Self? How am I bodiless? " etc will arise and so he will go to one who knows and place before him all his doubts? With regards, Sreenivasa Murthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 > Dear Murthy, > The very first verse in ULLADU NARPATHU renders all these questions meanigless. Who is rendering it meaningless ? Intellect ? >Can the intellect which moves outside understand the implication of this? This analyzer is also the intellect. The reader of Bhagavan Raman's conversations is also intellect. > At best it will be an opportunity for it to survive. At best, dismissal of upanishadic statements is a contradictory notion. > The understanding of oneself as the true Self, which is at once Being, is not in time through analysis. Who is understanding oneself as the true Self ? Does the the Self require understanding of Self ? >>Any form of intellectual quest has to be arrested in its base, any perception, cognition, >>conceptualization, being fit to be negated as unmitigated illusions, capable of existing only in the unreal dualistic mind. All your negation and statements are intellectual and dualistic . Welcome to dualistic intellectual analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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