Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 In GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: GuruRatings , " Era Molnar " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > U.G. Krishnamurti, lovingly called UG by his friends and admirers all > over the world, is no more. The end came on 22 March 2007 at 2.30 pm > at the villa of his friend, in Vallecrosia, Italy. As per UG�s > advice, with no rituals or funeral rites, the cremation was carried > out by Mahesh Bhatt the next day at 2.45 pm, in Vallecrosia, Italy. > He was eighty-nine years old. UG is survived by his erstwhile family, > comprising his two daughters, Usha and Bharati, and their respective > families and his son, Kumar and his family. But his actual family is > much larger than that, extending over the entire globe and consisting > of numerous 'friends' to whom he has been closer than their own > families and indeed their own selves. > > .... > Namaste, He didn't pass he never was.........Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: In GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: GuruRatings , " Era Molnar " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > U.G. Krishnamurti, lovingly called UG by his friends and admirers all > over the world, is no more. The end came on 22 March 2007 at 2.30 pm > at the villa of his friend, in Vallecrosia, Italy. As per UG�s > advice, with no rituals or funeral rites, the cremation was carried > out by Mahesh Bhatt the next day at 2.45 pm, in Vallecrosia, Italy. > He was eighty-nine years old. UG is survived by his erstwhile family, > comprising his two daughters, Usha and Bharati, and their respective > families and his son, Kumar and his family. But his actual family is > much larger than that, extending over the entire globe and consisting > of numerous 'friends' to whom he has been closer than their own > families and indeed their own selves. > > .... > He didn't pass he never was.........Tony. Dear Tony, I am moved by your generosity to have referred to U.G in this site. I was worried that the moderators would not approve of reference to him as had been the case with the previous moderators who terribly criticized any reference to him. I have met U.G on three occasions and have had the good fortune of having had many exchanges with him. In spite of his apparent maverick way of functioning he was a gentleman to the core, having been well-versed in advaita. He used to refer to the visit of the swamy of Kanchi peetam to his house. He made frequent reference to the scriptures such as Pancadasi, Naiskamya siddhi, his encounter with Bhaghavan Ramana, his stay with Sivananda, his questioning the wisdom of J.Krishnamurthy. U.G did not give any talk. There used to be a small gathering in his house, around ten people, asking questions about his death experience. U.G. lived a life of total abandonment in London, sleeping in the Hyde Park, where the policemen used to take him in custody. A Senior Swamy of Ramakrishna Order knowing his stature was kind enough to accommodate him in the Ashram for the return of which U.G used to write articles on the magazine of the Order. Similarly, when he was in a very bad condition, the then President Servapalli Radhakrishnan rescued him by talking with the French Embassy to enable him to come back to India. He had been a student of the late T.M.P. Mahadevan, studying advaita under him. U.G asked Mahadevan whether he had realized the contents of Advaita. U.G abandoned the religious studies. J.Krishnamurthy, when he could dismiss any religious idea or system, could not tackle U.G, when he said the so-called unconscious which K talked about was a non-sense. K said that U.G might be free from the unconscious, but the majority of human kind were not. U.G was a perfect yogi. I was told by an elderly lady staying in Ramanashram that U.G would never harm the bugs and mosquitos which used to bite him making his body bleed. U.G never had any distinction of caste, creed, religion or any other distinction by way of status. U.G had gone to Nisargdatta at the instance of a friend of his, remaining quiet in the attic of Maharaj. Chapter 70 of I am that is devoted to the discussion of the strange mystic experience of U.G. AAAAsa.DAAa We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 advaitin , Ganesan Sankarraman <shnkaran wrote: > > > > Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: In GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > GuruRatings , " Era Molnar " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > U.G. Krishnamurti, lovingly called UG by his friends and admirers all > > over the world, is no more. The end came on 22 March 2007 at 2.30 pm > > at the villa of his friend, in Vallecrosia, Italy. As per UG�s > > advice, with no rituals or funeral rites, the cremation was carried > > out by Mahesh Bhatt the next day at 2.45 pm, in Vallecrosia, Italy. > > He was eighty-nine years old. UG is survived by his erstwhile family, > > comprising his two daughters, Usha and Bharati, and their respective > > families and his son, Kumar and his family. But his actual family is > > much larger than that, extending over the entire globe and consisting > > of numerous 'friends' to whom he has been closer than their own > > families and indeed their own selves. > > > > .... > > > > > He didn't pass he never was.........Tony. > Dear Tony, > I am moved by your generosity to have referred to U.G in this site. I was worried that the moderators would not approve of reference to him as had been the case with the previous moderators who terribly criticized any reference to him. I have met U.G on three occasions and have had the good fortune of having had many exchanges with him. In spite of his apparent maverick way of functioning he was a gentleman to the core, having been well-versed in advaita. He used to refer to the visit of the swamy of Kanchi peetam to his house. He made frequent reference to the scriptures such as Pancadasi, Naiskamya siddhi, his encounter with Bhaghavan Ramana, his stay with Sivananda, his questioning the wisdom of J.Krishnamurthy. U.G did not give any talk. There used to be a small gathering in his house, around ten people, asking questions about his death experience. U.G. lived a life of total abandonment in London, sleeping in the Hyde Park, where the policemen used Namaste GS-ji, Yes one of the main problems some people have with a philosophy is that the mind always tries to codify and turn it into some kind of religion of sorts. I think the only real way to approach advaita is to stop hanging on the lip service that Sankara paid to religions and superstitions, and just look at what he actually taught. Of course many cannot do this and their cultural upbringing or belief systems get in the way for a long time, for they are supportive and too comfortable or they are too early on the path.......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 advaitin , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: advaitin , Ganesan Sankarraman <shnkaran@> wrote: > > > > Tony OClery <aoclery@> wrote: In GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > GuruRatings , " Era Molnar " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > U.G. Krishnamurti, lovingly called UG by his friends and admirers all > > over the world, is no more. The end came on 22 March 2007 at 2.30 pm > > at the villa of his friend, in Vallecrosia, Italy. As per UG�s > > advice, with no rituals or funeral rites, the cremation was carried > > out by Mahesh Bhatt the next day at 2.45 pm, in Vallecrosia, Italy. > > He was eighty-nine years old. UG is survived by his erstwhile family, > > comprising his two daughters, Usha and Bharati, and their respective > > families and his son, Kumar and his family. But his actual family is > > much larger than that, extending over the entire globe and consisting > > of numerous 'friends' to whom he has been closer than their own > > families and indeed their own selves. > > > > .... > > > > > He didn't pass he never was.........Tony. > Dear Tony, > I am moved by your generosity to have referred to U.G in this site. I was worried that the moderators would not approve of reference to him as had been the case with the previous moderators who terribly criticized any reference to him. I have met U.G on three occasions and have had the good fortune of having had many exchanges with him. In spite of his apparent maverick way of functioning he was a gentleman to the core, having been well-versed in advaita. He used to refer to the visit of the swamy of Kanchi peetam to his house. He made frequent reference to the scriptures such as Pancadasi, Naiskamya siddhi, his encounter with Bhaghavan Ramana, his stay with Sivananda, his questioning the wisdom of J.Krishnamurthy. U.G did not give any talk. There used to be a small gathering in his house, around ten people, asking questions about his death experience. U.G. lived a life of total abandonment in London, sleeping in the Hyde Park, where the policemen used Namaste GS-ji, Yes one of the main problems some people have with a philosophy is that the mind always tries to codify and turn it into some kind of religion of sorts. I think the only real way to approach advaita is to stop hanging on the lip service that Sankara paid to religions and superstitions, and just look at what he actually taught. Of course many cannot do this and their cultural upbringing or belief systems get in the way for a long time, for they are supportive and too comfortable or they are too early on the path.......Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: --- In advaitin , Ganesan Sankarraman <shnkaran wrote: > > > Dear Tony, The reference to U.G. is in chapter 72 of ,'I am that,' and not chapter 70 as written earlier by me. But the reference has been made anonymous. Poonjaji has met both Nisargdatta and U.G.> yours truthfully Sankarraman Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Dear Sankararaman Avargale : i am not a fan of U.G. Krishnamurthy. But i am a fan of the bollywood movie star Praveen Babi ( THE BOLLYWOOD DIVA WHO COMMITTED SUICIDE IN 2005) who thought the world of U.G. Krishnamurthy, .irresistibly drawn to the man who said (in The Mystique Of Enlightenment : The Radical Ideas of UG Krishnamurti ): " The search ends with the realization that there is no such thing as enlightenment. By searching, you want to be free from the self, but whatever you are doing to free yourself from the self is the self. How can I make you understand this simple thing? " Something that Sri Anandaji wrote in his latest post caught my attention ( For example, the demon Ravana is sometimes described as a great bhakta (devotee) of Shri Ram. But Ravana's bhakti (devotion) is expressed in the form of dvesha (hate). Ravana is so consumed by hatred that he thinks more and more obsessively about Shri Ram as his enemy. Thus, by a progressively consuming hatred, Ravana's mind is filled more and more with the thought of Shri Ram. And this fixation gets so intense that Ravana gets paradoxically more and more immersed in the advaitic nature of Shri Ram.) And compare the above to what what U.G.kRISHNAMURTHY SAYS ... " Love and hate are not opposite ends of the same spectrum; they are one and the same thing. They are much closer than kissing cousins. " U.g. is no more .... the non-guru who had his own followers ... after all, the man did have some charisma . After reading U.g's biography , i am tempted to dedicate the following verses from William Blake to his memory ... Without Contraries is no progression. Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are necessary to Human existence. From these contraries spring what the religious call Good and Evil. Good is the passive that obeys reason. Evil is the active springing from energy. Good is Heaven. Evil is Hell. All Bibles or sacred codes, have been the causes of the following errors: 1. That Man has two real existing principles Viz: a Body and a Soul. 2. That Energy, called Evil, is alone from the Body, and that Reason, called Good, is alone from the Soul. 3. That God will torment Man in Eternity for following his Energies. But the following Contraries to these are True. 1. Man has no Body distinct from his Soul; for that called Body is a portion of Soul discerned by the five Senses, the chief inlets of Soul in this age. 2. Energy is the only life and is from the Body and Reason is the bound or outward circumference of Energy. 3. Energy is Eternal Delight. " - from The Marriage of Heaven and Hell ............................... advaitin , Ganesan Sankarraman <shnkaran wrote: > > > > Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: - -- In advaitin , Ganesan Sankarraman <shnkaran@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tony, > The reference to U.G. is in chapter 72 of ,'I am that,' and not chapter 70 as written earlier by me. But the reference has been made anonymous. Poonjaji has met both Nisargdatta and U.G.> > yours truthfully > Sankarraman > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 dhyanasaraswati <dhyanasaraswati wrote: Dear Sankararaman Avargale : i am not a fan of U.G. Krishnamurthy. But i am a fan of the bollywood movie star Praveen Babi ( THE BOLLYWOOD DIVA WHO COMMITTED SUICIDE IN 2005) who thought the world of U.G. Krishnamurthy, .irresistibly drawn to the man who said (in The Mystique Of Enlightenment : The Radical Ideas of UG Krishnamurti ): " The search ends with the realization that there is no such thing as enlightenment. By searching, you want to be free from the self, but whatever you are doing to free yourself from the self is the self. How can I make you understand this simple thing? " Something that Sri Anandaji wrote in his latest post caught my attention ( For example, the demon Ravana is sometimes described as a great bhakta (devotee) of Shri Ram. But Ravana's bhakti (devotion) is expressed in the form of dvesha (hate). Ravana is so consumed by hatred that he thinks more and more obsessively about Shri Ram as his enemy. Thus, by a progressively consuming hatred, Ravana's mind is filled more and more with the thought of Shri Ram. And this fixation gets so intense that Ravana gets paradoxically more and more immersed in the advaitic nature of Shri Ram.) And compare the above to what what U.G.kRISHNAMURTHY SAYS ... " Love and hate are not opposite ends of the same spectrum; they are one and the same thing. They are much closer than kissing cousins. " U.g. is no more .... the non-guru who had his own followers ... after all, the man did have some charisma . Madam, As far as I know Ravana had never been a baktha of Rama. He had been only a Siva-Baktha. The love referred to in the above quote is not above duality. U.G has referred to our love in terms of only a modified continuity of hatred, and not as the absolute one of transcending all the constructions of thought, psychological thought, which was branded as an enemy of oneself by U.G. The comparison of Ravana's hatred with the wisdom of U.G, I feel, is odious. Perhaps, I have not understood what Anandaji has written as I don't understand any of his posts. I also am not a fan of U.G, nor for that matter his namesake, the original Krishnamurthy who was not tutored in traditional scriptures unlike U.G. J.K was a born mystic, whereas U.G saw a little bit of life, but refused to be trapped into any of the systems. In that he is greater, as it were, than the original. Both the Krishnamurthies did not want the world to remember them. Krishnamurthy asked the question: " Can one lead a life, sirs, without leading a single foot prints in the sands of time, which U.G did? At least J.K gave some upadesa when he said at the time of his death, " Be still; don't make any efforts, " which U.G did not do, there having been no deliberation on him, which there was in the case of J.K. Both of them have affected the human consciousness. I listened to J.K for more than 20 years, not having understood a littel of what he talked, his mysticism of, " What is, choiceless awareness, psychological memory, attention, the dimension of the sacred, unreality of becoming, the unreality of the division of thought as the observer and the observed, the art of listening and learning, loneliness and aloneness, creation and invention, the absence of individuality in the stream of becoming, the fallacy of the individaul being reborn, the illusory individual by his error contributing to the stream of life, psychological thought being the base of individuality, thought not pertaining to any individual as a uinque entity, the true individual being indivisible, the mutation in the brain cells which completely destroys inattention, enlightenment not being an event in time or the merging in something by the individuality, the origin, " and a host of other things he talked from an original mind, not quoting a single sacred scripture or philosophical and metaphysical writings either of the East or the West. U.G in a very simple manner conveye all these things, not beiing interested even in the transformation of any individual. Both the Krishnamurthies are great in their own way as well as in their limitations. Both did not say that they were some special incarnations. Vinoba Bhave told Krishnamurthy that he was the real Krishna. E.V.Ramaswamy Nayakar, whose talks also I had attended as a college student, had an interview with J.K. Nayakar should have understood after the interview that the malady of division was attributable to some thing very fundamental ingrained in human consciousness- thought; and not mere brahminism of the acharyas. I don't find any distinction between J.K, U.G, Vallalar, Kannudai Vallal, Thayumanavar, Pattinathar, Sivavakkiyar, etc etc. Osho is wrong when he says that U.G is only a carbon copy of J.K. U.G is a highly original man. Sankarraman TV dinner still cooling? Check out " Tonight's Picks " on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 advaitin , " dhyanasaraswati " <dhyanasaraswati wrote: > > Dear Sankararaman Avargale : > > i am not a fan of U.G. Krishnamurthy. But i am a fan of the > bollywood movie star Praveen Babi ( THE BOLLYWOOD DIVA WHO COMMITTED > SUICIDE IN 2005) who thought the world of U.G. > Krishnamurthy, .irresistibly drawn to the man who said (in The > Mystique Of Enlightenment : The Radical Ideas of UG Krishnamurti ): > > " The search ends with the realization that there is no such thing as > enlightenment. By searching, you want to be free from the self, but > whatever you are doing to free yourself from the self is the self. > How can I make you understand this simple thing? " > > Something that Sri Anandaji wrote in his latest post caught my > attention > > ( For example, the demon Ravana is sometimes described as a great > bhakta (devotee) of Shri Ram. But Ravana's bhakti (devotion) is > expressed in the form of dvesha (hate). Ravana is so consumed by > hatred that he thinks more and more obsessively about Shri Ram as > his enemy. > > Thus, by a progressively consuming hatred, Ravana's mind is filled > more and more with the thought of Shri Ram. And this fixation gets > so intense that Ravana gets paradoxically more and more immersed in > the advaitic nature of Shri Ram.) > Namaste D et al, I was under the impression that Ravana was a devotee of Siva? Secondly one cannot be a fan of UG for he taught 'nothing'. Some time back somebody asked me was I reader of UG, apparently some of my statements were somewhat similar. I had only heard of JK at the time so I thought nothing else about it until recently, when UG 'disappeared'. Being a devotee of something within illusion ie Ravana, Siva and other concepts doesn't bring total moksha per se. It may bring the consciousness of the Brahmaloka, but it is still thought and all thought has to be dropped, for moksha. If you worship Saguna then you will achieve Saguna. Everything has to be dropped to achieve Nir Guna........... This is apparently similar to UG's teachings. I understand there is a prophylactic reason for religion and rituals, but they are of the neophyte really and are only useful at that level. Like a child repeating his times table in infants school. Eventually religions, beliefs, superstitions etc have to be dropped as ecoutrements and eventual impediments to the non thought state............Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 advaitin , Ganesan Sankarraman <shnkaran wrote: > > > > Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: advaitin , Ganesan Sankarraman <shnkaran@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tony, > The reference to U.G. is in chapter 72 of ,'I am that,' and not chapter 70 as written earlier by me. But the reference has been made anonymous. Poonjaji has met both Nisargdatta and U.G.> > yours truthfully > Sankarraman > Namaste Sankarraman, I re-read those chapters in my copy of 'I Am that', thank you for the hint. It seems again to me that eventually concepts, images and thought itself, are the impediment, like old shoes that were once useful and comfortable but wear out and have to be discarded...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 advaitin , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: advaitin , Ganesan Sankarraman <shnkaran@> wrote: > > > > Tony OClery <aoclery@> wrote: advaitin , Ganesan Sankarraman <shnkaran@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tony, > The reference to U.G. is in chapter 72 of ,'I am that,' and not chapter 70 as written earlier by me. But the reference has been made anonymous. Poonjaji has met both Nisargdatta and U.G.> > yours truthfully > Sankarraman > Namaste Sankarraman, I re-read those chapters in my copy of 'I Am that', thank you for the hint. It seems again to me that eventually concepts, images and thought itself, are the impediment, like old shoes that were once useful and comfortable but wear out and have to be discarded...Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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