Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Dear Sirs, I am a school going kid as compared to spiritual scholars like u.. and I take the liberty of a kid to ask questions.. and in school kids asking questions are considered to be studious.. I wanted to know... when we say a enlightened being or say siddha or say one who has realised the ultimate truth... does the world appears different to that person... I am confused because I have often come across things which proclaim that a realised being loves everyone and the whole world is like his own extension for him etc etc... so I was wondering if i actually know what are the final results.. I will more enthusiastic to run instead of walking on the spiritual path to know the ultimate truth... love all, sai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 advaitin , " sai9701 " <sai9701 wrote: > I am a school going kid as compared to spiritual scholars like u.. > and I take the liberty of a kid to ask questions.. and in school > kids asking questions are considered to be studious.. Namaste I am writing only because no one else did. Also, we all are Lord's kids only! > I wanted to know... when we say a enlightened being or say siddha > or say one who has realised the ultimate truth... does the world > appears different to that person... I don't know about enlightened being, but don't we all see the world differently? Actually, even the same world seems to appear differently to ourselves, depending upon our own moods and thoughts. When happy, a showering rain seems joyful and poetic with music and dance by the falling drops. And when unhappy, same rain seems like falling tears from dark, dreadful sky! May be this is exaggeration, but the point is I " see " same thing differently based on what is goes on inside, rather outside. We have little control of outside. But, what would happen if inside is always balanced, peaceful and serene ? That has been a gripping wonder for me so far. We know all great sages have an unbroken peace, undiminished serenity and unperturbed balance within themselves, all the time. Sri Ramana had only compassion, and no complaint even when operated without anesthesia or attacked by petty thieves. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was enraptured by mere listening to songs on Mother Kali, unconcerned of throat cancer afflicting him. Christ pleaded only for forgiveness for even those who crucified him, not withstanding the inhumane treatment meted out. A great Telugu poet Pothana, beautifully says in a verse spoken by Prahlada, that wherever I look, Lord, I find only Thee. In a parable I heard, the atheistic father had a huge writing displayed in his hall that read " GOD IS NO WHERE " . And then, he asked his devout son to read it. To the astonishment of the father and others, the son reads the same writing as " GOD IS NOW HERE " ! Just a little different way of looking! Hari OM! -Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Namaste Sri Sai: Sri Srinivas has already provided good insights to reconcile your doubts. I really liked the last paragraph which has profound meaning: advaitin , " Srinivas Nagulapalli " <srini_nagul wrote: > In a > parable I heard, the atheistic father had a huge writing displayed > in his hall that read " GOD IS NO WHERE " . And then, he asked his > devout son to read it. To the astonishment of the father and > others, the son reads the same writing as " GOD IS NOW HERE " ! > Just a little different way of looking! ============================================ Now let me get back to your question. Just for your information, the question that you have asked was also asked by Arjuna (the hero of Mahabhrat) to Lord Krishna. The entire dialog between Arjuna and Lord Krishna are explained in Chapter 2 of Mahabharat, verses 55 to 72. Please note that Arjuna is not a Kid and he had thee same doubt like you - this means that you are a scholl going seeker with full eager (thrust for knowledge) to get the wisdom. You can go to the following link to get the complete answer to your big doubt: http://www.advaitin.net/Sthita%20Prajna.htm Also you can read the following linke which provides the essence of Bhagavad Gita: http://www.advaitin.net/GitaEssence.htm As Sri Srinivas correctly points out, that how we look at the world depends on our 'attitude.' Persons with postive mental attitude looks at the world very optimistic and considers it as heaven. Those who are pessimistic look at the same world and believe that it is a Hell. The world is the same, and it never likely change and only we have to change, rather we have to change our attitude!. If we include others in the world as part of us. For example, we consider members of our own family as one and consequetnly, we are able to forgive and forget their errors. If we can treat the entire world as one-family, probably, our attitude will become more congenial and we will become more compassionate and kind to others. This is basically the essence of Vedanta - include everyone as you so that - the me in you see the you in me. With my warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin , " sai9701 " <sai9701 wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > > I am a school going kid as compared to spiritual scholars like u.. > and I take the liberty of a kid to ask questions.. and in school > kids asking questions are considered to be studious.. > > I wanted to know... when we say a enlightened being or say siddha or > say one who has realised the ultimate truth... does the world > appears different to that person... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Dear Sai, I do not know how old you are. I thought the following few words may be helpful: You said: >>I wanted to know... when we say a enlightened being or say siddha or say one who has realised the ultimate truth... does the world appears different to that person...<<< The world does not “appear” in any way different to an enlightened being or sidha. However, he is enlightened with the Truth pervading the world, his own self, others and Eswara itself. What is the use of knowing that Truth? Knowing that makes a very big difference. The sun appears to you moving from east to west everyday. What is the truth? You know the truth and the apparent movement of the sun does not affect you in any way. So, when one knows the Truth of the world itself, and also about he himself and Eswara, his total approach towards the world, Eswara and he himself changes. With all good wishes R. S. Mani Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Namaste all. I might only be adding to the big doubt. However, can't resist writing this. I can't say how an enlightened one 'views' the world, for I am not one. Yet, I think we can just begin with some examples. When I am a pedestrian on the roads, my body-sense rules my movements. When I am behind the wheel on the same roads, the sense of the size of the vehicle I am driving governs my actions. So, when I go universal, I should imagine I would 'behave' as the 'Whole'. That is what is implied by Ananda of Sat-Chit-Ananda, where I don't have to 'view' or 'behave' because both these verbs of action have validity only with reference to the existence of something other than me. With my current limited knowledge, I can't of course visualize the situation. Language might not be of any help for me to explain it when I self-realize. Perhaps, I might then find it a misadventure to attempt such futility. In terms of words, I can only dare say this much: I would then be in love with everything which is my real default nature. That is Unviersal Love, not in any way different from Sat-Chit-Ananda, where lover, love and beloved are fused into One. That is not a situation and we, self-proclaimed mortals, accustomed to sitautions can't fully visualize it. Or, why should we visualize it at all? The answer is in the Ramana smile. Just be. You already are. The question at whom Bhagwan smiled is immaterial to Him. For us, it is a big doubt. PraNAms. Madathil Nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Namaste All. My previous post # 35784 refers. How foolish I was to forget our jagadguru on the occasion of his birthday and attempt on my egotistic own to visualize the behaviour of an enlighted one! How an enlighted one 'acts' is well-described by our Acharya in the gem called Kaupeena Panchakam. Let us all read it at the link below translated by none other than our respected Shri Ramachanderji: http://www.celextel.org/adisankara/kaupeenapanchakam.html Each word of the panchakam calls for years of reflection and meditation. PraNAms. Madathil Nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 sai9701 <sai9701 wrote: Dear Sirs, I am a school going kid as compared to spiritual scholars like u.. and I take the liberty of a kid to ask questions.. and in school kids asking questions are considered to be studious.. Dear friend, I am sure that the realized person, having understood the duality to be unreal, does not interfere with any goings- on of the world. That the realized should act in a particular way is only the conceptualization of the unrealized. J.Krishnamurti says that the scientific mind leaves a footprint in the sands of time, being concerned with the the world of measurement; whereas the religious mind, knowing the measurement to be unreal, does not leave any footprints in the sands of time. Both have their relevance, except that the world of time does not lead to the timeless, the timeless having no path, no goal, nor a purpose, being unlimited. It is like the flight of the eagle. Further, you can't give a distinguishing mark to the religious mind, that being beyond the realm of conceptualization. Even Vasishta says that a realized man cannot be identified by the outer signs, even though certain marks are mentioned in the scriptures, which are only by way of concession extended to the ignorant still believing in the reality of duality, confounding even the truth to be something to be achieved, being yet another self-perpetuating goal. I think the realized cannot behave in a way different from the unrealized, behavior etc flowing only from the mind, which has left far behind by the realized. with regards Sankarraman with regards Sankarraman Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Wow!Chinna Thambi Avargale : ( my own younger brother) Good Thinking. Keep sharing your views. May i share this with you ? Shogen asked: `Why does the enlightened man not stand on his feet and explain himself?' And he also said: `It is not necessary for Speech to come from the tongue.' Smile! Here is a small anecdote from the Ramayana ! Read and enjoy! Enlightened man will not hate wrong-doer A man chased by a tiger climbed up a tree, but to his horror, found a bear there. When the former asked the bear to push him down, as he was their common enemy, the latter demurred saying that he had taken shelter with it. When the bear fell asleep, the man, egged on by the tiger, tried to push the bear down, though it woke up in time. Now the tiger demanded the man as he had proved to be a traitor. ``He had trusted me and if he had done a wrong, God will punish him,'' the bear said. This story, reminding us that none is free from transgression, was cited by no less a person than the Divine Mother, Sita, when Anjaneya suggested to Her, after She was free to act, that the demoness- guards posted around Her by Ravana, while She was kept in custody, be knocked down as they had tortured Her during the dark days. The wonderful reply of Sita was that these women were then in Ravana's service and they had only loyally carried out his commands. Why should one show his rage against them because they were not to be blamed? By nature the members of the demon race are sadistic. ``It is up to us to excuse their aberration. Pious people show utmost consideration and mercy to sinners.'' http://rwww.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2000/04/08/stories/10080906.htm So , to answer you question , Sai-ji , an enlightened person does not keep scores . He/she is most forgiving. He /she is compassionate. He/she does not fear anyone or anything - He /she is secure . Above all , he he/she has no false ego. When you see or hear one , you will know! SONEONE MENTIONED rAMANA BHAGWAN !HIS EYES SAYS IT ALL - the power of Jnana Dristi! Bhatrihari , the famous pholosopher- poet says in his Niti Shatakam There are four kinds of people:] (1) " Good people " who help others without caring for their own welfare, (2) " Common people " who help others so long as it doesn't hurt their own self-interest, (3) " Demonic people " who destroy others' welfare for their selfish interest, and (4) those who destroy others' welfare for no reason whatsoever—I don't know what name they should be given! But wo says you are a kid and others are all great spiritual scholars ! From the mouths of babes , great Truths come ! My one month granddaughter teaches me the virtues of Tolerance and Patience and unconditional love! with love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 I think the main question was ' does the world appears different to that person... ' How it appears to a realised person could not be answered by unrealised. It could be only from the mind and what one read or heard. From what one read it could be like this- To the realised the world appear as it would to any unrealised. But the realised is firmly established with the truth that what appears to Him as different is nothing but Brahaman in different forms. But for the unrealised it is only theory till realisation. podury On 4/26/07, sai9701 <sai9701 wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > > I am a school going kid as compared to spiritual scholars like u.. > and I take the liberty of a kid to ask questions.. and in school > kids asking questions are considered to be studious.. > > I wanted to know... when we say a enlightened being or say siddha or > say one who has realised the ultimate truth... does the world > appears different to that person... > > I am confused because I have often come across things which proclaim > that a realised being loves everyone and the whole world is like his > own extension for him etc etc... > > so I was wondering if i actually know what are the final results.. I > will more enthusiastic to run instead of walking on the spiritual > path to know the ultimate truth... > > love all, > > sai. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Well, if you all are looking for a an enlightened response(big smile) to this 'big doubt' raised by our beloved member Sa-ji , here are two verses from Forty Verses on Reality by none other than our most beloved of all Saints Sri Sri Ramana Bhagwan .... To those who have not realized the Self, as well as to those who have, the word 'I' refers to the body, but with this difference, that for those who have not realized, the 'I' is confined to the body whereas for those who have realized the Self within the body the 'I' shines as the limitless Self. (verse 17) And To those who have not realized (the Self) as well as to those who have the world is real. But to those who have not realized, Truth is adapted to the measure of the world, whereas to those that have, Truth shines as the Formless Perfection, and as the Substratum of the world. This is all the difference between them. ( verse 18) This is serious stuff ! Hard to digest , is it not ? But we have living proof of such self-realized souls who are still 'alive' through their teachings ... Although Sri Ramana bhagwan is not physically prsent among us , he Shines as the 'unmanisfested' Sat in our hearts - Our Atma Guru! Salutations to the lotus feet of one the greatest sages of our times ! Sri Ramanarpanamastu! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Ram Chandran <ramvchandran wrote: > In a > parable I heard, the atheistic father had a huge writing displayed > in his hall that read " GOD IS NOWHERE " . And then, he asked his > devout son to read it. To the astonishment of the father and > others, the son reads the same writing as " GOD IS NOW HERE " ! > Just a little different way of looking! Dear Sir, Even the idea that " GOD IS NOWHERE " . is hundred percent correct, calling the bluff to the idea that It is a created phenomenal object to be categorized, classified and pigeon-holed by the mind seeking some curious shell. Let us not look askance at it, wanting to interpret it in terms of personal predilections. The father is equally correct. It is a different matter that both the father and son may not have clearly understood what they are talking about, except that they are repeating what they have heard it and repeating it second-hand. Pessimism , optimism, positive thinking, negations-all these things are only mind-begotten, the one not being superior or inferior to the other. Is it not that the Self is neither existence nor non-existence, neither both, nor even the negation of both. with respectful regards Sankarraman============= Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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